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Re: India's R&D in Defence DRDO, PSUs and Private Sector

Postby jaysimha » 15 Jul 2019 13:08

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CSIR-NAL National Aerospace Laboratories
National Conference on Aerospace & Defence Technologies
22nd November 2019
Conferenece to be held in National Aerospace Laboratories,
P B NO - 1779, Old Airport Road, Kodihalli Bengaluru-560017

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Postby ramana » 16 Jul 2019 02:43

A key technology for DRDO to develop is the combined CCD and IIR seeker head in low price.

I think the Dehradun lab is working on that.


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Postby jaysimha » 16 Jul 2019 13:22

==General Information==
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21st Annual CFD Symposium, Aeronautical Society of India
8-9 August 2019 Shri S R Valluri Auditorium
NAL, Bangalore
https://www.nal.res.in/CFDSympo.html
https://www.nal.res.in/cfdimgs/aesi21-2019-Brochure.pdf

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Postby jaysimha » 16 Jul 2019 14:35

Shri GD Birla Memorial Lecture 2018
Research, development and airworthiness certified production of aerospace materials for Indian Defence
Shri NAMBURI ESWARA PRASAD, Director DMSRDE, Kanpur

http://www.iim-india.net/uploads/public ... er2018.pdf

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Postby jaysimha » 22 Jul 2019 11:18

jaysimha wrote:
jaysimha wrote:Image

The 10th edition of Strategic Electronics Summit (SES 2019) – Defence & Aerospace, scheduled on 11th & 12th July, 2019 at Bangalore International Exhibition Center, (BIEC) Bangalore.
Bengaluru, INDIA

http://ses-india.in/


These dates have changed..........

It is now on on 30th & 31st July, 2019 at Bangalore International Exhibition Center, (BIEC) Bengaluru.

http://ses-india.in/
http://ses-india.in/Leaflet%20-%20SES%202019.pdf

CONFERENCE PROGRAM
http://ses-india.in/Conference%20Progra ... 202019.pdf


CONFERENCE PROGRAM
10th Strategic Electronics Summit- Defence & Aerospace
Cassia Hall, Convention Centre, BIEC, Bengaluru
“Creating an Ecosystem for Strengthening Indigenous Manufacturing in Strategic Electronics”

Day–1 30th July 2019
0900- 0930 Hrs Arrival & Registration
0945 – 1130 Hrs - Inaugural Session
Theme Session : “Creating an Ecosystem for Strengthening Indigenous Manufacturing in Strategic Electronics”
Welcome Remarks : Mr. Amrit Manwani, President, ELCINA & CMD, Sahasra Electronics
Industry Address: Shri M. V. Gowtama, CMD, BEL
Special Address: Dr. G. Satheesh Reddy, Chairman & Secretary, DRDO
Keynote Address: Dr. Ajay Kumar, IAS, Secretary, Defence Production, Ministry of Defence, Govt. of India
Inaugural Address : Shri Ajay Prakash Sawhney, IAS, Secretary, MeitY
Vote of Thanks : Col HS Shankar(Retd.), CMD, Alpha Design and Chairman, Organising Committee,SES


1430-1600 hrs - Session – I - Defence Eco-System –Policy, Procurement Procedure & Infrastructure
Lt. Gen. Anil Kapoor, DG-EME, Ministry of Defence
Lt. Gen. Sanjay Verma, AVSM, Director General of Weapons and Equipment (DGWE), Ministry of Defence, Govt. of India
Major General A K Channan, SM, Addl. DG, Army Design Bureau, Ministry of Defence, Govt. of India
Shri Anoop Singh, IFS, Principal Secretary, Electronics & IT, Govt. of Andhra Pradesh
Cmde P N Shenoy, VSM, DG, Weapons and Electronics Systems Engineering Establishment (WESEE), Ministry of Defence, Govt. of India


CONFERENCE PROGRAM
Day – 2 31st July 2019
0900- 0930 hrs Arrival & Registration
0945 – 1100 hrs
Inaugural Session – Start-ups and Eco-system for Promoting New Ventures
Mr. Gopalakrishnan S, IAS, Jt. Secretary, MeitY
Mr Sanjay Jaju, IAS, Jt Secretary, DIP, Ministry of Defence
Mr. Vishwanathan Sahadranaman, CEO, Forge Forward Accelerator
Dr. Kota Harinarayana, Founder Chairman, General Aeronautics Pvt. Ltd.*
Ms. Rashmi, IIT Bombay Incubator

