Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Anoop » 21 Jul 2018 06:26

There are 34 Divs in the IA and 37 Ind Bdes. Assuming ea ch Div has an average of 3 Bdes, that is a total of 139 Bdes that need to be commanded by a Brigadier. Add to this the appointment of Brigadiers as Dy GOC of 34 Divs and as BGS of 14 Corps and 7 Commands, it comes to a total of 194. This does not include other arms like ASC, AOC and AMC, AEduC etc. According to one article in the Indian Express from 2008, the promotion board promoted 110 Colonels to Brigadiers. That is approximately half the number we counted. Of course, the tenure in these appointments could be for 2 to 3 years each and many will hold at least a couple of appointments in the same rank, so that is approximately 4 to 6 years in that rank before either promotion or retirement.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Rahul M » 22 Jul 2018 00:05

each div would have an arty Bde too ?

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby wig » 22 Jul 2018 09:59

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/sunda ... 24556.html


Airing grievances: Keep the chain of command intact -Army Chief Gen Bipin Rawat’s reachout to jawans through WhatsApp has eroded the long-established norms. the author is an officer who retired in the rank of Brigadier. he has written an informative and thought provoking article with examples of his experience at different levels in our Army
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In short, the existing grievance redressal system has worked well for three odd decades. The system exists in all Army units — combat arms, support arms or services. However, its systematic enforcement is more effective in Combat Arms and Support Arms. This is borne out by empirical data on the grievance correspondence initiated from the Services.
Army Chief General Bipin Rawat’s reachout to jawans through WhatsApp has eroded the long-established norms. He has launched a WhatsApp number through which any soldier can post his/her grievances. This practice will undermine the existing chain of command that is critical in operations. The announcement has also fanned an anti-officer sentiment. I think this will prove disastrous for the command and control structure and challenge the future leadership.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Karan M » 22 Jul 2018 15:36

The Tribune finds new ways to run down every positive move by the current NDA. No surprise here.
The author gives a handful of basic incidents and then uses it to draw a picture if all is ok. If that were the case, why did Gen Rawat institute his outreach.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby ShauryaT » 23 Jul 2018 00:03

x-post.
Army will be without arms…if it doesn’t revert to Five-year colour service - Bharat Karnad
Figures don’t lie. The payroll expenses and the pensions and the post-retirement sustenance costs (besides pensions, access to canteen and health services for life) are barreling out of control, taking an ever bigger chunk of the exchequer. Based on the truncated one rank, one pension (OROP) accepted by the BJP government with equalization every five years (instead of every two years as suggested by the ex-servicemen’s organizations), the financial subvention for the human resources (HR) category (roughly the defence budget on revenue account + the pensions budget (with 2013 used as base year for one rank, one pension calculations) will hit the country . The scale of outgo on this account will become apparent in its totality when the 2019-20 budget is presented. But even without accounting for the OROP tsunami, the numbers are absolutely stunning. Consider the budgetary figures:

(Source: Laxman Behera, “”Defence Expenditure 2018-19”, https://idsa.in/issuebrief/defence-budg ... era-020218 )

The HR outgo for the army in 2018-19 of Rs 2,94,176 crores almost equals the total defence budget and, at the present rate of growth will, by next year, exceed it by a furlong. (For simplification of analysis purposes, the military’s pensions and revenue budgets are not here disaggregated but lumped in with the navy’s and air force’s, also because the manpower of the smaller services are dwarfed by the army’s; compared to ‘army’s strength of 1.3 million, the air force is 140,000-strong, and navy 100,000-strong.)

