Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Karan M » 30 May 2019 16:41

Overhaul is a given.

What we do have in our local/imported kitty so far are:
  1. 6 channel RWR to prevent Blanking Eagle eye (on order, in induction) and DR118 (trials)
  2. HBJ pod to replace Russian/Israeli jammers (status awaited)
  3. MAWS (ready for fitment, trials?)
  4. i-Derby ER (order yet to be placed)
  5. ASRAAM (2x Su-30s modified as testbed, initial integration work cleared, orders yet to be placed)
  6. Brahmos (orders placed)
  7. Spice 2000 (being added)
  8. Desi weapons - all in development but which will make a radical change to the Su-30: PGHSLD (450/500kg), GPS bombs (500kg/1000kg), Glide bombs (500kg-1Ton, 30km-100km range), NGARM, Rudra M2, SAAW
  9. New avionics architecture + 2x wide area displays (DARE has proposal ready)
  10. Software defined radio (orders placed, to replace/supplant existing Russian radios which are capable but lower bandwidth etc).

Additional "missing" items:
  1. New IRST (program for domestic one has merely received DAC clearance)
  2. Radar upgrades, run to Russia (which ideally IAF should have funded LRDE for, to at least progress domestic capability for the future)
  3. Engine upgrades (Russians are putting in 117S variants into Su-30 SM)
  4. New weapons from Russia e.g. VRLAAM for AWACS etc (RVV-BD, 300km range)
  5. Towed decoy package (a bunch available) + expendable decoys (eg Brite Cloud)

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Sumeet » 01 Jun 2019 01:56

Who is supplying MAWS for MKI upgrade ? Is it Radar based or IIR ?

Desi IRST will take long time to be integrated, is it possible to get PAK FA IRST in the mean time ?

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Sid » 01 Jun 2019 02:22

^^There is RWR installed, but no MAWS. DRDO is developed a dual color MAWS for Super Su 30 upgrade program.

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby abhik » 01 Jun 2019 11:50

Sumeet wrote:Who is supplying MAWS for MKI upgrade ? Is it Radar based or IIR ?

Desi IRST will take long time to be integrated, is it possible to get PAK FA IRST in the mean time ?


What is so special about the PAK FA IRST? Russians aren't known for having the best IR sensor tech no?

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby gunnvant » 03 Jun 2019 18:37

Austin wrote:Vishnu Som wrote about MKI upgrade

https://twitter.com/VishnuNDTV/status/1 ... 7028307968


Mods, please delete/move if irrelevant. Opening tweet seems to suggest that the AESA is operational, quick google search suggests it started integration tests in 2015, https://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-b ... hter-12777
Isn't the twitter thread a bit sensationalist?

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Karan M » 03 Jun 2019 18:50

Definitely sensationalist and sky is falling. :roll:

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby abhik » 03 Jun 2019 19:01

Standard scaremongering tactics to push for new equipment, expect some more articles on the same lines .

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby JTull » 03 Jun 2019 21:25

Austin wrote:Vishnu Som wrote about MKI upgrade

https://twitter.com/VishnuNDTV/status/1 ... 7028307968


Seems lifafa courier service has restarted. Or perhaps someone can track any recent phoren yatra.

Let's avoid giving airtime to this guy.

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby ramana » 03 Jun 2019 23:30

MeshaVishwas wrote:IAF to equip 40 Su-30 MKIs with BrahMos cruise missile in next 3 years
https://zeenews.india.com/india/iaf-to-equip-40-su-30-mkis-with-brahmos-cruise-missile-in-next-3-years-2208745.html/amp



Are these 40 Su-30MKIs the special squadrons that were required a few years back?

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby MeshaVishwas » 03 Jun 2019 23:38

Not very sure but the numbers and lack of any news regarding "SFC looking at......." kinda news indicates that they could be specialised for the deterrence role.

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby kit » 03 Jun 2019 23:50

so then what will the even more specilaised Rafales do ? .. in addtion to these specialised Su 30 s they are also nuclear capable ..that combo is an overwhelming force ..esp with the nuke tipped Brahmos.. dont think even uncle has deployed such a combo in South Asia

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Karan M » 04 Jun 2019 00:17

Those 40 Su-30s can carry heavy centerline loads but will also be heavier, slower, less agile than regular MKIs. If additional EMP/EMI/EMC hardening is part of the package, they could also be ALA carriers. See discussion here.

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Prithwiraj » 04 Jun 2019 06:30

Is it possible from Radar signature to differentiate between Regular Su-30MKI and Brahmosized Su-30MKI based on radars at the disposal of both western and eastern front adversaries

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby kit » 04 Jun 2019 22:59

Prithwiraj wrote:Is it possible from Radar signature to differentiate between Regular Su-30MKI and Brahmosized Su-30MKI based on radars at the disposal of both western and eastern front adversaries



i think quite a few have RCI reduction features ; bottom line its not advertised and no one is going to know..lets leave it at that

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby tsarkar » 04 Jun 2019 23:49

Prithwiraj wrote:Is it possible from Radar signature to differentiate between Regular Su-30MKI and Brahmosized Su-30MKI based on radars at the disposal of both western and eastern front adversaries

No. The fuselage strengthening is internal with no external changes to the outer mould line. Also the 42 fighters with BrahMos strengthening won’t be carrying BrahMos all the time to preserve airframe and engine fatigue life.

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby tsarkar » 05 Jun 2019 00:13

Having a heavy load on a fighter is a bad idea increasing fatigue of a versatile multi role platform. Adding a booster to BrahMos or a longer range dedicated missile like Shourya or “tactical” Agni 4 is a much better option.

The Russian Tochka missiles are used for similar outcomes quite economically and effectively in Ukraine, Syria and Yemen. The older Scud used by Afghanistan Najibullah regime after Soviet withdrawal inflicted a crushing defeat to the Pakistanis when they mounted an invasion with regular army under Hamid Gul in the Battle of Jalalabad in 1989.

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Bishwa » 05 Jun 2019 05:46

The battle of Jalalabad 1989 is documented in this WP article from that time.. The Pakistanis suffered badly then..
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/ ... ee8f2e99f8


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