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Postby ramana » 30 Sep 2020 06:38

Something is wrong to use such language when all is being done is improve the electronics.

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Postby Vips » 01 Oct 2020 19:16

CCS clears Rs 7796 crore communication network for Indian Army, to be done by ITI.

The Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) has cleared a project to establish a secure communication network for the Indian Army that will include
modern optical fibre cable links to forward areas, with Public Sector Undertaking ITI set to implement the Rs 7796 crore plan.

The defence ministry has said that the new Army Static Switched Communication Network (ASCON) will provide a “big boost to the operational capability of the defence forces”, given the current operational situation on the border with China and provides an opportunity to the PSU to give an “impetus to the Indian economy”.

The project will lead to a complete upgrade of military communication systems that will shift to Internet Protocol (IP) / Multi Protocol Label Switching (MPLS) Technology. “Optical Fibre Cable (OFC), Microwave Radio and Satellite will be used as communication media,” the defence ministry said.

Officials said that the project will provide better survivability, responsiveness and high bandwidth in any operational scenario and enhance the communication coverage of network close to international boundaries, like the Line of Actual Control (LAC), where tensions have been simmering with China since May.

“The project would augment the communication network of Indian Army in the sensitive forward operational areas which in turn will provide a major boost to the operational preparedness of the Indian Army especially keeping in view the current operational situation at LAC,” the ministry has said.

The network will extend the high bandwidth communication to the remote operational areas in Central and Eastern Sectors and enhance communication reach to the forward locations in the Western border too.

The project will have indigenous content of about 80 percent, with official saying that it would come as a boost for the industry as well. “The project involves execution of civil works, laying of OFC, tower construction, etc and with utilization of local resources, hiring of manpower, it would generate employment opportunities especially to the people in remote border areas, support and boost rural economy, assist in upliftment of the local of the local economies, provide skill development during the prolonged period of execution and maintenance of the network,” the ministry has said.

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Postby nam » 01 Oct 2020 19:24

That's almost a billion dollar order to a PSU, which will not contribute anything to our electronics industry, not compete in international market..

Imagine the leg up a private company would have got with such a large order..

Still remember an ITI employee telling me while pointing towards a large PCB with Motorola processor, "In western countries, this entire PCB comes in a single chip" :roll:

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Postby pushkar.bhat » 01 Oct 2020 20:07

vimal wrote:https://www.livefistdefence.com/2020/09/must-upgrade-811-nightblind-bmps-to-handle-belligerent-neighbours-says-army.html

Must Upgrade 811 ‘Nightblind’ BMPs To Handle ‘Belligerent Neighbours’, Says Army


Chinese hostilities in eastern Ladakh appear to have compelled — and coloured — the Indian Army’s latest effort to upgrade the firepower on over 800 BMP-2/2K infantry combat vehicles. In a formal request for information (RFI) scouting armament packages from Indian industry, the Army notes, “The terrain along our borders lends itself to conduct of large scale mechanised operations and the belligerence of our adversaries on the borders necessitate that our capabilities are adequately built up to match the threat.”


Sarcasm Mode On

Hey how can they brush aside the 22 season trials and the 55 Changes to GSQR for High Altitude, Low Altitude, No altitude, Underwater visibility and even subterranean visibility. Ok And I forgot about the Ground Penetrating Radar capability or possible tunnels that China and Pakistan may build to hide. We just cannot allow DG Mech to take any decisions until BMP's are not end of life.

Were these guys sleeping to how Depsang allows for deployment of large scale mech forces.

Sarcasm Mode Off.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby wig » 15 Oct 2020 16:52

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/comme ... ger-155904

In drone era, tanks must adapt to last longer
In eastern Ladakh, India and China have deployed a considerable number of tanks in the standoff at the LAC. The heavy T-72 and T-90 tanks of India are facing the Type 15 light Chinese tanks. Both sides claim superiority. These points of view miss the larger picture, that the main threat to a tank today is not from another tank, but from the air. This is particularly true in the open, barren LAC.

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The Azerbaijan military has deployed an array of drones, both for surveillance and attack. The latter, also known as ‘kamikaze’ drones, loiter over the battlefield, acquire targets like tanks and crash into them. On display were both Israeli and Turkish drones that have been obtained in large numbers by Baku over the past few years.

Both sides have claimed that hundreds of tanks, along with air defence launchers, artillery guns and other military equipment have been destroyed in the fighting. While it is difficult to assess the losses accurately, there is no doubt that drones have played a large role. The Armenian defence ministry statement that it has shot down 107 enemy drones indicates the extensive use of drones in the fighting.

