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Postby Vayutuvan » 02 Feb 2015 04:40

Karan: Thanks for posting Dr. AC interview. He is the genuine article.

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Postby sum » 02 Feb 2015 05:33

Karan M wrote:Yes sir.. its an org dedicated for the SBC/N-sub program. IIRC run by the Navy. Its Defence Material Department.

^^ My dad was posted there for a long time and they have a large office in Hyd with no nameboard, drab govt style construction etc.

The joke among the employees there was that any newcomer who couldnt locate the office needed to ask anyone on the street where "Secret Navy Office" was and they would point to this building! :lol: :lol: ( and it was true upto a point!)

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Postby geeth » 02 Feb 2015 09:45

KaranM, Have you heard about DMD? I don't know what it stands for but its about machinery used for defence equipment. I guess not the weapons systems but what goes to support it.


Yes, headed by a Rear Admiral from sub Tech branch..Present one is my BM.

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Postby A Sharma » 02 Feb 2015 17:52

Indian firm says it has developed 4 advanced radar systems

NEW DELHI: An Indian company today claimed to have indigenously developed four advanced dual-use radar systems capable of 3D bird detection and deterrence, besides UAV tracker and foliage penetration, a first for the domestic defence industry.

The radars would have a global launch in the upcoming Aero India air show in Bengaluru.

"OIS Advanced Technology has the IP rights for these four radars. We are launching these advanced radar systems for global markets, in essence taking Indian intellectual property and manufactured product to advance our expanded vision of taking Make in India to the world," Sanjay Bhandari, Founder- Chairman and Managing Director of the firm said here.

The company said its 3D Bird Detection, Tracking and Monitoring and Deterrence Radar System is a global first.

Bhandari explained that there are bird detection radars but those don't come quipped with deterrence capabilities.

"Our technology uses bio-acoustics (sound) and an eye-safe laser both of which are automatically controlled by the radar system."

The company has already bid for the Indian Air Force's requirements for such a radar.

It has also designed, developed and manufactured another industry's first - the 3D Multi-function, Multi-mode UAV Detection and Tracking and Air Surveillance Radar System.

Unlike most air surveillance radars today, it includes a unique Sense-N-Avoid feature to identify UAVs that may be on a collision course, allowing the controller to take remedial action, the firm said.

The company claims that it can detect a small UAV up to 25 kms and fighter aircraft up to 60 kms.

But one of the most interesting is the Foliage Penetration Minefield, IED and Dismount Detection Radar System which the company claims can identify people with weapons and other assets hidden under foliage from a fixed-wing aircraft or UAV installed with this radar.

With product availability slated for year-end, this system can also detect mines and buried IEDs to help sanitise routes and discover minefields, it said.

Indian security forces have felt the need for such radars especially during anti-Naxal operations in dense jungles of Chattisgarh where even satellites have failed to give proper coverage.

OIS-AT has also designed a Portable Ground Surveillance Radar System for both military and homeland security applications, Bhandari said.

He stressed that the radars have been tested and have proved their capabilities.

He said that all these radars are indigenously built and the quantity of imported components is about 25 per cent but not the critical systems.

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Postby Sagar G » 02 Feb 2015 21:00



Yeah woo hoo Indian pvt. company rocks !!! This is exactly what BRF has been saying for years that given a chance Indian pvt. sector will chew DRDO and PSU's for breakfast and shit them out by night. Wonderful development no !!!!

WRONG behen*#@$% !!! Please follow the rest of the post carefully now.

At first it struck me that a company which wasn't heard till now has suddenly come up with a world beating radar (regarding the bird tracking one) which even the western countries who are at a totally different technological plane w.r.t. us don't have !!! A company which has escaped even the sharp eyes of BRF (okay a few posters who track such shit). So I started digging, let's have a dekkho at the company "OIS Advanced Technology".

For starters the term OIS stands for "Offset India Solutions". Hmm, a company which poses as an OEM has "Offset" in it's name !!! In the company's site under the Partners section we have

Offset India Solutions is engaged in providing advisory and project management services to the OEMs in respect of their offset obligations. It conceives, designs, guides, shapes and delivers offset related projects and solutions. It has a team of domain experts from the armed forces, industry and policy makers including skilled projet managers.


In short OIS aims for nothing but playing second fiddle to western OEM's. Also note the "team of domain experts" has no mention of anything remotely associated with engineering strength which would have shown the strong design credentials it indirectly claims it has. So the next logical thing that comes to mind is

Where the FAQ did this company come from ???

OIS ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY PRIVATE LIMITED

Ois Advanced Technology Private Limited is a Private Company incorporated on 10 May 2011. It is classified as Indian Non-Government Company and is registered at Registrar of Companies, Delhi. Its authorized share capital is Rs. 1,000,000 and its paid up capital is Rs. 100,000.

Ois Advanced Technology Private Limited's Annual General Meeting (AGM) was last held on 30 September 2014 and as per records from Ministry of Corporate Affairs (MCA), its balance sheet was last filed on 31 March 2014.

Directors of Ois Advanced Technology Private Limited are Sanjay Bhandari and Sonia Bhandari.

Ois Advanced Technology Private Limited's Corporate Identification Number is (CIN) U74140DL2011PTC218929 and its registration number is 218929.Its Email address is deltabhandari@gmail.com and its registered address is 13 (Also known as 12A) Panchsheel shopping centre panchsheel park, new delhi - 110017, Delhi INDIA.

Current status of Ois Advanced Technology Private Limited is - Active.


Try to keep the above info. in mind and let's dig more from the "Partners" section.

