Bharat Rakshak Forum Announcement

Hello Everyone,

A warm welcome back to the Bharat Rakshak Forum.

Important Notice: Due to a corruption in the BR forum database we regret to announce that data records relating to some of our registered users have been lost. We estimate approx. 500 user details are deleted.

To ease the process of recreating the user IDs we request members that have previously posted on the BR forums to recognise and identify their posts, once the posts are identified please contact the BRF moderator team by emailing BRF Mod Team with your post details.

The mod team will be able to update your username, email etc. so that the user history can be maintained.

Unfortunately for members that have never posted or have had all their posts deleted i.e. users that have 0 posts, we will be unable to recreate your account hence we request that you re-register again.

We apologise for any inconvenience caused and thank you for your understanding.

Regards,
Seetal

Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

The Military Issues & History Forum is a venue to discuss issues relating to the military aspects of the Indian Armed Forces, whether the past, present or future. We request members to kindly stay within the mandate of this forum and keep their exchanges of views, on a civilised level, however vehemently any disagreement may be felt. All feedback regarding forum usage may be sent to the moderators using the Feedback Form or by clicking the Report Post Icon in any objectionable post for proper action. Please note that the views expressed by the Members and Moderators on these discussion boards are that of the individuals only and do not reflect the official policy or view of the Bharat-Rakshak.com Website. Copyright Violation is strictly prohibited and may result in revocation of your posting rights - please read the FAQ for full details. Users must also abide by the Forum Guidelines at all times.
Karthik S
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3715
Joined: 18 Sep 2009 12:12

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Karthik S » 05 Dec 2016 19:56

Austin wrote:India to train Vietnam air force in flying Sukhoi

http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation ... 32654.html

Expanding its outreach in China's backyard, India will train Sukhoi-30 pilots of Vietnam.

The two sides today agreed to train the pilots. This is the second major training programme after Vietnamese Navy was trained by Indian Navy in operating Russian-origin kilo-class submarines.

The agreement was signed at a meeting between Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar and his Vietnamese counterpart Gen Ngo Xuan Lich on Monday in New Delhi.

Vietnam operates Sukhoi-30 MK2 while India operates the Sukhoi-30 MKI.


Indian flanker pilots will train Vietnamese flanker pilots who may fly against Chinese flanker pilots.

JayS
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2649
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby JayS » 05 Dec 2016 20:02

shiv wrote:
Austin wrote:
What function does grill intake louvres does , FOD ? Thanks

Being below the intakes and in direct line of dirt being thrown up from the runway I doubt it it is for FOD. But I don't know what they are for. Watching the video closely makes it seem like the wink open at low airspeed - maybe high angle of attack also to keep air coming into the engine even when the plane is slipping backwards in a manoeuvre.

There is one point in the video when the plane is almost stationary with nose pointed up and afterburners are on - so clearly it is not forward movement ramming air into the engines - they are sucking air. Possibly this is where the louvres play a role


Correct.

Mig29 has those louvres particularly for FOD prevention. In Mig29 during ground roll the main intakes are fully closed, thus the huge doors on the top to provide all the air from the top. In the later models this was dropped to save huge space they were eating up.

Su-27 has/had a mesh screen to stop FOD. Its eliminated in later models of flanker family now I guess.

Indranil
Forum Moderator
Posts: 5763
Joined: 02 Apr 2010 01:21

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Indranil » 05 Dec 2016 23:39

Those doors on the Su-27 family are called suction relief doors, aka auxiliary doors like those on the LCA. Actually, it is more similar to the letter box intakes that you see on the LCA Navy.