With 5-yearly automatic escalator plugged in, the defence budget will, quite literally be uncontrolled or uncontrollable by the Finance Ministry (as evidenced in the 23% growth on the pensions spend in just one year), even as capital/force modernization plans will have to be sporadically funded — as is already the case now but for reasons principally of absence of inter se prioritisation — or shelved altogether because there will not be enough resources available for them. But the separation of pensions and defence budgets is a bare-faced device to divert attention and soften — on paper — the fiscal impact, because the source of the funding of all these streams is the same — the tax payer’s pocket. If one were to include the 7 paramilitary organizations in totaling the cost in terms of maintenance and pensions, the figure will be altogether humungous. As it is HR upkeep costs are crowding out the outlays for hardware procurement.

The burgeoning problem has finally attracted the government’s attention. Except, the Modi regime has resorted to controversial steps by the Ministry of Defence — covered under the rubric of the civilization of some 752 cantonment territorial parcels and military lands all over the country –as a means of drastically cutting the expenditure in upkeeping these vast tracts of land and landed-property owned by by the MOD and hitherto set aside for exclusive armed services’ use. This solution has already riled the military and increased the sources of tension between the military and civilians sections of society, and doesn’t address the fundamental problem of the government’s financial support for the military being skewed by the mounting HR expenses. The army has also proposed other means, such as eliminating the one-star Brigadier rank and equivalent from the military. Yes, but the savings will be minimal in payroll and pension costs in any case, but will sow a lot of confusion in the interface between time-grade promoted officers (to the Lieutenant Colonel rank) and colonels destined for higher ranks by selection. And, in any case, how will this new system jell considering an army brigade is the fighting unit by choice of the army — anything smaller being sub-optimal and anything bigger unwieldy?

Oh, sure, there are other decisions the Modi government can take expeditiously to streamline, rationalize, and drastically reduce defence expenditure by, for instance, integrating the training and logistics components of the army, air force and navy into integrated Training and Logistics Commands under MOD (to avoid triplication of these capabilities and of funding), which will save a whole lot of money. But anything integrated is shunned by the military and however desirable will not be obtainedwitness the state in which the realization of Chief of Defence Staff system has been provisionally vetoed by IAF. So the economies available by these means won’t happen, especially as Prime Minister Narendra Modi, while happily seeking votes from the large, country-wide, military Family for his OROP decision, has shown he lacks the political will to impose structurally and organizationally re-engineered systems for the bureaucracy and armed services to operate in.

So the only way out seems to be to rejig the manpower-heavy army’s strength without hurting its war-fighting capability. An obvious solution comes to mind that older generation officers may be partial to: Why not revert to the old seven year colour (frontline regimental) service standard for the army? It will have cascading benefits to the country, besides relieving the stress on the state treasury.

India’s population is some 1,281,935,911; of the available youthful available manpower of 616 million, 489.6 million are “fit for service” with 22.9 million annually reaching military service age of 18 years. The entrant-level jawan will have to be unmarried and with a high school-leaving certificate. The five year colour service norm will mean a year for training and battle inoculation and four years active service, at the end of which an unmarried jawan cohort will pass out of service, still young but now experienced — some of them armed with marketable technical skills in telecommunications, machinery servicing and maintenance, etc. , and each equipped also with a fat remuneration package of couple of crores of rupees paid up-front, lump-sum, to ease their passage back into civilian life and with the financial wherewithal to find their way in the world in second careers lasting a lifetime.

The gains will be numerous, among them (1) a growingly disciplined citizenry, with the ex-armymen in the van, (2) a younger, physically stronger, more lithe and agile army, that will more readily be deployable in challenging tasks and expeditionary missions, etc. (3) a younger armed forces reserve for call-up in national emergencies, (4) drastic reductions in the spend on pensions.

At present the army is in the worst possible situation in every respect. With the 17-year colour service norm, the average trooper is in his 30s by the time of his release — too young to live a pensioned life, but too old to start out on a new career and to lift himself further. The country has then to pay him for the rest of his life — for the next some 40 years, and his survivors for the rest of their lives, completely skewing the defence budget. Worse, it radically limits the resources the nation can make available for national security generally, but more importantly, in keeping the army and the other armed forces continually modernized and technologically updated.