OIS Aerospace

OIS Aerospace is the lead OIS company for both civil and military aviation opportunities, Focused on MRO, manufacturing, avionics, training and simulation, ground support equipment and technical documentation. OIS Aerospace is an eligible IOP -Indian offset partner is ISO 9001:2008 certified.

MicroMet-ATI

Micromet-ATI develops and manufactures key radar technology products for weather related applications. Their products include Wind Profilers, Doppler Weather Radars and other Weather related products.

AVAANA

AVAANA is engaged in mission critical systems and software solutions, development and integration. Its portfolio includes UAVs, Asset Tracking Solutions (RFID) and C4ISR solutions.


First OIS Aerospace

The OIS Group announced a strategic partnership between its newly-launched company OIS AeroSpace, which will primarily undertake aircraft and components manufacturing, aircraft maintenance and upgradation, and Magnaghi Aeronautica of Italy.

“Under the partnership, we intend to market and sell Magnaghi Aeronautica’s Sky Arrow ultra-light high-wing aircraft in the Indian market,” Sareen said, adding that a strategic alliance with Gemilli, also from Italy, was in place, for introducing the latter’s noise-control and self-protecting technologies in India.


Second and the most important "partner" MicroMet-ATI

Micromet Ati India Private Limited is a Private Company incorporated on 15 November 2010. It is classified as Indian Non-Government Company and is registered at Registrar of Companies, Delhi. Its authorized share capital is Rs. 1,000,000 and its paid up capital is Rs. 750,000.

Micromet Ati India Private Limited's Annual General Meeting (AGM) was last held on 30 September 2014 and as per records from Ministry of Corporate Affairs (MCA), its balance sheet was last filed on 31 March 2014.

Directors of Micromet Ati India Private Limited are Bimal Krishan Sareen and Sanjay Bhandari.

Micromet Ati India Private Limited's Corporate Identification Number is (CIN) U72200DL2010PTC210422 and its registration number is 210422.Its Email address is deltabhandari@hotmail.com :mrgreen: and its registered address is 13 (Also known as 12A) Panchsheel shopping centre panchsheel park, new delhi - 110017, Delhi INDIA.

Current status of Micromet Ati India Private Limited is - Active.


The MicroMet-ATI site also has a huge product gallery obviously showing their strength in developing military hardware through decades of research (even though the bloody company came into existence on 15 November 2010 onlee !!!).

So these two India companies were formed within the timespan of six-seven months. Shri Sanjay Bhandari is director of both of these companies, the Bhandari miya biwi being the directors of OIS AT.

This Indian company has such strong R&D base spanning over decades that it is giving technological support to another Indian company which itself has decades worth of radar R&D in it's kitty or something like that. Beautiful no !!! (Phun Game: Spot the difference between the product range of Micromet and Micromet ATI. Winning Priejj: Dinner date at Kerela backwaters with Saint Anthony)

AGAIN WRONG behen*#@$% !!!

Let's now delve into the genesis of Micromet

Welcome to MicroMet Group - A single source supplier of a complete range of Meteorological Systems like Radar Wind Profilers, Doppler Weather Radars, Sonic Anemometers, AWS, and other
Met Sensors. MicroMet Group comprises of autonomous companies specializing in the Meteorological and Environmental fields, serving customers world wide.

1. MicroMet Group (UK)
2. MicroMet (USA)
3. MicroMet-ATI (INDIA)

MICROMET is one of the leading companies for the supply of Environmental Systems, Defence Systems Industrial Systems, and Marine Systems. The company has specialist divisions, supplying products in the following fields:

1. Environmental and Meteorological Systems
2. Defence & Industrial Systems


Ahh so a britshit company is behind all the "technological superiority" behind the Indian companies. Wait what is this innocent thing on the company's website hain ji ??? Holy shit this can't be true !!! An Indian system developed through decades of R&D by Indian designers is stolen by britshits and being claimed as their own !!!

Bird Hits and risks posed by Bird –Aircraft collisions are all too well known to aviators. Avian related accidents cause billions of dollars of losses every year in addition to the tragic loss of life as a result of such accidents. It is estimated that hundreds of lives have been lost over the years as a result of accidents caused due to birds striking civilian and military aircrafts. Radars have been successfully used to detect Avian activity over the years. MicroMet offers a full range of radar based solutions for bird-aircraft collision avoidance, aircraft tracking, and site security & intrusion detection. MicroMet's systems enable the user to:
• Detect
• Deter
• Monitor

Birds in and around Airports and other sites where the presence of birds can be dangerous. MicroMet’s Avian Detection and Deterrence systems can be used at Airports, space installations, wind farms, military bombing sites, and for bird migratory studies. A truly valuable tool in the fight against risks posed by birds to human activity.

BASHRAD™ - the MicroMet bird-aircraft strike hazard avoidance radar system is perhaps the most advanced technology available for Bird-Aircraft Strike Hazard (BASH) management, detection and tracking of hazardous bird activity at various sites including civilian and military airports, wind farms, and for environmental and bird migratory surveys. Developed by Radar specialists with decades of Radar experience the MicroMet BASHRAD™ Bird-Aircraft Collision Avoidance Radar systems include highly reliable, advanced and proven radar technologies. When used in combination with the proven Bird Deterrence technologies and systems, BASHRAD™ offers a comprehensive solution to the problems related to Avian activities.


If you go to the OIS-AT site and read carefully about their "Bird Detection Radar" you will see that the description is very much influenced by the BASHRAD system. Yeah the term 3D doesn't figure in the BASHRAD system but they claim it to be the most advanced technology available for this class of radar. Whose claims do you want to believe ??? That of the Indian front company or the parent one providing all the technical know how ???

