India's R&D in Defence DRDO, PSUs and Private Sector

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 16 Feb 2016 22:45

There was one more .... With lorros style mast to hoist the missile tubes

srai wrote:Evolution of NAMICA:

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 16 Feb 2016 23:04

So we moved from movable launcher with locked down optics to a version with 8 tubes but locked down optics to the newest variant which looks...
Trials and requirements, who can tell.
Lack of close in weapons suite is bewildering. Hope there is at least one MG somewhere?

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 16 Feb 2016 23:35

srai · Post by **srai** » 17 Feb 2016 00:30

^^^

That looks like Khrizantema-S anti-tank missile armoured vehicle.

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 17 Feb 2016 03:44

Tata Motors, General Dynamics & Bharat Forge tie up for $11-bn defence bid for FICV.

Tata Motors, Bharat Forge and General Dynamics have forged an alliance to bid for the $11 billion (Rs 78,000 crore) project of making combat infantry vehicles for the Indian Army under the Future Infantry Combat Vehicle (FICV) Programme. Responding to a query, Tata Motors said: "We confirm partnering with Bharat Forge for local manufacturing of guns, ammunition and such other elements of fire power that form part of the FICV Programme."

With two of the front runners, Tata Motors and Bharat Forge, joining hands, the number of total bidders has come down to nine from 10. The alliance now stands higher chances of making it to the final three prototype manufacturers, bids for which were given on Monday, according to a senior Bharat Forge executive.

Baba Kalyani, chairman and managing director, Bharat Forge said, "We have tied up with Tata Motors, they are part of the consortium. Today (Monday) is the bid submission day. We will build certain part of the FICV. Tata Motors has lots of knowledge of vehicle engineering, so they will build the drive system, General Dynamics is the third company in the consortium, which has got expertise in building FICVs. They have also come on board."

The FICV is an amphibious, tracked, armoured vehicle, operated by a crew of only three. It has to be compact, so that it can be airlifted and dropped in combat zones while being armed with anti-tank guided missiles with range up to four kms. The FICVs will replace Indian Army's fleet of obsolete 2610 Russian BMP-2 carriers.

The state-owned Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) and two private companies will make it to the final list of prototype manufacturers which will then be put to extensive evaluation and testing by the army before getting the contract.

Tata Power, Larsen & Toubro, Mahindra & Mahindra, Rolta, Pipavav, Bharat Forge, Punj Lloyd and Titagarh Wagons are the other bidders to the FICV project. A number of international defence companies such as Oshkosh Corporation, Lockheed Martin, AM General, Rosoboronexport and Nexter are ready to supply technical know-how through joint ventures for the project.

General Dynamics, a US-based aerospace and defence company, successfully designed and developed Ground Combat Infantry Fighting Vehicle for the US Army. The company was chosen for India's FICV programme by Tata Motors and Bharat Forge for its experience in developing such a complex vehicle.

Mahindra and BAE Systems too have reportedly joined hands for the same project. L&T has already worked with Nexter for a long range gun system. A unit of truck manufacturer Ashok Leyland formed a consortium with L&T and Nexter for mounted gun system.

Asked if a new company would be formed to bid for the project, Kalyani said, "It will become a new separate company when production starts. Right now, we are building prototypes. In that each one will have its work share. We have made the bid for the project jointly. There are three players who are going to get the prototype award. One of them is the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB). The other two will be private players, for which there are 10 contenders."

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 17 Feb 2016 08:51

Looking at the layout of NAMICA and considering the size of missile, auto-loading the missile from within the compartment does not seem feasible. And since the turret has been replaced by missile complex, the commander and gunner will have to enter from the rear doors.

And present format gives six-ready to fire missiles. Maybe, one more re-load set is being carried internally by the vehicle. We're looking at a crew of 3 or 4 people. Driver, gunner and commander. And if there is reload, then maybe one person for reloading.

Given the space and layout, a mast mounted EO complex does not seem feasible. Unless, the commander's sight on top can be raised/lowered to some limited extent.

All in all, about time we get the system into service.

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 17 Feb 2016 16:24

BAE Systems down-selects Mahindra for assembling & testing M777 howitzers.

BAE Systems on Wednesday announced selection of Mahindra as its India partner for the nearly USD 700 million deal for the supply of 145 M777 howitzers, which are ultralight weight artillery guns having a strike range of 25 kms.The gun deal would be through Foreign Military Sales (FMS) but the "spares, maintenance and ammunition will be operated through Indian systems", defence sources said.

"BAE Systems has down-selected Mahindra as its business partner for the proposed in-country Assembly, Integration & Test (AIT) facility for the M777 Ultra Lightweight Howitzer," BAE said in a statement.India and the United States are in discussion for supply of 145 M777A2 LW155 howitzers for the Indian Army, it said.

"BAE Systems looks forward to working with Mahindra in the coming weeks to finalize details of this AIT facility and to negotiate the terms of its contractual arrangement," the company said.