The drone-vs-tank battle being witnessed in Nagorno-Karabakh is not a first. In February, 33 Turkish soldiers were killed in a Syrian airstrike on Idlib in northern Syria. In retaliation, Turkey unleashed a fierce offensive, primarily using drone-launched missiles and precision artillery strikes. In three days of fighting, Turkey claimed to have knocked out more than 100 armoured vehicles and killed over 2,000 soldiers.

At the forefront of the Turkish offensive were the Bayraktar-TB and Anka-S drone systems. These drones carry MAM-C and MAM-L high explosive, armour-penetrating rockets designed to strike targets illuminated by a laser. Surveillance drones were used to locate targets that were accurately engaged by long-range artillery and rocket systems. Supporting this ‘war from afar’ was the KORAL electronic warfare system that paralysed Syria’s air defence radar network and its ability to shoot down the drones.

Both these conflicts provide a glimpse of the future of warfare and have raised many questions on the viability of tanks on the battlefield. The US Marine Corps report Force Design 2030 states that the Corps will divest all of its tanks. It could be argued that the Marine Corps has a specific expeditionary role that requires it to remain a light force and that it is premature to write off the tank altogether from the battlefield. This argument has merit, but it is equally valid that the era of large tank-vs-tank battles appears to have passed.

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Postby mody » 19 Oct 2020 13:55

Proposals to cut ceremonies and other peripheral expenditure in the Army. Seem to be steps in the right direction, but some veterans or others who have better knowledge about the subject may offer their opinion.

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/other/pr ... d=msedgntp

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Postby Vips » 01 Nov 2020 20:48

Army doctors achieve new feat, successfully remove soldier's appendix at 16,000 feet.

Amid the deployment of Indian troops in harsh winters to counter China on the Line of Actual Control (LAC), Army doctors achieved a major
feat at an altitude of 16,000 feet as they successfully removed an appendix of a soldier in a dug-in at a forward surgical centre in Eastern
Ladakh.

The surgery was performed by a team of three doctors including a Lt Colonel, a Major and a Captain on a soldier, who could not be evacuated
by chopper due to the weather conditions.

"The surgical team from the field hospital performed an emergency surgery to remove the appendix at freezing temperatures at a height of
16,000 feet in a dug-in at a Forward Surgical Centre (FSC) in extreme conditions," Army sources confirmed.

Despite the adversities faced by the doctors in performing the surgery, the operation was successful and the patient is stable now, they informed.
The surgery was conducted on October 28.

The sources said this is one of the few such successful surgeries conducted by the Army doctors in the forward areas as the Indian Army's field hospitals are fully functional and are performing specialised treatment for extreme winter-related issuesfaced by troops deployed in the icy conditions along the LAC.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby wig » 17 Nov 2020 10:52

https://www.dailyexcelsior.com/cos-n-co ... utant-gen/
CoS N Command set to head Corps, Harsha may go as Adjutant Gen

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Close on the heels of postings of new General Officer Commandings (GOCs) at Leh-based 14 Corps and Nagrota headquartered 16 Corps, the Army is likely to get new Chief of Staff (CoS) Northern Command while former GOC 16 Corps Lt Gen Harsha Gupta is tipped for prestigious posting in the Army Headquarters.
Reliable sources told the Excelsior that Lt Gen C Bansi Ponnappa, Chief of Staff, Northern Command headquartered at Udhampur is likely to be transferred and posted as GOC of Jallandhar (Punjab) based 11 Corps, which is part of the Western Command and looks after several areas along the International Border with Pakistan.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Aditya_V » 15 Dec 2020 14:22

It is better sometimes are not spelt out, for eg we know that the Paki Govt monitors BRF and used BRF database on 27-Feb-19 as a source for Publishing Wing Commander's details.

It probably changes with time and capabilities.

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Postby Rakesh » 23 Dec 2020 21:41

https://twitter.com/IndianDefenceRA/sta ... 43008?s=20 ---> Goa Shipyard Ltd (GSL) won the contract for construction of 12 Advanced Fast Patrol Crafts for Indian Army though competitive bidding.

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Postby Rakesh » 23 Dec 2020 21:42

https://twitter.com/captjasdeep/status/ ... 22437?s=20 ---> In my view, except these guys...no one is doing anyone a favour, plus they have to pay income tax also.

