Indian Military Helicopters

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby sankum » 13 Nov 2020 15:34

My estimate is LUH must be 30%cheaper than Ka226. It will and should get all 384 nos order of IA and IAF combined.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Vips » 13 Nov 2020 19:40

Not going to happen. One way or the other we have to pay Jiziya to the Russians to keep them happy even if their hardware is not 100% upto the mark.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Picklu » 14 Nov 2020 00:01

Vips wrote:Not going to happen. One way or the other we have to pay Jiziya to the Russians to keep them happy even if their hardware is not 100% upto the mark.


I prefer to pay the Jijiya for Akulas instead of Ka226.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby John » 14 Nov 2020 10:27

Picklu wrote:
Vips wrote:Not going to happen. One way or the other we have to pay Jiziya to the Russians to keep them happy even if their hardware is not 100% upto the mark.


I prefer to pay the Jijiya for Akulas instead of Ka226.

You don’t get to choose it is what russia pushes.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby arvin » 14 Nov 2020 10:42

KA 226 buy is pushing slogan Jai jawan, Jai kisan a little too far.
Russian items like Igla, AK 203, Mig 29, Akula were for battle field usage only.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby mody » 21 Nov 2020 14:04

Air Chief Marshal RKS Bhaduria has taken a ride in LCH prototype. The flight lasted about an hour.
A few days back, he had also flown as a co-pilot in the Apache.
The first IAF chief to fly in so many under development prototypes.

Hopefully will pave the way for orders for LCH being placed before the calender year end.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Prem Kumar » 21 Nov 2020 14:59

John wrote:You don’t get to choose it is what russia pushes.


In which case, whoever is doing the negotiations with the Russians (MEA, RM) and whoever is advising them is doing a lousy job.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby sankum » 23 Nov 2020 19:00

Anantha Krishnan M
@writetake
In this interview to Atul Chandra
@CheckSix_Bison
, HAL Heli CEO Anbuvelan says Dhruv civil variant will be ready by 2021. That's good news for all desi mil fan boyz & gals.

https://gbp.com.sg/stories/exclusive-in ... r-complex/

- 22 utility Dhruv delivered to IA
- 6 of 18 Rudra helos delivered to IA
- 10 of 32 Naval Dhruv order for IN and CG built

Remaining 34 Dhruvs to be built by 2022-23.

Future Orders
- 9 Dhruv likely for CG (Total fleet will go up to 28=3+16+9)
- More Dhruv likely for IN.
-20 more Dhruv likely order for IAF
-23 more Dhruv likely order for IA ( my estimate includes 6 nos replacement for crashed Dhruv cleared )

Till 111 nos NUH is finalized IN can continue ordering current version of Naval Dhruv to meet immediate requirements.

Present 66 nos Rudra fleet of IA with 12 nos more to be delivered.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Philip » 23 Nov 2020 20:17

As someone suggested,the DRDO and DPSUs after having developed desi milware,should allow the pvt. sector to licence build the products,not hog the whole cake for themselves. No secret that the often poor performing DPSUs do not want competition from the pvt. sector which would show them up. Look at L&Ts deliveries of small warships.On time.They are supplying key components for our SSBN programme. Tatas are building helo cabins for Sikorsky,etc.Their LTA ,the C-295 has yet to be sealed even after 4 years! They could easily manufacture the LCH ,LUH,whatever,but HAL wants to scoff the lot at its leisurely pace of production.Tell me , is there any country in the world where a president ( Putin) and PM ( Modi) formally sign an agreement to produce LUHs and AKs,etc. jointly ,delayed by babudom for around 4 years? The speed with which some deals from certain countries are rushed through show that the playing field isn't level.

The innovative lease idea is coming under flak from certain quarters because it resloves the non- performance by the DPSUs,is cheaper than an outright buy, easier on the purse,provides for IMMEDIATE or almost immediate capability in the hands of the forces, and is a G-to- G transaction.Middlemen kept out.The IN in particular favour the lease option because of huge delays in
warship,subs, decisions on MCMs,ASW helos,auxiliaries,etc. A favourable lease option to acquire dozens of LUHs and ASW helos to field on wsrships whose hrlo hangars are empty. The 10 yr. lease of the Akula/ Chakra has been a great success,with another Akula being modified for lease too. The 3 services could hugely benefit from leases at the current moment of crisis on the Sino- Pak border where we urgently require light tanks,AD SAMs, drones, aircraft,AWACS/AEW birds,tankers,subs ,MCMs, over 100+ helos ,auxiliaries, etc.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Rakesh » 23 Nov 2020 23:33

Exclusive Interview: S Anbuvelan, CEO HAL, Helicopter Complex
https://gbp.com.sg/stories/exclusive-in ... r-complex/
17 Nov 2020

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby sankum » 24 Nov 2020 00:29

52 nos likely more Dhruv order extends production to 2024-25 @ 24/year.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby sankum » 24 Nov 2020 19:49

https://verticalmag.com/news/indian-nav ... uv-mk-iii/

. nose-mounted surveillance radar with 270-degree coverage that can detect, classify and track multiple marine targets; it has synthetic-aperture radar, inverse synthetic-aperture radar, and moving target indication classification functions, including weather mode. There is also a multi-spectral electro-optic (EO) pod for reconnaissance, surveillance, target acquisition and range finding with stowable control grip on copilot side.

Only 6 nos of 16 Dhruv of IN is ASW version with dunking Sonar.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Aditya G » 25 Nov 2020 00:40

As it stands the latest Dhruv iteration is its most evolved one for marine environment.

In hindsight developing the product and associated service (PBL etc) with a less complex and demanding customer i.e ICG is the logical thing to do. Going further, why not get Pawan Hans and ONGC to operate these instead of the dauphins? There is plenty of requirement between just these customers, not to mention the likes to Reliance, MESCO and other private operators.

6 Dhruv in ASW role is a big bonus for IN in the space. The fleet operating out of Bombay or Gujarat will give PN planners plenty to consider.

sankum wrote:https://verticalmag.com/news/indian-navy-coast-guard-alh-dhruv-mk-iii/

. nose-mounted surveillance radar with 270-degree coverage that can detect, classify and track multiple marine targets; it has synthetic-aperture radar, inverse synthetic-aperture radar, and moving target indication classification functions, including weather mode. There is also a multi-spectral electro-optic (EO) pod for reconnaissance, surveillance, target acquisition and range finding with stowable control grip on copilot side.

Only 6 nos of 16 Dhruv of IN is ASW version with dunking Sonar.


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