Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby sunnyv » 01 Feb 2019 01:40

nam wrote:For one ASRAAM is modern than R73. Second I believe it is longer ranged than R73, reaching near BVR .

Read somewhere it can be integrated with aircraft radar(i presume datalink for near BVR shot).

Regarding SU30 weapons, there was a comment by Israeli rep in one of the defence show, that Derby was integrated with LCA & SU30.

He was trying to sell Derby-ER, so I will wait for more confirmation.


Not related directly to MKI. But 9 years back on this very forum I posted, about ASRAAM being considered by IAF for LCA as well as Mirage. Link
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=5058&start=2120#p858761

That time no one believed it, in-fact made fun of.
Left this forum for 9 years. Huge gap I know.
Today learnt about this news and started laughing at those arm chair experts.

Anyways world is small- What started as hobby to follow armed forces has landed me as part of services and olive green uniform in 9 years time.
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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Rakesh » 01 Feb 2019 01:42

Sunny, thank you for your service.

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby sunnyv » 01 Feb 2019 01:48

Rakesh wrote:Sunny, thank you for your service.


Thanks for keeping the account active "MOD". Never thought that my account would survive for such long time, that too in inactive form.

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby nam » 01 Feb 2019 02:16

sunnyv wrote:That time no one believed it, in-fact made fun of.
Left this forum for 9 years. Huge gap I know.
Today learnt about this news and started laughing at those arm chair experts.

Anyways world is small- What started as hobby to follow armed forces has landed me as part of services and olive green uniform in 9 years time.
Regards


Thank you for your service to the nation. All the very best.

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Indranil » 01 Feb 2019 02:49

sunnyv wrote:Anyways world is small- What started as hobby to follow armed forces has landed me as part of services and olive green uniform in 9 years time.
Regards

Wow! Thank you for your service to the nation. And, welcome back! It is an honour to have you here.

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Yagnasri » 01 Feb 2019 09:50

Good to know that you followed your interest and now serving our nation sirji.

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Manish_P » 01 Feb 2019 10:56

Indranil wrote:
sunnyv wrote:Anyways world is small- What started as hobby to follow armed forces has landed me as part of services and olive green uniform in 9 years time.
Regards

Wow! Thank you for your service to the nation. And, welcome back! It is an honour to have you here.


Hear hear!

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby ks_sachin » 01 Feb 2019 12:38

Sunnyv thanks for walking the walk.

Since you are army great if you could meander over to the small arms thread and "observe" some of our musings on the small arms menagerie.

Anyway great to have u back.

"Tagra Raho"

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Austin » 08 Feb 2019 21:04

Su-35 firing its 30 mm GSH-30-1 Gun .....Notice the vibration of aircraft

https://vk.com/video-104764077_456248536

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Sid » 08 Feb 2019 23:31

Austin wrote:Su-35 firing its 30 mm GSH-30-1 Gun .....Notice the vibration of aircraft

https://vk.com/video-104764077_456248536


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvMg3untjug

another gun firing video, but vibration is not that apparent.

Maybe because of close proximity to cockpit, and GoPro not properly being mounted, it gave an impression of violent shock waves.

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Austin » 09 Feb 2019 12:18

Good Point , Could be the camera itself shaking due to vibration from gun firing

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Manish_P » 09 Feb 2019 13:39

Most Probably.

Here is an apple to oranges comparison with a dedicated ground pounder, the A-10


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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Austin » 18 Feb 2019 18:08

IAF Su-30s In Action At Pitch Black 2018


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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Rakesh » 21 Feb 2019 07:16

Su-30MKI fighter jets to carry five Brahmos NG missiles
https://defenceupdate.in/su-30mki-fight ... -missiles/

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Singha » 21 Feb 2019 07:35

When are tests planned of this missile?
Should be high priority along with saaw, ngarm and garuda portfolio

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Kakarat » 21 Feb 2019 11:45

https://twitter.com/livefist/status/1098462173670633472
Have received a request for 18 more Su-30 MKI kits, we are making the commercial offer: Punchuk

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Aditya_V » 21 Feb 2019 13:52

I think earlier production run was to end by 2019, so this will give 1 more year of production, hope all these aircraft have strengthed undercarriage to carry Brahmos.