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Postby Rakesh » 28 Dec 2020 03:48

Army to seek waiver from Defence Ministry to expedite helicopter deal
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ ... 418788.ece
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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Manish_P » 28 Dec 2020 17:13

Rakesh wrote:https://twitter.com/captjasdeep/status/1341397498498322437?s=20 ---> In my view, except these guys...no one is doing anyone a favour, plus they have to pay income tax also.


+1 Rakesh ji. It has always bugged me that on one hand we have 'Jai Jawan, Jai Kisan' yet it's only the farmers who are exempt from Income tax.. :-?

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby wig » 02 Jan 2021 19:37

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/natio ... ths-192362

5 Army top guns to retire in 10 months
Mix of Infantry, Armoured Corps officers likely to take charge as Commanders
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The first superannuation is slated for January 31 when the Vice Chief of the Army Staff, Lt Gen SK Saini, retires. The Central Army Commander, Lt Gen IS Ghuman, and South Western Army Commander Lt Gen AS Kler will retire the same day on March 31. Eastern Army Commander Lt Gen AS Chauhan superannuates on May 31 while the last retirement will be of Western Army Commander Lt Gen RP Singh on October 31.


Besides merit, the qualifying criteria for promotion as Army Commander is having a minimum 18 months of residual service. If the government goes by the seniority principle, the new Army Commanders could be a mix of Infantry and Armoured Corps officers.

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Postby Rakesh » 04 Jan 2021 05:59

https://twitter.com/IndianDefenceRA/sta ... 24897?s=20 ---> GSL has signed contract with Indian Army for construction of 12 specialized Patrol Crafts today.

https://twitter.com/Aditya_G_Social/sta ... 93025?s=20 ---> Indian Army's new "Specialized Patrol Craft" revealed - very nice! A brand new design with 2 machine guns and water jet propulsion. To be built by Goa Shipyard.

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Postby Rakesh » 04 Jan 2021 07:00

A bullet hit my ankle and shrapnel grazed my hand: General Bipin Rawat
https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/anni ... 2020-12-26
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Army plans to keep 2 strike corps for mountains facing China amid Ladakh crisis
I Corps, deployed on western border with Pakistan, is being realigned to focus on northern theatre, while 17 Corps will focus on eastern theatre.

https://theprint.in/defence/army-plans-to-deploy-2-strike-corps-in-mountains-facing-china-amid-ladakh-crisis/579924/?

The Army currently has four strike corps — the Mathura-based I Corps, the Ambala-based II corps, the Bhopal-based 21 Corps and the partially-raised 17 Corps. The primary role of a strike corps is offensive trans-border action against an adversary.

A defence source said the I Corps, which was earlier responsible only for the western theatre bordering Pakistan, is now being realigned to also look at the northern theatre.

“Similarly, the Panagarh-based 17 Corps, which is the only existing mountain strike corps, will keep its focus only the eastern theatre,” the source said.The eastern sector broadly covers Sikkim and Northeastern states’ borders with China. The northern sector broadly covers areas of Ladakh and J&K, while the central sector covers the areas south of eastern Ladakh and the borders that Himachal Pradesh and Uttarakhand share with China.

Currently, the I, II and 21 Corps focus on the western border facing Pakistan, while only the 17 Corps focuses on China. The 17 Corps, sanctioned in 2013, was supposed to have two divisions instead of the regular three, but only the 59 Division now based in Panagarh was raised — the other was among the raisings shelved due to financial constraints. Earlier this year, some elements of the 17 Corps had also been deployed in eastern Ladakh.

The sources said the plan is to get the I Corps to also focus on the northern theatre with two infantry divisions. An armoured division, earlier part of the corps, is likely to be employed as an Army headquarters reserve focusing on the western theatre.

The 17 Corps, meanwhile, will be given an additional division from an existing corps to enhance its capability and focus on the eastern theatre. This will not be a fresh raising, and it is not clear where this division will be based.

The 17 Corps debuted last year in a massive exercise called ‘HimVijay’, which also saw the IBGs concept in action. ThePrint had earlier reported that there are also plans for the 17 Corps to get its own artillery brigade.

Last year, Army chief General M.M. Naravane had said it is expecting a green light from the Union government to set up the first of the IBGs — self-contained, agile, brigade-sized fighting units — at 9 Corps, which is deployed at the western border with Pakistan. However, the plans got delayed due to the Covid-19 pandemic.

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Postby ParGha » 07 Jan 2021 17:15

The re-orientation of I Corps as a Mountain Strike Corps, if true, is the first big indication that IA is buckling up for a fight. Putting its Armoured Division into Army HQ reserve is a good first step. The Army HQ was a shell after it ceded 6 Mountain Division to a Strike Corps, and was reduced to a single 50 Para Brigade.

