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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Singha » 14 Jan 2019 19:05

Anyone know the size of these brd? Must be huge

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Postby JayS » 14 Jan 2019 20:28

Singha wrote:Major shake-up in Army’s repair echelons this year
https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/natio ... 12817.html


Good move on reducing non-core activities. Until now I did not know that IA also had Farms...! They are closing down that entire department.

I am of the opinion that even the IAF BRDs should be disbanded and work be handed over to civilians. These are non-core activities for the AFs. They can be done in much more cost effective manner in civilian space. Only the day-to-day maintenance activities be kept in-house. Instead the AFs should focus on developing some high level technical capability through dedicated engineering cadre on design and program management side which could enable them to demand ownership of desi programs and to effectively manage them.

In Ben Rich's book, he has mentioned some of LM's experience with UASF in this context. I think this is applicable in Indian context as well to some extent. They have seen that the efficacy of civilians handling the repairs and overhauls is much better mainly because - the civilian technicians and engineers keep working in the same field for almost full life time and accumulate significantly better hands on experience than the AF personnel who tend to move around in the organization quite a bit spending much less time at specific technical activities.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Singha » 14 Jan 2019 20:45

what do people think of the FAST helmet that all youtube paintball commando fanbois claim is the ultimate because SEALS use it? that mania probably started after 0-dark-30

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my opinion is very poor, as i feel it just opens the whole side of head for more artillery fragments in the field and grenade fragments in room by room fighting. better to cover as much of the head as possible I feel.

and some fanbois claim yindu with 2 tube nvg no match for tall wheat eaters with export controller 4 tube nvg, again from 0-dark-30 :mrgreen:

i have muh doubts on nvg use also since every solid terrorist is packing HE and flash bang grenades these days inside undies courtesy SSG stocks and "Daura-e-khas" trainings.

methinks we ought to provide our teams with heavier "satchel charges" which can bring down houses and more CG/Shipon weapons, lots of them. just crush these bugs using heavier standoff firepower if possible.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby souravB » 14 Jan 2019 20:54

^^these are tactical helmets for very specific use cases, not for vanilla infantry. The ears are open to accommodate communication devices or in case of tank or aircraft operators communication/noise cancelling device.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby JayS » 14 Jan 2019 21:06

Singha wrote:what do people think of the FAST helmet that all youtube paintball commando fanbois claim is the ultimate because SEALS use it? .


I think I saw picture of a Ghatak platoon member with this helmet on Twotter. Cant remember specific regiment. It does expose quite a bit of head area around ears, enough for a fatal bullet shot. But as souravB said they seems to be designed to be used with large COMM equiments filling that area.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Singha » 14 Jan 2019 21:46

A 7.62mm bullet will pass through the headset
I hope our sf do not adopt this

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Postby souravB » 14 Jan 2019 22:07

Singha sir, current crop of ballistic helmets of any type whether ACH, PASGT, Tactical has a standard NIJ-IIIA rating which is good for 9mm from a few feet, shell fragments, BFTs and knife stabs. Multi shot performance and shelf life are made better using better materials, bolt free design etc. But this is the balance that is currently being struck between safety and weight. It may stop a 5.56 NATO from a considerable distance but that's about it. Any 7.62 caliber would pass through it.
That being said the tactical helmets for specOps are made lighter for a reason. To provide SFs all the freedom of movement. Infact SFs don't even wear helmets in many scenarios. If you see specOp assaults of US SOCOM, they wear helmets only during ops that require NVGs or other tactical hands free gears.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby nam » 14 Jan 2019 22:24

The only thing that works against 7.62 is our patka. The TFTA Hollywood friendly helmets don't help save your life in real..

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Singha » 14 Jan 2019 22:32

Do nvg cast a eerie green backlight on the wearers face? Thats what could see in the film. Kind of hurts stealth?