The country, moreover, will not have to “double dip” by having government-owned banks give loans to the young for their entreprenurial ventures — as Modi boasted in Parliament in last Friday’s vote of no confidence. The jawan graduating with 5-year’s military service behind him will be well-equipped financially and age-wise to make it on his own.

If the paramilitary organizations were subjected to similar five or seven year frontline service norms, more Indian youth will be recycled and a huge dent made as regards unemployed or under-employed youth currently clogging up the economy — the country’s most severe existential threat.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Bishwa » 23 Jul 2018 08:09

Anoop wrote:There are 34 Divs in the IA and 37 Ind Bdes. Assuming ea ch Div has an average of 3 Bdes, that is a total of 139 Bdes that need to be commanded by a Brigadier. Add to this the appointment of Brigadiers as Dy GOC of 34 Divs and as BGS of 14 Corps and 7 Commands, it comes to a total of 194. This does not include other arms like ASC, AOC and AMC, AEduC etc. According to one article in the Indian Express from 2008, the promotion board promoted 110 Colonels to Brigadiers. That is approximately half the number we counted. Of course, the tenure in these appointments could be for 2 to 3 years each and many will hold at least a couple of appointments in the same rank, so that is approximately 4 to 6 years in that rank before either promotion or retirement.


How about the Rashtriya Rifles and Assam Rifles? A sector is commanded by a Brigadier and a Force may have a Dy GOC who is a Brigadier.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Anoop » 23 Jul 2018 23:18

Rahul, Bishwa

Yes, I didn't include either of those, so the number of spots wiuld increase.

What do you all think of the numbers quoted in the article by Bharat Karnad? Scary situation.. What is the opinion on the suggested remedy?

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby pankajs » 24 Jul 2018 17:06

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ ... 488972.ece
Army to get artillery guns from September

From September, the Army will be inducting two types of artillery guns into its arsenal. These will be the first induction of heavy artillery since the Swedish Bofors guns imported in the 1980s.

The Army will start taking delivery of the K9 Vajra-T tracked self-propelled artillery guns from South Korea in September and the first regiment of 18 guns is expected to be ready by the third quarter of 2019. At the same time, it will also receive four M777 ultra-light howitzers from the U.S.

“The Army will get 10 guns this year from September. All the 100 guns will be delivered by November 2020,” a defence source said.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Aditya_V » 24 Jul 2018 19:06

I hope Dhaush is also getting inducted along with M46 upgrades, and lap of atags is ordered soon .

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby nam » 24 Jul 2018 20:14

The discussion around defense budget specially for IA will continue for a long time. The fact is given the terrain and two adversary will large professional army, we have to maintain a army of atleast 1 million. There is no two way about it .

There is no choice but to be more efficient with the budget. COIN should be majorly transferred to CPF. They can be augmented by retiring IA personnel with COIN experience. There can be argument, that IA will loose a great training tool, so I guess there has to be a balance, but bulk of the "mass" should be provided by CPF & State Police.

GoI should make it clear, majority of capital budget will go to Indian companies. Our tech capability has jumped the learning curve, so they should be able to provide 80-90% of the requirement. 10% can be allocated to gold platted imports.

We need have a well trained fluid reserve force, which can be used to play around with the standing numbers. 18 years old, drafted in the reserve force, get trained to fight and a lighter version of graduate degrees. They can leave at 22-23, with graduation and with skills for picking up other jobs. When need arises, they can be absorbed in the standing army.

Peace time task, which can be outsourced should be handed over to private companies.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby sanjaykumar » 25 Jul 2018 07:08

For some perspective. This community is asking for a regiment of their own.

http://www.atimes.com/article/eyes-and- ... -regiment/

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby ramana » 25 Jul 2018 07:15

sanjaykumar wrote:For some perspective. This community is asking for a regiment of their own.

http://www.atimes.com/article/eyes-and- ... -regiment/



They can ask but regional and community based regiments are not going to be raised.

