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Postby jaysimha » 23 Jul 2020 17:29

DRDO NEWSLETTER
july 2020 | volume 40 | issue 07
brahmos-air launched Cruise Missile gets Fleet Release Clearance
https://www.drdo.gov.in/sites/default/files/whats_new_document/NL_July_2020.pdf

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Postby nachiket » 24 Jul 2020 02:10

Karan M wrote:We are badly missing the presence of Parrikar sahab.

The PM seems to be struggling with a lack of talent at his disposal. Unfortunately, as we know things are even worse in the opposition as far as talent is concerned. Parrikar sir was a pleasant exception. Our political system does not produce too many of his kind. The gigantic mess in procurement can only be solved by a strong DM who knows what he/she is doing and is willing to take difficult or unpopular decisions against the will of various entrenched lobbies and most of all is willing to burn the midnight oil in studying the technical aspects of the various systems being procured at a surface level at least. Otherwise it will be too easy to take them on a ride.

One of my dreams which I know will never come true is that Modiji wins in 2024 but gives up PM chair to someone else and takes control of MoD himself full time and runs a bulldozer over the whole rotten system and rebuilds it.

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Postby Srutayus » 24 Jul 2020 03:21

Do not underestimate Rajnath Singh. He is very good at the personnel and HR side of things just as he was with the Central Paramilitary/Police forces when he was HM.
We at BRF and other fora tend to be highly fixated on weapons development/procurement and the defence industry base, but there is more to it.

But certainly Shri Parrikar is sorely missed. Ideally Shri Rajnath Singh would have an MoS who can cover up for his seeming lack of expertise in Defence Technology/Industry Development and Capital Procurement.

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Postby A Sharma » 27 Jul 2020 06:50

Astra Microwave

Received First fully phased array Radar order from DRDO.
Signed contract for Course Correction fuse, under TDF from DRDO.
• Successful in driving the RF AESA based Seekers towards an engagement model.
• Successful in bagging the proto array of a large project in the making.
• Received development order for Strategic Decoy.
• Akash-7Sq order for sub-systems from DPSUs started getting in.

• Worked on Good partnership models:
With BEL on an Airforce project
• Signed MoU with a Russian Giant for joint collaboration on Strategic Air Defence System Development

• Touched New Business Areas in the form of:
• Ka band Sub-systems for High Through put Satellites.
• NavIC partnership with a start-up that fetched business from a Govt Initiative for promoting NAVTC.

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Postby ramana » 27 Jul 2020 08:05

Very good news. Hope they make lots of CCF.

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Postby nam » 28 Jul 2020 01:58

Successful in driving the RF AESA based Seekers towards an engagement model


Nobody noticed this? This seems to the AESA seekers for upcoming Astra variants. Probably Brahmos version as well.

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Postby Manish_Sharma » 31 Jul 2020 06:03

Celebration time

TWITTER

@ukshahi

Good news from GOI ! MoD proposes banning imports of weapons/platforms that are and can be manufactured in India.
Finally a mandatory provision is being made for domestic capital procurement and a budget head has been created for ‘Make in India’ projects.

MoD will soon notify a list of weapons/platforms banned for import.
This will assure Indian Industry that a multi billion dollar domestic market is there for them in the defence sector and they will come into defence manufacturing and also invest heavily in defence R&D in India.

https://twitter.com/ukshahi/status/1288 ... 88228?s=19

https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/india ... ssion=true

Defence Ministry proposes ban on weapons that can be 'Made in India': Report

Embracing the Aatmanirbhar Bharat Abhiyan, the Defence Ministry has proposed to ban the import of weapons that can be manufactured in India. The suggestion was made in the amended draft Defence Acquisition Procedure (DAP) on July 28.

"The amended second draft is in line with the defence reforms announced as part of the Atmanirbhar Bharat Abhiyan and has been placed in the public domain," the ministry said.

The DAP's focuses on promoting self-reliance in defence equipment production, with an ultimate aim to develop India as a global defence manufacturing hub. The Ministry has sought comments from stakeholders by August 10, 2020.