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Vips » 22 Feb 2019 05:08

HAL proposes Defence Ministry to procure new squadron of Sukhoi-30 fighter jets.

industan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) Chairman and Managing Director (MD) R Madhavan on Thursday said that the Bengaluru-based HAL has put up a proposal before the Defence Ministry for the procurement of a new squadron of Sukhoi-30 fighter jets.

"We have put up a proposal and we hope to get a new squadron of Sukhois (Sukhoi-30 fighter jets) in the future," Madhavan was quoted as saying by ANI.

The HAL chief's remark has come amid reports that the central government is deliberating over the plan to increase the overhauling capacity of Sukhoi-30 fighter jets to 25 per year from the existing 12 aircraft, ANI reported.

It is to be noted that Su-30 fighter aircraft are being manufactured and overhauled at HAL's Ozar unit in Maharashtra's Nasik district since 2004. The Bengaluru-based HAL has manufactured 260 Su-30 aircraft so far and it is likely that it would manufacture two additional aircraft from the facility by the end of this year (That is by financial year end - March).

Sources said that IAF may procure eight new Sukhoi Su-30MKI from HAL. The total cost of the order is estimated to be more than Rs 30 billion ($421.03m). Russia's Sukhoi Aviation has developed the Su-30MKI aircraft and it is built under license by HAL in India.

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Aditya_V » 22 Feb 2019 07:13

This must include the 50 procured from Russia so fleet ofSu30's should 251 or 252 and for short periods IAF is able to get 90%availability. I think the Russians have stated the have got request for 18 kits. This report says 262 of the original 272 will be delivered by March end so is it balance 10+8 additional or is it 272+18 is the question

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby darshhan » 22 Feb 2019 08:20

Rakesh wrote:Su-30MKI fighter jets to carry five Brahmos NG missiles
https://defenceupdate.in/su-30mki-fight ... -missiles/

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Can't see the air intakes?

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby kvraghav » 22 Feb 2019 09:21

It is under the front cap like mig 21

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby darshhan » 22 Feb 2019 10:09

kvraghav wrote:It is under the front cap like mig 21


Thanks

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Rakesh » 23 Feb 2019 08:06

Small companies like Zeus Numerix at cutting edge of Make in India
https://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2019/02 ... ix-at.html

Former HAL chairman, RK Tyagi, says that Russia asked for Rs 1,300 crore to integrate the BrahMos missile onto the Sukhoi-30MKI, but Indian firms like Zeus managed to do this for just Rs 80 crore.

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby UlanBatori » 23 Feb 2019 23:02

NOW they're using MY brain as Laurel said to Hardy
procurement of a new squadron of Su 30 MKI jets is under process, besides advanced talks on an additional squadron for MiG 29 UPG fighters.
With the squadron strength coming dangerously low – it is expected to dip below 30 this year against the sanctioned 42 – these additional jets will be vital for the air force that is retiring all its older generation MiG 21 fighters.
“We have got an official request from the Indian side to supply 18 more kits of the Su 30 MKI. ..
As reported by ET, the plan to acquire 21 additional aircraft to make a new squadron of MiG 29 jets that were first purchased in the 1980s is expected to cost the Indian exchequer less than `6,000 crore.

Under Rs. 285 karod ~ $42M per bird for the MiG29s; cost not specified for the Su30MKIs.

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Austin » 24 Feb 2019 00:17

MKI cost made by Hal is $61 million

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby UlanBatori » 24 Feb 2019 00:21

Pooch from Ignorance:
Is "HAL-built MKI" == "MKI Kit"?

