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Re: India's R&D in Defence DRDO, PSUs and Private Sector

Postby ramana » 23 Jun 2018 00:10

jaysimha wrote:
Karan M wrote:Standing Commitee on Defence Report 2018-19, March 2018

we will be highly obliged to have the link..



Second that. The one I got is previous year 2017 one.

All, its good practice to put a link when you are quoting as that reduces swirl.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: India's R&D in Defence DRDO, PSUs and Private Sector

Postby Karan M » 23 Jun 2018 03:53

Links are not always available via mobile devices. You get to D/L the PDF/doc and then copy excerpts! Formatting itself is a huge pain.

Anyhow stay tuned, another arthshaster chunkian document will be shared soon. Keep your eyes peeled @ sauravjha and other brf friendly folk! :)

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Re: India's R&D in Defence DRDO, PSUs and Private Sector

Postby sahay » 23 Jun 2018 07:38

ramana wrote:Second that. The one I got is previous year 2017 one.

It was the newest report dated March 2018. You might be mixing up the year of Standing Committee with the year of report. Check pages 29-34 of http://164.100.47.193/lsscommittee/Defe ... nce_43.pdf and you'll see the same things that Karan posted. I have also put the pages into an imgur album if you are still having issues: https://imgur.com/a/RXnRCQy

The 2017 report on DRDO is the 30th Standing Committee report: http://164.100.47.193/lsscommittee/Defe ... nce_30.pdf

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Re: India's R&D in Defence DRDO, PSUs and Private Sector

Postby nam » 23 Jun 2018 13:12

ramana wrote:Conventional sub building are low hanging grapes.
Hence the bickering.

If l&t wants to get into conventional sub building, they could leverage lessons from nuke programme, spend money on r&d and build their own design.

Market it to the world like dcns. French navy does not buy conventional from dcns, however they sell conventional all over the world.

I totally agree private yards are short changed. However there is no point bickering as mod will not change.

They are private enterprise, bring out design, out of box ideas and compete.

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Re: India's R&D in Defence DRDO, PSUs and Private Sector

Postby kit » 23 Jun 2018 17:14

nam wrote:
ramana wrote:Conventional sub building are low hanging grapes.
Hence the bickering.

If l&t wants to get into conventional sub building, they could leverage lessons from nuke programme, spend money on r&d and build their own design.

Market it to the world like dcns. French navy does not buy conventional from dcns, however they sell conventional all over the world.

I totally agree private yards are short changed. However there is no point bickering as mod will not change.

They are private enterprise, bring out design, out of box ideas and compete.


If the government mandates private sector route then L&T could bring in a foreign partner with a futuristic design like the kockums and build on it .. DCNS and HDW will not , they will most likely try on their own.

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Re: India's R&D in Defence DRDO, PSUs and Private Sector

Postby jaysimha » 25 Jun 2018 12:20

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https://tdf.drdo.gov.in/tutorial
DRDO technology development fund tutorials for registration and Guide for Feasibility Submission

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Re: India's R&D in Defence DRDO, PSUs and Private Sector

Postby Prasad » 26 Jun 2018 14:01

Read and weep?
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/sm ... 742340.cms?

Govt to study IISc’s Rs 2,500-crore semiconductor fab proposal

WTF is there to 'study' here?

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Postby Thakur_B » 26 Jun 2018 19:37

^^ To study is babu speak to look into for making a favourable decision. It means they have to submit merits of the proposal.

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Re: India's R&D in Defence DRDO, PSUs and Private Sector

Postby ramana » 26 Jun 2018 20:50

Thakur_B wrote:^^ To study is babu speak to look into for making a favourable decision. It means they have to submit merits of the proposal.

Absolutely correct.

GOI has been burnt many times with scientist proposals for large fabs run by them. Need to ensure its viable.

I did read the initial report and the scientists are credible. Maybe they need some one to run the business end while they concentrate on technology of this fab facility.

