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moved to make-in-india! :)
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SaiK that doesn't belong in this thread since this is dedicated purely to Indian R&D and industry and the above is just an advert at this time. As and when it does happen and there are indian benefits then it may become relevant.
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makes sense!
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Karan M wrote:This is nice!! Godrej's Brahmos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1OgiOJ0EGw
Verdant Technologies - amazing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiVqmxUyELw
Darn.... I can't watch it.
The uploader has not made this video available in your country.
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Whats the status of DRDO s airship programmes .. something like this looks like a good alternative for satellites for 24*7 surveillance

http://www.janes.com/article/55357/chin ... ce-airship
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DRDO Newsletter Oct 2015

Technology for Near Isothermal Forging transferred

Optical Target Locator deployed for Independence Day Security
The short-range Optical Target Locator, OTL300, developed by Laser Science and Technology Centre (LASTEC), Delhi, was deployed at Red Fort, Delhi, on 15 August 2015. Two units of OTL300 were deployed by Special Protection Group (SPG) and one by National Security Guard (NSG) for Prime Minister’s security and area sanitization during his speech from the rampart of the Red Fort. Users appreciated the performance of the equipment.
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Darn, looks like the media picking up stuff from the awards functions and publicizing it for the strat programs, has made DRDO stop broadcasting why folks won the awards.

I was hoping the newsletter for would have more details on:
Twelve scientists from Bengaluru-based defence research labs have won prestigious awards for various categories, an official statement said.

P. Srikumar, former director of Aeronautical Development Establishment, received the Performance Excellence award. Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar presented the awards at the DRDO headquarters in New Delhi on Wednesday in the presence of S. Christopher, DRDO Director General and Secretary, Department of Defence (R&D); the Chiefs of Air and Naval Staff and the top brass of DRDO. The other awardees from the city are K. Seetharama Bhat (MTRDC), N.N.S.S.R.K. Prasad (ADA), Suresh M. (ADE), L. Gnana Michael Prakasam (LRDE), N.M. Kaverappa, Southern Regional Public Relations Officer and A.S Manoharan (CAIR). Young Scientist awards were presented to R. Ramlingam (ADE), Mallikarjun Uppar (DARE), David John (GTRE) and Ravi Domala (LRDE). ADE received the Silicon Trophy and the teams led by Desiraju Padma of CAIR and J.J. Jadhav of ADA received the Agni award for self-reliance.
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A Sharma wrote:DRDO Newsletter Oct 2015

Technology for Near Isothermal Forging transferred
High pressure Compressor forgings for Adour per the newsletter
Optical Target Locator deployed for Independence Day Security
The short-range Optical Target Locator, OTL300, developed by Laser Science and Technology Centre (LASTEC), Delhi, was deployed at Red Fort, Delhi, on 15 August 2015. Two units of OTL300 were deployed by Special Protection Group (SPG) and one by National Security Guard (NSG) for Prime Minister’s security and area sanitization during his speech from the rampart of the Red Fort. Users appreciated the performance of the equipment.
OTL news is excellent and a perfect case for high tech import substitution. Looks like LASTEC is hitting its stride. OTL-1500 is being developed for the Army and NSG
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 896836.cms
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BEL's Akash missile integration facility from 2010; last pic is of the upgraded Shilka, note the new AESA radar

http://tarmak007.blogspot.in/2010/12/fd ... -unit.html

Very potent upgrade, with all 90 units upgraded, gives AAD a good breather
In March 2011, the state-owned company received a contract to upgrade approximately 90 of the army's ageing Schilka systems, which were acquired from Russia in the early 1980s, as reported by Indo Asian News Service.

BEL said in a statement: "Schilka is an all-weather, self-propelled, tracked, low-level air defence weapon system and its upgraded version has search-cum-track digital radar, with [an] electro-optical fire control system.

"The army has given clearance for bulk production of the enhanced weapon system, whose main engine, auxiliary engine, integrated fire detection, suppression system, nuclear, biological and chemical filter and communication system have also been upgraded."

Under the first phase of the contract, the company upgraded a total of 48 tanks, with the remaining units set be modernised in the second phase.

