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Postby A Sharma » 12 Jun 2016 05:45

Astra Microwave Conf Call

Sir, second thing is – you were expecting that the precision approach Radar testing will be
complete by this month. So can you give us some update on what is happening over there?
B Malla Reddy: It is in fine tuning, yes at HAL Airport.
M.V. Reddy: It is in fine tuning and the trials would be sometime in the month of June.
B Malla Reddy: Yes, AESA trials will be in June.
Rahul Gajare: This is the same radar which …
B Malla Reddy: Yes.


Okay, second and the last question I have right now is; you were looking at opportunities in the
BARAK 8 missile, you know LR-SAM missiles, so any development in that side?

M.V.Reddy: Some of the subsystems we have taken into that development, so that development part is
going on by the replacement of the import one and then apart from that the seekers which I
mentioned in the last conference call, so that program is on. We are developing both X-band as
well as KU-band seekers.

And regarding that Akash we hear that BEL is also planning this QR-SAM, so in that will we
be also production agency for the sub systems and also the QR-SAM?
M.V. Reddy: Yes, we already have orders for T/R modules for the QR-SAM radar and for then the missile
front, we are planning to develop a seeker on NCNC basis and a proactive development, we
have initiated the design and probably we would be able to complete in a one-year timeframe
now.
Ranjeet Shivram: And the order can likely happen in FY18 for this QR-SAM?
M.V. Reddy: Yes, FY18 yes. FY18 definitely I think it should happen

And lastly, on our that BrahMos seeker with RCI; so what stage are we and are we completed?
When can we get orders for that?
We have initiated as I said the development part and it is going on; that is still in the progress,
probably it may take another 10-12 months’ time to complete the field evaluation and to
approach BrahMos for the orders.

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Postby ramana » 12 Jun 2016 10:49

Kakkaji wrote:Any defence applications here?

Nalco, MIDHANI plan to set up lithium-aluminium alloy plant



Only defence applications. This is 7000 series Al alloys. Very high strength.


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Postby Shanu » 20 Jun 2016 21:07

DRDO developed bullet proof steel goes into production at Essar plant. This is for the first time bullet proof steel is manufactured in India using Indian production designs - to be used for light armoured vehicles.

Indian bullet proof steel produced in Essar plant

The newly-developed bullet proof steel at ESIL absorbs the impact of bullets traveling at a speed of 700 m/sec, with barely a dent on the surface. This steel has hardness levels above 500 (Brinell hardness number) BHN and is extremely tough. Ballistic performance of this product was successfully tested in India and in Germany at the Gujarat Forensic Science Laboratory (FSL), as well as at IABG, an internationally-renowned German laboratory.

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Postby Gyan » 21 Jun 2016 10:20

Can we use titanium (even though it may be raise the cost of BPJ a bit) alloys to lower the weight of BPJ as the weight seems to be a major concern of Army?

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Postby Varoon Shekhar » 21 Jun 2016 15:19

Not to nitpick, but what about "Jackal Steel", that was a DRDO product, wasn't it? And it's still in use somewhere, if not so much for jackets, for vehicles. Anyway, nice achievement at DRDO/Essar!

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Postby shiv » 21 Jun 2016 15:59

Shanu wrote:DRDO developed bullet proof steel goes into production at Essar plant. This is for the first time bullet proof steel is manufactured in India using Indian production designs - to be used for light armoured vehicles.

Indian bullet proof steel produced in Essar plant

The newly-developed bullet proof steel at ESIL absorbs the impact of bullets traveling at a speed of 700 m/sec, with barely a dent on the surface. This steel has hardness levels above 500 (Brinell hardness number) BHN and is extremely tough. Ballistic performance of this product was successfully tested in India and in Germany at the Gujarat Forensic Science Laboratory (FSL), as well as at IABG, an internationally-renowned German laboratory.

1 foot square rectangles of such steel were displayed at Aero India 2013 as a DRDO- MDN (Mishra Dhatu Nigam) developmen- with small dents indicating where AK 47 rounds had been fired at them. I have an image somewhere. What is new here is that Essar appears to have taken that tech which was on offer and has started manufacturing it.