Still believe that an Indian company which came into existence just a few years ago came up with the most advanced bird avoidance/detection/tracking/deterring radar ??? Take a look at the system being offered by OIS AT

Image

Take a look at the antenna in the above pic and spot the difference between it and the one offered by the britshit parent company (scroll down, extreme right) and also

BASHRAD™ is available in mobile and fixed configurations to suit all applications. The mobile models are mounted on trailers with all the associated computer equipment installed in the environment controlled trailer cabin.


Regarding other claims of the Indian company you are free to roam in the products section of the parent Micromet company and find for yourself about "indigenous" Indian radars. Don't forget to check A PROPOSED ADVANCED DOPPLER WEATHER RADAR NETWORK FOR INDIA to see advanced "indigenous" solutions being proposed by our hard working pvt. firms.

Almost forgot about AVAANA, their site is under maintenance so alas my fellow BRFites won't get the privilege to see more "indigenous" systems but don't worry the site will be back soon and then you can feast your eyes on "Indian developed systems".

Conclusion: The hierarchy here is Micromet Group > Micromet ATI > OIS AT, basically an Indian front for pedalling britshit tech. It will be very interesting to find out how OIS AT owns the IP of the systems it claims to have developed in a span of 4 decades yrs. If it's too good to be true it ain't !!! There are pvt. companies who are working hard to develop indigenous solutions even after taking losses in doing the same but this fraud OIS AT ain't one of them.

If anyone still believes that OIS AT has developed these systems then please look forward to me flying down AMCA SP1 in AI-15.
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Postby Sagar G » 02 Feb 2015 21:19

ramana wrote:SagarG, I think the focus on the contract aspect is misdirected. The focus should be on all employees
(contract, non-contract) in such sensitive facilities. Do they have periodic check of security clearances? All aspects.


Certain agencies keep a tab on security in DRDO labs so yes there are periodic checks and I think through that only this traitor was caught. Allowing people on contract or visitors in sensitive sites is always a security risk but it's something which cannot be stopped altogether as well. Add to that the mess created by banning recruitment in DRDO since 2011 due to guess what "fund crunch" !!! This ban and the resulting effect of the same has almost escaped the eyes of BRFites.

Rahul M wrote:they could as easily have floated an ad asking for cameramen to be employed on a regular basis, which would also have had the advantage of the mandatory background check by agencies.


Unfortunately not so easy saar AFAIK only ADA being the autonomous lab has that much financial power the rest have to petition HQ for fulfilling vacancies of any kind. If I am not wrong even SRF/JRF are recruited the same way after getting HQ OK. If allowed to speculate I think this cameraman was our CBM to puke or murica by UPA.

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Postby ramana » 02 Feb 2015 21:21

SagarG, That's an anmol worthy post on the private sector company pretending to be original developer.

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Postby Sagar G » 02 Feb 2015 21:28

^^^ I merely googled saar :oops:

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Postby Karan M » 02 Feb 2015 21:45

Bhandari sahab really lays it on thick in that press release. Indian IP, take it to the world. Make in India. :lol: :(

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Postby Neshant » 02 Feb 2015 23:01

A lot of companies hawking their wares as indegenously developed Indian products are merely fronts for foreign companies to sell their relabeled stuff in India. From cell phones to artillery, its all designed overseas. The last few screw turns are done in India to give it the made in India label.

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Postby ramana » 03 Feb 2015 00:00

Maybe need to develop a "Make in India" index for these products to weed out the imposters?

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Postby Victor » 03 Feb 2015 05:38

"Make in India" is totally different from "Made in India" and Modi is pushing the former for good reason. Make in India covers for example a 100% foreign-owned company that has transplanted its factory from China to India as much as it covers a partnership with any combo of foreign-Indian ownership. The net result is new technologies introduced into the country (not necessarily transferred) with Indians employed and trained in these technologies, adding to our woeful skilled manpower pool. Modi has been to China several times to learn and bring business to Gujarat and he knows that it was Make in China that triggered the amazing growth. "Made in China" was an international joke at the time.

If the company claims to have Indian IP, who are we to question it? Let our IP laws decide. That's a smart businessman who has seen a niche and is trying to fill it. Are we getting riled up simply because its a private company?

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Postby NRao » 03 Feb 2015 08:15

Make in India != Made in India != Made by India. There are overlaps, but they are distinct in their own ways.

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Postby Ramu » 03 Feb 2015 14:36

There may be many shades of make in India. But I guess SagarG is trying to point out this is a clear case of dalal in India, hence this indian heartburn.

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Postby Karan M » 03 Feb 2015 19:28

Exactly. But he is sought to be passed off as a fine businessman, lol.

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Postby Karan M » 03 Feb 2015 19:46

How Soldiers Get Orders at Line of Control. New And High-Tech.
All India | Written by Vishnu Som | Updated: February 03, 2015 18:17 IST
How Soldiers Get Orders at Line of Control. New And High-Tech.

New Delhi: For decades, soldiers of the Indian Army deployed in bunkers along the Line of Control have received their orders from commanders in bases often located far away over the radio.

Not any more.

According to sources, soldiers in frontline positions of a strategically important Corps of the Indian Army are now receiving their orders digitally - through a data-radio set which transmits on Very High Frequency (VHF) or Ultra High Frequency (UHF) and is configured to prevent enemy intercepts.

The capability is considered a fundamental force multiplier for the Indian Army, a key element in its transition to a digitally-savvy Army.

The data-radio set, built indigenously by the state-run Bharat Electronics Limited, looks like a smart-phone, but is designed to send and receive signals off the Army's own secure Mobile Cellular Communications Systems. The data-radio has other uses as well. It can transmit video, allowing commanders to review a tactical situation in real-time. Accurate operational decisions in critical situations can now be taken quickly on the basis of a better understanding of just what is happening on the ground.

