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Postby Prasad » 12 Nov 2019 13:32

There are technical as well as financial challenges for making Cf. Earlier attempts have failed for various reasons. Like JayS says, scale is important for continuous improvement and viability of a plant itself. Unfortunately, lack of scale pushes up product price. When there is availability abroad at cheaper rates, Indian companies will procure from the cheaper source, indegenisation be damned. Either the government subsidises such products or blocks imports when raw material is locally available, it will be an issue. And this isn't restricted to Cf alone. All sorts of metals and alloys face a similar issue.

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Postby jaysimha » 12 Nov 2019 14:01

=general information=
THE INDIAN INSTITUTE OF METALS NMD ATM 2019
International Symposium on “Advanced Materials for Industrial and Societal Applications” 13 November, 2019
https://www.iimnmdatm2019.org/downloads ... ochure.pdf
Kovalam, Thiruvananthapuram

Programme

https://iim-india.net/userfiles/UKM-IS- ... 311029.pdf

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Postby Karan M » 12 Nov 2019 14:14

JayS wrote:
Karan M wrote:
Well, if the company was in financial straits and has only been procured recently by Reliance, how will its process be either cost-effective or widely used. Both often (not always) go hand-in-hand. Even a relatively cost-effective process, may often need economy of scale for the company to offer it widely, and yet make a profit. Otherwise it will run a loss and go into debt, and be financially non-viable. The important part is the process works and if the manpower has not been lost, Reliance's support may be enough to make a difference.


Reliance's support it not the only thing here (if I understand correctly you mean the monetary support). Theoretically speaking,It is but natural for Reliance to diversify in this field given their background in Petrochemicals and in textile. Add to that Mota Bhai's ability to mobilise capital (money and political), Reliance is well placed to become a major global supplier in Carbon Fibre and pre-preg sheets manufacturing, if they can leverage their inhouse technical expertise and capability to scale up.

But the big question is of Market. To prime the pump, GOI needs to provide the initial volume for a few years. Reliance can then foray in the global supply chain from there. Future prospects are good on paper. They would hold a monopoly on Indian market for time to come as entry barrier to this business is rather high and with one powerful player in the field, hardly anyone will want to compete.


I meant both monetary and Reliance's domain expertise and ability to fix programs. I am sure they did a good analysis before picking up the plant. Its very good news they picked it up and not any small firm which too would have struggled to commercialize the tech en masse at the right price. I wouldnt depend on GOI for anything, the combination of babus and paperwork means they take 10 years to take a decision which would otherwise be common-sensical and even Modi has not been quite able to fix that. His recent (supposed) comment on "you wasted my first 5 years" also indicates that.

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Postby Vips » 12 Nov 2019 18:41

I remember posting on the forum on what i thought was exciting news of Reliance taking over Kemrock 2-3 years back. Looking at the strategic possibilities i had reported the takeover with great enthusiasm. But seemingly nothing has happened and there is no news after that.

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Postby csaurabh » 12 Nov 2019 19:51

JayS wrote:
But the big question is of Market. To prime the pump, GOI needs to provide the initial volume for a few years. Reliance can then foray in the global supply chain from there. Future prospects are good on paper. They would hold a monopoly on Indian market for time to come as entry barrier to this business is rather high and with one powerful player in the field, hardly anyone will want to compete.


Market?? There are 20+ composite companies in India ( at least ), along with ISRO/DRDO/etc. Why wouldn't there be a market?

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Postby ramana » 12 Nov 2019 22:01

Relax. Tell us what the market is what composites are being made? Fabric, resin, type of composite.
are there fabric weaving companies for net shape structures?

One US company in the 90s was started by a Textile Machinery Engineer from India.

He is retired and his business was acquired by some other entity.
He used textile weaving machines to make fabric preforms which can be resin impregnated.

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Postby csaurabh » 12 Nov 2019 23:18

ramana wrote:Relax. Tell us what the market is what composites are being made? Fabric, resin, type of composite.
are there fabric weaving companies for net shape structures?


Yes, Tulasi and Agnivastra. But they are handwoven ( ie. handloom ) to make preforms.
Advanced machines for production of near net shape fabrics are made by Dornier and Staubli, but they are highly restricted items and such machinery cannot be imported into India.

