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Project 75I- It Begins

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Re: Project 75I- It Begins

Postby Karthik S » 25 Aug 2017 13:38

Philip wrote:3-4 Akulas will make acquiring Soryus unnecessary. Ideally at least 4 Akulas should be acquired,since their lease/acquisition cost is very attractive when compared with a large AIP boat.These boats cost almost $1B,when an Akula,which is 4-5 times larger and carries more than double the weaponload costs only around $1.5B max.Even cheaper would be acquiring Amur/Lada subs to replace Kilos which would cost around $400M at the most.We'd be able to get atr least two of this class for just one Soryu,or U-216S that SPore is getting.Extending the Scorpene run for upgraded boats would seem an answer,but the Scorpene data leak in Oz has had a devastating effect on the sub's future

Indo-Japanese def. relationship should be based upon a jt. strategy rather than simply buying one's milware.Perhaps buying a few US-2s for the IN/CG may suffice as a gesture,as we need amphibs and could stretch the budget to buy these v.costly birds.


Phillip sir, could you tell us why Russia is backing Pakis after Trump's recent remarks.

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Re: Project 75I- It Begins

Postby Philip » 25 Aug 2017 13:44

Russia baiting the US after the US has imposed such asinine sanctions against Russia,expelling its diplomats,etc.It wants to stir the pot.Read the post about the mil. "coup" that's seems to have taken place in the US.where Trump's advisers,mostly ex-mil generals,etc.,are calling the shots on for. policy now.Russia too has interests in Afghanistan and is waiting to pay back the US for its "interference"when it intervened in the country at the behest of the then Afghan regime.It is a diff. situ for India,which has to play the Afghan card v.crefuly.Replacing Pak as Uncle Sam's ever-ready "rent boy" would be an utter catastrophe for Indian strategy,diplomacy.

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Re: Project 75I- It Begins

Postby Marten » 25 Aug 2017 13:50

Can someone please explain how Kockums vs Soryu works out price wise? Soryu appears to be $550mn per news reports. Wouldn't the Swedish boats be cheaper?

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Re: Project 75I- It Begins

Postby Pratyush » 25 Aug 2017 14:01

Hard to say cost wise between the two boats. Cause I am not really sure that kockums boat is a real design. Whereas the soryu is atleast in service with one navy. So the cost should be well known for soryu.

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Re: Project 75I- It Begins

Postby Manish_Sharma » 25 Aug 2017 18:02

:lol:

Rodina lover is really in a panic.

First Navy wants only 3000 tons so a 4000 ton Soryu is a no no.

Let's have nuke fuelled 9000 ton Akulas, instead since they will be cheaper to run than 4000 ton Diesel -Li On subs. :rotfl:

Oh and the classic argument, since Navy wants 3000 ton Diesel Submarine let's give them 1000 ton Natasha Amur submarines. Hmmm so solid.

Money must go to Fatherland Russia, even if their miserable submarines blow up in dock, hic hic where is my Stolichnaya?

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Re: Project 75I- It Begins

Postby Singha » 25 Aug 2017 18:26

#strongmove to have a few sailors standing on the hydroplanes off the conning tower.

for the likes of france, the SSKs are just export cash cows , they rely on SSNs.
for the likes of sweden, again they know russia will roadkill them in ww3, their lives depend on nato n-protection in a serious war, SSKs are cash cows like the gripen for local tech, jobs etc.
russia uses kilo only for black sea fleet to beat up the local goons. and it has backup, lots of it.

only Japan relies on its SSK fleet seriously because it has to. I would run with Soryu on this one. you need the guy whose life depends on it. they will afford as much attention as the USN gives to its SSN program.

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Re: Project 75I- It Begins

Postby Manish_Sharma » 26 Aug 2017 03:51

From the same link, in torpedo section, could it be a typo where speed is mentioned as 130km/h and range as 50 km? Could it be other way around as speed 50 and range 130?

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/thaimilitaryandasianregion.wordpress.com/2016/03/03/soryu-class-submarines-japan/amp/

Type 89 is a wire-guided torpedo with active and passive homing modes. It has a maximum speed of 130km/h and can engage targets within the range of 50km. The torpedo can carry a warhead of 267kg.

Russian with Shkval manage 10 km range only at 200 km/h

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Re: Project 75I- It Begins

Postby Manish_Sharma » 26 Aug 2017 22:26

Ok found it:

. Specifications
Length 6,250 mm (20.51 ft)
Diameter 533 mm (21 in)
Operational
range
27 nautical miles (50 km) at 40 knots (74 km/h), 21 nautical miles (39 km) at 55 knots (102 km/h)
Speed 55 knots (102 km/h) maximum possibly 70 knots (130 km/h)
Guidance
system
active and passive homing modes
Launch
platform
submarine
It is a wire-guided torpedo that features both active and passive homing modes. Compared to Mk-48 (ADCAP) torpedo, it is slightly longer (6.25 m to 5.79 m) and heavier (1,760 kg to 1,676 kg), but has a smaller warhead (267 kg to 295 kg). However, it can be used at a greater depth (900 m vs. 800 m for the Mk-48).

A succeeding design is in development under the development name of "G-RX6".


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_89_torpedo

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Re: Project 75I- It Begins

Postby Karthik S » 13 Sep 2017 18:17

Any possibility Soryu deal can be sealed during Abe's visit now?

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Re: Project 75I- It Begins

Postby Manish_Sharma » 13 Sep 2017 18:23

:cry:
Nope not a word upto now.

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Re: Project 75I- It Begins

Postby arvin » 13 Sep 2017 20:18

Karthik S wrote:Any possibility Soryu deal can be sealed during Abe's visit now?


Saar its a tender like MRCA where all parameters will be evaluated for 6 contenders. Only RFI floated till now. Expecting babus to do summer trials in pokran, winter trails in Leh and rainy trials in cherrapunji.


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