Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

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Vivek K wrote:Rakesh already cleared the matter and I took his explanation as clearing up my misunderstanding.
Not me, but John ---> viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6842&p=2467647#p2467647
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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

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Vivek K, I objected to you calling it DDMitis considering who it was from. Your misinterpretation of what was said by itself would not have been a problem. Anyone can make that mistake. If you did not check who made the original statement as well before replying, then you can hardly blame me for calling it out.
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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

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nachiket wrote:Vivek K, I objected to you calling it DDMitis considering who it was from. Your misinterpretation of what was said by itself would not have been a problem. Anyone can make that mistake. If you did not check who made the original statement as well before replying, then you can hardly blame me for calling it out.
Wow! I'm sorry i don't share your sensitivity over a non-issue. And the correction was pointed out by another Admin. Your repeated harassment is not appreciated. The way twitter posts are posted on the forum, it is also difficult to make out who the poster is.
But if you chose to take uncalled for umbrage, then that is your prerogative.
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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

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https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 58017?s=20 ---> IAF Su-30MKI CMDS testing station.

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FWIW....

Detailed Analysis of Indian Super Sukhoi, A Jet With 5th Gen Capabilities!
https://www.defencexp.com/detailed-anal ... abilities/

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https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 03747?s=20 ---> Report: Fibre Optic Towed Decoys (FOTD) will be a part of IAFs Su-30 MKI upgrade. FOTDs increases potency of jamming, protects against doppler effect based detection and also defends against BVRAAMs with HoJ modes.
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Vayu shares some great shots of Rambha, first time I am seeing the BARS in an RF Anechoic Chamber'

https://twitter.com/ReviewVayu/status/1 ... 73856?s=20

Check the thread above. Credits to Vayu.

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

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Is Rhambha flying with a SPJ pod in the pic above?
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what would be the purpose of such a test with the radar?
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Vivek K wrote:Is Rhambha flying with a SPJ pod in the pic above?
Looks like a Litening target pod.
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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

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fanne wrote:what would be the purpose of such a test with the radar?
Calibration, i believe?
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https://twitter.com/ReviewVayu/status/1 ... 96641?s=20 ---> Our visit to HAL's Su-30 Sub Assembly Complex and Su-30MKI Final Assembly Shop was a few years ago.

https://twitter.com/ReviewVayu/status/1 ... 99749?s=20 ---> More photos of a factory visit to HAL's Su-30 Sub Assembly Complex and Su-30MKI Final Assembly Shop/ For a size check -- have a look at the man standing along the landing gear/wheel!

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https://twitter.com/PrudentHermit/statu ... 34338?s=20 ---> Su-30MKI, from No 30 Rhinos Squadron, during a visit to a RAF Base probably for Exercise Indradhanush.

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https://twitter.com/proshillong/status/ ... 13920?s=20 ---> What we Promise...We Deliver..!!

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Indranil on Twitter
Four MKIs being modified for Astra MKII flight trials.

10:46 PM · Dec 14, 2020
Also see https://mobile.twitter.com/DefenceDecod ... 7474196480
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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

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You beat me to here :D
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Indranil wrote:You beat me to here :D
:lol:
Given that even no ground testing has began, what's the realistic time line for first Su-30MKI's launch? I hope it will be much faster than that of Astra, may be in 2 years?
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Serial of the four Su-30MKIs are out...

https://twitter.com/Nexoft034/status/13 ... 45217?s=20 ---> IAF allotted four Su-30MKIs (SB108, SB023, SB214 and SB332) for testing Astra Mk1UT with EO Sensor and Astra Mk2 in coming weeks.
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Is the Astra MK2 the dual pulse rocket or the SFDR rocket/ramjet?
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sudeepj wrote:Is the Astra MK2 the dual pulse rocket or the SFDR rocket/ramjet?
Dual pulse motor.
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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

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Rakesh wrote:....for testing Astra Mk1UT with EO Sensor .....
What is this now?
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nachiket wrote:
Rakesh wrote:....for testing Astra Mk1UT with EO Sensor .....
What is this now?
IR homing Astra.
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the IR homing Astra is ready for flight trials?!
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Any information about range with IR Homing? Just IR or radar too?
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I think 110 km now,160 km later with the Er Astra. Astra is to be alsointegrated with the 29s,29Ks,M2Ks except for the Rafale.Tejas to come too.I recollect a few air shows ago,a DRDO boffin telling me about Astra ,then of relatively modest interest, and how it would be a real game-changer for the IAF when inducted. That moment has now come. What is particularly pleasing is the low cost of Astra when compared with Meteor, etc. Equally important is the first AESA radar fitted to the Jags, Darin-3 std., of the ELTA - 2052
AESA radar. Not sure what self defence AAMs the Jags will be able to carry in addition to their payloads,plus the overwing mounts .
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There was some post few years ago - i dont remember when - that India will become self-reliant in missiles and sensors and much of radars in the next decade across most of the platforms. that might come true. we might still import some silver bullets i guess.
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DRDO head Satheesh Reddy has said in an interview that by 2023-24 India will be totally self reliant in Sensor & Seekers.
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jamwal wrote:Any information about range with IR Homing? Just IR or radar too?
Would be interesting to have dual sensors , only two AAM missiles , one Israeli and one Chinese have dual sensors
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The Astra IR will be slightly smaller then the Astra MK1 and is expected to have a maximum range of upto 60 Kms. For an IR missile, this is great and will put it on par with the Mica-IR and even better than ASRAAM. The new larger indigenous focal plan array has been the real game changer!!

