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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby prashantsharma » 21 Mar 2018 19:33

does anyone have a clear pic of the inside of a Dhruv's cabin? and if so, please post or share a link.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Rakesh » 21 Mar 2018 23:40

if you google the above term in images, you will find it. Please do some groundwork and not expect others to do it for you.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby ArjunPandit » 21 Mar 2018 23:54

jaysimha wrote:Ministry of Defence18-March, 2018 16:25 IST

why nic baboons cannot publish their full names.
why they dont get full coverage/credit.............
No photos,,, nothing..
whereas we find 1000s of photos like these http://pib.nic.in/newsite/photoright.aspx?phid=123421

Not to support what they are doing, this could be delhi is too far off. However, in other countries, people like them are treated as heros. Remember the confetti march of McAurthur or the treatment of firefighters in society. It's all about priorities

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby ramana » 22 Mar 2018 00:12

I always wondered how the French became so good at helicopters as they didn't have much to offer by way of original thought to this area.
I read somewhere on a book on military aviation that a Polish-German engineer was employed by the French to continue his WWII research on adapting turbojet technology to helicopters.
By the early 1950s helicopters had reached a peak with the radial piston engines.
So this Polish engineer kind of designed the turboprop on to a vertical position and the helicopter turbo shaft engine was born.
The turbo shaft engine revived helicopters and gave them new life.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Szydlowski

He founded Turbomeca

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Khalsa » 22 Mar 2018 13:21

Setting the tone for the year
15 LCHs to be delivered to the two customers this year.

All are the LSP series.
Indian Army (5)
Indian Air Force (10)

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Singha » 22 Mar 2018 13:24

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Sikorsky

igor sikorsky - migrated to usa from russia in 1919 at age 30.

Seeing little opportunity for himself as an aircraft designer in war-torn Europe, and particularly Russia, ravaged by the October Revolution and Civil War, he immigrated to the United States, arriving in New York on March 30, 1919


^^ that has been one of the core memes how US has gained the cream of worlds intellectual crop in the past century.... take advantage of chaos elsewhere, and relative safety, prosperity and well funded system inhouse . with the additional advantage of being a gora and christian milieu for newbies from europe to settle in smoothly.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby deejay » 22 Mar 2018 19:18

An old video (year or 02 maybe more ago) from an airshow in Europe. Probably been posted before but felt like sharing again.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07rzl1Va2Mg


Do got to youtube and like the video. The video hardly has likes.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby JayS » 22 Mar 2018 19:31

^^ Done..!

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Postby ArjunPandit » 22 Mar 2018 20:18

Singha wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Sikorsky

igor sikorsky - migrated to usa from russia in 1919 at age 30.

Seeing little opportunity for himself as an aircraft designer in war-torn Europe, and particularly Russia, ravaged by the October Revolution and Civil War, he immigrated to the United States, arriving in New York on March 30, 1919


^^ that has been one of the core memes how US has gained the cream of worlds intellectual crop in the past century.... take advantage of chaos elsewhere, and relative safety, prosperity and well funded system inhouse . with the additional advantage of being a gora and christian milieu for newbies from europe to settle in smoothly.

Read somewhere, or saw it in some documentary that he escaped from enemy occupation by building a precursor to helicopter

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby prashantsharma » 22 Mar 2018 21:24

Rakesh wrote:if you google the above term in images, you will find it. Please do some groundwork and not expect others to do it for you.


Have done that, and thats why i asked. There are close to nil good views of its cargo hold on the internet.

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Postby Rakesh » 23 Mar 2018 00:12

I did that and I came across a number of images. Go to google, type HAL Dhruv interior and you will see the images.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby jaysimha » 28 Mar 2018 17:28

Ministry of Defence
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Posted On: 28 MAR 2018 3:38PM by PIB Delhi
Following manufacturing / overhaul projects of Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) are coming up in the country including Karnataka.

