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^ Nice Sudarshan Chakra to help decapitate India's enemies
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chetak wrote: img
Looks like the graphics guy mislabeled SFDR as another HSTDV. Happens when dealing with 20 acronyms at once
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Four interesting points brought up by Gen. Ravi Shankar.

1. Importance of adding a layer of repair depots closer to border areas.

2. Repair depots to be more comprehensive instead of being functionally aligned like the BRDs are i.e. they need to cater to most items needing repair in the theater, not just specialized for specific items like a gun or tank.

3. Building surge capacity in OFB by introducing reservists from private sector who will do a tour of duty for a couple of months per year or so.

4. Importance of contract specifications, with the example of the M777 spares and MRO.
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https://swarajyamag.com/defence/indian- ... otic-mules

WTF is this? Are these really the priority?
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Jet pack i don't understand. But robotic mules make a great deal of sense.
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Pratyush wrote:Jet pack i don't understand. But robotic mules make a great deal of sense.
No, they don't.
It has been proven conclusively that conventional mules (ie. of the horse variety) are simply superior to robotic mules in every way. IC-engine based mules make a ton of noise, and battery powered ones just last a couple of hours at max. Moreover getting the thing to move reliably on difficult terrain requires massive investments in AI, computer vision, control systems and so on. Boston Dynamics invested 42 million $ to develop their robotic mules (sponsored by US govt of course). And they are still not good enough for the US military to use.
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What about feeding and hydrating the mules at high altitudes?
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Might be easier than charging batteries of e-mules ;) Those who travel with pack animals pack food for the animals as well and make those very animals carry it, since like forever !
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The video clip is from an earlier test. I recall the shadow of the exhaust plume on low altitude cloud from a prior test.
Varoon Shekhar wrote:DRDO's HSTDV tested today
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GRSE signs pact with Rolls Royce Solutions to manufacture marine diesel engines.

Defence PSU Garden Reach Shipbuilders and Engineers (GRSE) Ltd has signed a memorandum of understanding (MoU) with Rolls Royce Solutions of Germany for manufacture of high-quality marine diesel engines at the former's plant in Ranchi, an official said here on Saturday.

The Indian Navy's Chief of Material Vice Admiral Sandeep Naithani was present at the signing of the MoU, he said.

"The MoU deals with transfer of technology related to engine assembly, painting, parts sourcing and after-sales service for these engines that are to be assembled at GRSE's Diesel Engine Plant in Ranchi," the company official said in a statement.

It will provide a great opportunity to local industry, particularly micro, small and medium enterprises involved in the manufacture of components and spares, he said.

"Under the agreement, GRSE and Rolls Royce Solutions will co-operate in the licence production and localisation of the technologically advanced MTU S4000 governmental marine engines," the GRSE official said.

These engines, which are at present imported, are used for fast patrol vessels, interceptor boats and fast attack crafts built by GRSE and other shipyards in the country, he said.

The MoU was signed on Friday by GRSE's chairman and managing director Commodore (retd) PR Hari and GS Selwyn, managing director of MTU, a solution brand of Power Systems, a fully-owned subsidiary of Rolls Royce, the official added.
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Perhaps the real value of manufacturing in India is not the elusive ToT, but MRO opportunities that can bridge the gap between our budgetary constraints and and defense needs. Not to mention how being integrated into a global supply chain is a sticky glue for political alignments.
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About 3 years ago DRDO had a list of projects to be completed within 36 months. Anybody seen any progress reports?
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Indian researchers develop new tech to make military equipment invisible to radar.

In a significant achievement, Indian reserchers have able o develop a material that can make stealth vehicles and covert establishments less visible to the radar.

Radars are used in defence and civil sectors for surveillance, and navigation, to detect and track aircraft, ships, ground vehicles, and movements within covert establishments.

The material can absorb a wide range of radar frequencies (signals), irrespective of the direction from which the radar signal hits the target, said the team of researchers at the Indian Institute of Technology (IIT), Mandi, which has developed the technology. According to it, it can also be used to cover windows or glass panels of stealth vehicles and covert establishments that must be invisible to radar.