As part of the upgrade, the radar, analogy computer and engine were replaced with advanced systems, and an air conditioning system was added for crew comfort.
"Schilka is an all-weather, self-propelled, tracked, low-level air defence weapon system."

The addition of an electro-optical system that can operate in parallel with the radar enables accurate identification, acquisition and tracking of targets while operating in an electronic countermeasure environment.

According to BEL, the upgraded Schilkas can fire aerial targets while on move and can engage enemy attack aircraft and helicopters during day or night and in all weather conditions.


In addition, the system can accept cueing from external surveillance radar and is expected to provide improvements in operational performance, accuracy, power consumption and mean-time between failures.
Wiki
ZSU-23-4 units saw active service in the Yom Kippur War (1973) and other Arab-Israeli conflicts, the Iran–Iraq War (1980–1988), and the First Gulf War (1990). During the 1973 Yom Kippur War, the system was particularly effective against the Israeli Air Force. Israeli pilots attempting to fly low in order to avoid SA-6 missiles were often shot down by ZSU-23-4s as in Operation Doogman 5. During the Soviet-Afghan War ZSU-23-4 units were used widely and to great effect against mujahideen positions in the mountains, the ZSU-23-4's guns being able to elevate much higher than the weapons on BMPs, BTRs, T-55s, or T-62s.[10] They were also used to suppress defensive positions around the presidential palace during the initial coup in Kabul at the start of the Soviet-Afghan war. The Russian Army used the ZSU-23-4 for mountain combat in Chechnya.
http://www.bel-india.com/?q=Schilka-Weapon
SALIENT FEATURES

3D Active Phased Array Radar
Single Target Tracking
Multiple Target Tracking due to Electronic Steering in Elevation
ECCM Features
Low Output Power
Optronic System (CCD / TI / LRF)
Operator Comfort with Air Conditioner
User Friendly Operator Displays
New Engine with drastic reduction in fuel consumption
Nuclear, Biological, Chemical (NBC) protection system
Gun range is 7km. TOW with Pak is 4.2km
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KaranM, Can you post the text of the isothermal forging section here?
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On the Schilka upgrade what is the new time constant from detection to firing? <~2 secs
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ramana wrote:On the Schilka upgrade what is the new time constant from detection to firing? <~2 secs
That info has not been released, presumably it's at least as effective as before. The two significant improvements to the tracking systems are passive EO/TI/CCD plus LRF and then the 15km ranged AESA radar (better ECCM).
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ramana wrote:KaranM, Can you post the text of the isothermal forging section here?
October 2015
High pressure (HP) compressor
disc forgings, made of titanium alloy,
are critical rotating parts of Adour aero
engines of the Jaguar aircraft and
requires replacement after specified
period of operations or if unacceptable
damages take place during/before
expiry of the life. The annual
requirements of HP compressor disc
forgings are high therefore warranted
indigenisation. Defence Metallurgical
Research Laboratory (DMRL),
Hyderabad, in association with Mishra
Dhatu Nigam Limited (MIDHANI),
Hindustan Aeronautical Ltd (HAL) and
Airworthiness Agencies, has developed technology
for manufacturing disc forgings of all the five stages.
Technology has been transferred to MIDHANI for bulk
production. MIDHANI will use the isothermal forging
facility at DMRL (on cost basis) for production.