"The Defence Ministry will notify a list of weapons/platforms banned for import, which will be updated from time to time based on the requirements of the various services," the draft said, according to a report by Business Line.

A budget head has been created by the Defence Ministry for ‘Make in India’ projects and a provision is being made for domestic capital procurement.

The first draft of the DAP, which was then called the Defence Procurement Procedure, was issued on March 20 this year. In a statement, the Defence Ministry said on Tuesday it received suggestions from various stakeholders running into more than 10,000 pages on the first draft. Therefore, after analysing those suggestions and holding meetings with stakeholders, the ministry said, the amended DAP was issued.

The Ministry said there are four new chapters in the amended DAP -- leasing; simplified capital expenditure procedure; acquisition of systems products and ICT systems; procurement from DRDO (Defence Research and Development Organisation), DPSUs (Defence Public Sector Units) and OFB (Ordnance Factory Board).

According to the Department of Defence Production, India aims to export defence products worth Rs 15,000 crore in 2020-21. Between April 1 and July 23, India has been able to export defence equipment and platforms worth Rs 1,892 crore, it said on its website.

In 2019-20 and 2018-19, India's defence exports stood at Rs 9,115 crore and Rs 8,320 crore, respectively, the department noted.


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Postby ks_sachin » 31 Jul 2020 07:08

Manish_Sharma wrote:Celebration time

TWITTER

@ukshahi

Good news from GOI ! MoD proposes banning imports of weapons/platforms that are and can be manufactured in India.
Finally a mandatory provision is being made for domestic capital procurement and a budget head has been created for ‘Make in India’ projects.

MoD will soon notify a list of weapons/platforms banned for import.
This will assure Indian Industry that a multi billion dollar domestic market is there for them in the defence sector and they will come into defence manufacturing and also invest heavily in defence R&D in India.

https://twitter.com/ukshahi/status/1288 ... 88228?s=19

https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/india ... ssion=true

Defence Ministry proposes ban on weapons that can be 'Made in India': Report

Embracing the Aatmanirbhar Bharat Abhiyan, the Defence Ministry has proposed to ban the import of weapons that can be manufactured in India. The suggestion was made in the amended draft Defence Acquisition Procedure (DAP) on July 28.

"The amended second draft is in line with the defence reforms announced as part of the Atmanirbhar Bharat Abhiyan and has been placed in the public domain," the ministry said.

The DAP's focuses on promoting self-reliance in defence equipment production, with an ultimate aim to develop India as a global defence manufacturing hub. The Ministry has sought comments from stakeholders by August 10, 2020.

"The Defence Ministry will notify a list of weapons/platforms banned for import, which will be updated from time to time based on the requirements of the various services," the draft said, according to a report by Business Line.

A budget head has been created by the Defence Ministry for ‘Make in India’ projects and a provision is being made for domestic capital procurement.

The first draft of the DAP, which was then called the Defence Procurement Procedure, was issued on March 20 this year. In a statement, the Defence Ministry said on Tuesday it received suggestions from various stakeholders running into more than 10,000 pages on the first draft. Therefore, after analysing those suggestions and holding meetings with stakeholders, the ministry said, the amended DAP was issued.

The Ministry said there are four new chapters in the amended DAP -- leasing; simplified capital expenditure procedure; acquisition of systems products and ICT systems; procurement from DRDO (Defence Research and Development Organisation), DPSUs (Defence Public Sector Units) and OFB (Ordnance Factory Board).

According to the Department of Defence Production, India aims to export defence products worth Rs 15,000 crore in 2020-21. Between April 1 and July 23, India has been able to export defence equipment and platforms worth Rs 1,892 crore, it said on its website.

In 2019-20 and 2018-19, India's defence exports stood at Rs 9,115 crore and Rs 8,320 crore, respectively, the department noted.



Not so fast.

ALong with this should be a clear pathway of how domestic players will be encouraged and provided a level playing field with the OFB.

the MoD has to be clear on how if helps grow the domestic eco system or else the ARmed Forces will again be the proverbial meat in the sandwich.