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Postby ramdas » 12 Nov 2019 23:37

Do we have the ability as of now to produce high strength carbon fibres (T-700/T-800/T-1000) in quantity? That would be required if we needed to make efficient solid motors with high chamber pressure. Saurav Jha once tweeted that the reason for sticking to steel motor casings for first stages was lack of production capabilities for such fibres.

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Postby Prasad » 12 Nov 2019 23:45

ramdas wrote:Do we have the ability as of now to produce high strength carbon fibres (T-700/T-800/T-1000) in quantity? That would be required if we needed to make efficient solid motors with high chamber pressure. Saurav Jha once tweeted that the reason for sticking to steel motor casings for first stages was lack of production capabilities for such fibres.

No.

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Postby Karan M » 13 Nov 2019 00:22

Vips wrote:I remember posting on the forum on what i thought was exciting news of Reliance taking over Kemrock 2-3 years back. Looking at the strategic possibilities i had reported the takeover with great enthusiasm. But seemingly nothing has happened and there is no news after that.


These things take time. Getting a distressed acquisition to start up is hard, plus they are looking at improvements, modifications for max cost-effectiveness.

From the start of this year.
https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/ec ... 86307.ece#

Vipul Shah, COO, Petrochemical Division, Reliance Industries, said the company will soon start its carbon fibre plant, which will boost India’s composites industry’s future in sectors such as rail and infrastructure.

Reliance Industries plans to make low-cost and high-volume composite products like modular toilets, building material and composites for windmill blades and rotor blades.

Reliance is also developing capabilities for 3D printing of a wide range of plastic and metals products. It plans to produce graphene, enhanced plastics, elastomers and fibre-reinforced composites that can replace steel.


FY2018-19 report

Carbon Fibers – light weighting of materials
Electric vehicles demand light weighting of automotive body parts without sacrificing strength. Carbon fiber composites have the potential to satisfy this need. However, they need to be developed at a cost-effective price point. Towards this goal, RIL R&T is developing technologies for carbon fibers using various raw materials and different process approaches

https://www.bseindia.com/bseplus/annual ... 250319.pdf

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Postby Karan M » 13 Nov 2019 00:49

Regarding MIDHANI and its critical importance to the Indian defense sector.
http://www.aeromag.in/ADMS/8924002433.pdf

Could you speak on MIDHANI’s participation in Bahrain Defence Exhibition? What are the highlights?

MIDHANI (Mishra Dhatu Nigam Limited) is an Indian company under Ministry of Defence with 74% shares held by the Govt. of India. It is the only Indian company producing a range of special metals and alloys like special steels, nickel-base super alloys, armour steel titanium and its alloys in various mill forms like bar, plate, sheet, rod etc. The company manufactures high-end alloys for use in the strategic as well as commercial sectors. Materials manufactured at MIDHANI are capable of delivering superior performance under severe and adverse conditions. MIDHANI is capable of offering trustworthy solutions at competitive prices based on lifecycle cost.MIDHANI contributes in the following fields of Defence: Personal & group protection equipment; Armoured vehicle; Light weight armoured protection solution for vital installation and Aircraft and helicopter armouring.

MIDHANI has been a leader in the manufacturing of special materials, alloys and other products for use in the space, defence and energy sectors. Can you share in detail the major areas/ sectors operated by the company?

MIDHANI operates in strategic sectors such as Space, Defence and Energy.
Our primary customers Space, Defence & Energy accounted for 41%, 33% & 19% respectively of our total revenue from operations in Fiscal 2018.

Our product portfolio is in three major areas:
• Super Alloys: Iron, cobalt, nickel base (Largest producer in India)
•Special Alloys: Ferritic, austenitic, martensitic, maraging, precipitation hardened (Niche/Customized producer in India)
• Titanium alloys: Commercially pure titanium & titanium alloys ( Only producer in India)


MIDHANI has developed a new class of nickel-titanium shape memory alloys that can potentially slash the price of stents for the heart and other biomedical devices by half.

Could you describe the latest updates on the company’s operations in the sector?

MIDHANI signed a Transfer of Technology agreement with National Aerospace Laboratories, Bangalore in 2017 and has now started producing Nickel-Titanium Shape Memory Alloys in various mill forms. The Company has already qualified wire and strip products of Nickel-Titanium Shape Memory Alloy for engineering applications and ushered in the realm of commercial production of Nickel-Titanium Shape Memory Alloys by supplying the material to GE India, Bangalore and joined the band of select few shape memory alloy manufacturers in the world.