Mahar was the last one during British rule.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby pankajs » 25 Jul 2018 17:23

Cross post

https://twitter.com/manupubby/status/10 ... 4151331840
Manu Pubby @manupubby

OFB has signed an MoU with @BAESystemsInc , USA for the 155mm Mounted Gun System required by Army HQ. Signed in August 2017 - MoS Defence Bhamre informs Lok Sabha.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Rahul M » 25 Jul 2018 20:12

ramana wrote:
sanjaykumar wrote:For some perspective. This community is asking for a regiment of their own.

http://www.atimes.com/article/eyes-and- ... -regiment/



They can ask but regional and community based regiments are not going to be raised.

Mahar was the last one during British rule.

ladakh scouts, Naga regiment, arunachal scouts. All raised after independence.

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Re: Indian Army: News & Discussion

Postby jaysimha » 27 Jul 2018 13:00

https://www.imrmedia.in/events/uploads/events/brochure/file/Brochure%20Air%20Defence%202018_Web.pdf
Air defence
India 2018
Silver Jublee International kumbh mela
Kothari Auditorium DRDO Bhawan New Delhi
26-27 July 2018

http://pib.nic.in/newsite/pmreleases.aspx?mincode=33

RRM inaugurates Air Defence India – 2018 Seminar

Raksha Rajya Mantri (RRM) Dr. Subhash Bhamre inaugurated a two-day Air Defence India – 2018 Seminar & Exhibition, organised by Centre for Joint Warfare Studies (CENJOWS), here today. Speaking on the occasion, Dr. Bhamre said the term ‘Air Defence’ implies defence operations but it is an important operational function which helps our Strike Corps to be offensive and the Air Force to act with impunity.

He said Air is a vital aspect of national security and is assuming increasing importance due to the emerging conventional and sub-conventional aerial threat. These threats have multiplied manifolds in the recent past and as the threat has amplified so has the Air Defence set up of the nation.

The RRM stated that in a relative short span of 70 years since Independence, Army Air Defence has witnessed phenomenal growth in its organisational structure and changes in its equipment profile. After its bifurcation from the artillery corps in 1994, the Corps of Army Air Defence has received the importance it deserves to grow and add the much required punch, he added. Dr. Bhamre congratulated the officers, men and women of the Army Air Defence Corps on the occasion of its Silver Jubilee year and urged them all to dedicate themselves to building a robust arm of the Army.

Amongst other senior officers, Chief of the Army Staff General Bipin Rawat and Director General Army Air Defence Lt Gen AP Singh were present at the function.

SRR/NAo/DK/Rajib


(Release ID :181118)

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Ashokk » 29 Jul 2018 02:46

Nirmala Sitharaman hands over 'Made in India' engines to Army
CHENNAI: Defence Minister Nirmala Sitharaman on Saturday formally handed over two types of indigenously built high-power multi-fuel engines to the Army.

The engines manufactured by the Engine Factory Avadi - a unit of Ordnance Factory Board, Department of Defence Production - were fully indigenised for the first time under the Centre's 'Make in India' programme.

"Earlier, we were importing some of the components for defence. Now, with these two engines produced by you, you have proved that the Army is self-reliant," she said at a function in the factory, 35 km from here.

The first engine of 1000 HP engine - V92S2 engine - powers T-90 Bhisma Tank, the second engine - V-46-6 engine - powers the T-72 Ajeya Tank and its variants are manufactured with '100 per cent Made in India' parts, officials said.

Earlier, local content of the two engines was up to 73 per cent, they said.

Sitharaman formally handed over the documents of the two types of engines to Vice Chief of Army Staff Devaraj Anbu.

The Engine Factory General Manager Anil Kumar has said the factory would be producing fully indigenised engines for the BMP-1 tank as well, Sitharaman said.