The foundation stone of a green field helicopter manufacturing facility has been laid by Hon’ble Prime Minister on 3rd January, 2016. The facility will function as an independent Division of HAL at Biderehalla Kaval, Gubbi Taluk, Tumakuru District, Karnataka. The Karnataka Government has allocated 610 acres of land for the project. The new facility of Tumakuru would be self-contained for production and maintenance of LUHs, with future expansion for production of other Helicopters. The cost of project to cover initial setting up of the facilities is expected to be around 2000 Crores.
Indo Russian Helicopter Pvt. Ltd. (IRHL) has been incorporated as Joint Venture (JV) cum subsidiary in May 2017 between HAL, Russian Helicopters and Rosoboronexport, with the objective to manufacture Ka-226T helicopters in India. The authorised capital of the JV is Rs.30 crores and paid up capital is Rs.10 crores. The JV has 50.5% shareholding by HAL, 42.5% by Russian Helicopters and 7% by Rosoboronexport. The facility for Ka-226T helicopters is proposed to be co-located at the helicopter manufacturing facilities coming up at Tumakuru.
Helicopter Engines MRO Pvt. Ltd. has been incorporated as Joint Venture in August 2016 between HAL and Safran Helicopter Engines, France with an objective to provide complete maintenance support for the Shakti and TM3332B2 engines fitted on Advanced Light Helicopters (ALH) produced by HAL and operated by Defence Services. The authorised capital of the JV is Rs.50 crores. The JV has 50% shareholding by HAL and 50% by Safran Helicopter Engines. The JV has planned to set up its facilities at Goa.


This information was given by Raksha Rajya Mantri Dr. Subhash Bhamre in a written reply to Shri C.S Putta Rajuin Lok Sabha today.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby shiv » 28 Mar 2018 19:54

jaysimha wrote: The facility for Ka-226T helicopters is proposed to be co-located at the helicopter manufacturing facilities coming up at Tumakuru.

Ah! A separate unit away from Blr for Russian stuff - as always.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby ramana » 29 Mar 2018 00:23

jaysimha wrote:Ministry of Defence
Defence Manufacturing Unit
Posted On: 28 MAR 2018 3:38PM by PIB Delhi
Following manufacturing / overhaul projects of Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) are coming up in the country including Karnataka.

The foundation stone of a green field helicopter manufacturing facility has been laid by Hon’ble Prime Minister on 3rd January, 2016. The facility will function as an independent Division of HAL at Biderehalla Kaval, Gubbi Taluk, Tumakuru District, Karnataka. The Karnataka Government has allocated 610 acres of land for the project. The new facility of Tumakuru would be self-contained for production and maintenance of LUHs, with future expansion for production of other Helicopters. The cost of project to cover initial setting up of the facilities is expected to be around 2000 Crores.


Indo Russian Helicopter Pvt. Ltd. (IRHL) has been incorporated as Joint Venture (JV) cum subsidiary in May 2017 between HAL, Russian Helicopters and Rosoboronexport, with the objective to manufacture Ka-226T helicopters in India. The authorised capital of the JV is Rs.30 crores and paid up capital is Rs.10 crores. The JV has 50.5% shareholding by HAL, 42.5% by Russian Helicopters and 7% by Rosoboronexport. The facility for Ka-226T helicopters is proposed to be co-located at the helicopter manufacturing facilities coming up at Tumakuru.


Helicopter Engines MRO Pvt. Ltd. has been incorporated as Joint Venture in August 2016 between HAL and Safran Helicopter Engines, France with an objective to provide complete maintenance support for the Shakti and TM3332B2 engines fitted on Advanced Light Helicopters (ALH) produced by HAL and operated by Defence Services. The authorised capital of the JV is Rs.50 crores. The JV has 50% shareholding by HAL and 50% by Safran Helicopter Engines. The JV has planned to set up its facilities at Goa.


This information was given by Raksha Rajya Mantri Dr. Subhash Bhamre in a written reply to Shri C.S Putta Rajuin Lok Sabha today.

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Quite a good update of the helicopters.
The Tumkuru facility start is now two years old . What's the progress?

Tejas Line 2 took about two years to get going.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby JayS » 29 Mar 2018 07:20

Work for Thumkuru plant jas started long time back. It was stuck due to idiotic obstacles by KA govt for quite a few years. Luckily KA226 deal went nowhere meanwhile.

