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Jindal Stainless steel press release
March 9th 2022


Jindal Stainless, Hisar, gets international certification in aerospace industry
Opens door for JSHL to venture into global aviation, defence and space markets



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JSHL has been catering to the requirements of strategically significant and prestigious customers like ISRO (Indian Space Research Organisation), DRDO (Defence Research and Development Organisation) and BDL (Bharat Dynamics Ltd), VSSC (Vikram Sarabhai Space Centre) among others. In the past, the company supplied 15CDV6 for Satellite Launch Vehicles, Project Gaganyaan, Nuclear Submarine Missile System etc. JSHL was the first Indian Company to supply critical materials for rocket motor booster application for ISRO. 30KhGSA was supplied for launcher pad components for Anti-Tank Guided Missiles. JSHL has been catering to almost all missile programs of DRDO as well.
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DRDO newsletter
APRIL 2022 | VOLUME 42 | ISSUE 04
DRDO CELEBRATES NATIONAL SCIENCE DAY-2022



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HAL ties up with Israel Aerospace Industries to convert civil aircraft to multi mission tanker transport aircraft.

Hindustan Aeronautics Limited has entered into an MoU with Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) to convert Civil (Passenger) aircraft to Multi Mission Tanker Transport (MMTT) aircraft in India. Under the pact, HAL will convert pre-owned Civil (Passenger) aircraft into air refueling aircraft with cargo and transport capabilities, the Bengaluru-headquartered company said in a statement on Wednesday.

The move will provide India’s defense ecosystem with new capabilities and cost effective solutions in the market, it said. The MoU will facilitate HAL and IAI’s decades’ long expertise in developing, manufacturing and producing leading defence platforms, the statement said. The scope of MoU also covers “passenger to freighter aircraft” conversion along with MMTT conversions.

“We are glad to join hands with our long standing partner IAI in this venture of MMTT conversion business which is one of the strategic diversification avenues identified by HAL”, said HAL CMD, R Madhavan.

President IAI and CEO, Boaz Levy, said in his message: “We are proud to come together with our counterparts to bring our best value MMTT solution in India, while utilising local resources to manufacture and market the platform. By collaborating with HAL and bringing conversion directly to India, we are supporting the ‘Make in India’ campaign”.
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Historic step! Marine engines to be developed in India!
AIP for development of Marine Diesel Engines 1MW- 12 MW granted.
Ambitious industry-led design & development program to be supported by MoD with 70% funding

https://twitter.com/drajaykumar_ias/sta ... eMaV3XVN9g

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Color me confused here. Doesn't Kirloskar already make diesel engines for ships locally? Or is that based on license manufacturing versus being a locally owned design? Also, the Kaveri marine turbine produces 12MW and supposedly ready for production, so why this and not that? Just trying to understand the nuances here.
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8)
@DefenceMinIndia:
Third Positive Indigenization List में complex systems, जैसे कि-
• Sensors,
• Weapons और ammunitions,
• Rocket,
• Naval Utility Helicopters,
• Patrol vessels,
• Anti-ship Missile,
• Anti-Radiation Missile, और
सेना की जरूरतों को पूरा करने वाले ऐसे अनेक items शामिल हैं: RM
https://twitter.com/DefenceMinIndia/sta ... 0GyoQ&s=19
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Raksha Mantri Shri Rajnath Singh released the third positive indigenisation list of 101 items, comprising major equipment/platforms, in New Delhi on April 07, 2022.
These weapons and platforms are planned to be indigenised progressively with effect from December 2022 to December 2027. These 101 items will, henceforth, be procured from local sources as per provisions of Defence Acquisition Procedure (DAP) 2020.
https://pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=1814446
Ministry of Defence

Landmark policy decision to indigenise 101 more weapons and platforms to speed up ‘Aatmanirbharta’ in Defence

Raksha Mantri announces third list comprising major equipment/platforms

Hands over 30 agreements to domestic defence industry for transfer of 21 DRDO technologies

These weapons & platforms to promote domestic industry and transform R&D and manufacturing in the country, says Shri Rajnath Singh

Our aim is to create an environment where public, private sector and foreign entities can work together and help India become one of the leading countries in defence manufacturing: RM

Posted On: 07 APR 2022 3:46PM by PIB Delhi
https://static.pib.gov.in/WriteReadData ... 738101.pdf
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Most of these are DRDO, DPSU items already developed or whose development is launched, with timeliness far ahead in the future. Probably to allow the services to continue to import till then. Makes no sense. Don't understand what the MOD is even up to.
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Please discuss these items. No whines or gnan!
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Karan M wrote:Most of these are DRDO, DPSU items already developed or whose development is launched, with timeliness far ahead in the future. Probably to allow the services to continue to import till then. Makes no sense. Don't understand what the MOD is even up to.
Agreed. Though the no-import list is a welcome step, I increasingly think its being gamed by the MoD, the Chandigarh lobby etc

1) Banning specific items rather than a category. Why not say "No artillery imports. No tank imports. No medium weight fighter imports"?

