Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014
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Missed it.. away in another area for meetings. Sigh
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Be at alert around 8 PM, yesterday two Sukhois took off at around the same time.
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Two Sukhoi took off again at 8:30
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may be because of thisAustin wrote:Rare Sight but Sukhois are flying over Mumbai today not sure why must be some exercise ?
http://idrw.org/defence-minister-manoha ... ramaditya/
they must be practicing
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Any idea if GeorgeJ still posts at BRF , He was our MKI man here.
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Austin got your message - thanks
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Welcome Shiv
26 bombs
Multifunctional fighter Su-30MKI Indian Air Force clears spectacular volley bomb load of 26 high-explosive bombs FAB-250 caliber 250 kg during a demonstration exercise "Iron Fist-2016" in the Indian range Pokran March 18, 2016.
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1869078.html
26 bombs
Multifunctional fighter Su-30MKI Indian Air Force clears spectacular volley bomb load of 26 high-explosive bombs FAB-250 caliber 250 kg during a demonstration exercise "Iron Fist-2016" in the Indian range Pokran March 18, 2016.
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1869078.html
Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9 , 2014
^^I counted 28 bombs there
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I counted again its 26
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26 only.shiv wrote:^^I counted 28 bombs there
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Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9 , 2014
Twenty-seven?
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Seventy two
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The contrails of a DDM story
The first doubts
Reinforced
Law of averages
That the Jihadis will get
shiv wrote:^^I counted 28 bombs there
The first doubts
The verificationAustin wrote:I counted again its 26
deejay wrote:26 only.shiv wrote:^^I counted 28 bombs there
Reinforced
Shreeman wrote:Twenty-seven?
Law of averages
PratikDas wrote:Seventy two
That the Jihadis will get
Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9 , 2014
On the Other Hands I counted 26 and thats probably the maximum, Maximum weapons Load is 8 tonnes, 26*250KG= 7.5 tons plus 2 R-73*90KG, the aircraft is carrrying 7.7 tonnes of weapons.
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^^ 26*250 = 6.5 T plus plus 2 R-73*105KG = 6710 Kg
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That is because two bombs had fallen out of the picture by the time you counted againAustin wrote:I counted again its 26
But seriously 26x500 pounders is a lot of bums
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In one of the discussion with Pralay in keypubs he mentioned the followingshiv wrote: That is because two bombs had fallen out of the picture by the time you counted again
But seriously 26x500 pounders is a lot of bums
Flying with a maximum combat load - trick for the buyer. Planes fly to the "normal combat load." Normal load - 5% of the maximum take-off weight. Maximum combat load - 26% of the maximum take-off weight.
Normal load the MiG-35 600 - 1200 kg.
17500 kg - 12100 (empty weight) - 4800 kg (fuel) = 600 kg (weapons)
With a combat load, it is possible to suspend further 1 PTB-2000 and 2 PTB-1150.
12100 (empty weight) + 4800 kg (fuel) + 600 kg (weapons) + 2000 kg + 2*1150 kg = 21800 kg
Let me remind you, the maximum combat load of Su-34 - 12500 kg. Normal load 3000 - 4500 kg
Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9 , 2014
there is a pic in br very old one of a su30 banking away with its belly and wings entirely lined with pincer claw type bomb racks..i had counted 20 then. 26 is a new revelation...would be great to a see a pic of where they hang it.
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Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9 , 2014
Wonder how much the re-inforced Brahmos carrying SU30 can do.... In the center line alone it can carry 3 tonne +shiv wrote:But seriously 26x500 pounders is a lot of bumsAustin wrote:I counted again its 26
26 bums(or PGM) loitering for 10 hours overhead in a battlefield.. And we have 250 of them!
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They Hang like this something on a Su-34Singha wrote:there is a pic in br very old one of a su30 banking away with its belly and wings entirely lined with pincer claw type bomb racks..i had counted 20 then. 26 is a new revelation...would be great to a see a pic of where they hang it.
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The FAB-250 is being made by OFB? or imported?
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Deejay, Those 26 would have timing and dispersal pattern for area targets?
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I think those are Russian ones. OFB was trying to reverse engineer aerial bombs but don't know the current status of their efforts.ramana wrote:The FAB-250 is being made by OFB? or imported?
ARDE has had 125kg and 250kg OFAB program for some time. Not sure if those have been inducted yet.
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No or more precisely not that I am aware of.ramana wrote:Deejay, Those 26 would have timing and dispersal pattern for area targets?
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Now, who realized the significance of the ball bearings?
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In fact I was wondering about something related to this. The lethal radius for personnel is said to be 140 meters, but that only means that bearings could fly a kilometer or more. At least on two occasions I have seen Su-30s drop 16 bombs at a time in a Pokhran demo show. I presume they must have been HE only because I suspect that 2 km is still not a safe distance (for the audience) to be for the odd stray ball bearingtsarkar wrote:Now, who realized the significance of the ball bearings?
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^^ You're thinking (correctly) in terms of range safety, but maybe you might want to think in terms of Kargil.
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afaik, the spread of such carpet bombing at a constant speed and height depends on the a/c trajectory. a dive gives a bunched up carpet, a climb gives a spread out one and a level drop something in between. thats how i read the B52 types release their vast payload of around 80 heavies.
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I guesstimate that the height difference between the first bomb to be released and the last is about 120 meters. That allows me to guess that the entire clutch of 26 bombs has been released in about 5 seconds. Assuming that the Su-30 is flying at 600 kmph it means that the bombs will hit the ground in a line of bombs 800 meters long (or less)Austin wrote: 26 bombs
Multifunctional fighter Su-30MKI Indian Air Force clears spectacular volley bomb load of 26 high-explosive bombs FAB-250 caliber 250 kg during a demonstration exercise "Iron Fist-2016" in the Indian range Pokran March 18, 2016.
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/bmpd/380 ... iginal.jpg
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1869078.html
brrrp - 800 meter long line of perforation and death
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Inadequate precision was a real issue in Kargil, where "a miss by a foot is a miss by a mile" or something like that. So if these bombs are fitted with proximity fuses and set to explode a couple of hundred feet above the ground, they could shred the infiltrators in uncovered sangars over a pretty wide area without needing much precision.tsarkar wrote:^^ You're thinking (correctly) in terms of range safety, but maybe you might want to think in terms of Kargil.
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^^^
That will impact any nearby friendlies as well.
That will impact any nearby friendlies as well.
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Yeah, the un precision work isn't for areas where friendlies are behind another rock exchanging bullets from hand held devices... 5-10 kms behind enemy line, this would do wonders.
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Tsarkar Please tell us. 12 mm is about 1/2 inch. Quite effective ball ammo to shred any soft area target. Odd that the bigger bomb has less number steel balls. So more velocity?
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With the Spice 250, I think the MKI should also be able to deploy at least 24 such weapons, gives new meaning to high volume precision strike in the IAF.
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Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9 , 2014
Ramana sahab,
not sure but there could be constraint on overall dimensions of the munition. longer/fatter may not be that much aerodynamic. just a guess.
not sure but there could be constraint on overall dimensions of the munition. longer/fatter may not be that much aerodynamic. just a guess.
Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9 , 2014
How about 12 CBU 105s on a SU 30 ? A big bang