I doubt if it will find much use in BPJs. Mostly as bulletproof panels on vehicles and aircraft and as part of head protection in Patkas

Hopefully the new FDI policy will bring in manufacturers of bulletproof fabric.

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Postby Zynda » 21 Jun 2016 17:09

shiv wrote:Hopefully the new FDI policy will bring in manufacturers of bulletproof fabric.


Already here. Apparently, Kanpur based MKU manufacturers high quality armor systems which complies with various International ballistic standards.

http://www.mku.com

But I think in another thread, it was mentioned that our soldiers feel that even state of the art ballistic systems are quite heavy and innovative light weight systems might be needed specifically for Indian conditions. I thought DRDO was investigating using Bamboo fibers vests (& similar systems) which proved promising in initial tests.

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Postby Gyan » 21 Jun 2016 18:21

Grapevine is that Army wanted BPJs to stop Armour piercing 7.62x54 round at point blank range and was unhappy when the jackets were too heavy due to this demand.

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Postby shiv » 21 Jun 2016 19:41

Gyan wrote:Grapevine is that Army wanted BPJs to stop Armour piercing 7.62x54 round at point blank range and was unhappy when the jackets were too heavy due to this demand.

Video of body armor - thick and heavy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB1uq1T9SHg

Same body armor as above fails with a hi velocity 5.56 round
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMYkEMhPsO8

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Postby sudeepj » 22 Jun 2016 19:21

shiv wrote:
Gyan wrote:Grapevine is that Army wanted BPJs to stop Armour piercing 7.62x54 round at point blank range and was unhappy when the jackets were too heavy due to this demand.

Video of body armor - thick and heavy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB1uq1T9SHg

Same body armor as above fails with a hi velocity 5.56 round
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMYkEMhPsO8


Not the same armor, the former is a level IIIA plate and the latter is level III.

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Postby shiv » 22 Jun 2016 19:35

sudeepj wrote:
Not the same armor, the former is a level IIIA plate and the latter is level III.

Yes you're right. Still - good stuff although I'm not sure the entire army can be equipped with this.

Googal tells me that Level III plate weighs 8 lb and I am guessing that a front and back and two sides will probably weight about 10-11 kgs. This may be useful for some frontal assault type situations, and of course COIN.

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Postby sudeepj » 22 Jun 2016 20:42

shiv wrote:
sudeepj wrote:
Not the same armor, the former is a level IIIA plate and the latter is level III.

Yes you're right. Still - good stuff although I'm not sure the entire army can be equipped with this.

Googal tells me that Level III plate weighs 8 lb and I am guessing that a front and back and two sides will probably weight about 10-11 kgs. This may be useful for some frontal assault type situations, and of course COIN.


This technology uses hardened steel and is fairly cheap. $100 or thereabouts for one plate. One could use it for sentry duties, SWAT teams assaulting small structures etc. For front line troops, I think we would want a lighter plate. Even if the light weight plates cost several hundred dollars, they would pay for themselves in the reduced injuries and lives lost and also increased effectiveness of the soldiers themselves.

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Postby shiv » 22 Jun 2016 21:11

Cost wise it does not look so bad - listed as $80 for the bigger plates - maybe $250 for 4 - or Rs 15000ish. Not bad at all. A few clips of ammo and we are looking 15,000.

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Postby Zynda » 22 Jun 2016 21:22

I think ceramic inserts are replacing steel plates for protection against higher energy projectiles. Ceramic inserts of course will be lighter but prolly more expensive compared to steel ones.