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Postby krishna_krishna » 07 Jan 2021 19:33

ParGha wrote:The re-orientation of I Corps as a Mountain Strike Corps, if true, is the first big indication that IA is buckling up for a fight. Putting its Armoured Division into Army HQ reserve is a good first step. The Army HQ was a shell after it ceded 6 Mountain Division to a Strike Corps, and was reduced to a single 50 Para Brigade.


Strike corps can be moved elsewhere too if needed, however the combined sino-pak strategy seems working (from optics) and that is why you see this .Summer is where skirmish is planned from both combined with biden administration new. I hope we crush chinkis in northern ladakh and porkis in GB.

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Postby Haresh » 07 Jan 2021 20:27

Rakesh wrote:Indian Army's new "Specialized Patrol Craft" revealed - very nice! A brand new design with 2 machine guns and water jet propulsion. To be built by Goa Shipyard.


I hope they load the bow with reinforced concrete, for ramming attacks.

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Postby Vips » 08 Jan 2021 08:45

These much needed 'crafts' will be available only from Dec onwards till then our QRT boats will keep getting rammed by the Chinese. As usual we are just playing catch-up till they bring in heavier boats. We should put a stop to this nonsense and let out at least a volley of MMG fire if they come anywhere near our QRT patrols. What else are these boats armed for?

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Postby wig » 08 Jan 2021 09:11

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/natio ... ank-195425

Half of Army under stress, says military think tank More dying due to suicides, fratricides and other factors
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Reports blame “prolonged exposure” to counter-terrorist environment as one of the contributory factors for increased stress levels.
Non-combat related reasons add to the operational stress and have adverse effects on health of soldiers.
Major causes include inadequacies in the quality of leadership, overburdened commitments, inadequate resources and frequent dislocations.


United Services Institution (USI), which is compiling a book from the outcome of a seminar “Prevailing Stress Levels in Indian Army due to Prolonged
Exposure to Counter Insurgency/Counter Terrorism Environment”, which it had organised in October 2020.
Excerpts of the same have been put up on the USI website under ‘strategic perspectives’ for the period October-December 2020. Among the JCOs and jawans, the study identifies reasons, including delay and denial of leave, excessive engagements, domestic problems, humiliation by seniors, lack of dignity, unreasonable restrictions on the use of mobiles, lack of recreational facilities, conflict with seniors as well as subordinates, health problems, inadequacy of train reservation, inefficient administrative support, financial problems, lack of transparency in promotions, delay in crediting of financial claims and poor quality of rations. “There is a need to remove all shortcomings at the earliest.” says the study.

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Postby hemant_sai » 08 Jan 2021 11:20

"unreasonable restrictions on the use of mobiles" and "inadequacy of train reservation" - these 2 reasons for stress are not acceptable. I work in IT company and I too have restrictions on mobile phone (any mobile with camera) usage. Train reservation issues are almost faced by everyone in the country. This highlights either lack of maturity OR failure of training staff to help them mature towards few aspects of army life.

“There is a need to remove all shortcomings at the earliest.” says the study. - This is also quite unreasonable. Any practical researcher will not give such suggestions.

I think Dignity of a soldier should be paramount, no matter what is the rank of the soldier
and continuous counselling support by Army HR must be top priority. Counselling support should not be limited to work/service problems. More often family issues are emotionally draining than work issues.

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Postby ArjunPandit » 08 Jan 2021 17:51

three things hemant
1. This news report seems to be motivated. Tribune is from chandigarh which apart from providing an endless supply roadies, also is the homestate of the so called chd group in armed forces. Gen Panag, Ajai Shukla and parveen sawhney and some others are the flag bearers. WIth all due respect for their service and sacrifices for nation they still seem to think that appeasement of paxtan is the way forward. May be they know something that we and this govt doesnt. Not official but just unofficial
2. I am a civilian but based on what i have seen, its difficult to compare an ITvity job with an army job where you stay away from family at months, with hardships and orders to follow all along with a possibility of supreme sacrifice.
3. Not sure if Army HR is like the HR of corporate jobs when there are physical punishments and a possibility of a court martial.

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Postby kvraghav » 08 Jan 2021 18:24

One major thing That should be removed is the selection of colonel and above. It should simply be based on the exams and experience. Right now based on feedback from known circles, it is nearly impossible for the first generation Faujis to go beyond Brigadier.