11:00 – 11:45 hrs –SPECIAL SESSION
Cyber Security & Next Gen Communications
Lt. Gen. Rajesh Pant, PVSM, AVSM, VSM, National Cyber Security Coordinator, Govt. of India
Mr. Vipin Tyagi, ED, C-DOT

1200 – 1330 hrs – Session I – Future of Strategic Applications in Space
Session Chairman - Lt. Gen. PJS Pannu, PVSM, AVSM, VSM, Dy. Chief of IDS (Operations)*
Rear Admiral DS Gujral, Asst. Chief of Naval Staff, Indian Navy*
Dr. P. V. Venkitakrishnan, Director, CBPO, ISRO
Col. H.S. Shankar (Retd.), CMD, Alpha Design
Mr. Rakesh Sasibhushan, CMD, Antrix Corporation Ltd.
Mr. S Arunan, Director-Special Projects-Defence & Aerospace, ISRO*

1430 – 1600 hrs – Session II - Role of AIR (Academia, Industry & Research) in “Make in India”
Session Chairman - Rear Admiral VM Doss, VSM, ACNS (Air Materiel), Indian Navy
Dr. VK Rai, Program Director iDEX-DIO, NITI Aayog, Govt. of India *
Prof. Chandrashekhar, BITS Pilani
Prof. Swaroop Ganguly, IIT Mumbai
Dr. Ajay Agarwal, Sr. Principal Scientist & HOD Sensor Group, CSIR – CEERI
Mr. Ankur Kanaglekar, Director, Strategy & Business Development – Boeing India

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Re: India's R&D in Defence DRDO, PSUs and Private Sector

Postby JayS » 28 Jul 2019 20:03

Saw a tender on RBSN Radome. Quick googling shows its being investigated for high temperature applications, that is Hyper sonic missiles. NAL seems to have been working on developing design methodology for RBSN based radome and now perhaps DRDO is taking it to protoype testing.

Also a tender for work package related to Twin Store carrier for Jaguar DARIN II for SAAW on Center line pylon.

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Re: India's R&D in Defence DRDO, PSUs and Private Sector

Postby JayS » 28 Jul 2019 21:38

Question - What would be a Space borne Ku-band Unfurlable Reflector Antenna be useful of..? LRDE seems to be working on one.

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Postby sankum » 28 Jul 2019 22:30

Hard to guess. Most probably ku band geostationary satellite mobile communication requiring large space antenna and low power ground based terminals.

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Postby Kakarat » 28 Jul 2019 22:38

JayS wrote:Question - What would be a Space borne Ku-band Unfurlable Reflector Antenna be useful of..? LRDE seems to be working on one.


Could it be for a SIGINT satellite?

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Postby sankum » 28 Jul 2019 22:40

Can be.,

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Postby prasannasimha » 28 Jul 2019 22:51

The large unfurlable antennae are basically for communication or intelligence purposes. NRO has 300 feet large deployable antennae !! ISRO launched a 6 M one and the largest ones in private sector are by Hughes telecom.
To allow larger antenna placement in the payload faring we will need a 5 meter fairing which we have got with the GSLV Mark II fairing.

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Postby Kakarat » 28 Jul 2019 23:50

The spec does not mention the Deployed antenna size but the stowed volume should be 520X420X1100 mm and wt should be less than 28Kg. 5 antennas to be produces 3 for testing and 2 for satellite

Communication and radar satellites are being done by ISRO so I think there is no need to reinvent the wheel by DRDO and the most likely chance is a SIGINT satellite.

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Postby Karan M » 29 Jul 2019 01:11

LRDE is a radar and antenna specialist. They could have got the project either from DRDO (for a mil sat) or from ISRO (for civilian purposes).

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Postby Kakarat » 29 Jul 2019 01:27

ISRO has already developed 2 types of unfurlable antennas itself, so must be a DRDO project

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Postby Indranil » 29 Jul 2019 02:09

In the last decade, we have gone:
1. from no antitank missiles to Nag (induction), Helina(user trials), SANT (developer trials) and MPATGM (developer trials)
2. from Akash S2A missile to Akash Mk1 (inducted), Akash Mk1S (developer trials), Akash NG(prototype manufacturing), LRSAM/MRSAM (inducted), QRSAM (developer trials), XRSAM (design)
3. from no A2A missile to Astra Mk1 (user trials), Astra Mk2 (design), SFDR (developer trials)
4. from no antiradiation missile to NGARM (developer trials)
5. from Dhruv Mk1 to Dhruv MkIII (inducted), Rudra(inducted), LCH(LSP), LUH (LSP), IMRH (design)
6. from no 152mm artillery guns to Sarang (ordered), Dhanush(ordered), two ATAGS (undergoing field tests)
7. from no ABM to Ashwin (second generation design and testing), PDV (third generation design and testing), AD1 (design), AD2 (design), ASAT (proven).
8. from no PGMs to pgms from 125 kgs to 1000kgs, from 30 km to 100 km ranges.
9. World class combat gear.
10. Ships: too many to list (yes production rate is slow).
11. Strategic missiles: too many to list.
12. Radar systems: too many to list.
13. military vehicles: too many to list.