Last year, BAE developed and submitted a US government- supported proposal offering a higher degree of indigenisation on the M777 weapon system.The highlight of this is the commitment to establish AIT capabilities in India in partnership with a domestic Indian company.

"The selection follows a detailed assessment of Mahindra's ability to fulfil the requirements and provide the best value to the M777 India programme, and in the future, grow its capability as a strategic partner for BAE Systems in India," it said.

Joe Senftle, Vice President and General Manager, Weapon Systems, BAE Systems said that as a founding partner of defence manufacturing in India, BAE Systems "is pleased to partner with Mahindra".The facility is a fundamental part of the M777 production line.

A domestic Assembly, Integration and Test facility will enable the Indian Army to access maintenance, spares and support for the M777 locally."We will continue to support the two Governments to progress to contract agreement so that we may begin the process of 'Make in India' for M777," Senftle said.

On its part, Mahindra said M777 will give the army a much needed operational advantage and an access to state-of-the-art technology. "Mahindra M777 facility will also ensure that the life cycle support is available locally thereby enhancing operational availability of the guns," SP Shukla, Group President, Mahindra Defence & Aerospace, Mahindra Group said.

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 17 Feb 2016 23:07

RuN-D-TV show featuring Baba Kalyani and his Howitzer making factory.

Walk the talk with Baba Kalyani.

Chalte Chalte with Baba Kalyani. This part in Hindi has more pertinent info.

Excerpts:

-They bought the artillery plant from Rhinemetall, but designed and built the 155 MM gun on their own in 18 months.

-They make landing gears for aircrafts.

-They make jet engine blades for Rolls Royce.

-They make structural components using titanium for Boeing.

-Kalyani Strategic Systems Ltd has reduced the weight of 105 MM Indian Field Gun by redesigning it and brought the weight down from 4 tons to 900 Kgs by using Aluminium Alloy.

-They used their own technology and made barrels for T-72 tanks (One thousand T-72 tanks are non-operational due to barrel issues)Ministry of Defence has not yet tested it.

-Wheels for T-72 and T-90 tanks are made by Bharat Forge. When they proposed to the defence ministry to do it the Russians tried to scamper the move but they persisted and the then Defense Minister KC Pant gave them the go-ahead provided they invested their own money on it.

-They intend to be in the Top 3 in the world in the Artillery business.

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 20 Feb 2016 18:17

Bharat Forge currently working on five artillery gun platforms.

Kalyani said the opportunity in the domestic market is huge as new orders for 4,000 guns are up for grabs in 10-15 years with each order costing Rs 12-14 crore. Bharat Forge is adopting a three-pronged approach to participate in the aritellery business — first, capture new gun requirement for future needs; second, substitute 75-90 per cent of imports on the current platforms — which Kalyani says is a low-hanging fruit; and, third, offer consumable parts for the artillery business.

d_berwal · Post by **d_berwal** » 20 Feb 2016 18:58

srai wrote:^^^

That looks like Khrizantema-S anti-tank missile armoured vehicle.

Only similarity is the twin missile set.

This is modified BMP 2 chassis without turret and slightly raised height from rear to middle.

Khrizantema-S uses BMP 3 chassis.

raghava · Post by **raghava** » 21 Feb 2016 20:01

The list describes various subsystems developed for making IN Ships stealthier. Various labs have contributed their bit. Most of these subsystems are active on various operational IN ships. All of these subsystems will figure on every indigenous ship of IN going forward. Some subsystems have roadmaps to improve characteristics and the improved version will be incorporated during refits.

Though the scientists were eager to talk about how IN ships have benefited from these, no one was willing to answer any questions when I asked if such features exist or are planned for submarines also.

member_29350 · Post by **member_29350** » 21 Feb 2016 22:21

Well, is there any material on what these thingabobs do?

raghava · Post by **raghava** » 21 Feb 2016 23:31

There is, actually; if you know where to look!

*RT stands for Radio Transmitter
*GT stands for Gas Turbine

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 24 Feb 2016 22:44

HAL, BAE Eye Joint Venture for Hawk, Jaguar Work.

BAE Systems and India's state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. (HAL) are considering establishing a joint venture to co-produce variants of the Hawk trainer, upgrade the Jaguar aircraft and establish a partnership focused on logistics and producing spares in India.

T. Suvarna Raju, HAL chairman and managing director, said, "We are in active dialogue with BAE Systems for exploring long-term opportunities to provide upgrades and logistics and spares support solutions for both Hawk trainer and Jaguar combat aircraft [which are already license-produced by HAL] for a worldwide market."

HAL and BAE have also decided to showcase a static display of the Combat Hawk in the Aero India air show in 2017, Raju added.

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 24 Feb 2016 22:46

India To Get Its First Electronic Warfare Test Facility In A Year.

India will soon have a test facility including a test range for Electronic Warfare (EW) at Defence Electronic Research Laboratory (DLRL), Hyderabad.