What's more, a soldier or squad equipped with the data radio can get a precise geographical fix of the locations of other friendly units using the same system, making the need to communicate through radio redundant in many situations. In the event a data-radio is lost, it can be remotely taken off the Army's grid.

By 2018, the Indian Army hopes that five of its 13 Corps will be equipped with the system.

The data-radio is a small but important part of the Indian Army's transformation into a digital Army, a force which will eventually use satellite, VHF/UHF, fibre-optics and hard-wired links to connect each and every soldier in the most remote locations. All Army battalion headquarters are connected through the Wide Area Network which provides secure communications between units through a desktop-to-desktop messaging application. But last-mile connectivity to forward posts is still a few years from being completed.

The Digital Army programme operates on two parallel tracks - Operational Management Systems, details of which remain mostly classified, and Peace Management Systems aimed at providing increasingly computer-savvy jawans and officers with apps. The idea is to go digital for the receipt of transfer orders, handle the payments of pensions, and receive and process applications for Army recruitment.

Army sources point out that they are confident their system is resilient to hackers. The system itself is not connected to the internet and cyber security officers have been deployed in every unit. Ultimately, the Army wants to move to its own Cloud storage system, the infrastructure for which largely exists, but that will require a policy review. The cloud system, once operationalised, will store all non-classified information relevant for every Indian soldier.

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/how-sold ... tec-736713

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Postby Karan M » 03 Feb 2015 19:51

Hope above is not a license knock together at BEL..but a local unit.

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Postby Thakur_B » 03 Feb 2015 20:10

Sagar G, you made that post too soon. I, too, was looking into the company background. You should have allowed a few regular MUTUs to take the bait first ;)

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Postby Karan M » 03 Feb 2015 20:16

Come come Thakur. Thats a smart businessman, with his own Indian IP, who has seen a niche, is doing "make in India" etc etc etc. :P

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Postby Misraji » 03 Feb 2015 20:37


Nice post, Sagar G.
Your posts have become more and more factual over time. Excellent job, mate.... :)

--Ashish.

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Postby Yagnasri » 03 Feb 2015 21:32

Nice work guruji.

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Postby Victor » 03 Feb 2015 22:02

Well those 4 radars are going to have a global launch at AI-15. They are gearing up for export but obviously nobody will buy them because the company is a privately owned dalal instead of a PSU dalal. Waste of time, effort and money.

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Postby Sagar G » 03 Feb 2015 23:20

Misraji, Yagnasri Thankoo for the kind words, all praises to Arrah.

Thakur_B wrote:Sagar G, you made that post too soon. I, too, was looking into the company background. You should have allowed a few regular MUTUs to take the bait first ;)


He he that came to my mind as well while posting but it took me close to two hrs. researching all that info, connecting the dots and moving my lazy bum to make that post so resident dalaals had ample time to take the bait, but hey cheer up they ain't disappointing even now.

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Postby Sagar G » 03 Feb 2015 23:47

Regarding the IP rights being claimed by the britshit front company, I have been thinking about it since yesterday and today spent some time on Controller General of Patents Designs and Trademarks site. In the patent section they have an option where you can search for patents granted provided they have been made public. So the only way that this fraud company can claim to have IP is by being in some sort of agreement with the original developer i.e. Micromet Group (U.K.).

Section 43 of Indian Patent Act 1970 says that more than one person can be given patent of the same item.

Section 50 of the same act throws more light on the right of the "co-owner"

Section 50

Rights of co-owners of patents


(1) Where a patent is granted to two or more persons, each of those persons shall, unless an agreement to the contrary is in force, be entitled to an equal undivided share in the patent.

(2) Subject to the provisions contained in this section and in section 51, where two or more persons are registered as grantee or proprietor of a patent, then, unless an agreement to the contrary is in force, each of those persons shall be entitled, by himself or his agents, to rights conferred by section 48 for his own benefit without accounting to the other person or persons.

(3) Subject to the provisions contained in this section and in section 51 and to any agreement for the time being in force, where two or more persons are registered as grantee or proprietor of a patent, then, a licence under the patent shall not be granted and share in the patent shall not be assigned by one of such persons except with the consent of the other person or persons.

(4) Where a patented article is sold by one of two or more persons registered as grantee or proprietor of a patent, the purchaser and any person claiming through him shall be entitled to deal with the article in the same manner as if the article had been sold by a sole patentee.

(5) Subject to the provisions contained in this section, the rules of law applicable to the ownership and devolution of movable property generally shall apply in relation to patents; and nothing contained in sub-section (1) or sub­section (2) shall affect the mutual rights or obligations of trustees or of the legal representatives of a deceased person or their rights or obligations as such.

(6) Nothing in this section shall affect the rights of the assignees of a partial interest in a patent created before the commencement of this Act.


As can be seen by way of agreement IP can be shared between two parties and I think this is the case here where by agreement between Micromet Group (U.K.) and OIS AT the latter is allowed to claim IP rights for the same in India.

Though I couldn't find any patent which has been granted to Micromet Group or the fraud front so maybe their application is in process as it usually takes a lot of time for patent to be granted.

Another theory is that they have already been granted the patent jointly but this arrangement between the britshit company and the Indian front was done so as to take advantage of section 35 i.e. to claim secrecy

Section 35

Secrecy directions relating to inventions relevant for defence purposes


(1) Where, in respect of an application made before or after the commencement of this Act for a patent, it appears to the Controller that the invention is one of a class notified to him by the Central Government as relevant for defence purposes, or, where otherwise the invention appears to him to be so relevant, he may give directions for prohibiting or restricting the publication of information with respect to the invention or the communication of such information.

