Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

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https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 28418?s=20 ---> Meanwhile aircraft overhaul division in Nashik, has completed overhaul of 15 Su-30MKIs in 2020.
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https://twitter.com/Firezstarter1/statu ... 50560?s=20 ---> So, as surmised, number of TRMs used was correct (16 TRM linear array version). Can well be used for both the Tejas and Su-30 if ERP is high enough. Pic credit: DDR, VP Singh respectively.

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https://twitter.com/DefenceDecode/statu ... 21504?s=20 ---> Advanced Self Protection Jamming Pod (ASPJ) by DRDO's Defence Avionics Research Establishment (DARE).

* Uses 16 element active array T/R unit
* Air-cooled system
* Proto Manufactured
* Soon to begin testing with the IAF

AATRU can change the angular direction of its radiation pattern electronically by imposing a suitable phase shift among the radiating elements using phase shifter in each T/R Module.

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https://twitter.com/DefenceDecode/statu ... 94948?s=20 ---> And the 2nd POD is a Dual-Colour Missile Approach Warning System for the Su-30MKI. It is a modified HADF pod. Designed to protect aircraft from SAMs and AAMs. The spectral info of two colours is used to discriminate efficiently between sunlight reflections, BG radiation and radiation from missiles.

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

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^^^
So the DCMAWS is pod based (and not pylon based). Assuming would require two outer wing stations (one on either side) to provide a decent coverage. Won’t be full 360 degrees though.


Setup looks to be: ASPJs on the wing tips and DCMAWS on the outermost wing pylons.
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HAL nears end of long Su-30MKI production run
https://www.flightglobal.com/defence/ha ... 01.article
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srai wrote:^^^
So the DCMAWS is pod based (and not pylon based). Assuming would require two outer wing stations (one on either side) to provide a decent coverage. Won’t be full 360 degrees though.


Setup looks to be: ASPJs on the wing tips and DCMAWS on the outermost wing pylons.
Eventual product will be a pylon based product. This is just a test article to evaluate and test the systems.
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Rakesh wrote:HAL nears end of long Su-30MKI production run
https://www.flightglobal.com/defence/ha ... 01.article
05 Feb 2021
Not a easy task but can this line be re-used for Tejas ?
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nits wrote:
Rakesh wrote:HAL nears end of long Su-30MKI production run
https://www.flightglobal.com/defence/ha ... 01.article
05 Feb 2021
Not a easy task but can this line be re-used for Tejas ?
Su-30MKI overhaul capacity being increased from 15/year to 25/year. Plus, “Super Sukhoi” MLU for 274 units coming up.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6842&start=3880#p2482364
HAL is now in the process of ramping its capacity to overhaul the SU-30MKIs from 15 aircraft per year to 25.
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A major upgrade programme for the entire fleet is under negotiation with Russia to give the aircraft better radar, avionics and weapons among others.
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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

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Astra on the outermost wing pylon

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Looks to be four stations cleared (older design carriage trails)

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

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The ejector launcher for the Astra is still nowhere in sight. So it is good that it is cleared for the outer pylon as well. The MKI will still be restricted to a maximum of 6 Astras for now which will be practically reduced to 4 since the outer pylons will probably carry R-73's and the wingtip pylons used for the SAP-518's.
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https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 29952?s=20 ---> Contrary to some reports, Indian Su-30MKIs currently do not rely on any Israeli jammers. SAP-518 & SAP-14 are the standard EW pods of IAF MKI fleet. The threat library of both have been updated extensively with ESM data gathered by IAF. Yes, in past El-8222 was used but now very rare.

https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 47233?s=20 ---> SAP-518 is an extensive upgrade pf Sorbtsiya-S with advanced digital electronics, new architecture, better processor & DRFM. It has a wideband phased array & a steerable main lobe to maximize the Jam/Signal ratio at the threat emitter.

https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 58145?s=20 ---> SAP-518 & SAP-14 combination will cover pretty much all major threat emitters:

SAP-14 for jamming all ground surveillance radars & AWACS in bands:
* L-band, 1-2 GHz
* S-band, 2-4 GHz

SAP-518 for the FCS radars of fighters & SAMs:
* C-band, 4-8GHz
* X-band, 8-12GHz FCS band
* Ku-band, 12-18GHz missile seeker band

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https://twitter.com/KUNALBI25146617/sta ... 57216?s=20 ---> DARE's Advanced Self Protection Jammer at DRDO stall from Aero India 2021. Based on GaN AESA tech, will be part of Su-30MKI upgrade and superior to the Russian SAP-518 & light weight.