SaiK
BRF Oldie
Posts: 35362
Joined: 29 Oct 2003 12:31
Location: NowHere

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby SaiK » 05 Dec 2016 23:59

IMHO, Vietnamese are pretty fast learners.. They might be a good all-round support for both civil and mil ops including make in India initiatives

Aditya G
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3260
Joined: 19 Feb 2002 12:31
Contact:

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Aditya G » 06 Dec 2016 00:30

Swarajya mag linking Brahmos-Su30 as for SFC:

http://swarajyamag.com/insta/brahmos-cr ... march-2017

...In September 2010, India’s Strategic Forces Command (SFC) submitted a proposal to the Defence Ministry for setting up two dedicated squadrons of aircraft comprising 40 Su-30MKI air dominance fighters. In October 2012, the Cabinet Committee on Security gave the permission to make structural and software modifications on 42 Su-30MKIs and acquire 216 air-launched BrahMos missiles....

Austin
BRF Oldie
Posts: 19770
Joined: 23 Jul 2000 11:31

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Austin » 06 Dec 2016 23:42

Malaysia qualifies Paveway LGBs on its Su-30MKMs

http://www.malaysiandefence.com/lgbs-qu ... -flankers/

Rakesh
Webmaster BR
Posts: 3980
Joined: 15 Jan 2004 12:31
Location: Planet Earth
Contact:

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Rakesh » 29 Dec 2016 06:16


Austin
BRF Oldie
Posts: 19770
Joined: 23 Jul 2000 11:31

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Austin » 04 Jan 2017 17:12

Critical India-Russia Pact to Improve Fighter Aircraft Availability

New Delhi (Sputnik) — India and Russia are at an advanced stage of signing a long-term arrangement that includes the manufacturing some of the spares of Russian-made aircraft being assembled in India.

Sources say talks between both countries are at an advanced stage for setting up a logistics hub for its most lethal combat aircraft, the Su-30MKI, at the facilities of Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) in Bangalore. "Our status with Russia is much better than two years back. We have signed many of the contracts this year, very few are left. We are working on long-term arrangements including the manufacturing some of the spares in India. Earlier, there were some problems due to the need to change their [Russian] laws," Manohar Parrikar, India's Defense Minister, said.

delegation level talks are scheduled in March to sign the contract for improving spare parts availability including manufacturing some of them in India. Meanwhile, a significant improvement has witnessed in the availability of Sukhoi-30 fighter aircraft in last two years. "Sukhoi availability which had slipped to 46 per cent today is now above 63 per cent," Parrikar said.


The Indian Air Force (IAF) has finalized a long-term repair agreement with Russian original equipment manufacturers to improve the availability of aircraft for operational use. But it takes up to 18 months to deliver spare parts from Russia mainly due to cumbersome bureaucratic process and extensive documentation.

ranjan.rao
BRFite
Posts: 458
Joined: 15 Aug 2016 01:21

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby ranjan.rao » 04 Jan 2017 20:31

^^over a base of ~200 aircrafts 17% jump means an increase in availability of 34 aircrafts, which is close to 2 squadrons and also the number of rafales we are purchasing

ramana
Forum Moderator
Posts: 47920
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby ramana » 05 Jan 2017 00:28

There were supposed to be two more low level Astra flights from Chandipur.
Any updates on that?

Austin
BRF Oldie
Posts: 19770
Joined: 23 Jul 2000 11:31

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Austin » 05 Jan 2017 13:12

Comparing Rafale and MKI Purchase a simplistic comparison

Cost for MKI as per MOD figures each Sukhoi today cost $60 million , Let me do simple multiplication of 272 x 60 = ~ $16 billion that included TOT , Customisation of MKI , Infra , Local Manuf all included

Rafale $ 8.8 Billion for 36 aircraft ( no TOT ,Local Manuf ) each aircraft cost $244 million ( paid upfront for 5 years of LCC and 70 % uptimes ,50 % offsets )

Price difference in todays price between the two $7.2 billion , Extra Sukhoi for that price difference 236 more aircraft


Sukhoi uptimes today 63 % , Rafale uptimes projected 70-75 % , MKI uptimes will be get higher with the final goal to get 70 % uptime for MKI fleet

Aditya_V
BRF Oldie
Posts: 9227
Joined: 05 Apr 2006 16:25

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Aditya_V » 05 Jan 2017 18:30

But Rafale has a much RCS, AESA radar, Access to French weapons like MICA and Meteor, AASM etc which Chinese do not have like R-77, R-73 etc, plus Isareli and Nato weapons can be more easily intergrated with. So not exactly Apples to Apples.