“The project to set up the EW test facility is being taken up on priority. The DRDO is working on the details and the test range is likely to come up in one year,” Scientific Advisor to the Defence Minister, G Satheesh Reddy, on the sidelines of an international conference on Electronic Warfare in Bengaluru on Tuesday was quoted as saying by Indian Express news daily.

“Efforts are being made to reduce import of equipment in the area of EW by developing indigenous radars and other devices. “Development of indigenous seekers and radars is in highly advanced stage, probably we may not require import (of those equipment) in next few years,” Reddy said.

The conference is organised by the Association of Old Crows (AOC), an international professional non-profit organisation specializing in EW, tactical information operations and associated disciplines with its headquarters in Alexandria, Virginia, USA.

President of AOC India Chapter U K Revankar said the proposed test facility will reduce time taken for testing and integration of EW equipment on airborne and naval platforms. “Currently, in the absence of such a facility, testing is done in labs using simulators. The test range will be of great help as equipment tested at the range will be fit for flying,” he said.

Revankar, former Director of DARE (Defence Avionics Research Establishment), a DRDO lab in Bengaluru, said the proposed range will require around five square km area that will have various equipment land and airborne equipment, all networked for real-time testing of equipment for identifying communication and radar threats that are important components in EW and taking appropriate action.

member_29350 · Post by **member_29350** » 25 Feb 2016 15:59

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/ban ... 276259.ece

same story with a little more detail

On the positive side, DLRL and the Defence Avionics Research Establishment in Bengaluru were in an advanced stage of developing indigenous seekers and AESA radars. Some of the EW areas may not require imports in the near future, he said.

And the future stuff

Dr. Reddy said defence forces today need the latest transmitters, software defined or digital receivers, signal jammers, fast processing devices with optical and electromagnetic capability and accurately tracking antennas. The defence electronics labs need to develop W-band seeker applications, millimetre-wave based and tera-Hertz technologies to catch up with the world, he added.

tsarkar · Post by **tsarkar** » 26 Feb 2016 15:06

raghava wrote:*RT stands for Radio Transmitter

Radar Transparent

raghava · Post by **raghava** » 26 Feb 2016 15:47

tsarkar wrote:
raghava wrote:*RT stands for Radio Transmitter
Radar Transparent

I stand corrected. - thank you

jayasimha · Post by **jayasimha** » 28 Feb 2016 13:40

Pvt. sector is hungry to contribute..
I sincerely hope this is not just a "bubble gum" giving exercise...

http://english.mathrubhumi.com/news/col ... s-1.891665

jayasimha · Post by **jayasimha** » 28 Feb 2016 16:39

http://www.mangalorean.com/key-sme-defe ... ion/print/

Key SME defence R&D players launch association
Posted By jyothi On February 25, 2016 @ 6:11 pm In National | No Comments
New Delhi, Feb 25 (IANS) Key defence industry players came together on Thursday to launch DIIA that will focus on accelerating indigenous design and development in the sector.

The Defence Industry and Innovators Association (DIIA), will, according to its chairman Ashok Atluri, provide a platform for like-minded organizations to rally around, collaborate and co-operate to forge ahead in ensuring that Make by India becomes a sustainable initiative.

“When you look at the value chain of high-technology complex defence equipment only 30 percent-40 percent of the costs contribute towards cost of manufacturing. Whereas almost 60 percent of the value is captured at the design and development level,” he said.

Till now, he said, there has been no focus on the design and development of defence equipment in India since the focus was always on how to manufacture components or, sometimes, even equipment in India.

Thus, DIIA, “as an organization, believes that the focus on design and development is the only way to become a world-leader and exporter in defence equipment from being the largest importer of defence equipment”.

“That is the only way for India to shed its dependence on imported equipment. Indian defence industry and especially the SMEs which are the cradle of innovation and creativity, can build equipment that not only meets the stringent requirements of the Indian armed forces but also can be exported to countries world-wide,” Atluri, who heads the Hyderabad-based Zen Technologies that manufacturers simulators for a variety of applications, said.

The DIIA’s agenda includes:

* To provide credible Indian defence innovators and industry players a conducive environment and platform to discuss critical industry issues, with the defence SMEs at its core

* To formulate plans to steer the conversation towards ‘Design, Develop & Make in India’ and additionally position indigenous SMEs companies as the cradles of innovation

*To make a meaningful contribution to the Indian defence requirements by carefully aligning long-term defence plans and R&D strategy of the Indian Industry to enable larger domestic procurement and also exports from India

* To ensure that Indian defence capabilities that have been developed are nurtured and honed to global standards while preserving them against any predatory tactics.