Cannot Import because of policy and cannot use desi OFB stuff with confidence because the quality is suspect..And then will be accused of being "import pasand" when emergency purchases have to be made when the s..t hits the fan...

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Postby nam » 31 Jul 2020 13:25

When MoD says can be made in India, it means made by DPSU, mostly from ToT. The T90 mine plough is a perfect example.

The entire thing is a design import, with license production, shown as locally made.

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Postby ramana » 31 Jul 2020 23:34

Lets wait and see. Its not the same old MoD.

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Postby abhik » 31 Jul 2020 23:38

manjgu wrote:https://twitter.com/palepurshankar/status/1289185615246839816 .... dhanush gun inducted !!

News is from April 2019 no?

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Postby Mollick.R » 03 Aug 2020 23:46

Govt comes out with draft defence production policy to boost indigenous weapons & exports
Rajat Pandit | TNN | Aug 3, 2020, 22:22 IST

The defence ministry on Monday released a draft defence production and export promotion policy (DPEPP 2020), with the stated objective of achieving a turnover of Rs 1,75,000 Crores ($ 25 billion), including export of Rs 35,000 Crore ($ 5 billion) in aerospace and defence goods and services by 2025.


A similar draft policy in 2018 had set out similar goals, but nothing much came out of it. The estimated size of the existing Indian defence industry is around Rs 80,000 crore, with the public sector’s contribution being almost 80% of it.

But whether the stated goals of the draft DPEPP 2020, which is envisaged as an “overarching document to provide a focused, structured and significant thrust to defence production capabilities”, can be achieved in five years remain to be seen.
The draft DPEPP says the aim is to reduce dependence on imports and take forward "Make in India" initiatives through domestic design and development, as also promote export of defence products as part of the overall ‘Atmanirbhar Bharat’ policy.

The draft policy brings out multiple strategies with the focus areas being procurement reforms; indigenization and support to MSMEs/Startups; optimization of resource allocation; investment promotion, FDI and ease of doing business; innovation and R&D; DPSUs and ordnance factories; quality assurance and testing infrastructure; and export promotion.
The policy comes after the government in May made it clear the armed forces will have to shed their penchant for exorbitant foreign weapon systems unless they can be made in India through joint ventures with global armament and aviation majors.

The government had also announced the import of certain weapons would be banned through a progressively-expanding negative list, while the FDI limit would be hiked to 74% from the existing 49% in the defence production sector through the automatic clearance route.


Times of India Link//

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/govt-comes-out-with-draft-defence-production-policy-to-boost-indigenous-weapons-exports/articleshow/77336027.cms

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Postby Dileep » 04 Aug 2020 11:44

Just finished a video conference on the DRDO's sammukh portal. It is a Jitsi implementation.

The interface is pretty good. Worked out of the box on firefox. But the biggest problem is the page crashed a number of times.

Saving grace is, just refreshing the page brought back the session, without entering any credentials.

But I think the 'anonymous entry' problem if zoom is very much there I think.

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Postby csaurabh » 04 Aug 2020 14:35

Manish_Sharma wrote:
csaurabh wrote:There is NO progress towards atma-nirbharta.
Import lobby has sabotaged everything.
One well reputed company I know was awarded a grant to develop an indigenous replacement for Carl Gustav Rocket launcher.
After a ton of red tape compliances they were awarded 10% of the promised grant for the first installment. Second installment is nowhere in sight. Project crawls at snails pace, Armed forces are clearly totally uninterested and just keeps up a charade.
This is not the exception, it is the norm.


Could you name the company & name of product so I can Tweet to pmo et al and make them aware.


Apologies for the late reply. This knowledge is in the public sector, there were some articles in the news, you can try to find them.
Company name is 'Carbon light', and the product is a rocket launcher which I have already indicated earlier.

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Postby Anoop » 07 Aug 2020 09:22

Interesting interview on drone technology with Ideaforge's CEO:
https://youtu.be/y3m15gZv2fc

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Postby ramana » 08 Aug 2020 02:16

jaysimha wrote:DRDO NEWSLETTER
july 2020 | volume 40 | issue 07
brahmos-air launched Cruise Missile gets Fleet Release Clearance
https://www.drdo.gov.in/sites/default/files/whats_new_document/NL_July_2020.pdf


This is a piece of crock by the authorities. The Hammer they are buying for Rafale has tested four times only. And each one was one type of bomb.