Astra MK1 is expected to cost around Rs. 7-8 crores each. The price can reduce if the quantity is increased. The MK2 version will cost a little more. However, given that we will require these missiles in the thousands to equip the Su-30MKIs, Mig-29s, Tejas and maybe M2K as well, the prices may reduce.
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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

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Is that a light for those night time A2A refuelings, near the root of the Probe?

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MeshaVishwas wrote:Is that a light for those night time A2A refuelings, near the root of the Probe?
Correct
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https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 57409?s=20 ---> India to develop indigenous IRST for Su-30MKI fleet. Sanction given for the project. Will have far superior performance and detection ranges compared to the current IRSTs on the Sukhois.

https://twitter.com/ReviewVayu/status/1 ... 47746?s=20 ---> Under 'Make-II Scheme', IAF has issued Project Sanction Order (PSO) for prototype development to undertake Design & Development of Chaff/Flares, IRST for Su-30, Foldable Fibreglass Mats, 125 kg bombs & Fuze for aerial bombs has been awarded to Indian Industry.

https://twitter.com/hukum2082/status/13 ... 78753?s=20 ---> Fibreglass mats aren't related to the Su-30MKI. Has to be for rapid runway repair.
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I was looking at one of the videos on youtube that spoke about desi upgrade options for Su-30 MKI fleet. but the video ended by saying that the update might end up making the fighter heavier.
If it does end up making the fighter heavier, why cant we just remove the thrust vectoring system. That alone per the previous discussions should make the fighter lighter by 500Kg's.
I know that we might have to end up writing the FBW code, but how tough would it be to rewrite it?
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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

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Rakesh wrote:...
The uttam AESA 2 for the 30 MKI if GaN is likely to pack more of the TRM modules due to smaller size ? also being a Quad TRM
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https://www.aeromag.in/Magazines/9848624845.pdf

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Towards Su-30 ROH [Repair and Overhaul], HAL team has indigenised 4843 part out of 7597 making it 63.75%.

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srai wrote:https://www.aeromag.in/Magazines/9848624845.pdf

Page 36
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Towards Su-30 ROH [Repair and Overhaul], HAL team has indigenised 4843 part out of 7597 making it 63.75%.

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Light Combat Aircraft Mk-1A variant is an indigenously designed, developed and manufactured state-of-the-art modern 4+ generation fighter aircraft. This aircraft is equipped with critical operational capabilities of Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) Radar, Beyond Visual Range (BVR) Missile, Electronic Warfare (EW) Suite and Air to Air Refuelling (AAR) would be a potent platform to meet the operational requirements of Indian Air Force, IAF. It is the first “Buy (Indian-Indigenously Designed, Developed and Manufactured)” category procurement of combat aircrafts with an indigenous content of 50% which will progressively reach 60% by the end of the programme.
https://pib.gov.in/PressReleseDetail.aspx?PRID=1688287

thats higher than LCA's indigenous content??
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bharathp wrote:
Light Combat Aircraft Mk-1A variant is an indigenously designed, developed and manufactured state-of-the-art modern 4+ generation fighter aircraft. This aircraft is equipped with critical operational capabilities of Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) Radar, Beyond Visual Range (BVR) Missile, Electronic Warfare (EW) Suite and Air to Air Refuelling (AAR) would be a potent platform to meet the operational requirements of Indian Air Force, IAF. It is the first “Buy (Indian-Indigenously Designed, Developed and Manufactured)” category procurement of combat aircrafts with an indigenous content of 50% which will progressively reach 60% by the end of the programme.
https://pib.gov.in/PressReleseDetail.aspx?PRID=1688287

thats higher than LCA's indigenous content??
Remember the Su-30's radar and engine are technically "Made in India" hence indigenous
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TVC gives great manouvreability for air combat ,snap missile evasive capability too. It's one of the key factors making the aircraft what it is.The increased weight cannot be excessive as mostly avionics and radar are being considered for replacement. If newer engines are also progressively introduced at some point of time ,the weight issue shouldn't be a problem. I would advocate also building a few prototypes with the new engines that are being used on the SU-57/35 to see how much extra performance they give. The only reason for no new engines appears to be budgetary considerations for the time being.The biggest kick I've experienced was walking underneath the SU-30's fuselage when it first arrived!
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