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Postby Gyan » 22 Jun 2016 21:53

BPJs will normally be worn by teams going into a known dangerous situation like "Quick reaction team" or Teams re-enforcing an ongoing/imminent firefight. Very unlikely that patrol teams can successfully wear BPJs for any reasonable amount of time unless they are being transported by vehicles or they dump the ammo. As per some Jawans in COIN the basics ie Helmet, BPJs, Shoes, Clothes, one AK, couple of spare mags, hand held radio, water canteen = 20 kg. Throw in UBGL, rounds, handgrenades, night sights, couple of meals, med kit = 25-30kg

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Postby shiv » 23 Jun 2016 05:30

Gyan wrote: Very unlikely that patrol teams can successfully wear BPJs for any reasonable amount of time unless they are being transported by vehicles or they dump the ammo. As per some Jawans in COIN the basics ie Helmet, BPJs, Shoes, Clothes, one AK, couple of spare mags, hand held radio, water canteen = 20 kg. Throw in UBGL, rounds, handgrenades, night sights, couple of meals, med kit = 25-30kg


There is actual data (from Vietnam) that shows that on long patrols soldiers would often dump/discard even vital stuff like water bottles but hold on to their weapon - which is something that led to exhaustion and losing firefights when ambushed. So I think 10-12 kg of armour is not something that men might wear.

But I think those situations in which a LeT pighadi has been cornered and pinned down - some protection for those in the lead should be readily available whether it is used or not in a particular situation.

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Postby Vipul » 23 Jun 2016 18:32

Hindustan Shipyard eyes contracts worth Rs 20000 crore in 5 years.


HSL is expecting orders worth Rs 20,000 crore for the construction of ships in the next five years. Some of these orders will be executed with technical support of Hyundai Shipyard of South Korea.



"In a major boost for both Hindustan Shipyard and the Indian Navy, submarine INS Sindhukirti successfully completed its maiden deep dive trails recently after undergoing repairs and modernisation at HSL."

"Repair-cum-upgradation of INS Sindhukirti was the first-of-its-kind exercise undertaken by an Indian shipyard with support from the Navy. Its a noteworthy achievement for Hindustan Shipyard as it emboldens the nation's will and pursuit towards the 'Make in India' campaign," Babu said.

Another submarine INS Sindhuvir will also come at HSL for partial refit work later this year.

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Postby Vipul » 24 Jun 2016 20:32

1000 multi-function displays for Sukhoi 30 MKI handed over to HAL.

About 1,000 units of indigenously manufactured multi-function display (MFD) for installation in India's frontline Sukhoi 30 MKI fighter aircraft has been handed over to state-run HAL.

The displays were manufactured by Samtel HAL Display Systems (SHDS), a joint venture between Samtel Avionics and Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).

Now out of a planned fleet of 272 Sukhoi aircraft with the Indian Air Force, 143 would be flying with India-made MFDs - a critical component of an aircraft cockpit.

SHDS is the only company to receive CEMILAC (Centre for Military Airworthiness and Certification) Type Approval for manufacturing MFDs.

The Samtel-HAL joint venture was set up in 2007 to address the avionics requirements, including test benches and systems for all IAF star platforms - both fixed and rotary wing.

The journey began in 2004, when Samtel signed the contract with Defence Research Development Organisation (DRDO, earlier called as DARE) for technology development of Su-30 MFDs.

After 5-6 years of efforts, Samtel was able to fully develop the technology and it was envisaged by HAL and the Ministry of Defense to create a centre of excellence in the form of JV to nurture this home grown technology.

Samtel as a parent company would bring in this technology for lateral deployment on all platforms - Su-30, light combat aircraft (LCA), intermediate jet trainer (IJT), light combat helicopter (LCH) among others and HAL as the other partner would bring in the market for using these displays on all HAL star platforms.

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Postby shiv » 25 Jun 2016 08:06

Vipul wrote:Samtel as a parent company would bring in this technology for lateral deployment on all platforms - Su-30, light combat aircraft (LCA), intermediate jet trainer (IJT), light combat helicopter (LCH) among others and HAL as the other partner would bring in the market for using these displays on all HAL star platforms.

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Postby csaurabh » 27 Jun 2016 12:32

I just had a thought. We see some comparisons like India spends xyz $ on science and USA spends abc $ on science. Same goes for military.