Austin
BRF Oldie
Posts: 19770
Joined: 23 Jul 2000 11:31

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Austin » 05 Jan 2017 18:39

Aditya_V wrote:But Rafale has a much RCS, AESA radar, Access to French weapons like MICA and Meteor, AASM etc which Chinese do not have like R-77, R-73 etc, plus Isareli and Nato weapons can be more easily intergrated with. So not exactly Apples to Apples.


RCS don't matter once you carry external load and MKI are RAM treated, AESA point is taken but BARS mk3 is no slouch either , on weapons you can integrate any weapons on mki due to open architecture framework and source code availability

Rakesh
Webmaster BR
Posts: 3980
Joined: 15 Jan 2004 12:31
Location: Planet Earth
Contact:

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Rakesh » 09 Jan 2017 22:46

Raptor, Rambha & Growler among others....all in one frame!
https://twitter.com/OC_Jaguars/status/815087987935412224

This is an offical USAF Photo. I tried searching for the high resolution image at af.mil but no luck. If someone can find it, please post the link. Would be a great wallpaper image.

Rakesh
Webmaster BR
Posts: 3980
Joined: 15 Jan 2004 12:31
Location: Planet Earth
Contact:

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Rakesh » 09 Jan 2017 22:48

These crazy photos show a Russian Su-27 Flanker dogfighting with a U.S. Air Force F-16 inside Area 51
https://theaviationist.com/2017/01/06/these-crazy-photos-show-a-russian-su-27-flanker-dogfighting-with-a-u-s-air-force-f-16-inside-area-51/

brar_w
BRF Oldie
Posts: 5920
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby brar_w » 09 Jan 2017 22:50

David's made them better and clearer. I posted them back in November when they were originally published by the photographer.

kmkraoind
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3908
Joined: 27 Jun 2008 00:24

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby kmkraoind » 09 Jan 2017 23:19

Rakesh wrote:Raptor, Rambha & Growler among others....all in one frame!
https://twitter.com/OC_Jaguars/status/815087987935412224

This is an offical USAF Photo. I tried searching for the high resolution image at af.mil but no luck. If someone can find it, please post the link. Would be a great wallpaper image.


Google reverse image search has thrown this. Link Among this, this one has insane 5700 x 3900 pixels. Link

Rakesh
Webmaster BR
Posts: 3980
Joined: 15 Jan 2004 12:31
Location: Planet Earth
Contact:

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Rakesh » 09 Jan 2017 23:25

dude, you are amazing. Thank you sir!

Kartik
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3469
Joined: 04 Feb 2004 12:31

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Kartik » 10 Jan 2017 00:43

India seeks to manufacture spare parts for Su-30MKI

India's Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) aims to begin manufacturing components and spare parts for the Sukhoi Su-30MKI multirole fighters it licence-builds for the Indian Air Force (IAF).

A HAL official told IHS Jane's on condition of anonymity that India and Russia are negotiating a transfer of technology that would enable the company to locally produce 322 Su-30MKI line replaceable units (LRUs) under the Indian government's 'Make in India' initiative.


"HAL is in advanced talks with Russia to make these LRUs," said the official on 9 January, adding that the company is likely to involve public and private sector firms in the venture at a later stage.

Rakesh
Webmaster BR
Posts: 3980
Joined: 15 Jan 2004 12:31
Location: Planet Earth
Contact:

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Rakesh » 12 Jan 2017 21:28

Serviceability of Su-30, helicopter fleet have risen over 60 per cent
http://indianexpress.com/article/india/serviceability-of-su-30-helicopter-fleet-have-risen-over-60-percent-manohar-parrikar-4471113/

"Customer satisfaction is so much important that in the first one year I was having complaints on a daily basis; today hardly any complaints come," Parrikar said.