Excellent decision. Perhaps importing some of Gen. Smirnoff's Syria-retarned "used" Su-24 etc at low cost will send the chills up Paki musharrafs. Proven reliability, sortie rates with adverse field/forward base conditions.
Can India get the newer MiG/Sus as well instead of dickering around for decades with hordes of inferior overpriced western turkeys I wonder. They must have spent $100B on just Tenders and Bidders Conferences and chai-biscoot and Phakt-Phinding Mijjions, not 2 mention Blue Ribbon Graft Inquiry Commishuns already?

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Cain Marko » 24 Feb 2019 00:49

UlanBatori wrote:Pooch from Ignorance:
Is "HAL-built MKI" == "MKI Kit"?

Excellent decision. Perhaps importing some of Gen. Smirnoff's Syria-retarned "used" Su-24 etc at low cost will send the chills up Paki musharrafs. Proven reliability, sortie rates with adverse field/forward base conditions.
Can India get the newer MiG/Sus as well instead of dickering around for decades with hordes of inferior overpriced western turkeys I wonder. They must have spent $100B on just Tenders and Bidders Conferences and chai-biscoot and Phakt-Phinding Mijjions, not 2 mention Blue Ribbon Graft Inquiry Commishuns already?


They can certainly get more Sus and Migs especially considering the amount of experience and infrastructure built up for these fighters over the years. A lot cheaper than most Western kit for sure. But there are reasons why the IAF wants Western kit..

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Cybaru » 24 Feb 2019 01:08

Whatever the reasons, it cannot trump safety. Get more MKI/mig29 ordered and retire some mig21s please.

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby ramana » 24 Feb 2019 11:04

SunnyV, Congratulations. May you reach heights!!!

All the best in your career.

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Austin » 06 Mar 2019 11:18

Posting excerpts from the interview , Key Take away as its paid site

Sky is the Limit: That’s what Su-30MKI display pilot Wg Cdr Tushar Kadushkar believes


http://forceindia.net/cover-story/sky-i ... arch-2019/
Mihir Paul

Roaring through the skies with a thunderous clap, the Indian Air Force’s (IAF’s) Su-30MKI display pilots adroitly crafted a dazzling display to delight keen eyes at Aero India 2019. Forming the IAF’s proverbial backbone, the Su-30MKIs showcased their robust manoeuvrability and versatility during a multitude of flypasts in the initial days of the show.

The twin-jet multi-role air superiority fighter rightly became a major centre of attention during the flying displays by performing complicated manoeuvres like the Mirror and Missing Man formations among many others.

A conversation with Su-30MKI display pilot Wing Commander Tushar Kadushkar revealed the enthusiasm, passion, and boundless energy that the IAF’s display pilots had for the air show.

“You want people who appreciate the display. People travel long distances to come and watch flypasts during this air show. Here, people especially leave their jobs to come and see the display so that makes it all the more special for me. I was really lucky that I got a chance to fly on the inaugural day,” he said.


It was Wg Cdr Kadushkar’s second time at Aero India and he explained why flying the aircraft is an indescribable experience.

“It has to be experienced first-hand. Even a simulator doesn’t match up to the exhilarating experience of actually flying this aircraft. It’s wonderful,” he said with a smile, adding, “Even with 2,500 kilograms of thrust, it’s totally carefree handling.”

While Wg Cdr Kadushkar has always exclusively flown the Su-30MKI, he expressed his interest in flying any new aircraft that would reach the IAF’s hangars soon. With more than 2,000 flight hours logged in, the Wg Cdr said that he began flying only two years into his service and has been flying the Su-30 platform for almost 14 years.


Discussing the Su-30MKI’s ongoing upgrades and modernisation programmes, Wg Cdr Kadushkar said that the aircraft has undergone constant upgradation over the years.