The whole testing philosophy of the armed forces is to fail and delay induction to enable urgent purchases. Nothing else explains the unique and bokwas testing matrix.

Eg. the ATGM 400 m range for near field engagement. If the enemy tanks are at 400 m you should use the tank gun.

Hope the CDS can knock some sense after some time next year.

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Postby darshan » 08 Aug 2020 11:25

A country that contains all native lobby that reaches out to foreign companies to encourage sales would require lot of cleaning than just the requirements. A native product gets ready and a lobby starts making calls. All this without anyone from a foreign company paying a penny.

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Postby Dileep » 08 Aug 2020 13:04

It is not always lobbying, corruption etc. Much of the shenanigans can be attributed to the phenomenon called "Indiligence"

"Indiligence" is a combination of words Indian and Intelligence. The primary driving factor for this is the insatiable urge to demonstrate your intelligence (which include knowledge, experience, expertise etc)

It manifests in many ways. To make a list like good old Chanakya often does:

- Making demands for features/performance / test points that doesn't exist
- Making objections to features / performances / test points that exist
- Doing the above based on google/book knowledge to show the knowledge.
- Doing the above to oppose some other stakeholder

I see that every day in a private company, and spend considerable energy to evaluate and discard the bad ones.

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Postby sum » 08 Aug 2020 13:28

Dileep wrote:It is not always lobbying, corruption etc. Much of the shenanigans can be attributed to the phenomenon called "Indiligence"

"Indiligence" is a combination of words Indian and Intelligence. The primary driving factor for this is the insatiable urge to demonstrate your intelligence (which include knowledge, experience, expertise etc)

It manifests in many ways. To make a list like good old Chanakya often does:

- Making demands for features/performance / test points that doesn't exist
- Making objections to features / performances / test points that exist
- Doing the above based on google/book knowledge to show the knowledge.
- Doing the above to oppose some other stakeholder

I see that every day in a private company, and spend considerable energy to evaluate and discard the bad ones.

Desi interviewers ( for IT or semicon/ R&D jobs)are famous for all the above points, esp in the US.
For some reasons, most of interviews involving Desis turn into a power trip and knowledge showoff session/ putting candidate down rather than candidate being evaluated for the position

Very well put, saar

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Postby darshan » 08 Aug 2020 16:37

Indiligence exists and in some sense why I don't want to work in commercial industry. However, Indiligence by itself isn't treason. Unsolicited approach to foreign companies to sell product when home one is ready is.

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Postby vcsekhar » 08 Aug 2020 16:51

This is a great word, i wish i knew it existed a long time ago.
I had done my MS in the US in '99 and can totally relate to and confirm what "Sum" is saying. Me and my fellow desi students knew and were worried about this exact thing when we were interviewing for jobs. The worst thing that could happen was to get a desi interviewer. And god alone could help you, if you had gone to a better university than him in India :shock:
For some reason, the moment they saw a desi face they had to try and prove that they knew more than us, which is so stupid because obviously they would know more as they were in the job and we were just getting out of college!!
Putting down people... totally understand and have seen/experienced it.
I remember that I was so upset after one of these interviews that I decided that when i was in the same position, I would never behave like this. A few years later when I went to my Uni for recruitment, I would tell the desi/every student that I was there to see and evaluate their knowledge not compare it to myself/anyone else, this would visibly reduce the tension from the desi students faces.


sum wrote:
Dileep wrote:It is not always lobbying, corruption etc. Much of the shenanigans can be attributed to the phenomenon called "Indiligence"

"Indiligence" is a combination of words Indian and Intelligence. The primary driving factor for this is the insatiable urge to demonstrate your intelligence (which include knowledge, experience, expertise etc)

It manifests in many ways. To make a list like good old Chanakya often does:

- Making demands for features/performance / test points that doesn't exist
- Making objections to features / performances / test points that exist
- Doing the above based on google/book knowledge to show the knowledge.
- Doing the above to oppose some other stakeholder

I see that every day in a private company, and spend considerable energy to evaluate and discard the bad ones.