However, this 'spending' usually goes into buying scientific and industrial equipment from western countries - either at the component level or entire systems. The USA, through this spending, supports hundreds of manufacturers of high tech items from vacuum pumps to lasers to supercomputers. Additionally, this also keeps huge numbers of engineers in those companies to work to maintain their skills and use them also for commercial applications. The actual 'output' of the scientific research ( or military for that matter ) is not as great as we are led to believe. In fact most of it is quite useless.

The items are made are often in such small numbers that it is not very viable to be cost effective manufacture them via indigenous companies- even if we had the know-how, which often we don't. Thus we gain the equipment at great cost, are reliant on outside know-how to repair it and such like. Further exacerbated by the brain drain from India. This is a very difficult problem to solve.

So when we see comparisons like countries spend x% of their budget on research we need to keep this fact in mind..

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Postby Vipul » 28 Jun 2016 02:44

Tata Advanced Systems tying up with Bell Helicopter to compete for $2-billion naval chopper manufacturing contract.


Looking to consolidate its position as a leader in the Indian defence aviation industry, Tata Advanced Systems is tying up with Bell Helicopter of the US to compete against the Mahindra-Airbus combination for a $2-billion naval chopper manufacturing contract.

The mega contract for 100 utility helicopters to be operated from warships will be awarded as a 'Make in India' project. Tata will form a joint venture with Bell to bid for the contract under existing foreign direct investment norms, three people with direct knowledge about the developments told ET.

Tata Advanced Systems tying up with Bell Helicopter to compete for $2-billion naval chopper manufacturing contract

Under the route being followed to get the choppers, Indian companies will lead the procurement bids with a foreign company as a technology partner. TASL will be the lead company in partnership with Bell Helicopter, based in Fort Worth, Texas.

Competition for the new choppers is expected to play out between the Bell 429 and the Airbus AS565, one of which will be selected on technical and commercial grounds.

"The TASL tie-up with Bell Helicopter is likely to be announced formally soon. It will make the competition more or less a direct fight between Mahindra and Tata," people involved in the developments told ET. The Indian Navy is looking for a modern chopper to replace its ageing Chetak helicopters.

While the initial requirement is for 100 helicopters, the number may go up as the navy inducts newer platforms and increases the size of its fleet.

TASL is the leading military aviation player in India and has tied up for or is producing major systems for global giants including Sikorsky, Airbus, Lockheed Martin and Boeing. Earlier this month, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar inaugurated a Boeing-Tata venture for producing the fuselage of AH 64 Apache attack helicopters in India. The joint venture was described by Parrikar as the largest foreign investment project in India in the defence sector.

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Postby Indranil » 28 Jun 2016 03:40

Is HAL's LUH a contender, or is it completely a private affair?

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Postby sankum » 28 Jun 2016 11:57

IN requirement is for twin engine LUH. HAL LUH is not a contender.

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Postby sankum » 28 Jun 2016 14:35

HAL can offer naval version of Ka226. Whether it meets IN requirement, Don't know?

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Postby Gyan » 28 Jun 2016 17:55

This Naval Requirement neatly creates a category between LUH and ALH. Was Cheetah and Chetak twin engined?

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Postby Indranil » 28 Jun 2016 18:35

sankum wrote:IN requirement is for twin engine LUH. HAL LUH is not a contender.

Thank you. Source?
sankum wrote:HAL can offer naval version of Ka226. Whether it meets IN requirement, Don't know?
sankum wrote:HAL can offer naval version of Ka226. Whether it meets IN requirement, Don't know?

Good point. Kamovs are already on board IN ships which can account for something. the Kamovs will also get the third big private player in the fray:Reliance.
Gyan wrote:This Naval Requirement neatly creates a category between LUH and ALH. Was Cheetah and Chetak twin engined?

No, it doesn't. Tata's offering is strictly in LUH class. The twin engines are for added safety. I don't think the navy is wrong for asking a qualitatively better product for its next generation of hepters.