FYI the plant is planned for 75/yr Heli production capacity as of now.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Philip » 29 Mar 2018 20:45

Hopefully NS's meeting in Moscow will see some deals being sealedfinally.You know it woulx be very illuminating to count how many major deals were sealed during BRF's history.Worth checking.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Vips » 29 Mar 2018 23:05

ramana wrote:
jaysimha wrote:Ministry of Defence
Defence Manufacturing Unit
Posted On: 28 MAR 2018 3:38PM by PIB Delhi
Following manufacturing / overhaul projects of Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) are coming up in the country including Karnataka.

The foundation stone of a green field helicopter manufacturing facility has been laid by Hon’ble Prime Minister on 3rd January, 2016. The facility will function as an independent Division of HAL at Biderehalla Kaval, Gubbi Taluk, Tumakuru District, Karnataka. The Karnataka Government has allocated 610 acres of land for the project. The new facility of Tumakuru would be self-contained for production and maintenance of LUHs, with future expansion for production of other Helicopters. The cost of project to cover initial setting up of the facilities is expected to be around 2000 Crores.


Indo Russian Helicopter Pvt. Ltd. (IRHL) has been incorporated as Joint Venture (JV) cum subsidiary in May 2017 between HAL, Russian Helicopters and Rosoboronexport, with the objective to manufacture Ka-226T helicopters in India. The authorised capital of the JV is Rs.30 crores and paid up capital is Rs.10 crores. The JV has 50.5% shareholding by HAL, 42.5% by Russian Helicopters and 7% by Rosoboronexport. The facility for Ka-226T helicopters is proposed to be co-located at the helicopter manufacturing facilities coming up at Tumakuru.


Helicopter Engines MRO Pvt. Ltd. has been incorporated as Joint Venture in August 2016 between HAL and Safran Helicopter Engines, France with an objective to provide complete maintenance support for the Shakti and TM3332B2 engines fitted on Advanced Light Helicopters (ALH) produced by HAL and operated by Defence Services. The authorised capital of the JV is Rs.50 crores. The JV has 50% shareholding by HAL and 50% by Safran Helicopter Engines. The JV has planned to set up its facilities at Goa.


This information was given by Raksha Rajya Mantri Dr. Subhash Bhamre in a written reply to Shri C.S Putta Rajuin Lok Sabha today.

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Quite a good update of the helicopters.
The Tumkuru facility start is now two years old . What's the progress?

Tejas Line 2 took about two years to get going.


The last update is from Sep 2017 when environmental clearance for the plant was given.This after the foundation stone was laid 21 months earlier by the PM. Doubt if actual construction work on the plant has even started till now :roll:

An Expert Appraisal Committee (EAC) of the Ministry of Environment, Forest and Climate Change has given clearance to the state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited’s Rs 6,300 crore chopper manufacturing plant at Bidarehalla Kaval in Tumakuru district of Karnataka. The factory will consist of manufacturing and assembling divisions supported by a runway and air traffic control, along with a township. Its capacity will be 75 helicopters a year. “The EAC, after detailed deliberations…recommended the project for grant of environmental clearance and stipulated…specific conditions along with other environmental conditions,” the committee said. “The HAL project…has been proposed to cater to the growing demand of helicopters. The project cost of the proposed plant would be to the tune of about Rs 6,300 crore and about Rs 16 crore is envisaged for environmental pollution control measures,” it said.