Frankly, today, DRDO can take on the design of any missile or radar system and complete it in 5-10 years. be it a shoulder launched anti air missile or a short range A2A missile. We have crossed the threshold. Similarly HAL can take on a helicopter design and finish it in 10-15 years. Navy design bureau take up design of any ship and finish it in 10-15 years. All these are world class products in world class time. Yeah production rates require focus.

We have yet to turn the leaf on combat aircraft, UAVs, tanks, fire-arms, attack submarines, all terrain TEL, civil and transport aircraft.

On the first four we are about 5 years away from reaching that critical mass. The latter four, I don't have a good feeling. At least 15 years away.

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Postby Indranil » 29 Jul 2019 02:10

Kakarat wrote:ISRO has already developed 2 types of unfurlable antennas itself, so must be a DRDO project

I have barebone idea of just one type. Could you please provide some details of the two types and their design agencies?

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Postby Kakarat » 29 Jul 2019 15:42

Indranil wrote:
Kakarat wrote:ISRO has already developed 2 types of unfurlable antennas itself, so must be a DRDO project

I have barebone idea of just one type. Could you please provide some details of the two types and their design agencies?


1. 6M unfurlable antenna of Gsat-6
2. Radial Rib antenna

I think both were designed and made by ISRO inhouse

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Postby ramana » 29 Jul 2019 21:26

Indrani, To 1.0 add Amogh-III from BDL. Its another ATGM in developer trials.

6. 155mm guns

Army's big ticket import items are the T-90 tanks. Rest is all made in India.

The IAF has to get the Tejas mfg line going as its the future of the force.
But they act like a reluctant customer.

Need to align soon.

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Postby jaysimha » 31 Jul 2019 16:45

http://pib.nic.in/newsite/PrintRelease. ... lid=192350

Ministry of Home Affairs
28-July-2019 15:13 IST
Shri Amit Shah inaugurates the Second Ground Breaking Ceremony of the UP Investors Summit

Foundation Stone of over 250 Projects worth Rs. 65,000 crores laid ‘UP - a $1 trillion economy’ is an essential part of PM’s Vision of ‘India - a $5 trillion economy’: Shri Amit Shah

During the event, there are sessions on food processing, defence and aerospace manufacturing, electronics manufacturing, tourism and film, electric mobility, power and renewable energy.


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Postby JayS » 31 Jul 2019 18:55

ramana wrote:Indrani, To 1.0 add Amogh-III from BDL. Its another ATGM in developer trials.


From BDL AR 17-18
Amogha-I:- It is a Semi-Automatic Command to line
of Sight (SACLOS) Anti-Tank Guided Missile (ATGM) for
infantry. Missile design has been validated by conducting
test firings. Missiles are being manufactured for further
trails and qualification. Your Company has received Hon’ble
Raksha Mantri’s Award for Excellence for Amogha-I Anti-
Tank Guided Missiles in Innovation category on 30 May
2017.

Amogha-II:- It is a Radio Frequency guidance, Semi-
Automatic Command to line of Sight (SACLOS) ATGM for
mechanized infantry. The development of the missile is
under progress. Test firing of Amogha-II from Ground
launcher was successful on 14th October, 2017.

Amogha-III:- It is a 3rd generation fire and forget, IIR seeker
based ATGM. System configuration has been finalized.
Design of sub-systems is under progress.

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Postby ramana » 02 Aug 2019 04:57

I did a page by page comparison of the OFB section in 2017-2018 and 2018-2019 MoD Report.

I note:
- 2017 Report says Electronic Point Detonation (PD) fuze for 155 mm shells is developed on Page 60.
- No mention of that fuze in 2018 report. Has it completed testing or trials or production.