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https://youtu.be/4zT1xVxIg84

Interesting mki video. But I can't place the tanker at 2.5 mark. Definitely not the il78. didn't have any markings that I could see either. Very strange. Was the video taken during an exercise? Or is this part of India's lemoa deal?

Added later: it's USN. probly part of malabar ex.
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Cain Marko wrote:
Added later: it's USN. probly part of malabar ex.
It is an A330. Maybe they had leased it.
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That’s probably an Australian tanker.
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^^^^ footage is from pitch black, IIRC its pitch black 18 operating feom RAAF Darwin and Tyndall. The tanker could be RAAF or FAF as the French participated with Rafale and Phenix tankers.
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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

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https://twitter.com/syedmohdmurtaza/sta ... 19362?s=20 ---> 7 Su-30MKI at Srinagar Air Force base, must be during regular sorties along LAC in Eastern Ladakh and to check any misadventure from PoK. At 270+ in numbers, Sukhois are the new MiG-21 of the IAF.

https://twitter.com/vkthakur/status/136 ... 88896?s=20 ---> At one point in time, in the late seventies, the Indian Air Force had nearly 30 MiG-21 squadrons! Almost twice the number of Su-30MKIs. However, a Su-30MKI has at least 4x the strike power of a MiG-21!

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brar_w wrote:That’s probably an Australian tanker.
nachiket wrote:It is an A330. Maybe they had leased it.
andy B wrote:^^^^ footage is from pitch black, IIRC its pitch black 18 operating feom RAAF Darwin and Tyndall. The tanker could be RAAF or FAF as the French participated with Rafale and Phenix tankers.
Thank you gentlemen. I was totally forgetting the Aussies. Forgettable types, really.;)
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https://twitter.com/TheAvenger82/status ... 98851?s=20 ---> HAL has proposed to upgrade the 12 additional Sukhoi order of IAF into Super Sukhoi with kits that HAL has developed along with its partners in DRDO. First, 2 aircraft will be technology demonstrator aircraft to integrate and test all the proposed upgrades to the aircraft.

https://twitter.com/HALHQBLR/status/137 ... 44576?s=20 ---> HAL’s Nashik Division completes production from Raw Material phase (Phase IV) of 140 Sukhoi 30 MKI aircraft contract.

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Is pricing an issue for additional SU30 MKIs that India is negotiating? Is Mig29 x 21 order also moving slowly due to pricing ?

Post S400, Russians can see they dont have a lot to offer us anymore. Are they trying to get a good last bite ?
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YashG wrote:Is pricing an issue for additional SU30 MKIs that India is negotiating? Is Mig29 x 21 order also moving slowly due to pricing ?

Post S400, Russians can see they dont have a lot to offer us anymore. Are they trying to get a good last bite ?
https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 23650?s=20 ---> Additional 12 Su-30MKI order: "Russians have quoted a very high (price) and negotiations are under way," says a defence official.
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So my suspicions when 10k crores for 12 Su 30 were correct, it is indeed a super Sukhoi proposal.
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Aditya_V wrote:So my suspicions when 10k crores for 12 Su 30 were correct, it is indeed a super Sukhoi proposal.
At $115M/each. Better dump them and buy 3 more squadrons of the Tejas MK1A for the same money.
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Russians have become very greedy. They did not learn a lesson when they quoted an insane amount to modify the SU30 MKI to carry the Brahmos. IIRC, we did it on our own at less then 20% of the amount quoted.
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The DAC cleared HAL quote under "Make in India", we do not know the Russian Cost VS Indian Add ons, I do not think the whole INR 10K crore was Sukhoi quote.