DMRL has long pursued an intensive R&D on Rare
Earth Permanent Magnet (REPM) which culminated
into establishing process technologies for making three
different classes of rare earth magnets, viz., SmCo5,
Sm2Co17 and Nd-Fe-B. These magnets almost entirely
cover the total spectrum of application engineering
in strategic sectors. In an effort to ‘Make in India’ and
thereby totally indigenise the production from mineral to
magnet, the Indian Rare Earths Limited (IREL) plans to
reduce the rare earth salts it sources from the beach
sand mineral by acquiring the technology established by
BARC and use this indigenous raw material to produce
magnets in large scale by adopting the technologies
developed by DMRL. This national efforts will create
an indigenous source to meet the requirements of rare
earth magnets for the strategic sectors in the first place
and then gradually widen it to civilian sectors.
A licensing agreement for ToT for the two
technologies was signed on 20 July 2015 by Shri M
Narayana Rao, CMD, MIDHANI, Dr RN Patra, MD,
IREL, Dr Amol A Gokhale, DS and Director, DMRL and
Dr S Radhakrishnan, Director, Directorate of Industrial
Interface and Technology Management, DRDO HQ,
in the presence of Prof. P Rama Rao, Chairman,
Governing Council, International Advanced Research
Centre for Powder Metallurgy and New Materials;
Dr N Eswara Prasad, Regional Director, Regional Centre
for Military Airworthiness (Materials), senior managers
and scientists from MIDHANI, IREL and DMRL
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http://profit.ndtv.com/news/corporates/ ... ty-1215521
Tata Power Begins Work to Setup Rs 450 Crore Defence Manufacturing Facility
Press Trust of India | Last Updated: September 08, 2015 20:17 (IST)

New Delhi: Tata Power on Tuesday started work to set up its Rs 450 crore defence manufacturing facility in Karnataka with the state's Chief Minister Siddaramaiah laying its foundation stone.

"The foundation stone laying ceremony for the greenfield Defence Production facility of The Tata Power Company Limited, Strategic Engineering Division (Tata Power SED) at Vemagal (District Kolar), Karnataka, was held today," Tata Power said in a statement here.

According to the statement, Chief Minister of Karnataka, Siddaramaiah laid the foundation stone of the facility.

Tata Power SED has a dedicated R&D set up at Mumbai and a 10.5 acres Defence Manufacturing facility at Electronics City, Bengaluru, operational since 1986.

"Over the next one year, the Division is making an investment of Rs 450 crore at its new 50-acre Vemagal facility to create a state-of-the-art integrated digital design to manufacturing facility for large systems engineering and integration," the company said.


The facility is the largest strategic electronics manufacturing unit approved under the MSIPS program of DeitY, Government of India.

Also, the Karnataka government has been approached for additional land adjacent to the present site at Vemagal under the state's new industrial policy.

The facility will have ferrous/ non-ferrous structure manufacturing, precision engineering and machining capabilities, system/ shelter integration bays and specialised manufacturing/ test facilities for electronic warfare systems, inertial navigation systems and RF Systems among others.

Additionally, it will cater to optronics and night vision equipment including tube and detectors manufacturing.

This integrated systems engineering facility will be able to deliver artillery and air defence weapon systems; network centric systems such as tactical Communication/ battlefield management systems; integrated electronic warfare systems and radar/ sensor Suites catering to the land, naval and airborne warfare requirements of the Indian Armed Forces.


The facility will also be able to deliver systems for homeland security and is geared to produce clean energy solutions for defence as well as civilian use.

"The Vemagal investment is in line with the Company's commitment towards the 'Make in India' initiative and the facility will be dedicated to the national effort of 'Swavalamban' in the strategic defence sector," Tata Power SED CEO Rahul Chaudhry said.
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X-posting, for the record,
viewtopic.php?p=1919021#p1919021
[quote="Arun Menon">>]PM Narendra Modi, President Pranab Mukherjee to launch one stop research funding mechanism 'IMPRINT'

