Indian Military Helicopters

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Trikaal » 06 Oct 2018 23:38

ks_sachin wrote:Did you both read Hari Nair sirs post.

No I hadn't. Thanks! All is well then.

Indranil wrote:I was (and am) opposed to the Apache procurement for a similar reason.

Apache is different. We don't have an equivalent substitute in India at the moment. Besides, I think Apaches are being procured to be a part of the strike corps in the Cold Start Doctrine. There is a limitation on no. of men and machines that can be a part of such a corps so they would obviously want the best available and most survivable equipment there. No more from me on this since last time I defended the Apache I ended up with a ban :cry:

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby JayS » 07 Oct 2018 18:55

http://www.dgca.nic.in/Type_Acceptance/ ... C&TCDS.pdf

ALH Dhruv's Type certificate by DGCA. Some useful performance numbers there.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Indranil » 07 Oct 2018 19:28

So the civil version is certified with the TM 333, not Shakti.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Austin » 07 Oct 2018 19:30

IIRC Shakti was only for military use hot high performance demands

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Picklu » 09 Oct 2018 01:38

I wish the KA226 goes to Navy. They have twin engine for safety, higher volume cabin for lesser overall space requirement and swappable payload to tailor for SAR, utility, ASW etc.

The IA and IAF should go to LUH.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Rakesh » 12 Oct 2018 01:52

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Meet Sarangs, IAF’s synchrony masters of the skies
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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Rakesh » 16 Oct 2018 23:20

Indian Air Force to induct Chinooks soon: Big push for troop movement, disaster relief capabilities
https://www.financialexpress.com/defenc ... s/1350882/

Indian private sector company Dynamatics is manufacturing parts of the Chinook and the Tata-Boeing joint venture in Hyderabad is manufacturing the complete fuselage of the Apache.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Rakesh » 16 Oct 2018 23:22

Link below does not permit cut-and-paste.

IAF pilots start training to operate Chinook choppers
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 246416.cms

Currently, four pilots and four flight engineers have been training on Chinook choppers at Delaware in the US since Monday.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Gagan » 20 Oct 2018 02:52

Looks good!

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Rakesh » 23 Oct 2018 11:11

Link below has pictures. Please click to see them...

https://twitter.com/iaf_mcc/status/1054 ... 35520?s=21 —> Training for Future Inductions: IAF Aircrew commenced training on #Apache helicopters. The Boeing Apache is a twin-turbo shaft attack helicopter with tandem cockpit for 02 crew & a tail wheel-type landing gear arrangement. The helicopter will enhance combat capability of IAF.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby deejay » 23 Oct 2018 20:33

Rakesh wrote:Indian Air Force to induct Chinooks soon: Big push for troop movement, disaster relief capabilities
https://www.financialexpress.com/defenc ... s/1350882/

Indian private sector company Dynamatics is manufacturing parts of the Chinook and the Tata-Boeing joint venture in Hyderabad is manufacturing the complete fuselage of the Apache.

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Hello Admiral, thank you for the photos. Familiar faces.

Regards

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Singha » 23 Oct 2018 20:55

sinook looks like a ugly duckling but should prove useful for manpower insertion and ammo resupply. as a air ambulance can be useful as the Mi17.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Rishi_Tri » 24 Oct 2018 17:09

deejay wrote:
Rakesh wrote:Indian Air Force to induct Chinooks soon: Big push for troop movement, disaster relief capabilities
https://www.financialexpress.com/defenc ... s/1350882/

Indian private sector company Dynamatics is manufacturing parts of the Chinook and the Tata-Boeing joint venture in Hyderabad is manufacturing the complete fuselage of the Apache.

...


Hello Admiral, thank you for the photos. Familiar faces.

Regards


Can carry upto 300 troops.. :rotfl: I am sure troops shall be literally hanging outside .. Indian bus style .. :D

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby chola » 24 Oct 2018 17:20

Rishi_Tri wrote:
deejay wrote:
Hello Admiral, thank you for the photos. Familiar faces.

Regards


Can carry upto 300 troops.. :rotfl: I am sure troops shall be literally hanging outside .. Indian bus style .. :D



LOL. DDM. Chinook can carry 50 to 60 from the literature I’ve seen. That’s a LOT for a helo.

For 300, you need an large airliner like a Boeing 747.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Singha » 24 Oct 2018 18:11

I have been inside a chinook. there is no way it can cart 50 troops with battle gear ... maybe 50 people if packed like sardines with half of them standing up...... 25-30 is more like it.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby ArjunPandit » 24 Oct 2018 18:28

Dint it have an undersling net, I am sure it can adjust 20-30 soldiers in place of the artillery gun. If it can carry 50-60? Did Mi26 carry a regiment?

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby John » 24 Oct 2018 20:02

Perhaps all 15 can carry 300 + supplies.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby abhik » 24 Oct 2018 20:09

Chinook cabin width and height is similar to Mi-17, its a bit longer though (by ~50% ?).

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Postby Singha » 24 Oct 2018 21:01

ArjunPandit wrote:Dint it have an undersling net, I am sure it can adjust 20-30 soldiers in place of the artillery gun. If it can carry 50-60? Did Mi26 carry a regiment?


none carry soldiers underslung.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Singha » 24 Oct 2018 21:04

there are about 14 seats on each side. a few can sit on floor in dire need....so maybe 55 can cram in ...but normally 30.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Austin » 28 Oct 2018 15:51

should be a logical replacement for our fleet of Mi-8/17 if HAL IMRH does not make any headway and it hasent since a decade now.