- The 2017 report talks of developing additional electronic fuze systems for other shells in collaboration with DRDO and IIT Bombay on page 62
- Again no follow up in 2018 Report. Nothing no mention.
- 2017 Report mentions developing the PGK fuze on page 62 of aligning R&D with ARDE and IIT Kanpur.
- No follow up in 2018 report.

Would like to know what happened?

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Postby ramana » 02 Aug 2019 06:54

One more intresting thing is DRDO says that
500 kg General purpose bomb completed penetration testing per ASR
500 kg Pre-formed fragmentation bomb was tested at TBRL in static mode and found accpetable. This one uses steel balls.
The importance of this is bomb is they can vary the size of the steel spheres for varying effects.

Early on we hd cut away pictures of these bombs
So should soon have production news.

Its interesting that the IAF had the 450 kg HSL and now the 500 kg bomb family.
Not to mention huge stock of the 1000 MC from WWII designs.
We heard of the 1000 kg Inertial Guided Bomb which was tested.

Some one finally did a target study and came up with the sizes required.

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Postby Karan M » 03 Aug 2019 05:26

Nag ready for orders - usual price haggling will now commence, but its cleared trials.
SDR for Navy, orders placed.
2x A/T munitions for IA in production at BEL

https://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/pub/newsle ... ust_19.pdf

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Postby srai » 03 Aug 2019 06:23

^^^
Finally!

Total required (after the usual initial token order):
  • 200 x NAMICA
  • 8000 x NAG

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Postby souravB » 03 Aug 2019 06:39

Excerpts from Interview of Dr. GS Reddy
While DRDO has a full range of unmanned aerial systems, there doesn’t seem to be any programme to develop unmanned combat aerial vehicles (UCAV). What is the reason for this?

In the unarmed UAV category, we have the Rustom family. Rustom 1 is fully developed. Its trials have been concluded. Rustom 2, a medium altitude long endurance (MALE) UAV, is in the advanced stage of development. As far as UCAV is concerned, we don’t have any sanctioned programme as on date; however, we have undertaken development of technologies required for realisation of UCAV.

Since the airspace division is roughly about 100 km, if you are able to do your endo-atmosphere interception at a very high altitude (which according to reports was only 45 km), then you can perhaps kill hostile hypersonic missiles too which travel at this altitude?

The hypersonic BMD is a different technology domain. The way one develops the ballistic missile defence is different from what is needed for hypersonic missile defence. The hypersonic missile can be intercepted at different altitudes. A limited capability is being built in AD-1 interceptor to engage hypersonic glide vehicles.

In the early Nineties, Dr APJ Abdul Kalam had mentioned that the DRDO was working on a milli metric wave (MMW) seeker for the Nag ATGM. Since the Nag programme is over now, are you still working on MMW seeker?

We have been working on the MMW-based seeker very seriously. Today, the seeker is developed and we are working on an anti-tank missile with MMW seeker. This is a separate programme, approved by the government. We have been working on it for the last couple of years. The prototype will be ready by the end of this year.

What is the update on AESA radar?

The AESA radar is integrated with the Light Combat Aircraft. The test and evaluation are going on at the moment. We are confident that AESA radar would be fully proven by the next year and would be ready for induction on Tejas Mk 1A.[??]


The questions were mostly bovine droppings (unsurprisingly so, keeps on ranting about AI and foreign help). Posted some tidbits that I found interesting. I'm sure there are many which have been cut on the editor's table. If only there was a verbatim transcript.

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Postby ramana » 03 Aug 2019 09:11

He is very correct about the challenges of hypersonic intercept.

The interviewer is ready to present his own design solution! :)

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Postby ramana » 03 Aug 2019 09:21

sourav Thanks

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Postby jaysimha » 09 Aug 2019 12:52

https://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/pub/newsle ... ust_19.pdf

DRDO news letter AUGUST 2019 | Volume 39 | issue 08

Army conducts successful Summer Trials of Nag
Mod signs Contract for production of Software Defined Radios for in

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Postby jaysimha » 09 Aug 2019 12:57

general information
Silver Jubilee Celebration of National Institute of Ocean Technology
Ministry of Earth Sciences, Govt. of India
Pallikaranai, Chennai
Venue: Panikkar Hall
18 – 20 August 2019 https://www.niot.res.in
https://www.niot.res.in/documents/news/ ... _Final.pdf

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Postby jaysimha » 09 Aug 2019 13:15