The research has been published in the journal "IEEE Letters on Electromagnetic Compatibility Practice and Applications".

"Being invisible to radar is a crucial defence strategy and the ability to evade radar detection can reduce the chances of being targeted by enemy weapons," explained Shrikanth Reddy, Assistant Professor, School of Computing and Electrical Engineering, IIT Mandi.

"Any technique that makes things invisible to radar can also be used in the commercial sector to reduce radiation leakages from buildings and make them more secure. For example, invisibility to radar can also be used in private or covert establishments for the protection of information and privacy," he said.

Radar Cross Section (RCS) reduction is a way to make something less visible to radar. RCS reduction is achieved by using materials that can absorb radar signals, or by shaping the object in a way that makes it difficult for radar to detect.

"We have developed a technology based on Frequency Selective Surface (FSS) that absorbs a wide range of frequencies used in radar, which makes the surface invisible to radar," Reddy explained.

The proposed design uses an optically transparent Indium Tin Oxide (ITO)-coated Polyethylene terephthalate (PET) sheet. The FSS patterns are created on this PET sheet.

PET sheet is a common thermoplastic that provides high dimensional stability, excellent mechanical strength and good resistance.

The researchers created FSS pattern on the PET sheet with the laser engraving technology. Due to symmetrical and lossy nature of these patterns, the proposed material absorbs a wide range of electromagnetic (EM) wave frequencies within C (4-8 GHz), X (8-12 GHz) and Ku (26-40 GHz) Band.
Tests showed that this technology can absorb more than 90 per cent of the radar waves in a wide range of frequencies.

The team performed experimental studies on their design and the results matched well with the theoretical analysis, verifying its effectiveness.

"This technology can be used on window or glass panels of stealth vehicles and covert establishments due to its optical transparent nature," Reddy said. "The team has already developed a prototype and the results have been published in IEEE Journal. This technology has potential applications for RCS reduction and absorption of unwanted radiation leakages," he added.
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Nice!
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What the flying-f@$%! We have China breathing down our necks & the Forces have spent only 52% of their Capex in 2022-23.

Why? Because cannot place orders with Russia

Here is a novel idea - how about ordering indigenous weapons?

https://swarajyamag.com/defence/defence ... -on-russia
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ramana wrote:About 3 years ago DRDO had a list of projects to be completed within 36 months. Anybody seen any progress reports?
they called it mission mode programs. It keeps popping up now and then. There was a lsit of mission mode programs few days ago.


https://swarajyamag.com/defence/drdo-wo ... crore-govt

https://raksha-anirveda.com/drdo-workin ... -projects/

New Delhi: The Government has worked out the Mission Mode (MM) projects of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO). As on date, DRDO is working on 55 MM Projects for a total sanctioned cost of Rs 73,942.82 crore, Parliament was told.

In a reply, Minister of State for Defence Ajay Bhatt told Lok Sabha that these are in the area of Decoys, Nuclear Defence Technologies, Air Independent Propulsion (AIP), Combat Suite, Propulsion System, Air Droppable Container, Torpedo, Fighter Aircraft, Cruise Missile, Unmanned Aerial Vehicle, AEW&C Aircraft System, Gas Turbine Engine, Assault Rifle, Warhead, Light Machine Gun, Rocket, Advanced Towed Artillery Gun System (ATAGS), Infantry Combat Vehicle Command, Ordnance Disposal System, Tactical Radios, EW Systems, Radars, Life Support System, Geographical Information System, Surface to Air Missile, Anti-ship Missile, anti-Airfield Weapon, Glide Bomb, Simulator

https://www.idsa.in/system/files/jds_3_3_nrkrishnan.pdf
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fanne ji, "Simulator" What kind and simulating what? Any idea?
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Prem Kumar wrote:What the flying-f@$%! We have China breathing down our necks & the Forces have spent only 52% of their Capex in 2022-23.