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Postby souravB » 14 Jan 2019 22:45

There is a backlight on the screen but I think the screen is moved close to the eye with a cushion both surrounding the screen and provide some comfort during ops. There are some cinematic liberties everybody take. The devices are never On the eye rather Over the eye so that the actor retains normal vision for movement and the green light creates cinematic effect for the viewer to understand the NVG is working.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby SBajwa » 14 Jan 2019 23:39

JayS wrote:^^ This is not person specific. But rather on the organisation level, what people percieve them as a whole group. There are good and bad guys in all side. No one in sane mind would say all IAS/IPS are corrupt and bad and all AF soldiers/officers are cent percent honest and genuine. But the talk here is about the organisational ethos and the average characteristics that the respective sides have. Just have a look at some of the tweets coming from even the IAS association handle, let alone individual IAS or IPS officers which are mostly unprovoked. The venom they spew against AFs is unbelievable. In fact such kind of views against anyone would have been disgusting, let alone unacceptable.



IAF and IPS was created by Brit$shits to get money to top aka England. Till 2014 money stopped at Delhi before being distributed as decided the Lutyens gang aka Antonia Maino and Raul Vinci. Only Namo stopped it and is still trying his best to stop.

Without overhauling IAS/IPS it is extremely hard to fix this system. IAS/IPS needs to be cut in half (numbers) along with curtailing their powers and empowering local Panchayat and/or muncipality aka elected people should have more power.

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Postby Khalsa » 15 Jan 2019 08:56

Singha wrote:Anyone know the size of these brd? Must be huge

Mega
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Postby kancha » 15 Jan 2019 11:42

Austin wrote:Was reading India Today latest issue which has interview with IA Chief worth reading the whole thing but 2 points that stand out

1 ) Shocked to know when Army Chief says 87 % of IA Budget expenditure is for OPEX which is Salaries,Fuel etc and just 13 % left of modernisation , if left unchecked in few years this will be 90 % will be OPEX and 10 % CAPEX

2 ) IA Chief has plans to increase OPEX assuming budget will be the same the plan is to reduce 50000 - 100000 troops and this will save around 5000-6000 Crore which can be used for modernisation

Lot of restructuring in the IA to make the teeth to tail ratio better and make it a agile fighting force , Actual Cold Start implementation is possible only if it is done else things remain on paper with work in progress thing.

For the rest need to read it in the IT issue.


The skewed ratio between OPEX and CAPEX might also be a result of the defence budget which is quite low as a percentage of GDP. IIRC, the current financial year's allotment is 1.58% (Source) of GDP.
Thus, the current situation while meriting a reduction in OPEX no doubt, also merits a proportional increase in overall allotment for defence as a percentage of GDP.
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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby jpremnath » 15 Jan 2019 12:09

IMHO, it is pointless to take defense budget as % of GDP for a country whose govt revenues remain pitifully low at 12% of GDP (340B out of a GDP of 2.6T). If you consider % of budget, defense expenditure is at 13% (56B out of 410B expenditure).
For contrast you can compare our situation to that of UK whose GDP is practically same as ours (2.6T)...Their revenues were 810B$ with an expenditure of 842B$....double our size...So unless the tax revenue goes up, our budget size also remains low.

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Postby JayS » 15 Jan 2019 13:11

jpremnath wrote:IMHO, it is pointless to take defense budget as % of GDP for a country whose govt revenues remain pitifully low at 12% of GDP (340B out of a GDP of 2.6T). If you consider % of budget, defense expenditure is at 13% (56B out of 410B expenditure).
For contrast you can compare our situation to that of UK whose GDP is practically same as ours (2.6T)...Their revenues were 810B$ with an expenditure of 842B$....double our size...So unless the tax revenue goes up, our budget size also remains low.