"You have made us proud," she added.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi has been encouraging the Make in India programme since there was a thought that products engaged in country's security need to be sourced locally, she said.

Though these engines were manufactured based on Russian design, India was depending on Moscow for its supply of critical assemblies like turbocharger, supercharger, fuel injection pumps, Defence (Production) Secretary Ajay Kumar said.

"By localizing the components for engine manufacturing, the country can save around Rs 800 crore for the next 10 years," he said.


Sitharaman appealed to the employees to produce products that are 'world class' so that such defence public sector undertakings need not await orders from the government, but can attract good business domestic and overseas.

The indigenisation effort also exhibits the self-reliance of the Ordnance Factory Board in manufacturing these engines in India without any import support, officials said.

The Engine Factory has manufactured more than 12,000 engines since its inception in 1987.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby krishna_krishna » 31 Jul 2018 05:04

https://www.ifp.co.in/page/items/50948/ ... M.facebook

Army abducted Lt. Col. Dharamvir (1st para sf) reveals all in affidavit to HC.

Rot runs really deep, need a big purge. Abduction of people for ransom ? All time low.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby rkhanna » 31 Jul 2018 10:48

^^ This after what happened to Col Shekhawat. Sad :(

IMO the Army/Paramils need to take a look at the culture that has been built into COIN ops over the past 20-30 years and it now needs a course correction.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Aditya_V » 31 Jul 2018 10:56

An army is a reflection of our society and it seems the corrupt system has gotten in here too. This will take time to root these people out.

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Postby Mukesh.Kumar » 31 Jul 2018 14:04

krishna_krishna wrote:https://www.ifp.co.in/page/items/50948/armys-systematic-custodial-murders-exposed-army-abducted-lt-col-dharamvir-reveals-all-in-affidavit-to-hc/#.W12BGASU2QM.facebook

Army abducted Lt. Col. Dharamvir (1st para sf) reveals all in affidavit to HC.

Rot runs really deep, need a big purge. Abduction of people for ransom ? All time low.


Needs to be Investigated. Article is slightly dodgy and Imphal Free Press seems to have an agenda of it's own. Would suspend belief till more details come out.

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Postby rkhanna » 31 Jul 2018 14:44

^^ You can google it. Story is in Asian Age and Indian Express as well.

Manipur HC has asked GOC 3 Corp to Produce the Col in Court. including his alledged Abductors a "Lieutenant Colonel Nanda and Major Rathod"

https://indianexpress.com/article/north ... h-5247442/

If i am not wrong even Col Shekhawat's allegations (and allegations against Gen Dalbir Singhs)were against the CISU? (dont know if same outfit in this case) -

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Mukesh.Kumar » 31 Jul 2018 17:06

rkhanna wrote:^^ You can google it. Story is in Asian Age and Indian Express as well.

Manipur HC has asked GOC 3 Corp to Produce the Col in Court. including his alledged Abductors a "Lieutenant Colonel Nanda and Major Rathod"

https://indianexpress.com/article/north ... h-5247442/

If i am not wrong even Col Shekhawat's allegations (and allegations against Gen Dalbir Singhs)were against the CISU? (dont know if same outfit in this case) -


Yes, googled this one too. It was against 3 CUSI.https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/i-have-been-systematically-vicitimised-says-army-s-most-decorated-officer/story-Q3X3groo0FzkjoJOTRRjbM.html

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Postby rkhanna » 31 Jul 2018 17:47

^^^ Thanks.

Looks like the alledged Rot in the unit has precedence set by previous Commanders. Almost looks like a systemic change in ethos of the 3 CISU. This is more than a simple " Army is a reflection of the population argument" and "shitte happens in the fog of war argument".

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

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Amazing Dance Performance by Indian Army's 14 Gorkha Regimental Centre Soldiers on Infantry Day


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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby ramana » 11 Aug 2018 01:23

More on the reorganization ideas

http://idrw.org/army-chief-cuts-red-tap ... ision-hqs/

I dont see how 14 corps will manage so many brigades without middle management.