Since it is being set up on government land, there are no Rehabilitation and Resettlement issues. Initial manpower requirement will be over 100 and it will ultimately reach 4,000 when full production starts, the EAC noted. The factory will have four major divisions — Helicopter Division, Engine Division, Composites Division, Transmission Division — and a ground test centre.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi, on January 3, 2016, had unveiled the plaque of the foundation stone of the plant.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

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IMRH.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

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Naval Dhruv aboard vicky.
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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Philip » 15 Apr 2018 10:52

The desi MH has good potential for variants.In fact an AEW variant can be designed for ops from the two 45K t
VikA and Vikrant-2 instead of the smaller KA-31.Their lifts are too small to operate aircraft like Hawkeye, etc. and being larger would have better features like a larger radar, better endurance, etc.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

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Elbit COMPASS for Mi-17V5
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DIRCM for Mi-17V5 (most likely licensed Elbit MUSIC)
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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Austin » 15 Apr 2018 17:10

IMRH looks fantastic with good specs to match the beefy yet elegant looks hope they purse it in right earnest

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Kakarat » 21 Apr 2018 19:01

HAL Light Utility Helicopter (LUH) live demo at DefExpo18

https://twitter.com/kakarat2001/status/ ... 1114422273

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Indranil » 22 Apr 2018 07:55

I can see three changes:

1. The rotor guard has been changed.
2. The main rotor hub cap has been added.
3. Strakes have been added just behind the intake.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Pratyush » 22 Apr 2018 08:01

What is the published schedule for the serial production of the LUH.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby raghava » 22 Apr 2018 08:35

Kakarat wrote:HAL Light Utility Helicopter (LUH) live demo at DefExpo18

https://twitter.com/kakarat2001/status/ ... 1114422273



What's the rod type thing attached to the LUH ?

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Kartik » 22 Apr 2018 08:42

Pitot tube being extended as far away from the helicopter's fuselage.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Bharadwaj » 22 Apr 2018 18:54

The firangi outfits and their local chaps must be in deep pain seeing the LUH dancing around the skies. It must be noted that along with the Dhruv the LUH is almost totally sanctions proof.

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Postby Kakarat » 22 Apr 2018 20:02

Wallpaper version Image of Light Utility Helicopter (LUH)

https://twitter.com/kakarat2001/status/ ... 1903398913

Bigger version of this image
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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby prashantsharma » 22 Apr 2018 23:05

Progress (or lack of it) can be viewed in planet.com's satellite imagery, which is updated once a month. The free, low-res imagery is sufficient to see that nothing has come up.


Vips wrote:
ramana wrote:
Quite a good update of the helicopters.
The Tumkuru facility start is now two years old . What's the progress?

Tejas Line 2 took about two years to get going.


The last update is from Sep 2017 when environmental clearance for the plant was given.This after the foundation stone was laid 21 months earlier by the PM. Doubt if actual construction work on the plant has even started till now :roll:

An Expert Appraisal Committee (EAC) of the Ministry of Environment, Forest and Climate Change has given clearance to the state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited’s Rs 6,300 crore chopper manufacturing plant at Bidarehalla Kaval in Tumakuru district of Karnataka. The factory will consist of manufacturing and assembling divisions supported by a runway and air traffic control, along with a township. Its capacity will be 75 helicopters a year. “The EAC, after detailed deliberations…recommended the project for grant of environmental clearance and stipulated…specific conditions along with other environmental conditions,” the committee said. “The HAL project…has been proposed to cater to the growing demand of helicopters. The project cost of the proposed plant would be to the tune of about Rs 6,300 crore and about Rs 16 crore is envisaged for environmental pollution control measures,” it said.

Since it is being set up on government land, there are no Rehabilitation and Resettlement issues. Initial manpower requirement will be over 100 and it will ultimately reach 4,000 when full production starts, the EAC noted. The factory will have four major divisions — Helicopter Division, Engine Division, Composites Division, Transmission Division — and a ground test centre.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi, on January 3, 2016, had unveiled the plaque of the foundation stone of the plant.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby JTull » 24 Apr 2018 02:14

Bharadwaj wrote:The firangi outfits and their local chaps must be in deep pain seeing the LUH dancing around the skies. It must be noted that along with the Dhruv the LUH is almost totally sanctions proof.


Sanctions proof? You kidding? We still don't have MRO facilities for the engine.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Bharadwaj » 24 Apr 2018 02:33

JTull wrote:
Bharadwaj wrote:The firangi outfits and their local chaps must be in deep pain seeing the LUH dancing around the skies. It must be noted that along with the Dhruv the LUH is almost totally sanctions proof.