We often forget another important point that is PPP optics. Because we still import a large chunk of equipment and even our desi programs also still import significant amount of content which we pay in USD, we fail to leverage our true PPP and we end up punching way below our weight. With 70:1 or 100:1 currency value difference we will never be able to compete with the likes of France whose defense needs are way below ours but who spend almost same amount as us in USD terms. Until we have a large scale component of equipment's being produced in Desh, we will never be able to match other big powers. It won't matter whether we spend 1.5% or 3% or even 6% of our GDP.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby JayS » 15 Jan 2019 13:37

kancha wrote:
Austin wrote:Was reading India Today latest issue which has interview with IA Chief worth reading the whole thing but 2 points that stand out

1 ) Shocked to know when Army Chief says 87 % of IA Budget expenditure is for OPEX which is Salaries,Fuel etc and just 13 % left of modernisation , if left unchecked in few years this will be 90 % will be OPEX and 10 % CAPEX

2 ) IA Chief has plans to increase OPEX assuming budget will be the same the plan is to reduce 50000 - 100000 troops and this will save around 5000-6000 Crore which can be used for modernisation

Lot of restructuring in the IA to make the teeth to tail ratio better and make it a agile fighting force , Actual Cold Start implementation is possible only if it is done else things remain on paper with work in progress thing.

For the rest need to read it in the IT issue.


The skewed ratio between OPEX and CAPEX might also be a result of the defence budget which is quite low as a percentage of GDP. IIRC, the current financial year's allotment is 1.58% (Source) of GDP.
Thus, the current situation while meriting a reduction in OPEX no doubt, also merits a proportional increase in overall allotment for defence as a percentage of GDP.
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True. We need to maintain at least close to 2% for time being.

I am thinking aloud here so it might sound confusing. Though its good to follow this 2% thumb rule, we should really figure out our own matrix rather than following NATO rule blindingly. IMO we need much more than 2% but not necessarily all under the same head as what constitutes today as Defense budget.

Actual expenditure related to Defense is slightly over 3%. GOI has delinked expenses like pensions from usual defense budget. That hidden component is as large as the visible defense budget itself. At the end of the day GOI has to pay the money whichever head the money might be classified under. There is a huge increase in Pensions related expenditure in last 3yrs or so due to OROP. There is equal pressure on increase spending on areas like education, health, Infra and keep reducing fiscal deficit at the same time. Since the private investment cycle is not taking off still, GOI still needs to push more and more money in all areas. Which means there is little scope for increase in defense budget.

OTOH, one needs to look at nuisances in the way money is spent by MoD. The budgeted figure is misleading. If you look at the actual money spent, its even lower. MoD used to return 10-15k Cr money to MoF every year as unspent. That's quite a lot of money. Due to various reasons even the budgeted money is not spent completely. To the credit of current government, they have smoothened out a lot of wrinkles in how the money is spend. One may agree or disagree but MoD claims that there is no acquisition that is on hold just for the reason of lack of money. And they have increased RnD expenditure too significantly and forced DRDO to work on time bound execution of a lot of low key products which act as force multipliers apart from the usual big ticket Capital programs. Which will eventually increase the efficacy of money spent by AFs in future as they get cheaper equipment - more bang for the buck. OTOH GOI seems to have done some other stupid things like removing tax holiday on Defense related equipment which means AFs would have to spend more while the money merely exchanges from one hand of GOI to another without any real impact. Also we need some rational thinking on why DPSUs charge hefty margins on products sold to our own AFs..? Does HAL really need to take out 3000Cr profit out of 15-16k Cr Revenue and then give it back to GOI as dividends..? These kind of inefficiencies and inconsistencies need to be removed to increase effective utilization of money given to AFs or to DRDO.

I am just trying to say, using single number (% of GDP) is not a very good matrix. We need to have a comprehensive outlook on defense expenditure. Not only what we spend on our AFs but also what we spend in making weapons and other equipment.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby chetak » 15 Jan 2019 18:24

Dragunov Era Ends For Indian Army: 5,719 Modern Snipers To Be Procured From US, Italy To Replace Russian Rifle




Dragunov Era Ends For Indian Army: 5,719 Modern Snipers To Be Procured From US, Italy To Replace Russian Rifle

by Swarajya Staff - Jan 15 2019,



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Indian Army Marksman with SVD Dragunov (@indiandefence11/Twitter)

Indian will be getting 5,719 sniper rifles from different global vendors by January to replace its ageing Soviet-era Dragunov SVD rifles procured in the 1990s, Financial Express has reported.