One lesson Pakistan took from 1965 was they needed corps structure to manage the divisions.

So this would he a wrong move especially it's driven by the need for civil list parity.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby wig » 11 Aug 2018 08:51

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/natio ... 35702.html
excerpted from the article = Army note suggests doing away with ‘divisions’ in peace areas
An Army internal note on restructuring has suggested changes to make the force “leaner”. This includes doing away with around 20 divisional headquarters.
In all, the Army has around 40 divisional headquarters, headed by a Major General. Ideally about three divisions report to a Corp Commander, a Lieutenant General.
This does not mean the division—10,000 to 14,000 troops—will be abolished, it’s just that the division will not have a separate headquarters as it adds to costs.
The note also suggested that the divisions under three separate Strike corps, the Mountain Strike Corps, 3 Corps Dimapur, 4 Corps Tezpur, 15 Corps Srinagar , 16 Corps Nagrota and those dual tasked in 10 Corps Bathinda, 11 Corps Jalandhar shall function as usual.
The final decision on the issue will be taken by Army Chief General Bipin Rawat, which will need to be ratified by the Ministry of Defence. In areas where the division headquarters are abolished, the brigades that so far report to the Divisional Commander will report directly to the Corps and be called “task force”. The Corps headquarters will be beefed up to deal with the gap caused by doing away with the divisional headquarters.
Each divisional headquarters has at least 15 officers and around 100 jawans. The change will free them for deployment in operational areas. It will save on infrastructure costs and cut down red-tape, thus allowing for quicker decision-making.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Anoop » 12 Aug 2018 01:55

According to the article above, that is a saving of around 300 officers and 2000 jawans from abolishing the Div HQ in peace areas. Some of them will be reassigned to Corps HQ according to the article and I am guessing that the majority will go to operational areas to make up for the shortfall. What I don't understand is how the rotation policy will work now, because peace area deployment was earned after operational area deployment.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

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1 Kirti Chakra and 14 Shaurya Chakras for Army heroes this #IndependenceDayIndia. Three posthumous. Courage beyond.


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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

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Transformation of India's Infantry

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Postby wig » 31 Aug 2018 10:39

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/punja ... 45555.html
excerpts from the article on Lt Col Karanbir Singh Natt who lies comatose
Almost three years after suffering brain damage caused by a bullet injury during a counter-insurgency operation in Jammu and Kashmir’s Kupwara, Lt Col Karanbir Singh Natt lies quietly in room number 13 of the Officers’ Ward in Military Hospital, Jalandhar Cantonment.

Completely unresponsive, Lt Col Natt is fed home-made soup, juice and blended meals through a food pipe, while wife Navpreet Kaur and father Col Jagtar Singh Natt (retd) regularly play “gurbani” hymns

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Lt Col Natt last spoke to his wife on the morning of November 22, 2015. Hours later, a bullet smashed his lower jaw during a jungle operation with his two men.

Since he could not be airlifted till the next morning, he suffered hypoxia and cardiac arrests and went into coma. He opened his eyes nine days later, but hasn’t recognised his family, including two daughters — Guneet (13) and Ashmeet (4) — since.

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Postby chetak » 31 Aug 2018 14:45

krishna_krishna wrote:https://www.ifp.co.in/page/items/50948/armys-systematic-custodial-murders-exposed-army-abducted-lt-col-dharamvir-reveals-all-in-affidavit-to-hc/#.W12BGASU2QM.facebook

Army abducted Lt. Col. Dharamvir (1st para sf) reveals all in affidavit to HC.

Rot runs really deep, need a big purge. Abduction of people for ransom ? All time low.


enterprising methodology pioneered by mumbai's "encounter" specialists.

where there is a will, there is often a profitable way.

Besh!!