Prasad learn to have dispassionate look at things.

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Postby Prasad » 26 Jun 2018 21:54

Sir, this proposal is in the 'study' phase for 3 years. Anyone who has even the most cursory of looks at the Chinese attempts into semiconductors would cry. In an earlier report, these same guys/sources said GaN is untested technology and were wondering if it should be funded at all. So pardon my skepticism. If they do go ahead and fund it, either 200 or 2000 crores, we'd gain for sure.

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Re: India's R&D in Defence DRDO, PSUs and Private Sector

Postby ramana » 26 Jun 2018 23:09

Chinese are Chinese and Indians are Indians.

Usually show you heaven in palm of their hands with out any track record.


For once GOI want to do due diligence and then will fund it appropriately.

When Kalam saab went to MoD with IGMP they increased the asking money and wanted an Integrated development plan.
So who knows, paarkalam.

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Re: India's R&D in Defence DRDO, PSUs and Private Sector

Postby Kakarat » 27 Jun 2018 16:36

https://twitter.com/writetake/status/10 ... 0792530944
#JustIn MoD has enhanced the powers of @DRDO_India Chairman. He/She can now sanction projects and for procurements up from Rs 75 Cr to Rs 150 Cr. Powers of DGs enhanced from Rs 50 Cr to R. 75 Crore.
Good move. Hope to see action now in terms of deliverables!!

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Postby jaysimha » 27 Jun 2018 17:21

http://pib.nic.in/PressReleaseIframePage.aspx?PRID=1536727
Ministry of Defence
MoD Enhances Financial Powers of DRDO
Posted On: 27 JUN 2018 4:10PM by PIB Delhi

To enhance efficiency and effectiveness of Defence Research establishments, Raksha Mantri Smt Nirmala Sitharaman has decided to delegate greater financial powers to various authorities. This wind of change in Defence Research and Development (R&D) is intended to neutralise the ill-effects of over-centralisation and facilitate quicker decision making. This is in line with similar financial delegations made to Armed Forces in the last one year. The delegated powers now stands enhanced as under:-

Powers of Secretary, Defence R&D to sanction projects and for procurements enhanced from Rs. 75 Crore to Rs. 150 Crore and for the Directors General (DG) enhanced from Rs. 50 Crore to Rs. 75 Crore
Enhancement of powers for Proprietary Article Certificate (PAC) cases
From Rs. 50 Crore. to Rs. 150 Crore for Secretary Defence (R&D);
From Rs. 25 Crore to Rs. 75 Crore to DGs;
From Rs. 2 Crore to Rs. 5 Crore for Lab Directors.
Enhancement of powers for Single Tender cases
From Rs. 50 Crore to Rs. 75 Crore for Secretary Defence (R&D);
From Rs. 25 Crore to Rs. 37.5 Crore for DGs;
From Rs. 1 Crore to Rs. 2.5 Crore for Lab Directors.
All Competent Financial Authority empowered to reallocate funds, reduce and enhance costs of projects/programmes within their delegated powers.
The powers of Director General (DG) have been enhanced from Rs. 3 Crore to Rs. 5 Crore for sanctioning Research projects to Universities, Technological Institutions and to Indigenous Defence Industry under the Technology Development Fund Scheme of DRDO.
Powers of post-contract management and maintenance support in respect of contracts for which CFA is the Ministry of Defence, have been delegated to Directors General of DRDO in line with the delegations already made to the Armed Forces.
Delegations for Hygiene and Maintenance Contracts, training expenses, miscellaneous and contingent activities have been rationalized and enhanced to ensure that sanctions are given at the Director and DG levels with minimal flow of files to DRDO HQ.
Consequently, the powers for sanctioning of projects and for procurements that were hitherto with the Secretary Defence R&D have now been delegated to the Directors General of DRDO and the delegation to the Secretary, Defence R&D has been doubled, A number of powers relating to day-to-day functioning that were centralized at DRDO HQ have now been delegated to the DGs and Lab Directors. The delegations also bring flexibility in Universities and by indigenous defence industry. All the delegations that had been made in respect of the services have also been extended to the DRDO.