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 445531.cms
NEW DELHI: Prime Minister Narendra Modi and President Pranab Mukherjee will next month launch a single window funding clearance mechanism backed with a Rs 1,000-crore kitty to get Indian technical institutions to conduct original research in areas where the country is heavily dependent on foreign technology.
The move to set up a one stop funding system has been made after a number of scientists and researchers conveyed how the current bureaucratic systems were coming in the way and delaying projects as well as discouraging institutes from taking them up. The drill of getting clearances and approvals through various ministries was another dampener. The Indian Institutes of Technology (IITs) and National Institutes of Technology (NITs) are already on board with the plan that is being piloted by the Smriti Irani-led HRD ministry. The issue was also taken up with the institutes at the recent meeting of the IIT Council and the NIT Council.
I remember how there was a meeting a little while ago between the PM and some eminent scientists. He was said to have listened to them at length and inquired about their needs. Nice to see that he has acted so fast.[/<<quote]
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This is brilliant!
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let the iit munnas do the kaveri 135kN. game!
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IMPRINT is definitely a good news for original research at the Indian universities. This is similar to Western researching practices where most of their hard science research are conducted at their universities, which are better suited for long-research work (may or may not be fruitful or profitable). From there, commercial entities license/buy those IPR to integrate into their products.
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SaiK wrote:let the iit munnas do the kaveri 135kN. game!
Academic institutions are not best suited for developing a complex system, such as a whole aircraft engine. At best, they could build theoretical designs and models along with a basic proof-of-concept prototypes that lay the ground work for full development by external entities. What they excel at is doing the hard material science research to come up with things like SCB or other high temperature resistant materials that bigger integrator like GTRE could make use of in Kaveri.
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LEVERAGING ICTEC INFRASTRUCTURE
& HARNESSING THE HUMAN CAPITAL FOR DIGITAL ARMY
23rd – 24th November 2015, India Habitat Centre, Lodhi Road, New Delhi

Corps of Signals, Indian Army, in association with the Confederation of Indian Industry (CII), is organising DEFCOM INDIA 2015 on 23-24 November 2015. Luminaries from Indian Industry, Academia, R&D Organisations and Defence services will assemble to analyse critical aspects for development of Information, Communications, Technology, Electronics and Cyber (ICTEC) infrastructure to meet the requirements of a futuristic battlefield. The objective of DEFCOM INDIA 2015 is to provide participants an insight into the realisation of Digital Army.


Messages:


Shri Manohar Parrikar
Hon'ble Raksha Mantri
Network Centric Operations are essential for meeting enhanced challenges in the present day battlefield.
Read More...



Rao Inderjit Singh
Hon'ble Raksha Rajya Mantri
Future wars will be characterized by short warning, short duration, intense & highly dynamic operations.
Read More...



General Dalbir Singh
PVSM, UYSM, AVSM, VSM, ADC, Chief of the Army Staff
Assured, Anytime and anywhere communications, traversing the boundaries that exist between the strategic, operational and tactical domains.
Read More...






Sub Themes:
Futuristic Battle Field:Realisation of Digital Army in the Tactical Battle Area (TBA). Leveraging Information & Communication Security Solutions to Enhance Operational Security.


Leveraging Commercially Off the Shelf (COTS) Solutions for Enhancing the Information and Communication Potential in the Tactical Battle Area (TBA). Transformation of Existing Human Capital of the Indian Army to Achieve a Digital Workforce Relevant to a Contemporary Battlefield Domain.
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Development of Beam Directing Optical System (CHESS)
http://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/tenders/vie ... icro=13487
System Operational Requirements
The beam directing optical system will be responsible to carry out the following
intended tasks:
i) Focusing of high power laser beam (it - 1070nm) on to the distant ground static
and slow moving targets as well as aerial target in the operating range of 500m
to 2km. The focusing mechanism will be assisted by Laser Range Finder (LRF).
ii) The same beam directing telescope will also be utilized for laser based active
imaging (shared aperture imaging coaxial with the laser beam path) in narrow
field-of-view (NFOV - lmrad) to facilitate beam pointing, fine tracking and image
stabilization utilizing Fast Steering Mirrors (FSMs) in the optical path.
- The NFOV target imaging channel will work in active imaging technique at
1530nm wavelength using a suitable SWIR camera.
- Both the high power laser focusing channel and the imaging channel will
be coaxially combined through a dichroic mirror (DM) and imaging lens
assembly as shown in the conceptual optical scheme (figure - 1).
iii) Such two numbers of beam directing optical channel will be developed and will
be integrated on to a 2-axis gimbal platform. The high power laser beams from
each of the optical channel will be precisely focused and combined at a point on
the target. The focusing of laser beams and target image will be achieved by
controlling the liner translational movement of primary mirror assembly.
The fine beam pointing, stabilization and beam combining will be achieved
through two independently controlled FSMs (fig. - 1) as described below:
iv) FSM-1 will senie the purpose of stabilization of Line of Sight (LOS) jitter
(generated due to platform vibration, atmospheric turbulence etc.) within their
respective FOVs of each channel captured through the imaging sensor.
v) FSM-2 is will be used to deflect the high power laser beams to combine at a
desired point on to the target plane. Beside this, it will also precisely track the
zone of interest (zone surrounding the beam incident point) on the target with in
the NFOV '
Beam Pointing, stabilization and beam combination is not under the scope of
this work. The vendor should supply & integrate the required FSMs in the beam
directing system.
The beam directing optical channel consists of-the following major sub-
assemblies:
1. Laser Beam Focusing channel
2. Shared aperture NFOV imaging channel coaxially coupled with the laser
beam focusing channel
3. Bore sighting assembly
4. Mechanical Housing of beam directing optical channel
Scope of work & Specification requirements of beam directing channel are
described below.
Estimated time of completion, 12 months.
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A Sharma wrote:DRDO Newsletter Oct 2015