Cosmo_R
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3328
Joined: 24 Apr 2010 01:24

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Cosmo_R » 12 Jan 2017 22:26

^^^Rafale vs SU30 simplistic cost comparison:

50% offset + 50 year service agreement

Cybaru
BRFite
Posts: 1924
Joined: 12 Jun 2000 11:31
Contact:

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Cybaru » 12 Jan 2017 22:47

So it seems that the sukhoi line will get another 50 plane order. That seems reasonable. Did the order for Brahmos-M capable Su-30 get executed?

Austin
BRF Oldie
Posts: 19770
Joined: 23 Jul 2000 11:31

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Austin » 12 Jan 2017 22:52

Rakesh wrote:Serviceability of Su-30, helicopter fleet have risen over 60 per cent
http://indianexpress.com/article/india/serviceability-of-su-30-helicopter-fleet-have-risen-over-60-percent-manohar-parrikar-4471113/

"Customer satisfaction is so much important that in the first one year I was having complaints on a daily basis; today hardly any complaints come," Parrikar said.


He gets that right on the need to have higher availability and that leads to lesser buys .......Hope he can achieve that figure to 70 % for fighter , transport and chopper fleet.

He seems to have failed in rationalising the fleet that stuff is as important to improve availability and lower opex

Austin
BRF Oldie
Posts: 19770
Joined: 23 Jul 2000 11:31

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Austin » 12 Jan 2017 22:54

Cybaru wrote:So it seems that the sukhoi line will get another 50 plane order. That seems reasonable. Did the order for Brahmos-M capable Su-30 get executed?


where did you get that another 50 plane , the total order for MKI stands at 272 aircraft that has been the case for some years now and we are today at 200 + MKI in service

Cybaru
BRFite
Posts: 1924
Joined: 12 Jun 2000 11:31
Contact:

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Cybaru » 12 Jan 2017 22:56

Kartik wrote:India seeks to manufacture spare parts for Su-30MKI
are negotiating a transfer of technology that would enable the company to locally produce 322 Su-30MKI line replaceable units (LRUs) under the Indian government's 'Make in India' initiative.


I presume the the 322 number is the eventual run number. No order yet, but will probably will happen. Am I reading this wrong? MKI will be at 16-17 squadrons in total.

ashishvikas
BRFite
Posts: 184
Joined: 17 Oct 2016 14:18

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby ashishvikas » 12 Jan 2017 23:25

Cybaru wrote:
Kartik wrote:India seeks to manufacture spare parts for Su-30MKI
are negotiating a transfer of technology that would enable the company to locally produce 322 Su-30MKI line replaceable units (LRUs) under the Indian government's 'Make in India' initiative.


I presume the the 322 number is the eventual run number. No order yet, but will probably will happen. Am I reading this wrong? MKI will be at 16-17 squadrons in total.


I think 322 are number of LRUs (not number of MKIs).

Cybaru
BRFite
Posts: 1924
Joined: 12 Jun 2000 11:31
Contact:

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Cybaru » 13 Jan 2017 01:36

Okay, that makes more sense. My bad.

Rakesh
Webmaster BR
Posts: 3980
Joined: 15 Jan 2004 12:31
Location: Planet Earth
Contact:

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Rakesh » 13 Jan 2017 02:01

cybaru: please check PM :)

Austin
BRF Oldie
Posts: 19770
Joined: 23 Jul 2000 11:31

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Austin » 15 Jan 2017 12:10

Indian Su-30MKI Aircraft To Last 30-40 Years In Service: IAF Chief

http://www.defenseworld.net/news/18066/ ... HsXEn1cuPU

Indian Air Force (IAF) Sukhoi Su-30MKI aircraft currently in service is said to last for another 30-40 years in operation, IAF chief Arup Raha said.

Raha during a press conference in New Delhi on Wednesday said that India has enough numbers of Sukhois in service that will last for another 30-40 years.