The Director Generals of DRDO has expressed their satisfaction at this major initiative by the Government and have opined that these forward-looking measures would ensure that majority of the decisions relating to implementation and functioning would largely be taken within the technology clusters whereas policy issues would primarily come to the Government. Given the geographically dispersed Clusters and Laboratories, this will be greatly reduce file movements to and from the DRDO HQ at New Delhi and facilitate faster decision-making.

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Re: India's R&D in Defence DRDO, PSUs and Private Sector

Postby Neshant » 28 Jun 2018 11:45

Neshant wrote:The Army, Navy and AF need to partner with these entities in the private sector for AI related projects if they hope to get anywhere.

But I predicted they will stick with DRDO and other govt entities which will put India even further behind in the AI field.
With no market pressure to make leaps in innovation or deliver things on time, the outcome will be bad to terrible.

The military needs to start engaging the private sector NOW for projects in AI and not waste their time either by giving them the run around.

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TCS bets on artificial intelligence with Ignio

https://www.livemint.com/Industry/TUqYq ... Ignio.html



India really needs to hurry on the AI front.
China is making huge strides in this area and investing a lot in it.
Only by engaging private industry to do AI projects for the military can India hope to at least not fall far behind.

Relying on DRDO for AI innovation is a dead end.
It's literally at a point where US is beginning to wonder if it might lose it's edge in AI to China.
Worrisome to say the least!

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China To Achieve "First Strike" Capabilities Using AI, US Officials Warn

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-06- ... cials-warn

The United States will lose its military technological superiority to China in two years if it doesn't immediately move deeper into fields such as artificial intelligence (A.I.), robotics, hypersonics, and big data.

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Re: India's R&D in Defence DRDO, PSUs and Private Sector

Postby pankajs » 28 Jun 2018 14:04

^
Misleading especially the headline. Not to say that India doesn't have its work cut out.

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Re: India's R&D in Defence DRDO, PSUs and Private Sector

Postby ramana » 28 Jun 2018 21:09

neshant that is the usual laundry list to increase dominance by claiming some one is catching up.

Anyway AI is domain specific. The work in gene research is in a general way applicable to other areas only if there are domain experts to create the techniques.


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Postby jaysimha » 29 Jun 2018 10:58

All India Industry 4.0 & Artificial Intelligence (AI) kumbh mela Hyderabad, Telangana
India’s Progress towards Smart India
13-14 July, 2018

http://ficci.in/events/23787/India-Indu ... Agenda.pdf

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Postby Philip » 30 Jun 2018 03:24

The GOI should've had the successor to Dr.C selected well in advance.You don't find this happening with service chiefs so why should it happen here? The problem is babudom wanting to choose its favourite. Waiting to choose the vital position of head of the DRDO after the current chief has retired is v.bad practice.

Secondly, in many countries brilliant scientists and institution heads with a proven track record are kept on either with extensions or as consultants so that their expertise isn't abandoned. The MOD should utilise such
scientists of repute post retirement in some form or the other, where they can concentrate upon areas of research without the burden of institutional management and administration.

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Re: India's R&D in Defence DRDO, PSUs and Private Sector

Postby ramana » 30 Jun 2018 06:38

I complained that giving extension to Dr C was not good idea as that messes chain of succession in a bureaucracy.
Hope it gets settled soon.

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Postby jaysimha » 30 Jun 2018 12:37

deeeeeeeeeeelayeeeeeeeeed

AMENDMENT No. 2
AMENDMENT No. 2 TO GUIDELINES FOR REGISTRATION OF AGENCIES
FOR SPECIFIC PROJECT OF DRDO COSTING 200-4000 CRORE FOR
COMPOSITE CIVIL WORKS
https://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/whatsnew/e ... 062018.pdf
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Postby jaysimha » 03 Jul 2018 11:11

http://www.aeromag.in/ADMS/7989120190.pdf
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Aerospace & Defence Manufacturing Kumbh Mela
5th Edition 9th & 10th Aug 2018
HAL Convention Center, Bangalore.