“The Indian Army is getting sniper rifles from different vendors including Messers Beretta .338 Lapua Magmum Scorpio TGT of Italy and .50 Calibre Sniper Rifle M95 MS Barrett from the US. They are coming under the Buy Global category. The ammunition for these will be initially procured from abroad; subsequently it will be manufactured in India.” the report quoted sources as saying.

According to the report, the Ministry of Defence (MoD), in a deal worth $150 million, it had invited responses from global manufacturers last December to its request for proposals (RFP) for 5,719 number of 8.6 mm sniper rifles and 10.3 million rounds of ammunition for Indian Army and Indian Air Force.

The Russian Dragunov sniper rifle using 7.62x54-MMR catridge was acquired from Russia in early 1990s for the Indian Army. However, the rifles (800 m range) were not equipped with modern magnification and sight systems, bipod systems and their ammunition is very expensive.

Five million rounds of .338 Lapua Magnum ammunition will be license manufactured by India’s state owned ordinance factory board (OFB) and private sector manufacturers via transfer of technology.

Army Chief General Bipin Rawat, on Army day, had said that the northern command will soon be equipped with new sniper rifles from this month. “On January 20th the new snipers will come for the Northern Command.”

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Rakesh » 15 Jan 2019 20:42

Singha wrote::rotfl: burnol burnol - film is nearing 50cr after 4 days. budget was 25cr onree.

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India couldn't even get two quadcopters ( toy) over the LoC and they want the universe to actually believe there was a #SurgicalStrike #URI in the absence of a UN confirmation.
Class act India. Keep paying Bollywood and taking selfies with Karan Johar.

How in heaven's name can one be like this? :-o

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Postby chetak » 15 Jan 2019 21:01

Rakesh wrote:
Singha wrote::rotfl: burnol burnol - film is nearing 50cr after 4 days. budget was 25cr onree.

Dr Rita Pal
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India couldn't even get two quadcopters ( toy) over the LoC and they want the universe to actually believe there was a #SurgicalStrike #URI in the absence of a UN confirmation.
Class act India. Keep paying Bollywood and taking selfies with Karan Johar.

How in heaven's name can one be like this? :-o


papi pet ka sawal hai, sirji.

these folks have been hungry for so long now that they have become delirious.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby chetak » 15 Jan 2019 21:04

Beefing up borders


Beefing up borders
Tuesday, 15 January 2019



Govt clears 44 strategic roads along our boundary with China but we wish the nod had come earlier

Perhaps it is too little and too late in the day but the Modi Government has finally got round to doing what should have been done long ago, focus on building strategic advantage along the Indo-China border, something that matters a lot in diplomatic posturing and keeping ambitious neighbours in check. So the Centre has green-signalled the building of 44 “strategic roads” along the border with China and more than 2,100 km of axial and lateral roads in Punjab and Rajasthan, adjoining the Pakistan border. Given China’s ambitious Belt and Road Initiative, where the Chinese are bent on building economic, infrastructural, cultural and strategic contiguity with their border provinces and regional neighbours to ensure their overlordship through indebtedness of the smaller states, who can hardly repay Chinese loans or say no, the Indian counter is of utmost importance. More so considering that we share nearly a 4,000-km-long Line of Actual Control with China, touching sensitive areas from Jammu and Kashmir to Arunachal Pradesh. Pakistan anyway reminds us of our porosity by pushing in infiltrators. Post-Doklam, when Indian and Chinese troops were engaged in a standoff over road-building on their border with Bhutan, China has been pushing road projects all along its borders with India, clearly with an intention to speedily mobilise troops and supplies during a conflict and seize the tactical advantage. Covertly, it is meant to coerce India into believing that China is the superior party given its organisational efficiency and strategic readiness and that we could be no match for it, whatever the reality might be. In fact, had it not been for the intransigence of our troops in Doklam, where China was trying to impose an altered reality by driving a wedge between Indian and Bhutan, the Chinese would not have held back.