Why? Because cannot place orders with Russia

Here is a novel idea - how about ordering indigenous weapons?

https://swarajyamag.com/defence/defence ... -on-russia
They are scared of creating a 'precedent' : After all, if they order indigenous weapons now, then they will be expected to do so in the future, even when Russia gets back on track. Can't upset the import lobby with their kick-backs and wine. Oh no.
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^^ why doesn’t the army place order for LUH with the money they r giving back ? , lch is waiting for Atgm but what’s the hold up with LUH ? Those old cheetha helis should have gone 10 yrs ago

R they waiting for Aon ? Or Foc ?
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Atmavik wrote:^^ why doesn’t the army place order for LUH with the money they r giving back ? , lch is waiting for Atgm but what’s the hold up with LUH ? Those old cheetha helis should have gone 10 yrs ago

R they waiting for Aon ? Or Foc ?
They need an order from RM as the funds were allocated specifically for a task.

Or else CAG will come as a ton of bricks and the Opposition will cry foul.
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Looks like the MoD is running around, asking Services to use their Capex before the financial year ends. There are plenty of homegrown options to choose from .... but the will is lacking

The best we will see is some emergency imports. More than 70K Crores are yet to be spent - most likely, the vast majority of it will go back to the Fin Min.

The MoD and more importantly, the Services, has no right to gripe about a meagre 6% increase in Capex in this year's budget, given their shoddy track-record in Capex spend
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Make-in-India for defence aerospace to pave way for commercial side too eventually’

The Modi government’s recent defence side aerospace make-in India success will eventually pave the way for the country to become an assembly hub for civil aviation ecosystem. Maneck Behramkamdin, AVP and business head of Godrej Aerospace which was the first private Indian company to manufacture modules of the DRDO engine, has told TOI the mega plans established desi companies have for defence aerospace will sooner than later get into the commercial space as the ecosystem will be in place along with a strong business case. India is keen that Boeing and Airbus set up finally assembly lines here given the number of orders these two are likely to get from airlines here over the next few years.

“Last year our turnover was Rs 800-850 crore and we have been growing at about 22% annually. The civil side accounts for 15% of our overall business and this has been growing 20% year-on-year. We plan to invest Rs 500 crore over the next 3.5 years in a new mega manufacturing unit just outside of Mumbai. Facilities like these of Indian companies will eventually be making for commercial aerospace too,” Behramkamdin told TOI.

“Gas Turbine Research Establishment (GTRE, a laboratory of the Defence Research and Development Organisation) came up with a request for proposal for making the first Kaveri engine with private players. We are proud to have won all eight modules of that engine. Godrej will be the first private company (the other being government-run Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd) to make modules for turbojet engines in India. We want and would become an engine manufacturer at some point of time,” Behramkamdin said.

On the commercial side, Godrej runs centre of excellence in India with Rolls Royce since 2016 where it makes fabricated brackets as components for engines. It also supplies components for GE’s LEAP engine programme, which is used both on Airbus A320 family and Boeing 737 Max. “From brackets we moved to fabricating tubes and ducts as components for engines for commercial aircraft. We plan to move to making modules for civilian aircraft. That’s the next step — from component maker to semi-integrated part provider,” Behramkamdin said. The company exports 30% of its aerospace production to foreign OEMs like Rolls Royce, GE and Safran on the civilian side.

The past few days have seen major announcements on defence side make in India. Tatas will will manufacture C-295 transport aircraft for the Indian Air Force at Vadodara in Gujarat in partnership with Airbus. Eventually this ecosystem will pave the way for make in India for commercial aviation too, he feels.

“While aircraft manufacturing is not new to India, modules of engine of this class are being manufactured indigenously for the first time by an Indian private company. In all of the aircraft manufacturing taking place in India so far, engines were manufactured in India under license from the foreign original equipment manufacturers. With global majors keen on manufacturing in India, we are looking forward to serve their requirement of development of various kinds of engines,” Behramkamdin said.