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kvraghav wrote:One major thing That should be removed is the selection of colonel and above. It should simply be based on the exams and experience. Right now based on feedback from known circles, it is nearly impossible for the first generation Faujis to go beyond Brigadier.

How are they selected now?

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Postby ks_sachin » 10 Jan 2021 08:43

hemant_sai wrote:"unreasonable restrictions on the use of mobiles" and "inadequacy of train reservation" - these 2 reasons for stress are not acceptable. I work in IT company and I too have restrictions on mobile phone (any mobile with camera) usage. Train reservation issues are almost faced by everyone in the country. This highlights either lack of maturity OR failure of training staff to help them mature towards few aspects of army life.

But they cause huge stress...Don't compare your restrictions faced by the men and why it impacts them hugely.
Train reservation issue - do you know what you are talking about?
“There is a need to remove all shortcomings at the earliest.” says the study. - This is also quite unreasonable. Any practical researcher will not give such suggestions.

Why is it unreasonable? Should we not try and make it slightly easier for the men?
I think Dignity of a soldier should be paramount, no matter what is the rank of the soldier
and continuous counselling support by Army HR must be top priority. Counselling support should not be limited to work/service problems. More often family issues are emotionally draining than work issues.



Buddy the dignity of the soldier is not paramount in India.
What is the Army HR you talk about?
What counselling services?

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Postby ramana » 10 Jan 2021 09:26

First the study is from a seminar by USI the think tank of the Army.

We should categorize into what the service can do and what the civilians can do?

A note on mobile phones usage. It has been realized Whatsapp usage is revealing unit locations. A remedy is being worked on we hope.
Possible officers are not flowing the rationale down as they might not be aware.

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Postby ramana » 10 Jan 2021 09:26

Sachin what solutions you can offer?

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Excerpts of the same have been put up on the USI website under ‘strategic perspectives’ for the period October-December 2020. Among the JCOs and jawans, the study identifies reasons, including delay and denial of leave, excessive engagements, domestic problems, humiliation by seniors, lack of dignity, unreasonable restrictions on the use of mobiles, lack of recreational facilities, conflict with seniors as well as subordinates, health problems, inadequacy of train reservation, inefficient administrative support, financial problems, lack of transparency in promotions, delay in crediting of financial claims and poor quality of rations. “There is a need to remove all shortcomings at the earliest.” says the study.

What service can fix:

.Among the JCOs and jawans, the study identifies reasons, including

- delay and denial of leave, (once reorganization is underway it will reduce this)
- excessive engagements, domestic problems,
- humiliation by seniors,
- lack of dignity,
- unreasonable restrictions on the use of mobiles, (service and civilian)
- lack of recreational facilities,
- conflict with seniors as well as subordinates,
- health problems, (AMC run medical facilities?)
- inefficient administrative support, financial problems,
- lack of transparency in promotions,
- delay in crediting of financial claims (Defence Accounts Service?)
- poor quality of rations. (Procurement and cooking school)

Civilian can fix:

- inadequacy of train reservation,
- domestic problems,

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Postby ramana » 10 Jan 2021 09:44

GOI needs to allow reorganization to allow troop rotation which the CDS is seized off.

And need to setup special desk in collectorates to address servicemen problems.

Railways can make better provision for train reservations. Let's see how to do that.

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Postby ramana » 10 Jan 2021 09:52

In WWI British Army suddenly found they need to cater to Indian troops in Europe and on the fly had to train the cooks and provide supplies and logistics.
By Workd War II they had standard cookbooks for Indian troops.
Most likely the cooks are still following those old stuff.
So this area can be improved.

I attended a jury trial in Pittsburgh. A case came up involving a soldier posted in Iraq.
He had not answered some summons.
The judge respectfully dismissed it 2 minutes as it was a serving soldier fighting on the frontlines.

Similar attitude is needed by the civilian administration not to harass soldier families,

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Postby manjgu » 10 Jan 2021 10:37

ramana wrote:In WWI British Army suddenly found they need to cater to Indian troops in Europe and on the fly had to train the cooks and provide supplies and logistics.
By Workd War II they had standard cookbooks for Indian troops.
Most likely the cooks are still following those old stuff.
So this area can be improved.

I attended a jury trial in Pittsburgh. A case came up involving a soldier posted in Iraq.
He had not answered some summons.
The judge respectfully dismissed it 2 minutes as it was a serving soldier fighting on the frontlines.