“Something or the other has always been integrated on the aircraft. All the latest technologies have now been successfully integrated into the aircraft and all the credit goes primarily to the ASTE (Aircraft & Systems Testing Establishment) that has been incorporating weapons and software upgrades for the aircraft,” he said.

With the IAF looking for more multi-role combat aircraft to up its depleting squadron strength, Wg Cdr Kadushkar said that while the new aircraft would definitely have swankier additions that older aircraft like the Su-30MKI wouldn’t have, the Su-30MKI by itself would still be the IAF’s mainstay as it has been and will continue to see future upgradation and modernisation.

Explaining the advantages of the Su-30MKI over other single cockpit aircraft, Wg Cdr Kadushkar said, “The one main advantage of the Su-30 is that it’s a twin cockpit. This allows the front pilot to exclusively focus on flying the aircraft while the rear pilot operates the mission-specific systems. Even with modern single cockpit aircraft, it’s a very difficult task for one pilot to handle both flying and management of systems.”

He further elaborated, “This not only requires a lot of skills but also extensive training. A single pilot has to then manage the time between flying the aircraft and handling the systems whereas the Su-30MKI allows both front and rear pilots to exclusively focus and be proficient in their tasks of flying and managing the systems respectively.”

He clarified that even for displays during the air show, Wg Cdr Kadushkar flew with a rear pilot and that the Su-30MKIs are always flown twin seat.


Discussing the aircraft’s manoeuvrability, Wg Cdr Kadushkar said that the Su-30MKI’s handling is ‘totally carefree’ and that the aircraft has been specially designed for proficient manoeuvring at low speeds.

Wg Cdr Kadushkar also happens to be the IAF’s first Su-30MKI pilot to have successfully landed at the country’s highest altitude ALG in Leh back in 2008.Describing the experience, he said that it was just chance that he happened to land first. He further explained that he was flying with other Su-30MKIs in the area while practising manoeuvres where he happened to land before the other pilots. According to the Wg Cdr, one doesn’t feel much of a difference in landing at various altitudes.

“You feel a little bit of difference in the performance of the aircraft but it’s not significant,” he said.

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby SaiK » 18 Mar 2019 16:25

Su-35 is nearly $170m a pop! Crazy..$2b for 12 of them for Egypt

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby MeshaVishwas » 18 Mar 2019 16:54

While HAL has 15 overhauling lines, it could service only 10 aircraft last year. MoD sources highlighted the problem and said that “assuming the massive effect of the problem, remedial measures have been taken.”

Initially, the schedule to complete the overhauling was 14 months but HAL wanted the time raised to 22 months. However, HAL has not been able to meet even this target as it takes around 27 months to overhaul/service one SU 30 MKI. This delay has caused a number of Sukhois to be non-operational.

http://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2019/mar/17/servicing-delays-ground-indias-best-fighter-jets-1952168.html
Source based news so I am not entirely sure whether to believe it or not but HAL's fighter division is not exactly known for adhering to timelines.

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby gpurewal » 18 Mar 2019 23:29

Original post in PAK-FA thread

Singha wrote:https://yadi.sk/a/WWdBbxDH3Vnim8

view of the workship for the fabled izedliye 30 engine that is in flight test for 16 months now.

11 tons dry and 19 tons wet ie akin to a 20% growth version of the JSF F135 engine.

with better sfc and durability than al31-41 family, and with pakfa a smaller airframe than flanker, should permit more brute power in a2a mode.
with 2 internal bays probably 8 full caliber ERAM shtics.

may not be a ELO penetrator platform through heavily monitored airspace but makes very few if any compromises in the LO a2a long persistence role. it can replace the foxhounds and flankers for sure in the ways that russia uses


Would it be possible to mate the izedliye 30 into the MKI? or would the process require extensive airframe/engine system software overhaul, thereby making aforementioned thought implausible?