Sanctions proof? You kidding? We still don't have MRO facilities for the engine.


The JV for it is in place and at least the engine is not a direct import from the folks who are threatening crossfire on us in their anti Russian efforts-unlike the present Tejas motor.
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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Indranil » 24 Apr 2018 02:38

HTSE 1200 would soon rid us of one critical dependence. LUH's transmission is a desi design (although more conservative than ALH). ALH's transmission is truly world-class/beating. I am critical of may HAL divisions, but the heli-division is absolutely brilliant.

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Postby tsarkar » 24 Apr 2018 14:40

JTull wrote:
Bharadwaj wrote:The firangi outfits and their local chaps must be in deep pain seeing the LUH dancing around the skies. It must be noted that along with the Dhruv the LUH is almost totally sanctions proof.
Sanctions proof? You kidding? We still don't have MRO facilities for the engine.


MRO hubs are functional at Mamun (Punjab) and Missamari (Assam) co-located with the existing ALH squadrons to provide faster repair and maintenance support to ALH eet of Northern and Eastern Commands of Indian Army.

From http://hal-india.co.in/Common/Uploads/F ... nglish.pdf

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby JTull » 24 Apr 2018 15:11

@tsarkar
Those are Aircraft MRO hubs and do not include engines. The Engine MRO hub will be operational in Goa only by 2020. You only have to estimate how many Dhruv/Rudras, LUH and LCH will be operational by then to see the scale of the problem.

@Indranil
HTSE-1200 is atleast 5 years away from being fitted on any production aircraft. It first needs to fly, which may be couple of years away.

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Postby tsarkar » 24 Apr 2018 15:45

JTull wrote:@tsarkar Those are Aircraft MRO hubs and do not include engines. The Engine MRO hub will be operational in Goa only by 2020. You only have to estimate how many Dhruv/Rudras, LUH and LCH will be operational by then to see the scale of the problem.

And why would helicopters inducted a few years earlier with engine TBO 3000-6000 hours need overhaul before 2020?

http://www.deagel.com/Propulsion-System ... 26001.aspx
The Time Between Overhaul (TBO) ranges from 3,000 to 6,000 hours.


You mentioned LUH & LCH - will their engines need overhaul the day they enter service or some years down the line?

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby JTull » 24 Apr 2018 16:35

It will be naive to assume that none of the ALH engines have ever needed overhaul.

http://www.deagel.com/Propulsion-Systems/TM333-2B2_a001702001.aspx

300 TM333-2B2 have been produced. IOC was in 2001. Time Between Overhaul is 2000hrs.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby tsarkar » 24 Apr 2018 20:21

JTull wrote:300 TM333-2B2 have been produced.

You missed writing "until 2011" as mentioned in the link posted by you. Not all require overhaul. Obviously for smaller initial numbers, the overhaul is done at OEM. Needless to say, Dhruv is past that stage without any threat of sanctions.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby JayS » 24 Apr 2018 22:25

tsarkar wrote:
JTull wrote:@tsarkar Those are Aircraft MRO hubs and do not include engines. The Engine MRO hub will be operational in Goa only by 2020. You only have to estimate how many Dhruv/Rudras, LUH and LCH will be operational by then to see the scale of the problem.

And why would helicopters inducted a few years earlier with engine TBO 3000-6000 hours need overhaul before 2020?

http://www.deagel.com/Propulsion-System ... 26001.aspx
The Time Between Overhaul (TBO) ranges from 3,000 to 6,000 hours.


You mentioned LUH & LCH - will their engines need overhaul the day they enter service or some years down the line?


TBO numbers for ALH engines are way lower than that as of now.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Indranil » 25 Apr 2018 01:31

JTull wrote:@Indranil
HTSE-1200 is atleast 5 years away from being fitted on any production aircraft. It first needs to fly, which may be couple of years away.

Agreed. For a new team to come up with a new engine in 10 years would be a great achievement. And we are in first 5 years. So, I would be ecstatic if they can certify it within 5 years from now.

But, I am hearing good things on the development front now.


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