India so far has more than 200 planes delivered, and the Su-30MKI is the most numerous of the multirole fighters currently in service with the IAF.

However, Raha stressed on adding medium weight fighters to the IAF aircraft fleet. “Over the next 10 years, we must have 200-250 aircraft. It has to be balanced out. In the heavy weight spectrum, we have enough. But in the medium weight category, we need to have more. Yes, about 200 will be very good,” the Air Chief said Economic Times.

shiv
BRF Oldie
Posts: 33727
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30
Location: Pindliyon ka Gooda

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby shiv » 15 Jan 2017 14:35

Some Su-30 facts from Dr Sanjay Badri-Maharaj
Says the chief of HAL's Nashik facility, S Subrahmanyan: "More 51 per cent of the Su-30MKI by value is currently made in India, a little more than the 49 per cent agreed with Russia in the contract signed in 2000 to build 140 fighters in India. Of the 43,000 components that go into a Su-30MKI, 31,500 components - or 73 per cent - are now being built in India. Further indigenisation is blocked since the Indo-Russian contract mandates that all raw material that goes into the Su-30MKI - including 5,800 titanium blocks and forgings, aluminium and steel plates, etc - must be sourced from Russia. The contract also stipulates that another 7,146 items like nuts, bolts, screws and rivets must be sourced from Russia. HAL has also partially indigenised the Su-30MKI's giant AL-31FP engines, which are built in Koraput, Odisha. Fifty-three per cent of the engine by cost has been indigenised, with the remaining 47 per cent consisting of high-tech composites and special alloys - proprietary secrets that Russia will not part with. Even so, HAL builds 87.7 per cent of the engine's components in India.
...
BTW those nuts and bolts are high strength alloy material. Unless HAL goes into fastener business it's ok to import. Further those raw materials and forgings again value added is in machining. So should look at cost basis.


Cosmo_R
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3328
Joined: 24 Apr 2010 01:24

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Cosmo_R » 15 Jan 2017 23:33

shiv wrote:Some Su-30 facts from Dr Sanjay Badri-Maharaj
Says the chief of HAL's Nashik facility, S Subrahmanyan: "More 51 per cent of the Su-30MKI by value is currently made in India, a little more than the 49 per cent agreed with Russia in the contract signed in 2000 to build 140 fighters in India. .....
...
BTW those nuts and bolts are high strength alloy material. Unless HAL goes into fastener business it's ok to import. Further those raw materials and forgings again value added is in machining. So should look at cost basis.



" S Subrahmanyan: "More 51 per cent of the Su-30MKI by value is currently made in India'

How do we square cost basis with ~half the cost being imported from Russia? HAL does not have to go into the fastener business but isn't the stuff that ecosystems are for? SMEs who churn out the nuts and bolts leveraging their machining skills to find other domestic and foreign markets outside the a/c business for example.

Just asking.

Rakesh
Webmaster BR
Posts: 3980
Joined: 15 Jan 2004 12:31
Location: Planet Earth
Contact:

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Rakesh » 17 Jan 2017 05:10

If these were posted earlier, my apologies....

IAF plans for dedicated satellite on track; Sukhoi to fire BrahMos in 3 months
http://english.mathrubhumi.com/news/india/iaf-plans-for-dedicated-satellite-on-track-sukhoi-to-fire-brahmos-in-3-months-aste--1.1402970
Oct 04, 2016

Top Gun Sukhoi pilot in an inspiring role as ASTE Commandant
http://english.mathrubhumi.com/features/specials/top-gun-sukhoi-pilot-in-an-inspiring-role-as-aste-commandant-air-vice-marshal-sandeep-singh-avm-1.1405428
Oct 05, 2016

Hailing from Delhi, AVM Sandeep has been serving the IAF since 1983 and today he is the leading pilot who knows the frontline Sukhois like the back of his hand.