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Postby Gyan » 28 Jun 2016 18:42

That's exactly what I am trying to say that we always go for best products from all over the world rather than using Indigenous products or variants which can reasonably fulfill the requirement. ALH is twin engined, but it is slightly heavier and LUH is single engined and is slightly lighter. Smacks of Agusta Westland or Pilatus type of GSQRs.

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Postby sankum » 28 Jun 2016 20:11

Naval utility helicopter tender scrapped, made bigger

IN luh official tender could not be searched on web, Will search it on my hard drive.



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Postby shiv » 16 Aug 2016 07:16

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 715366.cms
Defence ministry readies war chest, eyes $8.3 billion parked with PSUs
Faced with a dismal allocation in the annual budget, the defence ministry is looking to unlock a virtual treasure chest of funds lying unused in public sector units (PSUs). An internal study has revealed that outstanding advances to these enterprises — money usually given towards the end of the financial year from the capital budget — have swollen to $8.3 billion over the years.



Paper version also says S-400 can save 40,000 cr because it will do the job of all those projects

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Postby shiv » 16 Aug 2016 14:46

shiv wrote:http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/defence-ministry-readies-war-chest-eyes-8-3-billion-parked-with-psus/articleshow/53715366.cms
Paper version also says S-400 can save 40,000 cr because it will do the job of all those projects

Image

What does this mean - from the deadwood version

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Postby Varoon Shekhar » 23 Aug 2016 17:10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6kFiRjHgBw

Is this authentic, and is the item indigenous? Aerial hovercraft

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Postby shiv » 23 Aug 2016 19:14

Varoon Shekhar wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6kFiRjHgBw

Is this authentic, and is the item indigenous? Aerial hovercraft

Doesn't appear Indian. Probably paid news by someone who is trying to get export orders.

More likely a Paki could use it to cross the LoC. need to watch out for that. Imagine 3 guys on hoverboards getting into Pathankot and doing their job. Don't know its payload capacity - but the man appears vulnerable to simple rifle fire if he can be spotted. But he may be impossible to spot. Another thing is a useful terrorist would have to carry at least 20-30 kg. However a soosai bomber with just 2 kg RDX flying onto a soft target could create mayhem.

Will Google for manufacturer and status. Looks like a great terrorist tool - useless for army. Expect China to manufacture

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Postby SaiK » 23 Aug 2016 22:17

$233 billion over the next 11 years. #changsanShibber!

Now don't tell Kaveri has meager funds. If you still nod, come in line front of my pellet gun.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation ... 84378.html


It should be #MakeInIndia rather buy.


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Great report. Multiple new programs and their existence known and status detailed for the first time!

[A]Atulya ADFCR appears to be a replacement of the existing Reporter/Flycatcher style radars with a dual system - both search and a Ka band FCR!
[B]There is a Bharani MK2 radar - which is a new program & if the picture posted is correct, appears to be a variant of the Aslesha radar. IA had ordered some two dozen or more of Bharani Mk1 which was a 2D unit.
[C]There is a new IA 3D TCR program - which appears to have drawn on the work done on Ashwini & Arudhra systems, and is a 3D AESA. Will clearly replace the existing 3D TCR based on the Rohini of which the IA ordered some 20+ units as I recall..
[D]A new Aslesha Mk2 program, which will fit in between the Ashwini (180km) and Aslesha (70km) ranges for the IAF. The Aslesha had some 20 + units ordered by the IAF.
[E]Ashwini and Arudhra progress - Arudhra is ready for user trials & Ashwini apparently is also near that stage. Some 8 Arudhra & 18 Ashwini have an indent from the IAF in phase 1.
[F]MMSR program is now subsumed into the QRSAM program, which systems prototype fabrication is in progress.
[G]Regarding AEW&C, the progress is also detailed - the ECCM trials were remaining & some extended modes (370km IIRC) were underway.
[H]Uttam proto has been engineered and a test array has been programmed for various A2A modes and is under testing from the usual test bed (Same approach as on AEW&C).

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^^^ look who's here!


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