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Postby Austin » 01 Sep 2018 11:18

India, Pakistan Armies Dance Together On Bollywood Songs In Russia;


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Postby Vips » 01 Sep 2018 17:48

Where is the Puke Icon? This Russian/Chinese shenanigans to bring Napak and India together while ignoring India's strategic interests is right now the greatest threat to us.

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Postby Vips » 04 Sep 2018 21:59

Indian army finally gets 'eyes in the sky'; Indo-Israeli firm bags order.

With Cyient Solutions and Systems (CSS), announcing on Tuesday its first-ever sale of SpyLite mini unmanned aerial systems (mini-UAS) to the military, the Indian Army has begun acquiring the urgently needed surveillance capability of being able to look down at a combat zone from the sky.

In border flashpoints like Doklam, or in regular encounters with armed militants in Kashmir, the army has functioned without the essential ability to quickly put “eyes in the sky” to look beyond the nearest hill, or treeline, or clump of buildings. Instead, soldiers have had to wait for a helicopter to reach the site, or even longer for fighter reconnaissance missions or satellite photos.

Meanwhile, other major armies have inducted man-portable, mini-UAS (also called unmanned aerial vehicles, or UAVs) years ago. India inducted the Israeli Searcher and Heron UAVs in the early 2000s, but those are larger UAVs that operate from an airfield, not with forward infantry detachments. The navy is exploring the purchase of large, long-endurance Sea Guardian UAVs from the US. The Defence R&D Organisation (DRDO) is developing the indigenous Rustom UAV. But frontline infantry troops still do not have dedicated mini-UAVs that they can launch and use.

Late last year, the army floated a tender for 600 mini-UAVs for an estimated Rs 1,000 crore. With that tender having made scant headway, the Northern Command – which conducts counter-militant and counter-infiltration operations in Kashmir, in addition to guarding hundreds of kilometres of border with Pakistan and China – has gone in for SpyLite mini-UAVs under the “special financial powers” of the army commander.

CSS is a Hyderabad-based joint venture between Indian firm, Cyient, and the well-reputed Israeli defence firm, BlueBird Aero Systems. It was incorporated in April.

Neither the military, nor CSS is divulging how many SpyLite UASs the army has bought, or the price paid. NJ Joseph, who heads CSS, is willing to reveal only that this was a competitive procurement, and that the SpyLite was the only UAS that met all the army’s requirements and passed the demanding trials at altitudes above 5,000 metres.

“Taking off from very high altitude in extreme weather conditions, the SpyLite flew over the high mountainous landscape, performing all its missions successfully,” stated a CSS press release on Tuesday.

The SpyLite mini-UAS, which weighs just 9.5 kilogrammes, and its rail launcher is carried between two infantry soldiers. When an operation starts, and “look down” is needed, the local commander can launch a UAS within minutes. Its electric motor carries it to 3,000 feet above the surrounding terrain, from where a video camera and infra-red sensors beam back high-definition images in real time. The launching unit remotely controls the flying vehicle, as well as the sensors it carries. After a mission, which can last for up to four hours, the SpyLite flies back and lands using a parachute. If communication and control links get broken, the UAS has a “return home” facility that guides it back to where it was launched.

Just days ago, the army floated a request for information (RFI) for 75 mini RPAs (remotely piloted aircraft) that are specially configured for high altitudes. The RFI says a formal tender can be expected by April 2019. Meanwhile, seven Indian firms have responded to the tender for 600 mini-UAS that the army floated last year. However, as long as these procurements drag on, firms like CSS, which have a developed and tested UAS, could continue to address this urgent army requirement.