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Re: India's R&D in Defence DRDO, PSUs and Private Sector

Postby ramana » 04 Jul 2018 00:04

Karan M wrote:Links are not always available via mobile devices. You get to D/L the PDF/doc and then copy excerpts! Formatting itself is a huge pain.

Anyhow stay tuned, another arthshaster chunkian document will be shared soon. Keep your eyes peeled @ sauravjha and other brf friendly folk! :)


This month?

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Postby A Sharma » 05 Jul 2018 02:00

https://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/pub/newsletter/2018/july_18.pdfDRDO July 2018 Newsletter

DRDO conducted Validation trials of Service Life Extension & Critical Indigenous Components of Brahmos
Successful Flight Test of Solid Fuel Ducted Ramjet
Tejas has successfully completed a series of captive flight trials to clear Derby for the full operational capability in the entire FOC envelope.
DMRL transfers Cold Isostatic Pressing & Sintering Technology for missile Radome

Focus on TAPAS BH-201 (Rustom II)

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Re: India's R&D in Defence DRDO, PSUs and Private Sector

Postby ramana » 08 Jul 2018 08:16

ramana wrote:
Karan M wrote:Links are not always available via mobile devices. You get to D/L the PDF/doc and then copy excerpts! Formatting itself is a huge pain.

Anyhow stay tuned, another arthshaster chunkian document will be shared soon. Keep your eyes peeled @ sauravjha and other brf friendly folk! :)


This month?



Awesome report. Can it be shared here and elsewhere?

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Postby jaysimha » 09 Jul 2018 11:41

DRDO tech focus magazine
Vol. 26 No. 04, July-August 2018
https://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/pub/techfocus/2018/TF_July-Aug_2018_web.pdf

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Postby jaysimha » 09 Jul 2018 17:23

http://ficci.in/events/23768/ISP/FICCI_SolutionsCompendium.pdf
solutions to compendium of problem statements

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Postby nam » 09 Jul 2018 19:26

jaysimha wrote:http://ficci.in/events/23768/ISP/FICCI_SolutionsCompendium.pdf
solutions to compendium of problem statements


This is a gold mine of ideas..Must read.

IA is looking heavily for solutions in light weight bunkers for border areas. Suggestion on composites instead of RCC.

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Postby nam » 09 Jul 2018 23:07

Based on the document, we seem to be pretty ok (Private orgs) with land system, software and integration, wireless system etc.

The one missing piece of the puzzle is the core sensor modules, which are been imported. So fundamentally the gap in Material science.

Another important aspect is the need for funding. There are good ideas, specially from Univs and they need funding for PoC. This is a golden opportunity to drive local R&D and Production.

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Postby ramana » 10 Jul 2018 03:53

nam wrote:
jaysimha wrote:http://ficci.in/events/23768/ISP/FICCI_SolutionsCompendium.pdf
solutions to compendium of problem statements


This is a gold mine of ideas..Must read.

IA is looking heavily for solutions in light weight bunkers for border areas. Suggestion on composites instead of RCC.


Bunkers also mean shelter from shelling.

Composites are very fracture prone.


Have they considered the damage tolerance requirement?

Yes they did. fracture and spall proof design. Page 18 by AMRITA SCHOOL OF ENGINEERING

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Re: India's R&D in Defence DRDO, PSUs and Private Sector

Postby ramana » 10 Jul 2018 04:24

jaysimha wrote:DRDO tech focus magazine
Vol. 26 No. 04, July-August 2018
https://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/pub/techfocus/2018/TF_July-Aug_2018_web.pdf


This issue of Tech Focus is dedicated to materials development division (MDD) testing lab and the equipment. 'Looks very SOTA lab with all sorts of right equipment for metals and composites.