Osmania University

4-Day Short Course on GNSS TECHNOLOGIES: FUNDAMENTALS & APPLICATIONS 05-08, SEPTEMBER 2019
5-Day School on GNSS AND IRNSS SOFTWARE RECEIVER: SIGNAL PROCESSING AND ITS APPLICATIONS 08-09, SEPTEMBER 2019
2-Day Symposium on TRENDS IN GNSS RESEARCH 09-13, SEPTEMBER 2019


https://www.osmania.ac.in/News2019/GNSS ... V_3_00.pdf

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Postby jaysimha » 12 Aug 2019 12:52

I am not sure of seeing this here( MBD-if-RP)

India gets its own Standards for Bullet resistant jackets; to supply the jackets to South East Asia
https://www.financialexpress.com/defenc ... a/1439894/

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Postby jaysimha » 12 Aug 2019 12:58

L&T shows pvt shipbuilders can deliver on time
https://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/pub/npc/20 ... ly2019.pdf

wonder what will happen reliance def. ?????????? any action by govt??


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Postby Vips » 14 Aug 2019 03:46

BEL’s new facility in Navi Mumbai to boost manufacturing, testing of composites.

Defence PSU Bharat Electronics Ltd’s new facility is expected to turn around the fortunes of the company’s Navi Mumbai unit.

BEL’s unit has been in the business of manufacturing shelters and masts and overhauling of hydraulic systems of T-72 tanks. The new facility will boost the unit’s manufacturing and testing capabilities in composites, a new area which has been identified by BEL for diversification.

The facility will be used to carry out in-house designing and manufacturing of components using GFRP (Glass Fiber Reinforced Polymer) and CFRP (Carbon Fiber Reinforced Polymer) composites for various Naval applications, submarines, aircraft and shelters.

Inaugurating the new facility, Shripad Naik, Union Minister of State (Independent Charge) for Ayush & Minister of State for Defence, said the new facility will enable BEL develop composites which were lighter yet stronger and posed no environmental hazard.

The new products will cater to the requirements of ship builders, Metro rails, etc.

Gowtama MV, CMD, said the revival story of Navi Mumbai unit was worth emulating. He said BEL would like to be a supply chain partner for all platform manufacturers of the country, including PSUs such as MDL, GRSE, etc.

BEL-NAMU has already executed composites projects such as Radome for 12.86-m Doppler Weather Radar and GFRP Pressurised Missile Container for the Akash Missile System. Besides, the unit has designed a CFRP shelter for Defence applications, composite mast, composite canister for QRSAM, Climatic Control Light Weight Composite Enclosure, Composite Stave Assembly to mount sonar sensors, etc.

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Postby Dileep » 16 Aug 2019 10:05

I visited two of the leading avionics mfrs that supply LRUs to various aircraft programs including Tejas, Su-30, Helos and Trainers. A few musings:

1. The only quality system is the AS9100 accreditation certificates hanging in the lobby and the "FOD Awareness Area" signs. Product is built like the streetside mechanic building car parts.
2. These guys want "international market access". Yeah! Right!.
3. The only thing they have is the technical expertise to build a function. They build a prototype, run the qualification tests, fix the failures, repeat till all tests pass. HASS failures are repaired and re-tested. No FMEA. No theoretical analysis. Nothing.

The Indian avionics industry is at Ambassador/Fiat level. We can't hope to play in the Toyota/Honda level, unless some serious gap bridging is done.

Counter argument: If we go on doing things as per the requirements of global players, the cost will shoot up, and Babus will have constipation onlee.

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Postby Karan M » 16 Aug 2019 17:35

Are these the triple letter PSU name units set up by aforesaid PSU to make avionics?

I am aware of several other firms cribbing about the costs involved with tests and validation and they do FMEA, HASS, sim work etc.

Surprised at above happening unless the above firms did it for first few items of the production run, skimped thereafter. Sadly all this scrapes past if the procurer does not specify rigorous test standards and verification sometimes in RFI/RFP.

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Postby Dileep » 18 Aug 2019 09:21

No. These were the XXX Technologies type small companies started by tech savy individuals. But the XXL DPSU and YYY-XXL subsidiaries are no different.

Of course they do the type tests and HASS procedure properly. But nothing on the 'assurance' side. This attitude is normal in the 'desi jugad' way of doing things.

Here is another counter argument. We still have a fighter aircraft program with zero major failure. (Touch Wood). Maybe this is OK for building fighters. Maybe the Russians do it like this. But if you want to get into passenger aircraft, or western military aircraft, you got a lot of growing to do.

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Comments welcome. The narration is in Hindi. Towards the end the claim is that Uttam can be upscaled from the present ~750 TRMs to 1500 TRMs?


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