Similar attitude is needed by the civilian administration not to harass soldier families,


dad had a property dispute in his village mundakhera , khurja UP ( a milkman had encroached our plot). the lawyers suggested filing a case ...my father met the DM and the DM got the plot vacated in no time. DM said doodhwale ko thode se paise de do baaki main plot khali karwa doonga. There is a MCO at railway stations/ military quota but there are problems in trains. in my opinion domestic problems are biggest cause of stress and problems in communicating with family.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby ks_sachin » 10 Jan 2021 10:59

ramana wrote:Sachin what solutions you can offer?

Ramana sir. This is a multifaceted problem. I have seen the problems firsthand and how these are dealt with at unit level.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby ramana » 10 Jan 2021 12:40

Obviously not well enough when a Colonel rank officer wrote that summary in USI Journal.

BTW seewhathappen in Navy

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby sudeepj » 10 Jan 2021 13:18

Soldiers should be given a 'hardened' android phone that does not connect to the google playstore etc. and can only install safe apps. With SMS and voice calls allowed, that will take care of 90% of their needs when deployed. It wont prevent careless leaks but how much is the risk of that, its for the army to decide.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Vidur » 10 Jan 2021 14:39

Does the study assign weightages to each of the 'stress' factors ? Two weights are needed - Intensity and Impact of each factor. Without that it risks the wrong understanding. Many studies have been done over the years at various levels and I know a bit about them so am taking liberty to comment.

1. There is a lot of evidence over decades that most stress is seen after the soldier returns from leave. Naturally that means domestic matters are paramount. This is basically land encroachment (often in connivance with police/administration), children not recognising fathers, domestic disputes between inlaws etc. I have personally seen the first and helped - land encroachment. There was a time, perhaps 30 yrs ago when a letter from CO to DM/DC would resolve such issues. But things have steadily deteriorated as Civil/Mil rank disparities have meant a significant deterioration in status of soldiers and thus their access to administration. More importantly their ability to get things done. There are Zilla Sainik Boards in every district to resolve this. But they don't work because DM will never listen to President of the Board a retired Col. There are exceptions of course but they are rare.

Tens of letters have been written by successive Defence Ministers to State Govts on these matters for decades. They are ignored as they are not backed by adm will to implement at any level so things have continued to get worse.

2. Second aspect of stress is postings in CI areas. This is largely due to the restrictive Rules of Engagement where troops and officers have to expose themselves to extreme danger. They are not allowed to fire first and unless there is Zero Doubt. That leads to traps, betrayals by informants and heavy casualties. But these are borne more by officers as they lead from front. We have lost over 20 COs in the valley. There is also the fear of prosecution should some mistake happen. False cases are often filed. This is worse in Naxal areas.I have seen CAPF officers break down in tears as they keep fighting court cases. Very demoralising when the own system you are risking your life to save is perverted against you.

3. Stress is Low in LOC and field areas where physical hardship can be high. This is because above factors are not there. Cases of HAPO/HYPO etc but no stress.

4. Mobiles etc are a sign of change of society. Stress was also high 10 yrs ago when soldiers did not have all this. And 20 yrs ago when even STD calls were not possible regularly. We should dismiss this factor in my view. Soldiers must be made hardy enough and resilient enough to handle such things. Their forefathers just 10 yrs ago did without any stress. We dont want the chocolate soldiers of China !

5. MAP - Married Accomodation Project was started to of ensure 100% availibility of authorised accomodation in all stations. This was a HUGE problem in the 80s,90s and 2000s and a major cause of stress. For example a Major coming from a field area posting to say Lucknow would have to live 9-10 months in very substandard accomodation where frankly even a class 3 officer of Civil Services would refuse to live. Things were very bad indeed and a major reason for severe officer shortage in 90s and 2000s. MAP has been largely completed but many buildings are substandard to the extent of being dangerous for occupation. Some have collapsed. This causes stress.

6. Railway reservations - very important factor for older soldiers. Younger ones dont care as much if they have to travel 48 hrs standing up. But after a few years of service they start disliking it as they see their equivalent police men travelling in AC reserved compartments. MCO (Movement Control Office) quota is barely 2-4 berths in a train when requirement is 5-10 times that. Things are worse for officers as quotas are lower in AC and only side berth is given by railways. This issue has been on for decades as well and is an important factor.

7. Leave - An important factor. No Coy Cdr or CO would like to deny leave but in operational locations due to commitments it may not be possible. Army is constantly called in for all manner of civil help. This increases operational load and impacts leave as well. Hard to see how this can be addressed. We may have to live with it.


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