Desi interviewers ( for IT or semicon/ R&D jobs)are famous for all the above points, esp in the US.
For some reasons, most of interviews involving Desis turn into a power trip and knowledge showoff session/ putting candidate down rather than candidate being evaluated for the position

Very well put, saar

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Postby Vamsee » 09 Aug 2020 10:53

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Taking cue from that evocation, the Ministry of Defence has prepared a list of 101 items for which there would be an embargo on the import beyond the timeline indicated against them. This is a big step towards self-reliance in defence. #AtmanirbharBharat

This decision will offer a great opportunity to the Indian defence industry to manufacture the items in the negative list by using their own design and development capabilities or adopting the technologies designed & developed by DRDO to meet the requirements of the Armed Forces.

The list is prepared by MoD after several rounds of consultations with all stakeholders, including the Armed Forces, public & private industry to assess current and future capabilities of the Indian industry for manufacturing various ammunition & equipment within India.

Almost 260 schemes of such items were contracted by the Tri-Services at an approximate cost of Rs 3.5 lakh crore between April 2015 and August 2020. It is estimated that contracts worth almost Rs 4 lakh crore will be placed upon the domestic industry within the next 6 to 7 years.

Of these, items worth almost Rs 1,30,000 crore each are anticipated for the Army and the Air Force while items worth almost Rs 1,40,000 crore are anticipated by the Navy over the same period. #AtmanirbharBharat

The list also includes, wheeled Armoured Fighting Vehicles (AFVs) with indicative import embargo date of December 2021, of which the Army is expected to contract almost 200 at an approximate cost of over Rs 5,000 crore.
#AtmanirbharBharat

The embargo on imports is planned to be progressively implemented between 2020 to 2024. Our aim is to apprise the Indian defence industry about the anticipated requirements of the Armed Forces so that they are better prepared to realise the goal of indigenisation.

All necessary steps would be taken to ensure that timelines for production of equipment as per the Negative Import List are met, which will include a co-ordinated mechanism for hand holding of the industry by the Defence Services.

More such equipment for import embargo would be identified progressively by the DMA in consultation with all stakeholders. A due note of this will also be made in the DAP to ensure that no item in the negative list is processed for import in the future.

MoD has also bifurcated the capital procurement budget for 2020-21 between domestic and foreign capital procurement routes. A separate budget head has been created with an outlay of nearly Rs 52,000 crore for domestic capital procurement in the current financial year.

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Postby Nihat » 09 Aug 2020 11:13

https://www.livefistdefence.com/2020/08 ... -list.html

Complete list provided in the above link. Must say, the list is quite comprehensive and comprises of what are mostly low hanging fruit which are not tech intensive and can easily be made by our private sector.

I believe lobbyism and crony capitalism will be a small price to pay for a strong private domestic defense ecosystem.

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Postby Shaktimaan » 09 Aug 2020 11:15

First thoughts on this momentous announcement by RM Rajnath ji :

1. This is a very bold move, with all sorts of heavy equipment also included. This is not a token announcement, the embargo includes heavy hitters like multi barrel rocket launchers, 155mm towed artillery, many types of sea craft, light combat helicopters etc. This must have been done with extensive consultation with the Indian defence manufacturing industry, to make sure they will be able to deliver these items with high quality on schedule.

2. This completely short-circuits the unholy Lutyens Fixers-Defence Procurement nexus, which keeps putting unreasonable and self-contracting requirements on Indian hardware in order to justify imports at with fat margins for all parties. Now with a hard ban on certain types of imports, there is no chance to play this game. Buy Indian or go without.

3. This also opens up the playing field for modern Indian companies like Bharat Forge, Mahindra, Tatas and we will not depend the poor quality delivered by government-owned sloths like OFB, etc.

4. This assures a steady stream of orders to Indian manufacturers for the next decade and beyond, so they can invest in building their manufacturing capabilities with confidence.

