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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Singha » 15 Feb 2017 08:32

Why are we buying 200 ka226 with luh flying?

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Neela » 15 Feb 2017 15:35

Singha wrote:Why are we buying 200 ka226 with luh flying?


Requirement was for 400 helis in this class.
The order was split between Ka-226 and LUH with 200 each.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby JayS » 15 Feb 2017 16:47

From HAL Media Q&A:

ALH - total orders 159, 136 delivered. Rest by 2017-18. 73 more are ordered.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Zynda » 15 Feb 2017 17:37

Does HAL have a plan for further improvements for Dhruv? I remember the original targeted weight was around 2250 Kgs. I don't think Dhruv will receive any major attention until IMRH is completed.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby JTull » 15 Feb 2017 18:59

DG of Army Aviation Corps has taken a ride in the LCH. Vishnu Som has flown on LCA.

Very pleased to see this effort to win hearts and minds of much wider audience. Hopefully, some of the media driven misinformation campaign get blunted.
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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Singha » 15 Feb 2017 19:07

Dhruv needs to be improved every 10 years. The uh1 ah1 mi17 ch47 alouette3 and sh60 have had very long and successful lives. With due upgrades we can keep producong it another 30 years...helicopters have not changed much in 50 years and the osprey and ah56 were duds as was notar. No great disrupting innovation.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Cybaru » 15 Feb 2017 20:37

I think the next round of improvement will be when the 1200kw engine starts testing on a real platform. It will also push the payload up by 15-20%.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby rohitvats » 15 Feb 2017 23:12

We've a huge helicopter requirement of every type. We're looking at largest helicopter fleet outside of USA. Army is looking at Khanish style aviation brigades for each Corps.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Indranil » 15 Feb 2017 23:37

Dil maange attack versions of LUH and IMRH.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby nachiket » 16 Feb 2017 00:25

Indranil wrote:Dil maange attack versions of LUH and IMRH.

Why are they needed, when we already have Rudra and LCH? Secondly, I can understand an attack version of LUH, but IMRH :shock: ? How is a 10-12 ton attack helicopter useful? Genuine question.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Indranil » 16 Feb 2017 00:31

I don't know. I am just trusting IAF/IA's judgment on the NEED of a heavy gunship like Apache :-)

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Zynda » 16 Feb 2017 00:33

ASW variant for the Navy. Mi-17 can carry rocket & gun pods on its stub wings. Similarly, Hellfires have been tried on UH-60 variants. Perhaps as a secondary or even occasional attack capability if not a primary function.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Kartik » 16 Feb 2017 01:14

HAL displays mockup of multirole helicopter


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The twin engine platform is in its preliminary design phase and two versions are planned in the transport configuration. The troop configuration will have a seating for 24, while the VIP transport version will seat 18 with a cabin volume of 23 cubic metres.

A HAL company representative told Jane's , "HAL intends to fast-track development of this platform and we plan to release an RFI for the 3,000-shp-class twin engines before July this year.
Initially it will be aimed at the Indian Air Force and even Indian Army requirements, while a naval variant is also planned."

The 12.5 tonne IMRH will have a service ceiling of 21,320 ft and a payload of 3,500 kg. The maximum speed for the platform is expected to be 230 km/h with a maximum range of 500 km - this will be extended to 800 km with external fuel tanks.


External fuel tanks, confirmation of a 3000 shp class engine and service ceiling of 21,320 feet.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby JTull » 16 Feb 2017 01:16

3000shp seems about right. i've been following the Pentagon's FVL competition and similar powerplants are in the running for Black Hawk replacement.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Indranil » 16 Feb 2017 03:15

I don't know what is it about LUH, but it has grown on me like a moss.

Image

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Neela » 16 Feb 2017 03:20

JTull wrote:3000shp seems about right. i've been following the Pentagon's FVL competition and similar powerplants are in the running for Black Hawk replacement.


There seems to very few of 3000shp class.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Cybaru » 16 Feb 2017 03:58

The contenders will possibly be
Safran: https://www.verticalmag.com/news/safran ... t-program/
PW: PW127 (used on mi38 to set a record of 2000kgs at 23Kft). That is also a heavier platform.
GE: CT7-8

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Khalsa » 16 Feb 2017 04:07

Indranil wrote:Dil maange attack versions of LUH and IMRH.


Why the IMRH chief ?
Would it not be too heavy ... I am thinking of the IMRH as an Mil17 category craft.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Khalsa » 16 Feb 2017 04:10

Indranil wrote:I don't know what is it about LUH, but it has grown on me like a moss.


Hopefully its about to go Viral

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Viv S » 16 Feb 2017 04:16

Khalsa wrote:
Indranil wrote:Dil maange attack versions of LUH and IMRH.


Why the IMRH chief ?
Would it not be too heavy ... I am thinking of the IMRH as an Mil17 category craft.