The process of qualifying other products such as rods, plates and springs too and acquiring some of the production and material testing facilities is in progress.The quality of MIDHANI’s Nickel-Titanium Shape Memory Alloys products for engineering application meets the international standards and the Company is poised to tap the market in Defence Sector. Qualification of Nickel-Titanium Shape Memory Alloys products for biomedical devices and implants are challenging as it needs to meet stringent international standards. MIDHANI is working on it with active support of National Aerospace Laboratories and medical research institutions.

Could you elaborate on products in railway sectors operations?

MIDHANI is setting up a facility for the manufacture of helical compression springs as a part of its forward integration growth options at the existing plant in Hyderabad to cater to the requirements of the Indian Railways, metro coaches and earth-moving equipment.

Could you share with us your vision and priorities for MIDHANI in achieving self-reliance and diverse growth? What are the major priorities to be achieved in the coming years?

MIDHANI was set up with the mission of self-reliance in materials of strategic importance.

Broadly, growth drivers of the company can be summarised as:
• Development of customized alloys (Over 500 grades of special steel, titanium, nickel alloys) for Indian strategic sector
• Focus on value-added products like Lattice tube, Close die forged products, products of special steels, seamless tubes of special steels, super alloys and titanium alloys etc.
• Diversification into new areas – Railway springs, armour (both vehicle protection and personnel protection), tungsten & aluminium alloys

MIDHANI has a vision to cross a turnover of Rs 2,500 crore and achieve 10% total sales value from exports in next five years. The Company is also committed to double the stake holder’s wealth in the same period.

The current priorities of the company are:

• Completion of ongoing modernization and expansion-cum-diversifications projects in next 2-3 Years.• Establish International presence as a supplier of special metal & alloys in Middle East & Europe.
• Continuous focus on R&D innovation projects in the areas of Metal Powder, Artificial Intelligence, sustainability of critical inputs like Nickel, Cobalt etc.

Could you highlight the details of alloys developed by MIDHANI?

We have designed, developed and supplied more than 500 grades of high performance alloys towards programmes of national importance.In the Defence sector, we have developed high strength low alloy steels, air hardening armour steels, special titanium alloys, Naval steels, high saturation magnetic alloys and nickel base alloys. The application area of each alloy is gun barrels of howitzer & Arjun tank, Armour , Piping and heat exchangers, structural forgings, missile control systems and components for Nirbhay missile respectively. In Space sector, the alloys are ultra high strength steel, nickel base super alloys and cobalt base super alloys. The application areas are motor casing of satellite launch vehicles (PSLV and GSLV), semi cryo-engine parts and high strength fasteners. For the Aeronautical sector, MIDHANI offers high strength beta titanium alloys and carburizing steel. The application areas are air frame structures, landing gear & compressor disc and helicopter transmission assembly.Meanwhile for the Energy sector, the Company has developed super alloys and hot erosion resistance alloys. These alloys are meant for AUSC power applications & reactivity control mechanism and thermal power applications.

On the other hand, in the Commercial sector, the alloy developed by MIDHANI is ferro titanium. Its application is in the area of de-oxidation and alloy making.

What is your future strategy for MIDHANI?MIDHANI has forged several partnerships with multinational and Indian companies to enter into new areas, i.e. power generation, oil & gas applications and development of powders for Additive Manufacturing. Our investments in different sectors will start reaping benefits in the coming years. We are pursuing the paths of organic, hybrid and inorganic growths simultaneously.

Organic growth is taking place by setting up wide plate mill, spring plant, armour plant at Rohtak, vacuum induction melting and 3D printing.For hybrid growth, a joint venture has been set up with NALCO for production of aluminum alloys for strategic and commercial applications. Meanwhile, as part of its focus on inorganic growth, MIDHANI is scouting integrated plant of similar facilities in India and abroad for expansion.

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Postby Karan M » 13 Nov 2019 00:52

Interesting reports on GRSE and BDL.
http://www.aeromag.in/ADMS/5165065904.pdf

GRSE indigenizes deck handling equipment and pumps for IN.

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Postby Varoon Shekhar » 13 Nov 2019 02:07

^^
Really nice article about Midhani's achievements. I would not have guessed 500 distinct alloys produced by them! ( maybe 20-30 if i were asked :oops: ) Interestingly, they are downplaying or not even mentioning maraging steel. It was a major breakthrough when it was announced in the late 80s/early 90s. Or was it not Midhani, but ISRO, DRDO or SAIL that made the said breakthrough?