(2)Where the Controller gives any such directions as are referred to in sub­section (1), he shall give notice of the application and of the directions to the Central Government, and the Central Government shall, upon receipt of such notice, consider whether the publication of the invention would be prejudicial to the defence of India, and if upon such consideration, it appears to it that the publication of the invention would not so prejudice, give notice to the Controller to that effect, who shall thereupon revoke the directions and notify the applicant accordingly.

(3)Without prejudice to the provisions contained in sub-section (1), where the Central Government is of opinion that an invention in respect of which the Controller has not given any directions under sub-section (1), is relevant for defence purposes, it may at any time before grant of patent notify the Controller to that effect, and thereupon the provisions of that sub-section shall apply as if the invention where one of the class notified by the Central Government, and accordingly the Controller shall give notice to the Central Government of the directions issued by him.


It's pretty clear from the wordings that this section is meant for Indian companies only and foreign companies won't be able to claim patent taking advantage of this section but they can do so if their is an Indian front and the Indian front is used to claim patent jointly. The question here is whether the radars for which patents are being claimed falls under "one of a class notified to him by the Central Government".

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Postby shaun » 03 Feb 2015 23:50

Karan M wrote:How Soldiers Get Orders at Line of Control. New And High-Tech.
All India | Written by Vishnu Som | Updated: February 03, 2015 18:17 IST
How Soldiers Get Orders at Line of Control. New And High-Tech.

New Delhi: For decades, soldiers of the Indian Army deployed in bunkers along the Line of Control have received their orders from commanders in bases often located far away over the radio.

Not any more.

According to sources, soldiers in frontline positions of a strategically important Corps of the Indian Army are now receiving their orders digitally - through a data-radio set which transmits on Very High Frequency (VHF) or Ultra High Frequency (UHF) and is configured to prevent enemy intercepts.

The capability is considered a fundamental force multiplier for the Indian Army, a key element in its transition to a digitally-savvy Army.

The data-radio set, built indigenously by the state-run Bharat Electronics Limited, looks like a smart-phone, but is designed to send and receive signals off the Army's own secure Mobile Cellular Communications Systems. The data-radio has other uses as well. It can transmit video, allowing commanders to review a tactical situation in real-time. Accurate operational decisions in critical situations can now be taken quickly on the basis of a better understanding of just what is happening on the ground.

What's more, a soldier or squad equipped with the data radio can get a precise geographical fix of the locations of other friendly units using the same system, making the need to communicate through radio redundant in many situations. In the event a data-radio is lost, it can be remotely taken off the Army's grid.

By 2018, the Indian Army hopes that five of its 13 Corps will be equipped with the system.

The data-radio is a small but important part of the Indian Army's transformation into a digital Army, a force which will eventually use satellite, VHF/UHF, fibre-optics and hard-wired links to connect each and every soldier in the most remote locations. All Army battalion headquarters are connected through the Wide Area Network which provides secure communications between units through a desktop-to-desktop messaging application. But last-mile connectivity to forward posts is still a few years from being completed.

The Digital Army programme operates on two parallel tracks - Operational Management Systems, details of which remain mostly classified, and Peace Management Systems aimed at providing increasingly computer-savvy jawans and officers with apps. The idea is to go digital for the receipt of transfer orders, handle the payments of pensions, and receive and process applications for Army recruitment.

Army sources point out that they are confident their system is resilient to hackers. The system itself is not connected to the internet and cyber security officers have been deployed in every unit. Ultimately, the Army wants to move to its own Cloud storage system, the infrastructure for which largely exists, but that will require a policy review. The cloud system, once operationalised, will store all non-classified information relevant for every Indian soldier.

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/how-sold ... tec-736713


Is it part of BMS ??? what is the status of BMS for IA ???

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Postby Victor » 04 Feb 2015 01:25

We need to get our priorities straight before getting our @rses kicked in the next war. The FIRST priority is getting modern, dependable war material in the hands of our forces. India-genization comes after this. We should not confuse the two think its the other way around and thankfully, GoI is fully aware of this. We import 70% of our weapons because the PSUs have failed big time, not because we don't give them a chance. They have been the only game in town so far.

If there is a "fraud company", let the GoI or any other sucker who deals with it find out for themselves. My point is why are we going out of our way to kick down an Indian private company and "prove" they are fraud? Should we care how they got their radars as long as our forces can use them to defend the country? Obviously our PSUs have not supplied such radars yet or maybe even thought about them.

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Postby Vipul » 04 Feb 2015 02:13

HAL is in competition only with HAL: R K Tyagi.

Many say HAL should transform from an agency that builds aircraft under licence, to a full-fledged platform developer?

Over the last two years, HAL has acted like a technology company, aggressively pursuing R&D (research and development). We are using company money for this; earlier, we would wait until the ministry of defence (MoD) sanctioned a project and money. In 2012 we had six patents filed. Today we own 1,072 patents.

Today one-tenth of HAL's profit is being converted to an R&D corpus. This will fund development of specific technologies by private industry.

For example, we are developing two aero engines for our future helicopters. Our board approved Rs 400 crore, of which we have already spent Rs 100 crore. Similarly, we decided to fund development of the HTT-40 basic trainer since MoD funding is delayed. To expedite the Light Combat Helicopter (LCH) project, we funded the building of two prototypes to speed up flight-testing.

Since the aircraft industry badly needs skilled workers, we have partnered the National Skills Development Council (NSDC) in sponsoring a National Aerospace Skills Development Council. NSDC has contributed Rs 4.9 crore, we have put in Rs 25 lakh.Last month we registered a society for setting up an aeronautical university. So, we are going into R&D, technological collaboration and upgrading skills. We have converted a manufacturing company into an engineering company.