The DIIA at present has 27 members from across defence verticals, ranging from, avionics, simulation, telecommunication and robotics, among others.

jayasimha · Post by **jayasimha** » 02 Mar 2016 14:05

Any body interested and have some time may please attend the

National Science Day (2016) celebrations
.
DEFENSE SCIENCE FORUM
.
Defense Research & Development Organisation cordially invites all to attend
National Science Day Oration on
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Renewal Energy Roadmap – R&D issues by
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Shri Upendra Tripathy, IAS
Secretary, Ministry of New and Renewable Energy
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Dr. S. Christopher
Secretary DD R&D and Director General DRDO will preside over the function
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venue and date..
4 March 2016...... 11 AM
Kothari Auditorium, DRDO Bhawan New Delhi

jayasimha · Post by **jayasimha** » 02 Mar 2016 16:12

SOME OLD NEWS,,

http://pib.nic.in/newsite/PrintRelease. ... lid=135857

27-January-2016 19:58 IST

Defence Minister Presents Rakshamantri Award for Excellence for 2012-13 and 2013-14

The Defence Minister Shri Manohar Parrikar gave away the RakshaMantri Awards for Excellence for the years 2012-13 and 2013-14 here today in recognition of exemplary performance amongst Ordnance Factories and the nine Defence Public Sector Undertakings (DPSUs). Speaking on the occasion Shri Parrikar call upon the DPSUs to compete with the private sector. He emphasised that the government’s efforts are to indigenise production. He further stated that based on his experience government is a powerful institution which can effectively deliver in a restricted timeframe, while following the procedures.

The awards were given in three major categories, i.e., ‘Institutional Awards’, ‘Best Performing Division/Factory/Shipyard Awards’ and ‘Group/Individual Awards’. Under the Institutional awards, there are two sub-categories for which DPSUs and OFB can compete i.e. overall performance and performance in exports. In the second category, there are three awards; for the best performing division of DPSUs, the best performing factory of OFB and the best performing shipyard. In the third category, there are three sub-categories – one on indigenization, one on design effort and one on innovation for which both OFB and DPSUs can compete.

Gyan · Post by **Gyan** » 06 Mar 2016 12:17

It is extremely dis-appointing that total DRDO budget is stagnant and Capital budget has actually fallen in Nominal as well as real terms.

The Actual Capital Expenditure for DRDO for FY 2014-15 was Rs 7483

While the present Budget Allocation for DRDO for FY 2016-2016 is only Rs 6866

Which is fall of 9% in Nominal terms and a fall of around 20-25% in Real/Inflation/Foreign Exchange Effect adjusted terms.

It seems that primary increase is in Para Military/Central Police Force budget, which indicates that present Govt intends to fight terrorism war defensively without any pretense of building up indigenous Military Industrial Infrastructure. Our Defence Minister inspite of talking a lot has still not placed "actual orders" for additional LCA, Dhanush, Nag missiles, Excalibur Rifles etc. or cleared any major Defense R&D project or even RTA, NCA etc.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 07 Mar 2016 09:54

Cross posting.

Babudom will bomb "Make in India" if they do not reform themselves. Time has come for NaMo to compulsory retire a big chunk of babus (dead wood), and bring new talent.

Before you make it, you gotta shake it

“We are really taking giant strides. OFB is full committed to outsourcing to vendors. Did you know, OFB has outsourced the entire production of uppers for shoes and only makes soles!” the secretary declaimed triumphantly, pausing for dramatic effect, possibly expecting thundering applause.
..........
One esteemed Indian corporate house had confessed that they got out of the defence business, simply frustrated with the petty extortion of inspectors that came to approve perfectly machined ammunition boxes.

Revising the questions asked, that was one that stood out as a plea against such whimsy.

HAL and OFB had conveniently interpreted Make In India to mean, in their world view, getting a trope of parts suppliers who would deliver bits and pieces for their gigantic endeavours.

srai · Post by **srai** » 07 Mar 2016 10:54

kmkraoind wrote:Cross posting.

Babudom will bomb "Make in India" if they do not reform themselves. Time has come for NaMo to compulsory retire a big chunk of babus (dead wood), and bring new talent.

Before you make it, you gotta shake it

“We are really taking giant strides. OFB is full committed to outsourcing to vendors. Did you know, OFB has outsourced the entire production of uppers for shoes and only makes soles!” the secretary declaimed triumphantly, pausing for dramatic effect, possibly expecting thundering applause.
..........
One esteemed Indian corporate house had confessed that they got out of the defence business, simply frustrated with the petty extortion of inspectors that came to approve perfectly machined ammunition boxes.

Revising the questions asked, that was one that stood out as a plea against such whimsy.

HAL and OFB had conveniently interpreted Make In India to mean, in their world view, getting a trope of parts suppliers who would deliver bits and pieces for their gigantic endeavours.

MIC will always be a mix of public-private partnership. There needs to be better definition and coordination of what the public sector will be tasked with versus the private sector. This should be done at national level and not left to individual public entity to figure out what to outsource. Gradual transition needs to be mapped out. Also, red-tape needs to be removed and more transparency needs to be introduced to the whole outsourcing/production process. GoI needs to have favorable financing scheme in place to support MSE and large corporate during their involvement in the RFI/RFP and this needs to be time-bound. Eventual goal should be to enable the creation of as many Tier-1 manufactures and suppliers as feasible, and who in turn, rely on thousands of Tier-2/3 MSE.