2) Allowing screwdriver-giri to be passed off as Make in India. Though the K9 is a good platform, it should not be allowed if "tracked artillery" is in the no-import list. Otherwise, all that a foreign vendor needs to do is to sign a JV with Tata, Godrej, Mahindra, L&T etc and the gravy train can continue

3) Adding existing platforms/weapons which are already being inducted or planning to be, in the no-import list. This is just a filler to make it look like the no-import list is big

In Twitter, people are going ga-ga over this list. I don't find it path-breaking at all.

If the RM is letting this happen under his nose, it doesn't reflect well on him
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Wonderful list and good work by the government. Just look at the timeline of NUH.

The time for import lobby is going to be over in next 10 years. If it is achieved, it would be a great service to the nation.

It is messaging by the government. In next 10 years the list would be so long, that import lobby would require to invent items for survival.

Import is not the problem. Problem is what we import. If we are importing cutting edge tech to leapfrog, it makes sense. Currently, we are importing bullets. Government is taking right steps, as you can't clean Augean stables with one list.

A very strange item in the list is GER rockets for Pinaka...What does it tell us? Are we importing complete rockets for Pinaka?
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Ramana:

1) I looked at the Dec 2022 list

Total items: 37
Items that are too specific (either because they are too narrow or name the product specifically or are just components of a specific system): 1,2,3,6,12,27,28,34. Total 8 out of 37 systems --> more than 20%

2) What's not there? If the list was to be impactful, we should have seen some or all of the below in the list. These would be broad categories of major weapon systems that we already have indigenous capability for. None of these in the list even upto 2027!

Army: Tanks, armored vehicles, artillery. The mention of light tank in the Dec 2025 list doesn't count. Tanks as a category should be import-banned
Air Force: Medium weight fighter aircraft
Navy: SSKs and SSNs
All: Light Utility Helicopters for all services & civilian use, Light Combat Helicopters

3) MGS is listed in the no-import list starting Dec 2025. Why? Kalyani MGS is ready today!

4) Items are listed with a start date based on when the MoD thinks it will be inducted. Example: light tanks in Dec 2025. Does it mean that the IA can import Sprut till then? If an item has a clear indigenization potential and a plan, it should make it to the current year's December list - not some future date. Otherwise, what stops the Army from importing its entire requirement of light tanks in the next 3 years, effectively killing the program?

5) MALE-UAV has a target date of Dec 2026. And Rustom, we hear, is ready to be handed over this year! What gives?

6) Like the items mentioned in #1 above, there are many gap-fillers. The number of LRUs in Tejas is 134. These are just the major components. If we multiply by the number of platforms and start including smaller components also, we can literally come up with 1000s of items that can be targeted for indigenization. You can have the next 10 years of 101 items each, filled with these. Example: item 52 (marine grade aluminium alloy plates :roll:). There needs to be a benchmark for what gets into the list. Only items that are considered major components, are non-specific & are of high-value should even qualify to be in the list
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I'll post a detailed assessment later.
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I think this negative list business is more show than substance. There is a major geopolitical shift happening and the time for us to do some thing in this sector is now or never

I would start by looking at all our Soviet orgin equipment
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What happened to anti submarine warfare Ships ? .. is there some indigenous tech development in this area
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kit wrote:What happened to anti submarine warfare Ships ? .. is there some indigenous tech development in this area
SURTASS?
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Atmavik wrote:I think this negative list business is more show than substance. There is a major geopolitical shift happening and the time for us to do some thing in this sector is now or never