Many believe HAL needs to be leaner with better manpower?

There was a long-held belief that HAL needs to be self-sufficient, rather than being dependent on the private sector. I have replaced this with the analogy of a train. HAL is the engine, while the private sector is like the bogies. The engine alone delivers nothing, while the bogies alone get nowhere. Today we connect with 2,400 Indian private vendors, mostly micro, small and medium enterprises (MSMEs).
HAL's strategy is to develop intellectual property and hold the IPR, but outsource to private industry wherever possible. Our high-volume helicopter projects - the Light Utility Helicopter (LUH) and Light Combat Helicopter (LCH) - will be built using this model.

How would you see the emergence of a private sector rival to HAL?

Aerospace is opening up and the government has adopted enabling policies. The private sector will inevitably enter and we are ready for competition. We are improving our systems, reducing costs and focusing on quality. Competition will make HAL leaner and better. But I can confidently say that, given our 75 years of experience, HAL is in competition only with HAL. If we can deliver on time, no one can touch us.
We have the ability to do this. For example, an order for 12 Dornier aircraft has been under process for over a year. Instead of waiting for the formal order, we decided to start manufacturing in anticipation. A week from now, when I get the order, I will deliver six Dorniers immediately.

Why is this pro-activeness not evident on the Tejas fighter production line, where capacity needs expansion, but awaits orders from the IAF?

The Tejas' initial operational clearance (IOC) was received in December 2013. I cannot start building until I receive the IOC standards. Within 10 months we have produced the first Tejas; the second will be ready in March.Meanwhile, the IAF needs to form the squadrons; train manpower; prepare manuals and systems. So far only test pilots have flown the Tejas; now, regular line pilots would be flying it. While the IAF does this, we will gradually increase production from two Tejas this year to six, then eight. Meanwhile, we have approached the MoD to augment production capacity to 16 aircraft annually. Departing from past funding models, we proposed that HAL would invest 50 per cent of the Rs 1,300 crore needed. The IAF and the navy have agreed to split the remaining cost between them.

Is there a plan to productively utilise HAL's enviable cash reserves?

We have cash reserves of about Rs 5,000 crore. The media has reported figures of up to Rs 20,000 crore, but that include advances from customers against orders placed. Our free reserves are just Rs 5,000 crore.

Over the last two years, our Board has approved investments of Rs 7,000 crore. This includes the investment for manufacturing the LUH and LCH. We want to augment the production capacity for the Dhruv Advanced Light Helicopter (ALH). We have earmarked land and other systems for building the Rafale fighter. I have mentioned the Tejas assembly line. In three years, we will start overhauling about thirty Sukhoi-30s each year; so, I need to create that capacity too. In HAL Lucknow, the machines that we manufacture accessories on need to be replaced. We plan to spend our reserves on modernisation.

When will HAL's disinvestment offer be made?

Disinvestment is a call taken by the owner of the company, which is the MoD. HAL, as a company, is ready for it. However, being in the defence sector, there will be confidential information that is not shared with the market and the lead managers.

My customers (the military) would not want to keep classified details of the equipment we make, and its quantities. The draft prospectus is ready and has been sent to the services. Once we receive their comments, maybe we'll take a further call on this.

HAL shares will be priced very suitably; and that means very high. Whoever is allotted HAL shares will own an outstanding investment. HAL is the only Indian defence company with a plan for the next 15 years, a future leadership pipeline, investment in modernisation, and massive orders given India's estimated requirement of 1,500 helicopters in the next five years. We have an order book of Rs 60,000 crore. We also have two A-class airports - Nashik and Bengaluru.

Two days back, a meeting was called to review the disinvestment process. Our company secretary had participated. We are awaiting clarification on certain issues, such as the number of independent directors on HAL's Board. Once those are sorted out, maybe the beginning of the next financial year could be the right time for disinvestment.

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Postby Karan M » 04 Feb 2015 02:25

LOL, lets not worry about frauds because they are private, because of course anything else means its all bad bad PSUs...brilliance.
Because they get stuff.. yup sure, as if the MOD/India haven't been burnt by fly by night operators before. All that matters is whether they are.. err...private..and its ok if they do what we all dislike the OFBs etc for (license assembly). At least latter has the honesty to call it licensed production! But looks like OIS radar co is a different beast altogether.

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Postby Karan M » 04 Feb 2015 02:34

Vipul wrote:HAL is in competition only with HAL: R K Tyagi.

Many say HAL should transform from an agency that builds aircraft under licence, to a full-fledged platform developer?

Over the last two years, HAL has acted like a technology company, aggressively pursuing R&D (research and development). We are using company money for this; earlier, we would wait until the ministry of defence (MoD) sanctioned a project and money. In 2012 we had six patents filed. Today we own 1,072 patents.

Today one-tenth of HAL's profit is being converted to an R&D corpus. This will fund development of specific technologies by private industry.

For example, we are developing two aero engines for our future helicopters. Our board approved Rs 400 crore, of which we have already spent Rs 100 crore. Similarly, we decided to fund development of the HTT-40 basic trainer since MoD funding is delayed. To expedite the Light Combat Helicopter (LCH) project, we funded the building of two prototypes to speed up flight-testing.

Since the aircraft industry badly needs skilled workers, we have partnered the National Skills Development Council (NSDC) in sponsoring a National Aerospace Skills Development Council. NSDC has contributed Rs 4.9 crore, we have put in Rs 25 lakh.Last month we registered a society for setting up an aeronautical university. So, we are going into R&D, technological collaboration and upgrading skills. We have converted a manufacturing company into an engineering company.