Can someone please identify the missile in the above link?

andy B
BRFite
Posts: 1571
Joined: 05 Jun 2008 11:03
Location: Gora Paki

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby andy B » 17 Jan 2017 06:51

Saar thats an CATM 84 D (captive carry training missile) Harpoon onlee

Not sure in background if its an IN or IAF dhruv as its blurry as hell...Not sure if this is at a Jag or a P8 I Neptune base!

Rakesh
Webmaster BR
Posts: 3980
Joined: 15 Jan 2004 12:31
Location: Planet Earth
Contact:

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Rakesh » 17 Jan 2017 07:50

Thanks Andy! If it a Jag base (which I suspect it is) then it is No 6 Dragons Sqn at Jamnagar AFS. If it is the P-8I base, then it is INS Rajali in Tamil Nadu. Being an IAF officer, greater odds is that it is an IAF base itself.

Cybaru
BRFite
Posts: 1924
Joined: 12 Jun 2000 11:31
Contact:

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Cybaru » 17 Jan 2017 07:56

Don;t be so sure Rakesh! ;)

Rakesh
Webmaster BR
Posts: 3980
Joined: 15 Jan 2004 12:31
Location: Planet Earth
Contact:

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Rakesh » 17 Jan 2017 08:05

I am not saying I am right, just guessing. AFAIK, the two airbases where air launched Harpoons are stored is at Jamnagar for the Jaguar IM and Arokannam in Tamil Nadu for the P-8Is. Now if that is not either, then the third base I can think of is somewhere at the Mumbai naval base where sub launched Harpoons are kept for the Shishumat Class boats.

shiv
BRF Oldie
Posts: 33727
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30
Location: Pindliyon ka Gooda

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby shiv » 17 Jan 2017 08:06

Rakesh wrote:Thanks Andy! If it a Jag base (which I suspect it is) then it is No 6 Dragons Sqn at Jamnagar AFS. If it is the P-8I base, then it is INS Rajali in Tamil Nadu. Being an IAF officer, greater odds is that it is an IAF base itself.

Rakesh it is ASTE Bengaluru

Rakesh
Webmaster BR
Posts: 3980
Joined: 15 Jan 2004 12:31
Location: Planet Earth
Contact:

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Rakesh » 17 Jan 2017 08:09

Damn...I was way off :oops:

It was in the article itself :rotfl: :oops:

Indranil
Forum Moderator
Posts: 5763
Joined: 02 Apr 2010 01:21

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Indranil » 17 Jan 2017 09:20

andy B wrote:Not sure in background if its an IN or IAF dhruv as its blurry as hell...Not sure if this is at a Jag or a P8 I Neptune base!

It says Bharatiya Vayu Sena on the boom.

ramana
Forum Moderator
Posts: 47920
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby ramana » 18 Jan 2017 04:12

Cosmo_R wrote:
shiv wrote:Some Su-30 facts from Dr Sanjay Badri-Maharaj


" S Subrahmanyan: "More 51 per cent of the Su-30MKI by value is currently made in India'

How do we square cost basis with ~half the cost being imported from Russia? HAL does not have to go into the fastener business but isn't the stuff that ecosystems are for? SMEs who churn out the nuts and bolts leveraging their machining skills to find other domestic and foreign markets outside the a/c business for example.

Just asking.


A simpler way is to look at his talk this way

Plane India Russia
Value 51% 49%
Parts 31,500 11,500

Imports 5800 + 7146 = 12,946 close enough. These represent the 49% import costs.
Indian 51% includes cost of machining, assembly, integration and test.

Engine India Russia
Value 53% 47%
Parts ~88% ~12%

The 12 % imports cost the 47%

Also means Indian labor addition is low priced and cant blame HAL for high price. And the Russians are getting a big benefit in this deal.

Cosmo_R, Those nuts and bolts require double melt refiing and high grade strength. Unless MII picks up in aerospace mfg expect import of high quality aerospace fasteners.


Return to “Military Issues & History Forum”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Anoop, Atmavik, Ganimi_Kawa, gauravsharma, kaushik m, ravikr, rohiths, schinnas and 51 guests