A Sharma · Post by **A Sharma** » 09 Mar 2016 01:10

Achievements made by DRDO

List percentage of import content in some of the major DRDO systems.

jayasimha · Post by **jayasimha** » 09 Mar 2016 12:54

http://pib.nic.in/newsite/PrintRelease. ... lid=137363
Press Information Bureau
Government of India
Ministry of Defence
04-March-2016 18:53 IST
Fine-Tuning Foreign Military Sales (FMS) Procedure with us Government by Ministry of Defence

Part of Scrupulous and Holistic Financial Management

The Ministry of Defence has fine-tuned the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) procedure with the US Government. Rather than raising bills case-wise every quarter, all the funds against various cases have been pooled together in a corpus. As and when funds are required to be paid per case, in fulfillment of contractual liabilities, the said amount is being withdrawn from the corpus. Consequent to this creation of the corpus in consultation with the US Government, no payments have been made in the last two quarters of the financial year 2015-16, against cases which necessitated payments, against the said contracts. Instead, payment is being effected from the corpus of 2.3 billion US Dollars. It is hoped that no payments shall be required to be made till the amount of 2.3 billion US Dollars is depleted and there is a necessity for us to replenish certain amount as required. This has happened through scrupulous and holistic financial management. Consequently, while US government will continue to meet their contractual obligations, there will be no additional burden on Government of India on this account. It enables utilization of scarce funds on other projects and hedges the country against adverse exchange rates.

http://www.thehansindia.com/posts/index ... DO-/212392

Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) is a Mission Mode Organisation, which is primarily engaged in design and development of strategic, complex and security sensitive systems for the Armed Forces. DRDO has developed number of systems/products/ technologies, a large number of which have already been productionised. The value of systems/products/technologies developed by DRDO and inducted into Services or in the process of induction stands at over Rs. 1,90,000 Crore.

These include combat vehicles; missiles; multi-barrel rocket launcher; unmanned aerial vehicles; radars; electronic warfare systems; sonars; torpedos; bridging systems; combat aircraft; sensors; NBC technologies; parachutes; combat free fall systems; propellants and explosives; detonators; communication systems; armaments systems; cyber systems, etc. These are helpful in the long run for the country to achieve self-reliance in defence sector.
Significant achievements of DRDO:

Some of the major products/systems developed by DRDO and accepted/inducted by Armed Forces are:

Platforms:

· Light Combat Aircraft ‘Tejas’

· Remotely Piloted Vehicle ‘Nishant’

· Pilotless Target Aircraft ‘Lakshya-I’

· Main Battle Tank ‘Arjun Mk-I’

· Armoured Amphibious Dozer Mk-I

· Armoured Engineer Recce Vehicle

· NBC Recce Vehicle

· Bridging Systems ‘Sarvatra’

Sensors:

· Airborne Early Warning & Control (AEW&C)

· Integrated Sonar System for EKM Submarine.

· Hull Mounted Sonar.

· Short Range Battle Field Surveillance Radar

· Weapon Locating Radar ‘Swathi’

· 3D Low Level Light Weight Radar ‘Aslesha’ Mk-I

· 3D Surveillance Radar ‘Revathi’

· Electronic Warfare System for Navy ‘Sangraha’

· Electronic Warfare System for Army ‘Samyukta’

· Electronic Warfare System ‘Divya Drishti’

· Electronic Support Measure ‘Varuna’

· Commander’s Thermal Imager Mk-II for T-72, T-90 and BMP tanks

· Holographic Sights for Small Weapons

Weapon Systems:

· Akash Weapon System

· Prithvi Missile for Army and Air Force

· Supersonic Cruise Missile ‘BrahMos’

· Multi Barrel Rocket Launcher System ‘Pinaka’ Mk-I

· Torpedo Advanced Light

· Heavy Weight Ship Launched Torpedo ‘Varunastra’

Soldier Support Systems:

· Computerised Pilot Selection System for Indian Air Force

· Telemedicine System for Navy

· Submarine Escape Suit

· Flame Retardant Gloves

· NBC products

DRDO has been making all possible efforts to increase indigenous content in DRDO products. The percentage of import content in some of the major DRDO systems are given below:

System

Import Content

(in %)

Airborne Early Warning & Control (AEW&C) System (excluding Aircraft)

16

Pilotless Target Aircraft (PTA), Lakshya

5 - 7

Remotely Piloted Vehicle (RPV), Nishant

10

Aircraft Arrester Barrier

5

Light Combat Aircraft (LCA)

40

Combat Free Fall System

35

Parachutes

0

Heavy Drop System

10

Agni Missile

15

Prithvi Missile

15

Akash Missile

10

Nag Missile

30

Supersonic Cruise Missile, BrahMos

65

Long Range Surface to Air Missile (LR-SAM)