5. All in all, this is a super positive move which will show the maximum rewards a decade from today when the Indian industry has delivered one or two generations of products and has earned 4 to 6 lakh crores for their efforts. We will be second to none.

JAI HIND

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Postby Prem Kumar » 09 Aug 2020 11:25

Great move by Rajnath Singh!

I have a lingering doubt though - just like Make-In-India was circumvented by assembling knockdown-kits or foreign OEM-local partner route, what's the guarantee this won't go the same way?

Are all these items mandated to be designed, developed and manufactured in India by Indian entities?

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Postby Prem Kumar » 09 Aug 2020 12:24

Went through the Livefist link. While directionally this is great, if I were a dalal, there are a few loopholes:

1) Some items are unnecessarily restrictive. Example: mentioning the caliber of ammunition (or) mentioning specific brands. Leaves the room wide open for importing other calibers/brands
2) Some things are laughable. Example: we won't import GSAT-7, Astra, Tejs-MK1. Its a laundry list of things we don't import anyway
3) The lack of mention of tanks implies what we know already. Tin-cans will continue to be imported, while Arjun will languish
4) Quite a few of the items are just existing/planned DRDO products

It would be more effective if the restrictions are broad-based. Example: we won't import fighter aircraft in light and medium categories would send a powerful signal

There is some good news though: most artillery will not be imported, and assault rifles will not be imported starting Dec 2021

The litmus test is this: are there items in the list that we are importing today that will be no longer be imported?. Barring the artillery & assault rifles, I didn't find anything

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Postby abhik » 09 Aug 2020 12:28

There is no clarity if these have to be IDDM or if they can be also be screwdriver-giri products. Also the list is very very specific, which raises more questions, some examples:
- MRBL (Pinaka Variant) -> What is this supposed to mean exactly?,Pinaka rockets were never imported no?
- LMG and AR 7.62x39 -> Listed for Dec 2021, leaving the window open to close out some ridiculously huge import deals (like the Negev)
- LOW LEVEL TRANSPORTABLE RADAR -> Is this talking about the DRDO developed radar
- Anti tank, personnel mines -> Do we import these now?
- Shipborne close in weapon system -> Is this talking about the Ak-630?
- Anti submarine rockets -> Are we importing these now?
- torpedo tube launchers
- Ship bourn medium range gun -> I'm guessing this is talking about using OTO Melara 76 mm, but have we really put any other guns on our ships? I think not.
- GSAT-6 Satellite Terminals -> Are we importing these now?
- Satellite GSAT 7C, GSAT 7R-> What?
- Military Trucks (4x4 to 12x12), FAT for medium guns-> When was the last we imported trucks
- Bi modular charge and electronic fuzes -> listed for Dec 2024
- Long Range Land Attack Cruise Missile (for 2025) -> Exactly who is selling us LRCM today?
- Basic Trainer Aircraft (Dec 2023)

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Postby abhik » 09 Aug 2020 13:17

https://twitter.com/rajnathsingh/status ... 9083120641
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MoD has also bifurcated the capital procurement budget for 2020-21 between domestic and foreign capital procurement routes. A separate budget head has been created with an outlay of nearly Rs 52,000 crore for domestic capital procurement in the current financial year.


Our current defence capex for this year is at ~90k crore, i.e. 52K/90K= ~58% will be be spent on local procurement (includes screwdriver-giri). This will be a much more important metric to show results. Let the MoD give the target % which would gradually increase over time (reaching 80% within 10 years would be a good target IMO).