Technology for Near Isothermal Forging transferred

Optical Target Locator deployed for Independence Day Security
The short-range Optical Target Locator, OTL300, developed by Laser Science and Technology Centre (LASTEC), Delhi, was deployed at Red Fort, Delhi, on 15 August 2015. Two units of OTL300 were deployed by Special Protection Group (SPG) and one by National Security Guard (NSG) for Prime Minister’s security and area sanitization during his speech from the rampart of the Red Fort. Users appreciated the performance of the equipment.
Time to create a more portable version of it to protect forward operating bases and troop carriers from snipers.
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^Apparently, an OTL1000 is in the testing process for the military, which will indubitably be used on the FOBs. It will be much more capable than the current system.
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OTL 1500. Tjhe 300 one looks plenty portable...
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Arun Menon wrote:^Apparently, an OTL1000 is in the testing process for the military, which will indubitably be used on the FOBs. It will be much more capable than the current system.
Nice. Google-fu says its OTL 1500.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 896836.cms
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^Yep, thats right OTL 1500, my mistake.
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CAG reports website:

http://saiindia.gov.in/english/
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Outdoor Radar Cross Section (RCS) Test Measurement facility of RCI Inaugurated.
Outdoor Radar Cross Section (RCS) Test Measurement facility of RCI at Dundigal, Hyderabad. The facility will enable India in designing new weapon systems with extremely low cross section as well for carrying out vulnerability studies on existing platforms.
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http://www.dailyo.in/politics/defence-i ... /6930.html

India's military is in dire need of fixing
There are far-reaching policy changes recommended by the committee.
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Vipul wrote:Outdoor Radar Cross Section (RCS) Test Measurement facility of RCI Inaugurated.
Outdoor Radar Cross Section (RCS) Test Measurement facility of RCI at Dundigal, Hyderabad. The facility will enable India in designing new weapon systems with extremely low cross section as well for carrying out vulnerability studies on existing platforms.
This is excellent news. Recently, I have been thinking that India does not have the will/money/technology to have this crucial test facility (all our current RCS studies are based on small indoor models or computer-aided simulations). So this is such a happy surprise for me. I would love to to see pictures of LCA/AMCA placed on that pylon someday.

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As an aside:
Also, I have a pet peeve with Indian reporting (Pickup newsletters/press releases from DRDO/HAL/govt/Media outlets). It possibly stems from our residual sub-serviant mentality. Why are all coverages centered around the visiting dignitary, or the the boss? This is supposed to be about the facility, isn't it. But without fail, when something is inaugurated, the primary picture is about the minister or senior boss cutting the ribbon/lighting the lamp. Why? A bigger chair to earmark that the biggest boss. I am not singling out Parrikar. It is just a phenomenon.
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Contrast this with what I think should be the norm.
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Reliance to invest heavily in screwdriver factories.

http://www.janes.com/article/55472/reli ... investment
India's Reliance Group announced plans on 22 October to invest up to INR60 billion (USD925 million) in developing production capabilities in defence in the central Indian province of Madhya Pradesh.