60

Multi Barrel Rocket System-Pinaka

10

MBT Arjun

55

Radars

10

Electronic Warfare Systems

5 – 30

Sonars

5 - 30

Pocket Dosimeter

12

Portable Dose Rate Meter

9

Roentegnometer

6

NBC Recce Vehicle

5

This information was given by Defence Minister Shri Manohar Parrikar in a written reply to Shri Tarun Vijay in Rajya Sabha.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 09 Mar 2016 13:32

Thanks A Sharma and Jaysimha, solid facts versus all the idiotic DDM and Russia/import rakshaks.

srai · Post by **srai** » 09 Mar 2016 17:16

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DRDO has been making all possible efforts to increase indigenous content in DRDO products.  The percentage of import content in some of the major DRDO systems are given below:

System                                                   Import Content (in %)
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Airborne Early Warning & Control (AEW&C) System (excluding Aircraft) ........ 16
Pilotless Target Aircraft (PTA), Lakshya  .............  5 - 7
Remotely Piloted Vehicle (RPV), Nishant .................. 10
Aircraft Arrester Barrier ................................ 5
Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) .............................. 40
Combat Free Fall  System ................................. 35
Parachutes  ............................................... 0
Heavy Drop System ........................................ 10
Agni Missile ............................................. 15
Prithvi Missile .......................................... 15
Akash Missile ............................................ 10
Nag Missile .............................................. 30
Supersonic Cruise Missile, BrahMos ....................... 65
Long Range Surface to Air Missile (LR-SAM) ............... 60
Multi Barrel Rocket System-Pinaka ........................ 10
MBT Arjun ................................................ 55
Radars ................................................... 10
Electronic Warfare Systems ............................. 5 – 30
Sonars ................................................. 5 - 30
Pocket Dosimeter  ........................................ 12
Portable Dose Rate Meter ................................. 9
Roentegnometer ........................................... 6
NBC Recce Vehicle ........................................ 5

This information was given by Defence Minister Shri Manohar Parrikar in a written reply to Shri Tarun Vijay in Rajya Sabha.

Interesting disclosure on import content percentages on various indigenous products. Wondering if that is "by price" or "by parts count"? It seems to be "by price". Seeker would be the most expensive part and it reflects in the percentages above i.e. 30% import in Nag (w/ seeker) vs 10% import in Akash (no seeker).

Missing is ALH.

Looking at two JVs, Brahmos and Barak-8, the import content is 60% or more. One would have expected the import content for Brahmos to be lower by now after years of volume production. Can the same occur with Barak-8 when it enters volume production in India?

Sid · Post by **Sid** » 09 Mar 2016 18:04

Import content across all IGMDP program seems to be ~15%. Must be related to navigation (RLG) or metallurgy (some high strength alloy).

P.S. Why Shri Tarun Vijay from Rajya Sabha is interested in this information? People who knows to read between the lines can deduce a lot from this above response.

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 10 Mar 2016 18:28

DIPP grants 12 industrial licences to Reliance Defence.

In a boost to Anil Ambani-led Reliance Group, DIPP has approved 12 industrial licences to Reliance Defence, an arm of Reliance Infrastructure, for manufacturing of a wide range of defence equipment.

The licence approval by the Department of Industrial Policy and Promotion (DIPP) for strategic business units (SBUs) of Reliance Defence is aimed at addressing defence programmes in India and overseas.

“The foray of Reliance into these areas will give added traction to the Indian government’s Make in India and Skill India initiatives,” a senior official of the company said.

In the aerospace segment, with licences to manufacture military aircraft and helicopters, the company looks to meet amphibious aircraft requirements of the Indian Navy, pegged at Rs 9,000 crore, and light utility helicopters, an opportunity valued at more than Rs 20,000 crore. In addition, there is a requirement of 160-200 medium-to-heavy helicopters valued at Rs 50,000 crore.

The transport and the combat aircraft requirements for the Indian Air Force in the next 10 years will be in excess of Rs 60,000 crore, something the company is also eyeing.

In Land Systems, Reliance has got licences for manufacturing of missiles and all-terrain combat vehicles.

The key programmes in this segment include short-, medium- and long-range missile systems with programme value in excess of Rs 50,000 crore.

The Indian Army will spend an additional Rs 50,000 crore over the next 10-15 years on different combat vehicles.

As for Naval Systems, Reliance is focusing on key areas, as is evident from licences for air independent propulsion technology and Hull penetrators and connectors along with motor shafts and propulsion systems, the company official said.

In the case of unmanned aerial systems, the company is looking at various requirements from the Indian Navy, the Army and the Air Force. The combined value of these programmes over next 10 years is expected to top Rs 30,000 crore.

For the export market, Reliance Strategic Electronics Division (SED) plans to target the global market of USD 7 billion to manufacture night vision devices (NVDs) and surveillance ones.