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Postby mody » 11 Sep 2018 16:38

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... PY7KL.html

The Indian Army is likely to cut over 150,000 troops over the next four to five years under an overarching cadre review that seeks to sharpen the force’s effectiveness and prepare it for future wars, two officers familiar with the move said on Sunday.
The cadre review, ordered on June 21, covers wide-ranging issues including cutting the personnel strength of the 1.2-million strong force and merger of different verticals to optimise its functioning, as reported by HT on August 13.
An 11-member panel, headed by the military secretary Lt Gen JS Sandhu, is carrying out the review and is expected to make its preliminary presentation to army chief General Bipin Rawat by the month-end before submitting its final report in November.
“Merging of some verticals and rationalising roles are likely to result in cutting 50,000 troops over the next two years. A reduction of 100,000 more personnel may be possible by 2022-23. But all this is in the study phase right now,” said one of the officials cited above.
The troop reduction is likely to be achieved through revamping different verticals including directorates at the army HQs, logistics units, communications establishments, repair facilities and other administrative and support areas, the second official said.
The cadre review order flagged concerns about how multiple verticals of the army had expanded over the years, despite technology infusion into the system.
“The line between verticals has got blurred, resulting in duplication of charters and associated manning. There is a definite case for reviewing the number of verticals with the aim of restructuring within the vertical as also merging where necessary/possible so as to arrive at economies of scale,” said the order, which has been seen by HT.
Drawing attention to the army’s archaic equipment and critical gaps in capabilities, former Northern commander Lieutenant General BS Jaswal (retd) said downsizing of combat forces has to be offset against induction of highly sophisticated technical equipment.
“As far as overlapping duties in logistics departments is concerned, there has to be a structured analysis to see if duplication in functioning can be streamlined into lesser number of modules,” Jaswal said.
“Theoretically, a lot of things may seem possible but you have to get into the realm of practical applications,” he added.
Apart from downsizing, the review covers an assessment of the army’s future needs, career progression of officers, deficiency of officers in units, career management of non-empanelled officers, provisions related to leaving service, and improving the efficiency and morale of officers.
The ongoing review is examining the possibility of abolishing the rank of brigadier to ensure smoother career progression and also contemplating replacing division headquarters with integrated brigades.
Revamping force levels to improve the army’s tooth-to-tail ratio -- the number of personnel (tail) required to support a combat soldier (tooth) -- has been a work in progress.
In August 2017, the government announced an extensive restructuring of the army to redeploy 57,000 soldiers in combat roles to sharpen the force’s fighting edge.
This was done following the recommendations made by the Shekatkar committee on enhancing the army’s combat potential and trimming its revenue expenditure.
The committee had listed out measures to bring down the budget for meeting day-to-day expenses and making more money available for weapons and equipment.

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Postby rsingh » 11 Sep 2018 18:19

Nepal's ouverture to China is not a good news for IA. China will send military advisers to Nepal right after exercises. Gurkhas serve in IA. How are we going to deal with situation? MEA, RAW or IB........are they sleeping?

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Postby kancha » 20 Sep 2018 20:13

Folks, shared some thoughts on the recent photograph that depicted own soldiers dragging the body of a dead terrorist. May have a look
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That brings us back to the topic at hand – the photo of the dead Paki being dragged by a rope. It is safe to assume that with a three decade long experience, the Indian Army would have created some drills and SOPs to keep its own casualties low.

Drills and SOPs that have been honed over the years at the cost of the lives of a LOT of fine men. As folks like @gauravcsawant have been literally shouting over the past few days, dragging a dead terrorist’s body is part of that SOP.

Hiding a grenade under your body as you breathe your last is a tactic which is well practiced by the loonies that have been streaming across the LoC. The latest loss to this tactic was Lt Col Niranjan Kumar, Shaurya Chakra, who died in the aftermath of the Pathankot Attack.


This outrage is more about the battle of perception, being fought on the social media. The photograph of the dead terrorist being dragged is just the latest tool that has been put to good use by the Pakis.

This is where own side messed up- allowed it to be clicked.

And then there were two types of argumentative Indians that jumped in – the well meaning and the ignorant. But in their own zeal, they’ve ended up feeding the Paki propaganda machinery, most of them unknowingly, and atleast some of them, intentionally.


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