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Postby agupta » 13 Nov 2019 02:44

Varoon Shekhar wrote:^^
Really nice article about Midhani's achievements. I would not have guessed 500 distinct alloys produced by them! ( maybe 20-30 if i were asked :oops: ) Interestingly, they are downplaying or not even mentioning maraging steel. It was a major breakthrough when it was announced in the late 80s/early 90s. Or was it not Midhani, but ISRO, DRDO or SAIL that made the said breakthrough?



It was Midhani. ISRO/DAE/DRDO are or were customers


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Postby Prasad » 15 Nov 2019 15:46

Anyone who hasn't read the stuff Gerard posted in the '65 war history thread, go read rightaway. It is a goldmine of information on the diplomatic manouevering India has had to do since independence. In this context, especially wrt food aid to India by US right from '49-'50 and the far-reaching effects of not being self-sustaining in basics is made abundantly clear in this -
https://library.cqpress.com/cqalmanac/d ... 53-1404062

When the question of food aid to India was brought up by the US president to Congress, it was supported by many. But also opposed by many due to JLN's opposition to UN manouvering by the US to call PRC as the aggressor in the Korean War. End result - much back and forth over whether to call it free aid, loan etc. Finally, pound of flesh to be extracted - Strategic critical raw material export from India as recompense for food grain aid. They had an eye on monazite & thorium but India had already banned their exports. I haven't been able to find out what we did end up exporting instead.

But is a great example to show why fixing the economy and talking to R&D to know what is important is key.


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Postby ramana » 19 Nov 2019 04:02

Mica.
Eventually it got replaced by kapton plastic by Dupont for electrical insulation

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Postby Karan M » 19 Nov 2019 08:07

An excellent write up on the TEDBF by BRFs own DDR guy
http://delhidefencereview.com/2019/11/1 ... tedbf/amp/

Note the following.

1. Confidence to move on to a new clean sheet program vs modifying an existing one with consequent limitations.
2. Maturity to keep the current program running and learn necessary lessons.
3. Design changes based on hands on learning, eg dropping levcons.


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Postby jaysimha » 21 Nov 2019 18:36

FICCI - Indian Army Make Projects Seminar 2019
Oct 11, 2019, FICCI, New Delhi

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http://ficci.in/past-event-page.asp?evid=24462

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Postby jaysimha » 21 Nov 2019 19:12

4th International and 19th National Conference on
Machines and Mechanisms
(5-7 th December, 2019)
Indian Institute of Technology Mandi, Mandi
http://iitmandi.ac.in/iNaCoMM2019/iNaCo ... hedule.pdf

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Postby jaysimha » 22 Nov 2019 13:55

The 4th edition of ‘Smart Border Management’ programme will be organised on December 16-17, 2019 at FICCI, New Delhi.

http://ficci.in/events-page.asp?evid=24480
http://ficci.in/events/24480/Add_docs/B ... t-2019.pdf

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Postby jaysimha » 25 Nov 2019 12:23

DRDO News letter
NOVEMBER 2019 | volume 39 | issue 11
BRAHMOS Supersonic Cruise Missile with major indigenous systems tested
DRDO inks MoU with ISRO for Gaganyaan
Pilot-in-Loop Testing of On-Board Oxygen Generating System centric Integrated Life Support System
https://www.drdo.gov.in/sites/default/files/newsletter-document/NL_Nov2019_0.pdf

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Postby jaysimha » 26 Nov 2019 13:26

https://www.dqindia.com/iit-mandi-invites-registrations-engineers-workshop-aerospace-application-drdo-scientists-take-sessions/

IIT Mandi Invites Registrations from Engineers for Workshop on Aerospace Application,
DRDO Scientists to Take Sessions
which will be held from 11 to 15 February 2020


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Postby jaysimha » 26 Nov 2019 15:41

http://www.barc.gov.in/
Founder's Day 2019
Address by Dr. A. K. Mohanty, Director, BARC
http://www.barc.gov.in/presentations/fddir19.pdf


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Postby jaysimha » 26 Nov 2019 18:38

https://www.cii.in/EventsDetails.aspx?e ... NGTmdOus1w

CII Workshop on Implementation of Industry 4.0 - Future of Manufacturing
Future of Manufacturing in India and Advanced Manufacturing Strategies