Godrej has been in aerospace since 1985 when it was invited by ISRO to participate in India’s space programme by making components for satellite propulsion. Then it graduated to making liquid propulsion engines. “The famous Vikas engine that takes our PSLVs and GSLVs to space and then the cryogenic engine are manufactured by us. Recently, we also started working on another engine for ISRO. These are all designed by ISRO and made by us,” he said. When the government at the start of his Millennium wanted to start Brahmos missiles as a JV between India and Russia, the government identified some partners that included Godrej to make the mechanical systems.
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csaurabh wrote:
Pratyush wrote:Jet pack i don't understand. But robotic mules make a great deal of sense.
No, they don't.
It has been proven conclusively that conventional mules (ie. of the horse variety) are simply superior to robotic mules in every way. IC-engine based mules make a ton of noise, and battery powered ones just last a couple of hours at max. Moreover getting the thing to move reliably on difficult terrain requires massive investments in AI, computer vision, control systems and so on. Boston Dynamics invested 42 million $ to develop their robotic mules (sponsored by US govt of course). And they are still not good enough for the US military to use.
This is classic case of S Curve for technology innovation. For sometime the biological mules will stay on top. But there will come a point due to combined improvements in battery, AI & Chip tech when this will reverse. So we should use mules but keep developing the emules or atleast keep involved. When the time is right, emules will outdo mules but that time is not now or in next 5 years.

A labor intensive economy like India can easily have advantages with mules for forseaable future (breeding, rearing) . Not true for US. US can do cheaper only for animlas that need giga-farms level production (chicken, dairy livestock etc.)
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Prem Kumar wrote:What the flying-f@$%! We have China breathing down our necks & the Forces have spent only 52% of their Capex in 2022-23.

Why? Because cannot place orders with Russia

Here is a novel idea - how about ordering indigenous weapons?

https://swarajyamag.com/defence/defence ... -on-russia
If MoD babus cant make a cut, they will not order anything. MoD babus are the spearhead and meat of the import lobby and they spin around themselves compliant political party fund agents, officers in armed forces.
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Probably kids and family are in foreign lands and no emotional attachment to India. In cases the thought goes to only personal profit.
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414 engine will be used in LCA Mk2.

Discussions with GE.

Awaiting US Govt's clearance.

In visit of our NSA to the US, this was discussed.

Hopefully, in next 3-6 months, announcement of GE 414 manufacturing will happen & these engines will get made in the country:DRDO chief
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DRDO developing critical defence components indigenously DRDO chief

Bengaluru, Feb 14 (PTI) The Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) is working on developing a precision guidance kit, a seat ejection system for the pilots and pyrotechnic cartridges, DRDO Chairman Samir V Kamat said here on Tuesday.
The DRDO is also coming up with an engine for its Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) Tapas.
“We are working on the precision guidance kit. We have developed the seat ejection system, a life-saving product for the pilots and several pyrotechnic cartridges,” Kamat told reporters at the Yelahanka Air Force Base, where the 14th edition of the biennial Aero India-2023 is underway.
The premier defence organisation has also indigenously developed an engine with 180 HP capacity for the UAV Tapas.“This engine has been indigenously developed and very soon, maybe in two months, it will be a part of Tapas. It can go up to 17,000 ft altitude and it has worked satisfactorily,” he said.
The DRDO chief said the organisation has displayed 321 products at the Aero India show, including some critical components.“In the Aero India, we have showcased some of our air delivered bombs and many are on display,” he added.
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So goodbye to Martin Baker ejection seats?

Can some one take picture of the air delivered bombs?
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IAF pilots will soon have indigenous aviation helmets, to be made by MKU.

For the first time Indian armed forces will be equipped with high-quality, aviation helmets which will be made by MKU under its sub-brand Kavro.

Common Aircrew Helmet for different aircraft including Advanced Jet Trainer (AJT) `Hawk’ and Kiran trainers, for MiG-21, and Jaguar fighters, Lightweight Integrated Aircrew Helmet for the Su30 and MiG series fighters will be made by the company under `Make in India’ initiative at its facility located in the UP Defence Industrial Corridor.

MKU and Defence Bio-Engineering and Electro Medical Laboratory (DEBEL), Defence Research and Development Organization (DRDO) have signed a Transfer of Technology agreement (ToT) agreement to indigenously manufacture Common Aircrew Helmets and Lightweight Integrated Aircrew Helmets.