There is a large market for combat vehicles in the Middle East, Africa and South America. Reliance is aiming at developing an infantry combat vehicle, which will not only address domestic requirements, but can also take care of the global opportunities estimated at about USD 50 billion.

Gyan · Post by **Gyan** » 10 Mar 2016 19:13

srai wrote:

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DRDO has been making all possible efforts to increase indigenous content in DRDO products.  The percentage of import content in some of the major DRDO systems are given below:

System                                                   Import Content (in %)
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Airborne Early Warning & Control (AEW&C) System (excluding Aircraft) ........ 16
Pilotless Target Aircraft (PTA), Lakshya  .............  5 - 7
Remotely Piloted Vehicle (RPV), Nishant .................. 10
Aircraft Arrester Barrier ................................ 5
Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) .............................. 40
Combat Free Fall  System ................................. 35
Parachutes  ............................................... 0
Heavy Drop System ........................................ 10
Agni Missile ............................................. 15
Prithvi Missile .......................................... 15
Akash Missile ............................................ 10
Nag Missile .............................................. 30
Supersonic Cruise Missile, BrahMos ....................... 65
Long Range Surface to Air Missile (LR-SAM) ............... 60
Multi Barrel Rocket System-Pinaka ........................ 10
MBT Arjun ................................................ 55
Radars ................................................... 10
Electronic Warfare Systems ............................. 5 – 30
Sonars ................................................. 5 - 30
Pocket Dosimeter  ........................................ 12
Portable Dose Rate Meter ................................. 9
Roentegnometer ........................................... 6
NBC Recce Vehicle ........................................ 5

This information was given by Defence Minister Shri Manohar Parrikar in a written reply to Shri Tarun Vijay in Rajya Sabha.

Interesting disclosure on import content percentages on various indigenous products. Wondering if that is "by price" or "by parts count"? It seems to be "by price". Seeker would be the most expensive part and it reflects in the percentages above i.e. 30% import in Nag (w/ seeker) vs 10% import in Akash (no seeker).

Missing is ALH.

Looking at two JVs, Brahmos and Barak-8, the import content is 60% or more. One would have expected the import content for Brahmos to be lower by now after years of volume production. Can the same occur with Barak-8 when it enters volume production in India?

As a thumb rule, per my understanding, the indigenization is mentioned as % of Price. At 60% import content, one can estimate that indigenous components are practically Zero except for some packaging etc. At 30% import content, the core components and technology are still imported. The real indigenisation, at component level, as per the statistics released happens after the import content falls to 25% and indigenisation rises to 75%+. Off course there are some exceptions like LCA, Arjun where indigenisation of engines and radars, electronics is on-going endeavor.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 10 Mar 2016 19:24

Vipul wrote:DIPP grants 12 industrial licences to Reliance Defence.

In a boost to Anil Ambani-led Reliance Group, DIPP has approved 12 industrial licences to Reliance Defence, an arm of Reliance Infrastructure, for manufacturing of a wide range of defence equipment.

The licence approval by the Department of Industrial Policy and Promotion (DIPP) for strategic business units (SBUs) of Reliance Defence is aimed at addressing defence programmes in India and overseas.

“The foray of Reliance into these areas will give added traction to the Indian government’s Make in India and Skill India initiatives,” a senior official of the company said.

In the aerospace segment, with licences to manufacture military aircraft and helicopters, the company looks to meet amphibious aircraft requirements of the Indian Navy, pegged at Rs 9,000 crore, and light utility helicopters, an opportunity valued at more than Rs 20,000 crore. In addition, there is a requirement of 160-200 medium-to-heavy helicopters valued at Rs 50,000 crore.

The transport and the combat aircraft requirements for the Indian Air Force in the next 10 years will be in excess of Rs 60,000 crore, something the company is also eyeing.

In Land Systems, Reliance has got licences for manufacturing of missiles and all-terrain combat vehicles.

The key programmes in this segment include short-, medium- and long-range missile systems with programme value in excess of Rs 50,000 crore.

The Indian Army will spend an additional Rs 50,000 crore over the next 10-15 years on different combat vehicles.

As for Naval Systems, Reliance is focusing on key areas, as is evident from licences for air independent propulsion technology and Hull penetrators and connectors along with motor shafts and propulsion systems, the company official said.

In the case of unmanned aerial systems, the company is looking at various requirements from the Indian Navy, the Army and the Air Force. The combined value of these programmes over next 10 years is expected to top Rs 30,000 crore.

For the export market, Reliance Strategic Electronics Division (SED) plans to target the global market of USD 7 billion to manufacture night vision devices (NVDs) and surveillance ones.

There is a large market for combat vehicles in the Middle East, Africa and South America. Reliance is aiming at developing an infantry combat vehicle, which will not only address domestic requirements, but can also take care of the global opportunities estimated at about USD 50 billion.

With this move NDA govt has started dismantling the foreign arms trader hafta model of Congress ushered in after 1947. In future Indian politicians will be funded by Indian weapons makers. Even if NDA does not return to power.