Many believe HAL needs to be leaner with better manpower?

There was a long-held belief that HAL needs to be self-sufficient, rather than being dependent on the private sector. I have replaced this with the analogy of a train. HAL is the engine, while the private sector is like the bogies. The engine alone delivers nothing, while the bogies alone get nowhere. Today we connect with 2,400 Indian private vendors, mostly micro, small and medium enterprises (MSMEs).

HAL's strategy is to develop intellectual property and hold the IPR, but outsource to private industry wherever possible. Our high-volume helicopter projects - the Light Utility Helicopter (LUH) and Light Combat Helicopter (LCH) - will be built using this model.


Nice!

Why is this pro-activeness not evident on the Tejas fighter production line, where capacity needs expansion, but awaits orders from the IAF?

The Tejas' initial operational clearance (IOC) was received in December 2013. I cannot start building until I receive the IOC standards. Within 10 months we have produced the first Tejas; the second will be ready in March.Meanwhile, the IAF needs to form the squadrons; train manpower; prepare manuals and systems. So far only test pilots have flown the Tejas; now, regular line pilots would be flying it. While the IAF does this, we will gradually increase production from two Tejas this year to six, then eight. Meanwhile, we have approached the MoD to augment production capacity to 16 aircraft annually. Departing from past funding models, we proposed that HAL would invest 50 per cent of the Rs 1,300 crore needed. The IAF and the navy have agreed to split the remaining cost between them.


Hope RM signs off on this asap.
Over the last two years, our Board has approved investments of Rs 7,000 crore. This includes the investment for manufacturing the LUH and LCH. We want to augment the production capacity for the Dhruv Advanced Light Helicopter (ALH). We have earmarked land and other systems for building the Rafale fighter. I have mentioned the Tejas assembly line. In three years, we will start overhauling about thirty Sukhoi-30s each year; so, I need to create that capacity too. In HAL Lucknow, the machines that we manufacture accessories on need to be replaced. We plan to spend our reserves on modernisation.

When will HAL's disinvestment offer be made?

Disinvestment is a call taken by the owner of the company, which is the MoD. HAL, as a company, is ready for it. However, being in the defence sector, there will be confidential information that is not shared with the market and the lead managers.

My customers (the military) would not want to keep classified details of the equipment we make, and its quantities. The draft prospectus is ready and has been sent to the services. Once we receive their comments, maybe we'll take a further call on this.

HAL shares will be priced very suitably; and that means very high. Whoever is allotted HAL shares will own an outstanding investment. HAL is the only Indian defence company with a plan for the next 15 years, a future leadership pipeline, investment in modernisation, and massive orders given India's estimated requirement of 1,500 helicopters in the next five years. We have an order book of Rs 60,000 crore. We also have two A-class airports - Nashik and Bengaluru.

Two days back, a meeting was called to review the disinvestment process. Our company secretary had participated. We are awaiting clarification on certain issues, such as the number of independent directors on HAL's Board. Once those are sorted out, maybe the beginning of the next financial year could be the right time for disinvestment.


A lot of right steps.

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Postby Karan M » 04 Feb 2015 02:41

I wonder whether these are the same folks? How many Sanjay and Sonia Bhandari combos are there in Delhi?
http://lobis.nic.in/dhc/SRB/judgement/3 ... 562006.pdf

Fraud case in Delhi, allegedly to cheat Vijaya Bank.

And there is this
http://www.hindustantimes.com/newdelhi/ ... 39046.aspx

In A major blow to Directorate of Revenue and Intelligence (DRI) the Supreme Court has upheld the discharge of Sanjay Bhandari, the alleged kingpin of the multi-crore scam involving evasion of customs duty on imported cars.


The same person or different persons. Interesting!

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Postby shaun » 04 Feb 2015 10:24

Victor wrote:We need to get our priorities straight before getting our @rses kicked in the next war. The FIRST priority is getting modern, dependable war material in the hands of our forces. India-genization comes after this. We should not confuse the two think its the other way around and thankfully, GoI is fully aware of this. We import 70% of our weapons because the PSUs have failed big time, not because we don't give them a chance. They have been the only game in town so far.

If there is a "fraud company", let the GoI or any other sucker who deals with it find out for themselves. My point is why are we going out of our way to kick down an Indian private company and "prove" they are fraud? Should we care how they got their radars as long as our forces can use them to defend the country? Obviously our PSUs have not supplied such radars yet or maybe even thought about them.

A fraud company is a fraud company no matter what technologies it brings for our armed force. Can you guarantee that it can not become a liability for our national security ??

There are several other private sector companies or subsidiary of companies outside our country , doing niche works and supplying to our military industries.

And about 70% imports , thank God , GOI have woken up to the fact that this eternal cycle of imports need to be stopped and you will find imports percentage getting low with each passing years. Watch this space.

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Postby sattili » 04 Feb 2015 11:38

Karan M wrote:I wonder whether these are the same folks? How many Sanjay and Sonia Bhandari combos are there in Delhi?
http://lobis.nic.in/dhc/SRB/judgement/3 ... 562006.pdf

Fraud case in Delhi, allegedly to cheat Vijaya Bank.

And there is this
http://www.hindustantimes.com/newdelhi/ ... 39046.aspx

In A major blow to Directorate of Revenue and Intelligence (DRI) the Supreme Court has upheld the discharge of Sanjay Bhandari, the alleged kingpin of the multi-crore scam involving evasion of customs duty on imported cars.


The same person or different persons. Interesting!

These could be different people sir. We have to go by the Director Identification Number (DIN) of the director to see what companies they are associated with. From the link posted by Sagar you can see the list of companies each director is associated with.