The company, which in 2015 has emerged as one of India's most ambitious defence groups, said the money would be used to set up within the state facilities to support the manufacture of land systems and helicopters.
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>>Why are all coverages centered around the visiting dignitary, or the the boss? This is supposed to be about the facility, isn't it. But without fail, when something is inaugurated, the primary picture is about the minister or senior boss cutting the ribbon/lighting the lamp. Why? A bigger chair to earmark that the biggest boss. I am not singling out Parrikar. It is just a phenomenon.

Partly at least it is because of (a) media management decisions and simply the (b) lack of sufficiently knowledgeable professional defence reporters who could chase the story and have a (c) sufficiently flexible editor who would sign of on the expense, and let's admit the (d) volume of public demand was probably not that great either. In the past there simply wasn't enough money to send people around which usually means one or two overnights, even staying in low-rent places. Even a few thousand rupees allocation required approvals, "what the hell do you want a holiday now in Kochi or what", sort of questions etc? So the culture became to combine a dignitary visit and report on facility (easier also because of press release having details - no need to dig too hard and for those not well versed, appear ignorant) - so two for the price of one sort of thing, and easier for journalist to justify to editor, for editor to justify to finance...and so on. It simply because a way of working that caught on.

I suspect though that it's been changing over the past decade or so. Gradually, the quality of reportage has also been increasing I would think - though specialists on BRF can comment more knowledgeably about it. I am quite familiar with the funds allocation process (though I was never a journalist or anything like that).
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Nick_S wrote:Reliance to invest heavily in screwdriver factories.

http://www.janes.com/article/55472/reli ... investment
India's Reliance Group announced plans on 22 October to invest up to INR60 billion (USD925 million) in developing production capabilities in defence in the central Indian province of Madhya Pradesh.

The company, which in 2015 has emerged as one of India's most ambitious defence groups, said the money would be used to set up within the state facilities to support the manufacture of land systems and helicopters.
To reliance's credit I must mention this.

When that Dornier was lost off the Chennai coast recently they needed an underwater robot to get at it. Singapore asked for something like $25 million or some ridiculous amount. Reliance had one of those things and gave it for Indian Navy to use for free.
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Defence scientists develop key technology for Jaguar aircraft
"The annual requirements of HP compressor disc forgings are high and therefore warranted indigenization," DRDO said. Defence scientists have now developed the technology to manufacture disc forgings of all the five stages.

The technology has been transferred to Midhani for bulk production. Midhani will use the isothermal forging facility at DMRL (on cost basis) for production.

DMRL has long pursued intensive research and development on Rare Earth Permanent Magnet (REPM), which culminated in establishing process technologies for making three different classes of rare earth magnets. These magnets almost entirely cover the total spectrum of application engineering in strategic sectors, DRDO said.

In an effort to 'Make in India' and thereby totally indigenise the production from mineral to magnet, the Indian Rare Earths Limited (IREL) plans to reduce the rare earth salts it sources from beach sand mineral by acquiring the technology established by BARC and use this indigenous raw material to produce technology for Near Isothermal Forging transferred magnets in large scale by adopting the technologies developed by DMRL.

The efforts will create an indigenous source to meet the requirements of rare earth magnets for the strategic sectors in the first place and then gradually widen it to civilian sectors, according to DRDO.
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ramana wrote:CAG reports website:

http://saiindia.gov.in/english/
Thank you very much ! The CAG report on ammo levels - is pretty scary reading indeed. Beyond critical levels of war wastage reserves for many types of ammunition.

Puts in perspective the Govt decision to downsize mountain strike corps because they were being provisioned using war wastage reserves
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CAG reports aren't very reliable according to some so take it with a grain of salt. And it's an incredibly moronic move on CAG's part to actually publicize such supposed shortcomings in the public forum. These kind of matters should be discussed with armed forces and MOD and appropriate actions should be taken
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Your two points are contradictory ! If they aren't reliable, then why not put it in public ? :lol:
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srin wrote:Your two points are contradictory ! If they aren't reliable, then why not put it in public ? :lol:
Because we are potentially on a two front war and putting out such moronic reports puts us on a weak spot? Perception matters as much as reality
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