Date and Venue
Start Date: Dec 09, 2019, End Date: Dec 13, 2019
Venue: CII Naoroji Godrej Centre of Manufacturing Excellence, Mumbai, Maharashtra, India

Godrej may showcase lot of defence and aerospace innovations

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Postby jaysimha » 26 Nov 2019 18:54

https://www.isro.gov.in/isro-technology ... ogy-offers

New Technologies on Offer for Know-How Transfer
New technology offers from ISRO for know-how transfer to industries. Technologies in Chemical, Electronics, Mechanical and Materials, Sensors, Antenna, Application and Software domains are available for know-how transfer to industries. For more details please download the pdf.

https://www.isro.gov.in/sites/default/f ... er-rev.pdf

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Postby jaysimha » 28 Nov 2019 12:45

Conference and exhibition on Non destructive evaluation
bangalore 5-7, 2019
https://www.nde2019.in/
https://www.nde2019.in/images/PCT_Technical_program.pdf

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Postby jaysimha » 28 Nov 2019 13:01

ICC MSME Buyers Sellers Forum, Summit & Expo 2019
Sectors: - Aerospace, Defence, Space, FMCG & Railways
A National Event (Two Days Program)
12th December 2019, Hyderabad



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https://www.indianchamber.org/icc_events/icc-msme-buyers-sellers-forum-summit-expo-2019/
https://www.indianchamber.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/ICC-MSME-Buyers-and-Sellers-Forum-2019-Brochure.pdf

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Postby jaysimha » 28 Nov 2019 13:16

NEW DRDO'S CENTER TO FOCUS ON CRITICAL IGNITION TECHNOLOGY
Published On 08 Nov 2019 10:46 AM
https://www.industryglobalnews24.com/ne ... technology

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Postby jaysimha » 28 Nov 2019 14:53

Defence Ministry plans more testing facilities for MSMEs
BY IANS | NOV 22, 2019, 05.36 PM IST


Read more at:
http://economictimes.indiatimes.comhttp ... aign=cppst

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“India international Supply Chain Conference in Aero, Space and Defence”
on 17th and 18th January 2020 at Bangalore

https://www.siati.org/iiscc_bro.pdf

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2nd Indian Conference on Antennas & Propagation (InCAP2019) December 19-22, 2019 | Ahmedabad, India


https://www.incap2019.org/

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Postby jaysimha » 02 Dec 2019 18:03

We might have missed this one

Certification of Aircraft Brake Pads & Batteries
https://www.drdo.gov.in/sites/default/files/technology-focus-documrnt/TF_July-Aug_2019_web.pdf
DRDO technology focus
VOL 27 ISSUE 4 July-August 2019
ISSN No. 0971-4413
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https://www.drdo.gov.in/sites/default/files/technology-focus-documrnt/TF_Dec_2019_Web.pdf
DRDO Technology focus
VOL 27 ISSUE 6 December 2019
ISSN No. 0971-4413
ARTILLERY ROCKET SYSTEMS

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Postby abhik » 02 Dec 2019 20:20

jaysimha wrote:Image
2nd Indian Conference on Antennas & Propagation (InCAP2019) December 19-22, 2019 | Ahmedabad, India


https://www.incap2019.org/

What's the satellite on the top right with the flat panel antenna?

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Postby Manish_P » 03 Dec 2019 14:46

Indian Army Soldiers Can Now Bathe Without Water In Siachen-Like Conditions; Company Develops Waterless Shampoo

Puneet Gupta learned about the tough environmental conditions at Siachen, while working with defence personnel who had been posted there. He then decided to find a solution to it and ended up starting Clensta, a waterless personal hygiene solution.

This solution will be able to enable soldiers who brave extreme cold temperatures to take a bath or wash their hair without using a single drop of water.

“I examined the hygienic situation of a soldier and the challenge of not bathing for days faced during their duty in places with extreme conditions like Siachen, Kargil or Drass. After witnessing their difficulty in maintaining personal, I decided to develop waterless technology products, leading to the establishment of Clensta,” says Gupta.

Talking about the product, Gupta said, “Its advanced gel-based cleansing formula not only removes dirt, oil, and grease completely, but also provides anti-microbial properties, removes body odour and maintains the pH of the skin and keeps it moisturized.”

Clensta was developed with IIT-Delhi and Gupta said that the products, indigenously manufactured under the Make in India and Swachh Bharat Scheme, have been dermatological tested and approved under FDA.


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