In this case, as you traverse the web of companies and their directors an interesting aspect emerges. Looks like lot of companies were formed in 2007 targeting different sectors (as implied by the company names) eg keywords like Petro, Infra, Energy, Hospitality, Investment, IT Services, Aerospace etc. Usually registrar of companies will insist on a name that identifies the company's business/purpose. It would be interesting if someone can go through their certification of incorporation, articles of association etc. These documents list out the purpose of the company, their target market, initial business case etc. For most companies these 2 are the directors. However for Micromet-ATI second director is different, from that person's association of companies we can see different chain of companies and their directors so on and so forth.

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Postby vaibhav.n » 04 Feb 2015 11:43

The article is a bit misleading, Army Radios have supported data applications for years now. IIRC, the Tadiran CNR & Stars V Mk2 both support data transfer. The article, i think in part refers to the TCS which was to be implemented but got delayed post 2015 as the IA was not happy with the work done by the vendors.

However, BEL & DRDO producing Multiband Radios is good news indeed. It is high time these things move beyond just SF units. These reduce the need at the unit level to keep radios for pure HF/VHF/UHF range applications.

Range depends upon the power but a Platoon level Multiband Radio should have an 8-10 Km range. These ones would be more sophisticated as they can support more users on the net besides improving quality. I would expect HF sets to be retained due to our terrain.

There are multiple layers to it.

1. The desktop-to-desktop messaging being talked about was executed by TCS (Tata Consultancy) as a part of Army Wide Area Network (AWAN).

There is a difference between Tactical Communications System (TCS) and BMS (Battlefield Management System)

Tactical Communications System (TCS) is a 10,000 crore contract is a system that is meant for offensive operations – a mobile system that can leapfrog forward as offensive operations progress into enemy territory. The offensive operations echelons of the four Pivot Corps deployed on the international boundary and the three Strike Corps will be equipped with TCS. TCS will replace the obsolescent Plan AREN system. TCS will be a fully mobile network, which can be transported anywhere during war, into enemy territory with its exchanges and switches installed in high-mobility vehicles. In essence, TCS will be a fully mobile communications grid, which can be moved anywhere during war providing an Army Corps a backbone network on which to communicate and transfer large volumes of data.


The BMS (Battlefield Management System) in contrast, which will be integrated with the Army Static Communications (ASCON) system. ASCON is the backbone communication network of the army. ASCON provides voice and data links between static headquarters and those in peace-time locations. It is expected to be of modular design so that it can be upgraded as better technology becomes available. The BMS is meant for communications from the Battalion HQ's forward to the Companies and Platoons. It will enable the Commanding Officer to enhance his situational awareness and command his battalion through a secure communications network with built-in redundancy.

The BMS system will integrate all surveillance resources available at the Battalion or Brigade level, including from locally launched UAVs and ground sensors. It will also provide the accurate location of all the troops and key weapons platforms as well as the location of enemy troops and terrain analysis. The BMS will also automatically receive and transmit data, voice and images from multiple sources above the Brigade and Battalion level, including radars, cameras and laser range finders, simultaneously providing junior commanders on the battlefield all relevant information.

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Postby Karan M » 04 Feb 2015 17:53

IIRC data rate in the earlier STARS-V and Tadiran radios was not high. They were mostly for voice with data as a plus.

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Postby ramana » 04 Feb 2015 19:28

One of our members spent 4 years on the STARS.

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Postby Thakur_B » 04 Feb 2015 19:34

Victor wrote:Obviously our PSUs have not supplied such radars yet or maybe even thought about them.


Obviously, you didn't think through before typing out your drivel.

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Postby Victor » 04 Feb 2015 20:12

Thakur_B wrote:Obviously, you didn't think through before typing out your drivel.

Why don't you support your bullcr@p and enlighten on which PSU has supplied or thought about the radars this company is talking about. They say it's a first globally.
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Postby Thakur_B » 04 Feb 2015 20:30

Victor wrote:
Thakur_B wrote:Obviously, you didn't think through before typing out your drivel.

Why don't you support your bullcr@p and enlighten on which PSU has supplied or thought about the radars this company is talking about. They say it's a first globally.


Rage posting much ? You should try some google-fu (Hint: Divya Chakshu). When you are done tell me what crow tastes like. LRDE has already sought to modify Nabhratna/Dornier test bed to test FOPEN radar.

They say it's a first globally.


The fact that you believed that any of the four radars being offered by them is "first globally" indicates a shortage of iodine during your formative years. A simple google search will tell you that they are lying. There are plenty of:
- Avian detection radars
- FOPEN radars
- GP radars
- 3D Low level portable UAV detection radars (LRDE's Aslesha AESA radar, already ordered in significant numbers by Indian armed forces)

In fact DRDO was given the mandate to develop the radars under Divya Chakshu because importing them was cost prohibitive.

Enjoy your kauwa biryani Victor.
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Postby Indranil » 04 Feb 2015 21:08

Victor wrote:
Thakur_B wrote:Obviously, you didn't think through before typing out your drivel.

Why don't you support your bullcr@p and enlighten on which PSU has supplied or thought about the radars this company is talking about. They say it's a first globally.

Nobody is against the private industry. But this one is a big farce and a very obvious one. Please don't support it, just because it suits your point of view.

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Postby Victor » 04 Feb 2015 23:10

This company is going to present themselves in one of the most well attended defense shows in the world which will be attended by some of the most qualified experts in the world. If a company is stupid enough to throw obvious lies out in the open, they deserve to and will be trashed. Until that happens, it is prudent to ignore reflexivly abusive specimens who fell on their heads at birth.


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