Besides, the China-built roads have facilitated incursion into Indian territory to make us look vulnerable and blink first. The transgressions by the Chinese Army into Indian territory rose to 426 in 2017 from the 273 in 2016, as per government figures. If China is testing our tolerance threshold by following what is now known as its “salami-slicing” of sovereign neighbouring territories, then our push for border roads makes for the right optics in terms of point-scoring. These roads along the China border will undoubtedly facilitate a quicker mobilisation of troops during any stare-down conflict and keep us connected to the outlier areas, particularly parts of the Northeast. The two bridges on the Brahmaputra river that were completed over the last four years — the new Saraighat and Dhola Sadiya — have eased the prospect of both civil and military connectivity and ensured a peaceful life for both locals and the security establishment. Besides, we cannot overlook that China is building a huge dam on the tributary of Brahmaputra within its territory to further squeeze the Arunachal frontier and we need to be in readiness to counter such adventurism. In fact, India cannot afford gestation of ideas but needs to hit the ground running. Parliament’s Standing Committee on External Affairs has already warned how in key sectors, India is “dependent on single access routes, a risky proposition in times of conflict.” India can reply to China only if it has infrastructural connectivity in the region which also allows us to mainstream locals economically and socially. We may not need to pursue the offensive diplomacy of China but we can deliver a meaningful punch or two when needed rather than embarrassing ourselves.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Prem » 15 Jan 2019 23:14

chetak wrote:
Rakesh wrote:How in heaven's name can one be like this? :-o


papi pet ka sawal hai, sirji.

these folks have been hungry for so long now that they have become delirious.

This old UK wali troll was fired from her job and hired by Paki.

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Postby Rakesh » 16 Jan 2019 01:09

^^^^ I just read through her twitter feed. WOW :eek: :roll:

https://twitter.com/dr_rita39?lang=id

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Postby JayS » 16 Jan 2019 01:20

Can someone please tell me, what ATAM is planned for our Apaches that we are buying..?

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Postby rkhanna » 16 Jan 2019 01:31

Rakesh wrote:^^^^ I just read through her twitter feed. WOW :eek: :roll:

https://twitter.com/dr_rita39?lang=id


Honestly this to me looks like a troll account. Maybe the pakis are copying chicom strategy of paid sm workers.

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Postby Prem » 16 Jan 2019 01:38

Rakesh wrote:^^^^ I just read through her twitter feed. WOW :eek: :roll:

https://twitter.com/dr_rita39?lang=id


Had wrestled with her long ago,she runs to Malleha Lodi with every slap she gets.

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Postby Bart S » 16 Jan 2019 05:01

^This is just one of a network of fake accounts managed by the ISI or their fanboys like Ahmed Qureshi (remember the articles that he wrote under the name of Christina Palmer :lol: ). They generally tag each other and back each other up on various posts. Twitter being anonymous, anybody can create a fake profile. Only a very naive person will not see through it and take it seriously.

Funny thing is that it doesn't get the Pakis anything really other than lowering the IQ of their general populace.

For anybody who wants an insight into these delusional idiots and their crude propaganda attempts, this article (and the links within it) are a must-read:
https://tribune.com.pk/story/91026/purv ... f-fiction/ :rotfl:

Apologies for the OT.

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Postby Singha » 16 Jan 2019 07:40

I read the nsg is using fn scar rifles have even seen a pic of it. I know they have hk and sig also. The pic i saw looked like the 7.62mm bigger scar H model

Is our para regt and para sf batts using anything other than galil sniper , m4 and tar21 ? I expect sniper rifles they sill have older dragunovs and newer imports also

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Chinmay » 16 Jan 2019 10:18

JayS wrote:Can someone please tell me, what ATAM is planned for our Apaches that we are buying..?


Stingers.

https://www.defensenews.com/global/asia ... e-engines/


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Postby Prem » 16 Jan 2019 12:12

https://twitter.com/neeraj_rajput/statu ... 3239669762
#indianarmy tank running on frozen #Teesta river at 15 thousand ft in north #Sikkim along #China border

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Postby rkhanna » 16 Jan 2019 12:17

Singha wrote:I read the nsg is using fn scar rifles have even seen a pic of it. I know they have hk and sig also. The pic i saw looked like the 7.62mm bigger scar H model

Is our para regt and para sf batts using anything other than galil sniper , m4 and tar21 ? I expect sniper rifles they sill have older dragunovs and newer imports also



the FN SCAR is officially operational with the SG only. There are tests batches currently with NSG and the Paras for evaluation from what i have been told.