At USD 115 million with Indian AESA, Indian Jammer, SDR etc it will be worth it. the Russians know this and want maximum slice of SU-30 upgrade pie, we want the reverse. Lets see where the negotiations end up.
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Mort Walker wrote:
Aditya_V wrote:So my suspicions when 10k crores for 12 Su 30 were correct, it is indeed a super Sukhoi proposal.
At $115M/each. Better dump them and buy 3 more squadrons of the Tejas MK1A for the same money.
If HAL wants to use these as prototypes for the Super Sukhoi upgrade then it needs to be done. We have 13 squadrons of MKI's, all of which are going to serve for a long time to come and really need that upgrade. Besides, HAL's proposal includes primarily indigenous components in the upgrade. If we can include a scaled up Uttam in it instead of a new Russian radar, that is icing on the cake.
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I also think russians are probaby not sticky on the additional 12 Sukhoi - they are looking to do maximum upgrade stuff. But we'd be way better off upgrading MKI by ourselves, even if we do not get additional 12 MKI.
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Remember, we are producing Su-30MKI from raw material stage! The materials are SO raw, that we need permission from Russia to build them.

The tripe that MoD and HAL will conjure in their annual reports is astounding!
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Well the raw material stage means we process some of the raw material into parts and build the aircraft. Per contract, a lot of the raw material comes from Russia. On the plus side, that restriction is lifted for spares etc. So we can do alloy replacement and also process replacement. And after Parrikars intervention, a lot of the remaining parts that were only being made in Russia were to be indigenized in India with MSME/pvt sector involvement. This bodes well for long term Flanker sustainment.
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If we make parts from RAW materials from Russia - is that counted towards indian content? that will be bogus...
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How so? Think for a while. We design and develop a lot of stuff that is based off of commercial items sourced from worldwide manufacturers. That is indigenous. It all depends on how far or up the value chain you wish to define indigenization at. Its best to see where the most value is added by cost, localize that, then move to what's denied.
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https://twitter.com/IAF_MCC/status/1373 ... 86816?s=20 ---> Air warriors & their magnificent machine, all geared up for action. Su-30MKI ready for the mission.

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https://twitter.com/Aerodynamic111/stat ... 47300?s=20 ---> Su-30MKI with DRDO Gaurav - Long Range Glide Bomb (LRGB)

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Rakesh wrote:Remember, we are producing Su-30MKI from raw material stage! The materials are SO raw, that we need permission from Russia to build them.

The tripe that MoD and HAL will conjure in their annual reports is astounding!
We can criticize as much as we like but the fact that the Su 30 MKI is tha platform on which Astra, Brahmos and many new weapons are tested and inducted shows to me we have far more IP in this than the M 2000 or the Mig 29, while it not an Indian design like Tejas, this is a foreign platform where we have more access than even the Jaguar. We probably have learnt a lot from the LCA Tejas and Su 30.MKI programs which is quite evident. It is a potent platform and is feared by the PAF.
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Rakesh wrote:https://twitter.com/Aerodynamic111/stat ... 47300?s=20 ---> Su-30MKI with DRDO Gaurav - Long Range Glide Bomb (LRGB)
I am aware of winged Gauthma with 100 Km range & non-winged Garuda with 30 Km range, but not Gaurav. Is that some renaming or something new?
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^^^

ASB —> (550kg / 30km) —> Garuda —> Gautam

LRGB (1000kg / with deployable wings 100km) —> Garuthmma —> Gaurav


Different warheads available
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https://twitter.com/AviationWall/status ... 74373?s=20 ---> You can’t blend in when you are born to stand out. The Aviators of the Indian Air Force with their bird Su-30MKI.

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Astra Mk1 BVRAAM between the intakes of a Su-30MKI

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Rakesh wrote:https://twitter.com/AviationWall/status ... 74373?s=20 ---> You can’t blend in when you are born to stand out. The Aviators of the Indian Air Force with their bird Su-30MKI.
What's the pod/device hanging off the outer pylon on the starboard wing? ACMI pod with a cover on it?
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Litening i think. I could be wrong.
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