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Re: India's R&D in Defence DRDO, PSUs and Private Sector

Postby idan » 09 Aug 2020 14:51

MBRL Pinaka system has imported components like the Sagem Sigma 30, different warheads, minelets etc for which desi import substitutes will be procured IMHO

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Postby ks_sachin » 09 Aug 2020 15:04

abhik wrote:There is no clarity if these have to be IDDM or if they can be also be screwdriver-giri products. Also the list is very very specific, which raises more questions, some examples:
- MRBL (Pinaka Variant) -> What is this supposed to mean exactly?,Pinaka rockets were never imported no?
- LMG and AR 7.62x39 -> Listed for Dec 2021, leaving the window open to close out some ridiculously huge import deals (like the Negev)
- LOW LEVEL TRANSPORTABLE RADAR -> Is this talking about the DRDO developed radar
- Anti tank, personnel mines -> Do we import these now?
- Shipborne close in weapon system -> Is this talking about the Ak-630?
- Anti submarine rockets -> Are we importing these now?
- torpedo tube launchers
- Ship bourn medium range gun -> I'm guessing this is talking about using OTO Melara 76 mm, but have we really put any other guns on our ships? I think not.
- GSAT-6 Satellite Terminals -> Are we importing these now?
- Satellite GSAT 7C, GSAT 7R-> What?
- Military Trucks (4x4 to 12x12), FAT for medium guns-> When was the last we imported trucks
- Bi modular charge and electronic fuzes -> listed for Dec 2024
- Long Range Land Attack Cruise Missile (for 2025) -> Exactly who is selling us LRCM today?
- Basic Trainer Aircraft (Dec 2023)

Negev is a good deal....Anything but our current LMG!!!

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Postby abhik » 09 Aug 2020 16:20

^^^
At least they could have made it here with their private partner no?

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Re: India's R&D in Defence DRDO, PSUs and Private Sector

Postby Manish_Sharma » 09 Aug 2020 17:03

Prem Kumar wrote:
.... and assault rifles will not be imported starting Dec 2021....



On Twitter it is being said that after December 2021 SSK Submarines also can't be imported. So P75I will have to signed before that.

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Postby Karan M » 09 Aug 2020 17:36

Mostly a list of items that were already being tendered locally with DRDO and pvt industry. But its a positive start.

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Re: India's R&D in Defence DRDO, PSUs and Private Sector

Postby ParGha » 09 Aug 2020 18:45

Wish they had added alpine-warfare gear to the list (unless I missed it): heavy-duty parkas, synthetic-fur caps, gloves, snow-boots, inner-thermals, blizzard-goggles, climbing equipment, tents, heaters, skiing equipment, ATVs and snow-mobiles. Some of these are already made in India, Bangladesh or Vietnam for exports, so they are not too hard to buy from private sector. An order for a few 100Ks of these will send a stronger signal of resolve than another dozen +/- of Katrinas.

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Re: India's R&D in Defence DRDO, PSUs and Private Sector

Postby Karan M » 09 Aug 2020 18:51

The list is mostly restricted at this stage to prevent significant blowback from the services that they are being hampered in their warfighting capability. However, this year a budget of Rs 50K crores is expected to go towards indigenous gear. OFB only makes around 4K worth out of that. So rest will go for Tejas, and naval shipbuilding plus some IA stuff. I expect as time goes on, a lot of orders will flow towards the Tonbo style entities too. But a larger budget is essential otherwise services will continue prioritizing imports and the foreign OEMs will just assemble in India and desi partner will use that to get into the list.

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Re: India's R&D in Defence DRDO, PSUs and Private Sector

Postby ks_sachin » 09 Aug 2020 19:03

abhik wrote:^^^
At least they could have made it here with their private partner no?


We needed it about 10 years ago...

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Re: India's R&D in Defence DRDO, PSUs and Private Sector

Postby pankajs » 09 Aug 2020 19:04

https://twitter.com/rajnathsingh/status ... 3086365696
Rajnath Singh @rajnathsingh

Almost 260 schemes of such items were contracted by the Tri-Services at an approximate cost of Rs 3.5 lakh crore between April 2015 and August 2020. It is estimated that contracts worth almost Rs 4 lakh crore will be placed upon the domestic industry within the next 6 to 7 years.
Of these, items worth almost Rs 1,30,000 crore each are anticipated for the Army and the Air Force while items worth almost Rs 1,40,000 crore are anticipated by the Navy over the same period. #AtmanirbharBharat
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Re: India's R&D in Defence DRDO, PSUs and Private Sector

Postby Karan M » 09 Aug 2020 19:07

Yes, around 50K crores for 7 years works around to 3.5 Lakh crores.


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