They have a variety of testing equipment. The spectrometers are older and have been upgraded.
One gap I find is FFT IR spectroscope. This is very essential for non-metallic material investigations.

Maybe one of their instruments does this but is not clearly stated.

All in all a very good lab.

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Postby pankajs » 10 Jul 2018 12:01

http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation ... 18144.html
DRDO looks to engage firms for border surveillance system
Two prototypes of the system, developed by DRDO’s Dehradun-based Instruments Research and Development Establishment, were deployed in Ladakh for trials for over a year, sources said. Following requisite modifications and upgrading, the DRDO now wants it operationalised.

“Since DRDO is not a production agency, we are looking at transferring the technology to interested parties, both in private and public sector that can manufacture the system,” a senior DRDO scientist said. “We are willing to engage up to three firms for the project,” he added.

BOSS can be deployed at unmanned observation posts for remote controlled all-weather day-and-night monitoring of designated areas. It consists of a battlefield surveillance radar along with electro-optical sensors like camera, infrared, thermal imager, laser ranger and GPS mounted on a pan-tilt unit.

It can detect a light vehicle at a distance of 10-12 km and a group of persons at 8-10 km while operating in temperatures from minus 30 to 55°C. Real time data and video can be transmitted over a distance of 20 km to a command post through wireless optic fiber link for up to 14 days.

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The border surveillance system (BOSS) consists of a battlefield surveillance radar along with electro-optical sensors such as:

camera
infrared sensors
thermal imager
laser ranger
Global Positioning System

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Postby dinesha » 10 Jul 2018 12:45

India should build its own aircraft: Ex-ISRO chief Kiran Kumar
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 917304.cms


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Postby jaysimha » 12 Jul 2018 18:33

https://www.bitmesra.ac.in/UploadedDocuments/adminser/files/BIT%20AAST.pdf

kumbh mela ON
Advances in Aerospace Sciences and Technologies
October 27 - 28, 2018

Organised by

The Institution of Engineers (India)
Jharkhand State Centre
(http://www.ieijsc.org/)
Under the aegis of
Aerospace Engineering Division Board, IEI
In association with

BIRLA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY
Mesra, Ranchi - 835215, Jharkhand
(www.bitmesra.ac.in)

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Postby dinesha » 15 Jul 2018 12:54

Defence incubator approved by Centre, to come up in second phase of T-Hub
http://www.thehansindia.com/posts/index ... Hub/398083

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Postby jaysimha » 16 Jul 2018 15:44

http://www.manjunathpc.in/portfolio/brochure/HAL.pdf
HAL Composite Manufacturing Division

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Postby Kakarat » 16 Jul 2018 17:22

https://twitter.com/writetake/status/10 ... 4305958912

Press Release
Bharat Electronics Ltd has signed a MoU with Saab, Sweden, recently for jointly marketing the L-Band 3D Air Surveillance Radar, RAWL-03, co-developed by BEL and Saab.

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Postby jaysimha » 17 Jul 2018 14:42

MOD(navy) has nominated Goa Ship yard for construction of mine counter measure vessel with ToT from foreign Shipyard
http://www.eoilisbon.gov.in/docs/Global%20Expression%20of%20Interest%20for%20Transfer%20of%20Technology%20for%20Mine%20Counter%20Measure%20Vessels%20(MCMVs).pdf

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Postby jaysimha » 18 Jul 2018 11:26

kumbh mela on
materials engineering technology & heat treatment
27th - 29th september
Cidco exhibition center Mavi mumbai India
https://htsexpo.in/brochure/Newsletter%20-%20MET%20&%20HTS%202018(1).pdf
Focus sectors Defence, aerospace Infrastructure itd. itd, itd, itd,,,,,,,,,,,


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