Meet the Mi-38VeryVIP

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Kartik » 28 Oct 2018 23:47

We don’t have any Mi-8s anymore Austin. They were retired from service.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby souravB » 29 Oct 2018 00:40

IMO we shouldn't even be looking at something that we can/are building ourselves.
rather we should be looking at V-22 Osprey if we want to buy from outside in this category. Provides futureproofing and tactical advantages.
There was some news in 2015 and again on this year August that we are in talk with unkil to buy some for special forces and VVIPs. Boeing also has given technical presentation to Navy and CG long back. anybody's chaiwallah or panwallah has any update on that? or is it dead in the water?

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby manoj_niketa » 02 Nov 2018 01:04

Any News on LCH?

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Postby Rakesh » 06 Nov 2018 08:57

https://twitter.com/indiandefence11/sta ... 1812696064 ----> Indian Air Force Mi-35 "Hind-E" Attack Helicopter. It underwent the Israeli Mission 24 Upgrade Package which added a Helicopter Multi-mission Optronic Stabilised Payload (HMOSP) integrating the 9K114 Shturm-V and Self-defence equipment to the veteran gunship.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Kakarat » 09 Nov 2018 12:15

It always feels good to see Ministers use Dhruv as their transport

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby JTull » 09 Nov 2018 19:29

manoj_niketa wrote:Any News on LCH?


My guess is that lot of the news on various HAL projects is being held back for AI-19. We rarely hear about LCH, LUH, HTT-40 (exception on spin test today), IJT.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby VinodTK » 16 Nov 2018 06:08

India seeks to buy US helicopters worth Rs 13,500 crore
NEW DELHI: With the US waiver for India’s acquisition of the Russian S-400 Triumf missile systems hanging in the balance, New Delhi has kicked off the formal process for yet another mega defence deal with Washington as a sweetener for the Trump administration.

The NDA government on Thursday issued the “letter of request” to the US government for the Rs 13,500 crore acquisition of 24 naval multi-role MH-60 ‘Romeo’ helicopters, armed with torpedoes and missiles for potent anti-submarine warfare capabilities, said top sources.

The induction of these heavy-duty choppers in the 2020-2024 timeframe will come as a shot in the arm for the Indian Navy, whose warships are virtually bereft of such helicopters at a time when Chinese nuclear and diesel-electric submarines are making regular forays into the Indian Ocean Region.

The government-to-government deal for the MH-60 choppers, manufactured by Sikorsky-Lockheed Martin, under the US foreign military sales programme is likely to be inked within a year. The US has already notched military sales worth $17 billion to India since 2007, even overtaking Russia for three to four years during the last decade.

The FMS route is considered much swifter and cleaner than the cumbersome global tender process, which takes several years and is often derailed by allegations of corruption in India. India has brought most of its weapon systems from the US, like the C-17 Globemaster-III strategic airlifters, C-130J “Super Hercules” planes and M-777 ultralight howitzers, through FMS programme.

Acquisition of new multi-role helicopters has been pending for well over a decade, with the Navy identifying them along with submarines and minesweepers as the top three “critical operational necessities” for it. The 140-warship force has just about a dozen old Sea King and 10 Kamov-28 anti-submarine warfare helicopters.

The preliminary “acceptance of necessity” for the MH-60 choppers and the $1 billion acquisition of the American National Advanced Surface to Air Missile System-II (NASAMS-II), slated for deployment as a missile shield for New Delhi, was accorded by the Nirmala Sitharaman-led Defence Acquisitions Council just before the inaugural “two-plus-two” dialogue between India and the US here on September 6.

Both US defence secretary Jim Mattis and secretary of state Mike Pompeo have strongly argued India’s case for a “national security waiver” under CAATSA (Countering America’s Adversaries through Sanctions Act), which seeks to prevent countries from buying Russian weapons or Iranian oil, for its $5.43 billion S-400 missile deal.

But the final call still has to be taken by President Donald Trump, who will need a transactional quid pro quo in terms of a major Indian defence deal as well as India’s strategic commitment to progressively reduce its dependence on Russian weapon systems.

The US, of course, is in contention for more Indian defence deals. Washington, for instance, is aggressively hawking its F/A-18 or F-16 fighter production line for the IAF’s over $20 billion “Make in India” competition for 114 jets as well as the Navy’s quest for 57 carrier-capable fighters.

India and the US are also in advanced talks for 22 armed Predator-B or weaponised Sea Guardian drones. Then, after the first 24 multi-role helicopters, the Navy also has long-term “Make in India” projects for another 123 such choppers as well as 111 armed light utility choppers.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby ritesh » 16 Nov 2018 19:56

[quote="Kakarat"]It always feels good to see Ministers use Dhruv as their transport

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Those steps looks a bit overkill for the task.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby jaysimha » 20 Nov 2018 16:02

I think this was missed ( MBD-if-RP)
CASEVAC OF GERMAN NATIONAL FROM PINGDON LA
http://indianairforce.nic.in/content/casevac-german-national-pingdon-la
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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Pratyush » 20 Nov 2018 16:54

A nube question, when IAF flies rescue missions, who pays for the flights?

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Rakesh » 21 Nov 2018 03:36

I am sure the IAF only foots the bill. One of the roles the Armed Forces undertakes is humanitarian missions. CASEVAC will come under that.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby JTull » 21 Nov 2018 18:38

Rakesh wrote:I am sure the IAF only foots the bill. One of the roles the Armed Forces undertakes is humanitarian missions. CASEVAC will come under that.


All these tourists have travel insurance. Most countries now require it as part of visa process. They can be billed if IAF choose to.

If, for example, a desi birader is in Swiss/French Alps for skiing and something happens requiring him to be evacuated, then the local SAR service will bill his desi insurance.


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