Galatz Sniper (think Dragnovs for the most part have been phased out of SF) rifles will continue DMR duties. Finish SAKO, Barretta sniper rifles are in the process of being Inducted. As well as Micro UZI and MP9s for SMG duties.

Arsenal AKs are a fav with SFF/ SG and the Paras as well. FAB Industries modded ofcourse.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby JayS » 16 Jan 2019 17:51

Chinmay wrote:
JayS wrote:Can someone please tell me, what ATAM is planned for our Apaches that we are buying..?


Stingers.

https://www.defensenews.com/global/asia ... e-engines/


Thanks. Total 6 + 22 Apache.

IAF Order include: 22 Apache, 812 AGM-114L-3 Hellfire Longbow missiles, 542 AGM-114R-3 Hellfire II missiles, 245 Stinger Block I-92H missiles and 12 AN/APG-78 fire-control radars.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby samsher » 18 Jan 2019 01:31

Prem wrote:
Rakesh wrote:^^^^ I just read through her twitter feed. WOW :eek: :roll:

https://twitter.com/dr_rita39?lang=id


Had wrestled with her long ago,she runs to Malleha Lodi with every slap she gets.


^^^ The Twitter handle seems to have been deleted! Probably a pakjabi-ispr hitjob?

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Postby ArjunPandit » 18 Jan 2019 14:53

samsher wrote:^^^ The Twitter handle seems to have been deleted! Probably a pakjabi-ispr hitjob?

i had shown her the mirror on surgical strike, when she resorted to UN doesnt believe that.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Rakesh » 23 Jan 2019 04:38

All posts about the excellent, super-hit, Bollywood movie - URI - have been moved to the Army strikes terror camps in PoK thread.

Please continue discussion in there ---> hhttps://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/view ... start=2080

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Postby Yagnasri » 23 Jan 2019 11:26

One mango man doubt - I understand that AK47 etc AKs are not very accurate and very difficult to handle in a auto mode. Then why it looks like our forces which normally work for a ek goli ek dushman rule and our SFs which greatly depend on accuracy favor AKs? Just for stopping power and robustness?

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby rkhanna » 23 Jan 2019 11:43

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Yagnasri wrote:One mango man doubt - I understand that AK47 etc AKs are not very accurate and very difficult to handle in a auto mode. Then why it looks like our forces which normally work for a ek goli ek dushman rule and our SFs which greatly depend on accuracy favor AKs? Just for stopping power and robustness?


An AK in a trained hand (like with SF) is extremely accurate. Given the level of recoil it becomes a spray and pray weapon in untrained hands.
Even the line grunt deployed in COIN (CRPF/RR) have a high degree of proficiency with the AK series.

Also, Outside the benefit of the round itself the AK series gives the operator a quick and dirty (and efficient) tool for fire suppression which comes in handy given the CQB nature of contacts that happen in J&K. Which maynot be necessary for Conventional duties.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby ks_sachin » 23 Jan 2019 12:06

Any 7.62 in full auto will be an issue.
But then again full auto is used judiciously.
A SAW will be first point of call when fire suppression is read at a platoon level.
That said AKs in valley were a by prod of the reliability issues of the INSAS as well as our exp in Lanka when LTTE used Aka.
Also SF use a smorgasbord of weapons of which the AK is one. They have no unique pref for AK today.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Singha » 23 Jan 2019 12:35

is it true that a proper 5.56mm rifle like insas,tar21,fnscar will deliver accurate single shot fire out to 600m with a regular barrel length, while AK manages 300m only?

given that engagements in J&K are at close range or inside forests the addl range is not perceived as a drag vs the heavier round to pierce trees and wooden walls?


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