This is a blow to the UK installed arms import system. lets see how it develops.

In every country the politicians are beholden to domestic arms merchants except under Congress ruled India.
Now these are evened out.

But at same time AA is a scumbag.

Gyan · Post by **Gyan** » 10 Mar 2016 19:28

I am posting a link from a blog which claims that it is brochure of IRDE. Can somebody use it to interpret our standing in development of Thermal seekers/detectors? It seems to me that we have not even started putting up Fab for detectors and it "proposed" to be set up with hopeful completion date of 2019 (?)

Link:- https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-6fsV-lAot90/ ... BTrend.jpg

Gyan · Post by **Gyan** » 10 Mar 2016 19:31

Re Ramana:-

Traditionally Arms Manufactures, Mafia, Media, Religious institutions are supposed to patriotic (sic?) and indigenous as they depend on Govt for patronage. Only in India all 4 are against us.

sudeepj · Post by **sudeepj** » 10 Mar 2016 20:58

Gyan wrote: As a thumb rule, per my understanding, the indigenization is mentioned as % of Price. At 60% import content, one can estimate that indigenous components are practically Zero except for some packaging etc. At 30% import content, the core components and technology are still imported. The real indigenisation, at component level, as per the statistics released happens after the import content falls to 25% and indigenisation rises to 75%+. Off course there are some exceptions like LCA, Arjun where indigenisation of engines and radars, electronics is on-going endeavor.

Completely incorrect understanding. The key value addition is in the design. The next major part being manufacture and the least being integration/testing. Support over the product Life Cycle is another large chunk of the overall life cycle cost. The above approach is naive in that it is likely undervaluing the design ownership and also the costs of software developed locally. Globally, it is actually the software (and integration) that dominates the cost of smart weapon systems.

The ownership of the design allows for a much greater degree of strategic autonomy. For instance, if you own the design (say for the LCA), if one engine is denied to you, you can replace it with another. You can even design the plane to specs that will allow it to switch one engine for another. The original design of the LCA was to use the Kaveri, which was later switched to the Ge404. I have absolutely no doubt that if the GE engine is not available, another suitable one could be chosen and LCA made to work.

Varoon Shekhar · Post by **Varoon Shekhar** » 10 Mar 2016 22:03

So when it is stated that the avionics for Brahmos are Indian, it essentially means that the DRDO and other agencies have produced some parts and then integrated and configured them. But the main components and materials are almost all imported?

A couple of years ago, Karan listed all the things in Brahmos that are Indian made, it was really encouraging to read it. So it is more design, configure and assemble, with minimal indigenous manufacture, than actual production at the component level.

Gyan · Post by **Gyan** » 11 Mar 2016 16:43

My understanding is correct. Kindly read the whole post. LCA & Arjun is exception as we own the design & integration IPR while trying to move up the chain of component indigenisation. Brahmos, LRSAM, Vikhr missile, Shakti Engine etc are fake JVs and Super Fake ToT wherein practically no core component is indigenised. In fact these continuing imports impede genuine indigenous products.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 12 Mar 2016 02:34

Gyan wrote:My understanding is correct. Kindly read the whole post. LCA & Arjun is exception as we own the design & integration IPR while trying to move up the chain of component indigenisation. Brahmos, LRSAM, Vikhr missile, Shakti Engine etc are fake JVs and Super Fake ToT wherein practically no core component is indigenised. In fact these continuing imports impede genuine indigenous products.

You are mistaken. The counts given above are for LRU count, because by cost, it would be higher, since imported systems eg engines and radar systems on LCA would count for far more than local items. What that means is that even if you have high import percentage by cost, it does not translate into low indigenization OR high indigenization because you can have 90% indigenization by LRU count and merely a handful of imported systems can get the import percentage to very high terms.

There is no "given fact" that indigenization is by cost alone.

The above list mentions LCA indigenization is 60 percent

This closely tracks previous reports. As of 2013, the number of indigenous fully built up LRUs was 53%.
https://www.ada.gov.in/images/ADA-IND.pdf
http://www.deccanherald.com/content/325 ... ft-go.html

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 12 Mar 2016 02:38

Varoon Shekhar wrote:So when it is stated that the avionics for Brahmos are Indian, it essentially means that the DRDO and other agencies have produced some parts and then integrated and configured them. But the main components and materials are almost all imported?

A couple of years ago, Karan listed all the things in Brahmos that are Indian made, it was really encouraging to read it. So it is more design, configure and assemble, with minimal indigenous manufacture, than actual production at the component level.

The Brahmos missile has its core seeker and engine mostly imported.
Indian avionics are a mix of production at component level and commercial off the shelf systems, same as worldwide production. In fact some famous items are heavily import dependent in terms of some raw hardware.
For instance, a Rafael Litening pod which IAF relies on has optics from Carl Zeiss, commercial processors and other modules.