I think he means something like the Mi-24/Mi-35 (which was actually derived from the Mi-8/Mi-17).

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Cybaru » 16 Feb 2017 04:19

Indranil wrote:Dil maange attack versions of LUH and IMRH.


That would be like the Ah64 class of birds. If all the weapons will be same between LCH and MCH, what would it still bring something to the table? As far as I understand, AH64 allows different weapons to be used esp for SEAD work.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby RoyG » 16 Feb 2017 04:27

Indranil wrote:I don't know what is it about LUH, but it has grown on me like a moss.

Image

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Same. It's a beautiful helicopter. w/ ALH, LUH, and the Mi-17 class heli in development we should try to do better marketing and get some foreign customers.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Khalsa » 16 Feb 2017 04:34

Viv S wrote:
Khalsa wrote:
Why the IMRH chief ?
Would it not be too heavy ... I am thinking of the IMRH as an Mil17 category craft.

I think he means something like the Mi-24/Mi-35 (which was actually derived from the Mi-8/Mi-17).

Ah thanks ViV S.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Indranil » 16 Feb 2017 04:34

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby nirav » 16 Feb 2017 04:48

Indranil wrote:I don't know what is it about LUH, but it has grown on me like a moss.


The progress of LUH is going to cause a lot of takleef to our Russian "partners" wrt the Kamov deal. :D

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby shiv » 16 Feb 2017 09:01

Met deejay in person at Aero India. He pointed out something that I had not realized. There is a GI-normous mock up of the IMRH - but they have walled it off so no one can see it unless you negotiate all sorts of corners. This is a as bad as any marketing and publicity effort can get.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Prasad » 16 Feb 2017 13:45

Cabin entry is thronged by VIPs sir. Though access to get near was pretty free.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Singha » 16 Feb 2017 13:51

LUH has the potential to be our UH1 Huey - with 1000s of being built.

a production run of 750 for Dhruv and 1500 for LUH should permit us the headroom for some airborne brigades.

build and the roles will emerge.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Bharadwaj » 16 Feb 2017 16:04

If it looks right, it flies right.... I am suspecting once it enters service and starts showing its dhruv genes in the highlands, the kamov will be relegated to more menial tasks.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby rohitvats » 16 Feb 2017 16:35

The beauty of LUH is that from the looks of its main cabin, it offers at least 30% more room than Chetak. Compared to Cheetah, the volume of space available should be even higher.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby jayasimha » 16 Feb 2017 17:01

Print ReleasePrintXClose
Press Information Bureau
Government of India
Ministry of Defence
15-February-2017 18:18 IST
DG Army Aviation Flies the LCH


On 15 Feb 17, Lt Gen Kanwal Kumar, DG Army Aviation Corps flew the Light Combat Helicopter (LCH) at the Aero India 2017. The LCH is indigenously developed by the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) and will soon be inducted into the Indian Army. This combat helicopter is light, manoeuvrable and armed with devastating fire power. It has the capability to manoeuvre through narrow valleys, mountains and high altitude areas, providing effective support to ground operations. The LCH, armed with its turret mounted gun, rockets, air to air missiles and air to ground missiles is a potent force multiplier and shall greatly enhance the Indian Army's military capability.

Col Aman Anand
PRO (Army)

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby rohitvats » 16 Feb 2017 17:04

^^^IAF and IA are getting 10 and 5 numbers of LCH each from the pre-production lot.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Pratyush » 16 Feb 2017 17:12

Please select the missile quickly as well.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Indranil » 16 Feb 2017 22:39

I think the missile is chosen. They are just going through the formalities.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby PratikDas » 16 Feb 2017 23:01

Khalsa wrote:
Indranil wrote:I don't know what is it about LUH, but it has grown on me like a moss.


Hopefully its about to go Viral

:D

This is turning out to be an amazing Aero India. Kudos to the teams working hard to make it happen.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Kartik » 17 Feb 2017 03:27

Indranil wrote:Image


What a beautiful helicopter!

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Kartik » 17 Feb 2017 03:28



Enjoy ! :D

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Neela » 17 Feb 2017 04:12

The engine import continues to nag. (All rough numbers below)

ALH - 300 ( = 600 engines )
LCH - 200 ( = 400 )
LUH - 200 ( = 200 )

A neat 1000 engines all from Safran with each possibly having a life of 3-4000 hours(?)
At a sum of 500K(?) USD a piece , thats $500 million.
Plus operating costs etc - bringing it to at least $700 million :shock:

All these numbers would have stared at MoD years before. I wonder why they did not think it prudent to invest in this critical technology 10 years ago.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby srai » 17 Feb 2017 04:57

LCH Aerobatics AeroIndia 2017
https://youtu.be/2OiBrTDb2p4?t=452


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