I would start by looking at all our Soviet orgin equipment
But the lists does hammer the point, again and again so as to mold the mindsets of stakeholders. This change cannot be brought overnight especially when many have vested interests in the imports.
The lists also gives the local vendor a voice to raise when something in the list is imported, without which they don't even have any base to stand upon.
Also this gives local vendors hope at end of the tunnel to invest funds in any research.
This is not just a change it's transformation, slow boil is better.
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Karan M wrote:I'll post a detailed assessment later.
Looking fwd to it. But to me this looks like just a gimmick. These are half measures.
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YashG wrote:
Karan M wrote:I'll post a detailed assessment later.
Looking fwd to it. But to me this looks like just a gimmick. These are half measures.
In what way please elaborate. Cant just make one-liner remarks.
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ramana wrote:
YashG wrote: Looking fwd to it. But to me this looks like just a gimmick. These are half measures.
In what way please elaborate. Cant just make one-liner remarks.
Ramanaji, fair enough. As others here have already expressed - I will just put up my observation, since you ask. But it's a bit of repetition, since others have made valid points in this direction.

#1 "Banning specific items rather than a category" - btw LCA has 310 LRUs & same will be true for many other indigenous systems. If this is done at item level, we can make a list for next 5 years without achieving anything.

#2 How do - things that we're already making in India and even buying from the country - adding them in the list help the cause.

#3 Stuff like marine sewage treatment plant - these are not defence items, these are clearly civilian systems. This list should only focus on strategic/tactical defence equipment.
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YashG wrote:
ramana wrote: ....
#3 Stuff like marine sewage treatment plant - these are not defence items, these are clearly civilian systems. This list should only focus on strategic/tactical defence equipment.
Assuming ship and submarine crew do not pee or shit ! Or have designated pee/poop station to fall into sea .
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Vayutuvan wrote:
kit wrote:What happened to anti submarine warfare Ships ? .. is there some indigenous tech development in this area
SURTASS?
Towed arrays are not dedicated anti submarine vessels, they need special anti magnetic hulls
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YashG wrote:#3 Stuff like marine sewage treatment plant - these are not defence items, these are clearly civilian systems. This list should only focus on strategic/tactical defence equipment.
I was curious and found this stuff.

https://taskandpurpose.com/popular/life ... -like-sht/
Keeping with the real serious stuff, any horror stories about the toilets backing up? This isn’t something I’ve heard, I’m just curious about it.

No, I mean that’s a real serious problem. So, what we do is all the poop and all the excrement and all that stuff goes into the sanitary tanks. There’s three sanitary tanks onboard a submarine. So what you have to do to discharge it is you have to pressurize a sanitary pump that blows the sanitary waste outside of the boat. That does a couple things. It blows outside the boat and you can hear all the fish coming in off sonar, all the crabs and things going crazy and eating all the poop. But if the valve line-up isn’t correct, that poop will be sent somewhere else in the boat and one place we had pressurized poop go was into the kitchen, into the galley. The machinist mates, called A-gangers got the valve line-up wrong in such a way that the poop went through one of the deep sinks and sprayed the entire galley. In this case it was grey water, but it smelled like poop. It ruined pizza night for the sub.


My guess is that that item you listed is more like developing sanitary pumps and other such equipment in India itself.
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Haridas wrote:
YashG wrote:
Assuming ship and submarine crew do not pee or shit ! Or have designated pee/poop station to fall into sea .
Marine sewage treatment tech is a civilian sector that has dual uses. Just like <3 nm semiconductor chips or high performance lithium ion batteries that also we do not produce in india. A number of defence capabilities are and will be derived from civilian industrial base and this list could narrow down its focus to things that are specifically military use and broad like MBTs. An indigenous submarine with foreign sewage treatment plant is better than foreign submarine with indian treatment plant.

Focus on forest not trees.
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DRDO to start the Manufacturing of Archer UAV, spinoff of RUSTOM.
The DRDO Rustom-I is a Medium Altitude Long Endurance (MALE) class of UAV and is based on NAL’s Light Canard Research Aircraft (LCRA). It was designed to replace or supplement the IAI Heron UAV in service with the Indian Army. Rustom-I was a technology demonstrator. The Archer UAV is spin-off of the Rustom-I with upgraded avionics architecture. It is going to be short range weaponized UAV, equivalent of the Hermes 550 class UAVs.
The Archer will have a weight of around 600 kg, payload of 200 kg and fuel capacity of around 150 kg. The UAV will have an endurance of 12 hours, service ceiling of 22,000ft and range of 220km with auto take-off and landing (ATOL) capabilities.
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According to a Defense Channel AV, DRDO's AIP has successfully demonstrated endurance of 14 days and a plug-in is being developed to equip Scorpenes with the AIP.
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https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/l ... 2022-04-13
Loitering Munitions developed by Solar Industries successfully tested in Ladakh
Loitering Munitions, developed by Solar Industries, was successfully tested in high-altitude conditions in Ladakh last month.