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Indranil » 18 Mar 2019 23:38

SaiK wrote:Su-35 is nearly $170m a pop! Crazy..$2b for 12 of them for Egypt

Actually that $2B figure is for 2 dozen aircraft. Indonesia bought 11 for 1.1B

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Kashi » 19 Mar 2019 07:54

What are the details of the deal? All weapons, spares and support included?

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Cain Marko » 19 Mar 2019 11:03

gpurewal wrote:Original post in PAK-FA thread

Singha wrote:https://yadi.sk/a/WWdBbxDH3Vnim8

view of the workship for the fabled izedliye 30 engine that is in flight test for 16 months now.

11 tons dry and 19 tons wet ie akin to a 20% growth version of the JSF F135 engine.

with better sfc and durability than al31-41 family, and with pakfa a smaller airframe than flanker, should permit more brute power in a2a mode.
with 2 internal bays probably 8 full caliber ERAM shtics.

may not be a ELO penetrator platform through heavily monitored airspace but makes very few if any compromises in the LO a2a long persistence role. it can replace the foxhounds and flankers for sure in the ways that russia uses


Would it be possible to mate the izedliye 30 into the MKI? or would the process require extensive airframe/engine system software overhaul, thereby making aforementioned thought implausible?

They probably will once the mkis come up for another upgrade and when India decided to license manufacture the pakfa in 10 years.

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Kartik » 20 Mar 2019 02:05

SaiK wrote:Su-35 is nearly $170m a pop! Crazy..$2b for 12 of them for Egypt


Not for 12, for "more than 20".

Egypt agrees on deal for Su-35s

Cairo and Moscow are in agreement on the sale to Egypt of “more than twenty” Sukhoi Su-35 heavyweight multirole fighters, Moscow news outlet Kommersant reported on Monday, March 18. The deal is yet to be confirmed by official sources. Reportedly, a firm contract worth $2 billion was signed late last year but remained undisclosed until this week. Shipments are expected to commence in 2020-2021.
..


Based on the Chinese and Indonesian contracts, we can extrapolate a price of $100 million each. Unit Fly-away costs should be in the $70-75 million range, with training, support and sustainment contracts for each jet being worth $25-30 million.

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Katare » 20 Mar 2019 05:11

Here are the cost details of Russian and US heavy lift helicopter competition. Russian stuff is not cheaper than western offerings. The results was same for the attack helicopter competition too. Both the bids have turned into contracts so numbers are real!!

Su30 MKI would cost IAF way more than what Rafale would over its entire life. We should go for MLU route on Su30 MKIs and focuse on buying Rafale and LCA from hear onwards...


1. Direct Acquisition Cost
Chinook- Rs 6474 Cr
Mi26 - Rs 7422 Cr

2. Cost of TTL based reserve
Chinook - Rs 293 Cr
Mi26 - Rs 9364 Cr

3. Cost of schedule I level servicing
Chinook - Rs 2 Cr
Mi26 - Rs 19 Cr

4. Cost of D level overhaul
Chinook - Rs 333 Cr
Mi 26 - Rs 8117 Cr

5. Operating cost
Chinook - Rs 1743 Cr
Mi 26- 3152

Total cost of acquisition
Chinook - Rs 8845 Cr
Mi26 - Rs 28,074 Cr


Interestingly fuel/operational cost/ton of load for both the helicopters are the same (Rs 157/ton for Mi26 and Rs 158/ton for Chinook). Mi26 are not fuel guzzlers, they measure up to the best in the world aka Chinooks.

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby ramana » 20 Mar 2019 06:05

So Indian military was subsidizing the FSU military industry and being taken for a ride.
Effectively 3 Chinooks for the Mi26. 28074/8845= 27K/9K ~3 Chinook equivalents.

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Mort Walker » 20 Mar 2019 07:30

For acquisitions, the US DoD evaluates life cycle cost based on the estimate as to how long the weapon system stays operational. It is one of the reasons why the F-35 was selected. High upfront costs, but cradle-to-grave operations are more cost effective.


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