These helmets have been designed and developed by one of DRDO lab DEBEL. This helmet is expected to provide more protection to aircrews as there is a combination of high-performance fibres and an EPS liner. This combination can withstand high wind blast tests and these helmets are also equipped with mountings for securing oxygen masks/NVG/HPS and also R/T communication.

Stating that the ultimate goal is self-reliance, robust indigenous defence manufacturing industry in India, according to Neeraj Gupta, Managing Director, MKU Limited, “The agreement will facilitate a transfer of technology and expertise between the two companies.”

More about the agreement
With this landmark agreement in place MKU Ltd aims to reduce dependency on imports and also contribute to the growth of the Aerospace and Defence industry in the country.
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Sad to see Gp Capt Thakur Ji exit from the bird.
If this is the employer overreacting, they need to take a relook at this policy decision.He is a valuable voice in PR terms and was doing it on his own time.
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Hvtiaf comes and goes on twitter, not new
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Hope he joins BRF.
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By embracing the private sector, India's military-industrial complex is now on the right track
https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/opini ... 81731.html
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By Lt Gen Raj Shukla (retd)
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https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... t-8491420/

Article linked to by @hvtiaf (Harsh Vardhan Thakur) - he is all praise for Wing Commander Vishal Mishra, who is the inventor! The Vayulink system was also showcased in AeroIndia

Difference between VayuLink & IFF
Asked about the limitations of the existing IFF systems, the officer said that the IFF system is only applicable to an aircraft and requires radars to function. “On the other hand, the Vayulink system can be carried by an aircraft, individual troops or armoured vehicles on ground, distinguishing them from their enemy counterparts. Secondly, the IFF system has limitations with respect to the line of sight,” the officer said.
However, what is the difference between VayuLink and the Data Link-II that we handed over to Boeing for integration into P8I? I thought our data-link was the common, encrypted, jam-proof architecture for sharing real-time data among friendly forces.
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Genser Aerospace to set up first aircraft manufacturing unit in UP defence corridor's Kanpur node.

A complete aircraft manufacturing unit will be set up at the Kanpur node of Uttar Pradesh’s defence industrial corridor (UPDIC) by Genser Aerospace Private Limited.

The manufacturing will start by 2024 at the first complete aircraft manufacturing private industry confirmed a senior government official, reported TOI.

He revealed that UP defence industrial corridor chief nodal officer, former Air Chief Marshal RKS Bhadauria and UPDIC chief general manager Rakesh Mishra held a meeting with Genser Aerospace at Aero India to consolidate the MoU signed and announced at the UP Global Investor Summit 2023.

During the meet, Genser CEO Arunakar Mishra also announced the design of defence aircraft RAJAS-Rakshan.

The officer said that Genser, under the aegis of Aerospace Foundation of India (Aerofi), has been working for over five years on the development of the defence transport aircraft RAJAS-Rakshan.

Mishra said that RAJAS-Rakshan is a two pilot plus seven seat aircraft, with 5 tonnes all-up weight, having a twin turbofan engine with cruise speed of over 0.7 Mach (over 800 kmph) and a range of over 2,000 nautical miles (4,000 km) to travel across India.
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NaMo stole jobs from HAL and gave it to Anil Ambani, as part of the Rafale contract. Meanwhile.... :rotfl:

https://twitter.com/livefist/status/164 ... 77537?s=20 ---> Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) posts highest ever revenue at ₹26,500 crore in FY 2023.

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DRDO has lived up to all the faith reposed in it by the country and then some. Majority of the deals cleared by the Govt in the past few months have been based on tech incubated by DRDO. Due credit to Rajnath Singhji who despite all the skepticism, got these deals cleared in time as versus just returning capex to the MOF. He did right by the country, the AF, the ministry.
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+108

He has walked the talk. Stood solidly by the Atmanirbhar vision and stood upto the lobbies. Praying that he continues taking this hard stance and keeps delivering!
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