Manjeet Negi
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April 13, 2022
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https://www.financialexpress.com/defenc ... h/2486084/
Written by Huma Siddiqui
April 8, 2022 5:25:44 pm
Loitering Munition developed by Solar Industries tested successfully in Ladakh
There are more than 80 percent indigenous contents and they meet global quality and safety standards. The company claims these products made indigenously will be economical by almost 40 percent compared to imports.

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^^ Will this be considered winter or summer trials ?
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vimal wrote:^^ Will this be considered winter or summer trials ?
Probably Spring trials. Then come summer, autumn, and winter trials.

[EDIT] Mods, please feel free to delete this (with my apologies) if this isn't a relevant or useful comment.
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You tell us Vimal..
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vimal wrote:^^ Will this be considered winter or summer trials ?
I have a feeling that this will not receive the same treatment as some of the other equipment developed by DRDO.

This will get in service a lot quicker than any thing else we have seen before.
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Supporting private sector UAV ecosystem by placing decent order sizes in a quick period of time, is one of the few areas where the IA has shown alacrity in supporting the domestic MIC.

So, the Solar Industries munition stands a decent chance
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vimal wrote:^^ Will this be considered winter or summer trials ?
These are trials by the vendor. The various iterations of User Trials have not even started :)
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Vips wrote:
vimal wrote:^^ Will this be considered winter or summer trials ?
These are trials by the vendor. The various iterations of User Trials have not even started :)
Ok so we should call these as undertrial.
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Captive trials.
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Drones of these types are getting a lot of attention and orders from IA. Ideaforge's switch drones being ordered is a good example. NewSpace and Alpha have got orders too.
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Mazagaon Dock's capacities to make submarines to become idle.

The substantial submarine manufacturing capabilities of state-owned Mazagaon Dockyards Ltd are set to become idle, with the last of the Kalvari (Scorpene) class being launched next week, bringing an end to the Navy's Project 75 to acquire six conventional submarines.

Highly skilled workforce, specially trained to work on pressure hulls, is likely to be moved to other warship projects that the yard has bagged as plans to manufacture next-generation submarines have hit delays.

MDL has a capacity to construct 11 submarines at any given time and is a lead contender for the Navy's Project 75 I - a new class of submarines equipped with air independent propulsion that can stay underwater for days. However, delays in the project -due to concerns raised by foreign partners on sharing of responsibility, conditions of technology transfer and the planned budget - means that India's top submarine builder will be without work for a few years.

MDL has invested close to ₹1,000 crore in upgrading and modernising facilities, including a new wet basin, submarine section assembly workshop and a goliath crane to gear for upcoming requirements of the Navy. "The submarine division has two dedicated parallel submarine assembly lines fully ready for operations. With these assembly lines, MDL has a capacity to undertake construction of 11 submarines at any given time," said Vice Admiral (retd) Narayan Prasad, CMD, MDL.

MDL is the only shipyard in India which has successfully constructed conventional submarines with two different technologies - the German SSK class submarines as well as French Scorpene class submarines. MDL has in the past given an offer to the Navy to construct additional Kalvari class submarines. The plan, which sources said could be revived, was to use the existing design that can be easily constructed at MDL and upgrade the sensors and weapons.

As no new submarine order has been placed, MDL now plans to use its specialised infrastructure and workers for activities like submarine repairs and opportunities in the international markets. The yard has an order book of Rs 46,000 crore, which primarily consists of surface ships like the Visakhapatnam Class Project 15B stealth destroyers and Nilgiri Class Project 17A stealth frigates.
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Not sure if this has been touched upon on BRF yet but it’s HUGE new
https://twitter.com/ksingh_1469/status/ ... tJOJhfGjKA

That means the DRDO now has SIX ex-AI A319/20/21

Immediately gets multiple projects going

-AMCA (FTB)
-SIGINT
-NETRA MK.2

With this kind of fleet they will be testing out a lot of new stuff, guess india can have a P-8 equivalent of its own within 5-7 years just off the top of my head
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