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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby abhik » 16 Feb 2019 21:10

Any update on HAL IMRH? Looks like they won't be showing a mockup this time?

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Kakarat » 17 Feb 2019 10:08

Tarmak Talking with Team LCH: All set for the big game

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Vips » 19 Feb 2019 22:26

Report from You Tube Defense channel that HAL is suspending/stopping work on IMRH due to financial crunch.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby JTull » 19 Feb 2019 23:45

Great video from Tarmak007.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Rakesh » 20 Feb 2019 04:10

Photograph of HAL LUH courtesy of Vayu Aerospace Review

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Rakesh » 20 Feb 2019 09:06

Vips wrote:Report from You Tube Defense channel that HAL is suspending/stopping work on IMRH due to financial crunch.

Are we sure on that Vips?

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7667&p=2322378#p2322378

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby abhik » 20 Feb 2019 10:18

^^^
I remember reading something to that effect in an article from a few months ago (*might* suspend work on IMRH and the 2 turbo engine programs if the fund situation did not improve much soon). Anyways that post says they are waiting for funding from services to move forward - ball is in the government's court.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Rishi_Tri » 20 Feb 2019 12:02

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Not the best quality pic - LUH literally goes vertical on coming in to land. LUH is perhaps story of Aero India 2019. Its almost ready. Perhaps the most maneuverable helicopter in India across all types. Forget Ka 226. LUH shall be ordered in 100s if HAL can manufacture it.

I also see LUH replacing Dhruv in Sarang Team given the maneuverability of this pocket rocket.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Khalsa » 20 Feb 2019 13:42

Kakarat wrote:Tarmak Talking with Team LCH: All set for the big game


This chap is amazing, his dedication , his attention to quality.
Kudos.

I am speaking about Tarmak ofcourse.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Manish_P » 21 Feb 2019 12:23

Eh?

Livefist reporting: India has suspended/postponed its requirement for 48 additional Mi-17-V5s, we are ready to discuss whenever India requires: Punchuk

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Kartik » 22 Feb 2019 07:38

From AW&ST

BENGALURU, India—India’s state-run military airframer Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. (HAL) is offering a naval variant of its Dhruv light helicopter in response to the Indian Navy’s requirement for 111 utility helicopters.

A mockup is on display at the ongoing AeroIndia 2019 show here.

HAL is pitching the navalized Dhruv to the defense ministry as a product already made in India. “We have already made investments to develop this program, and we would hope that the government would choose our platform for the Naval Utility Helicopters (NUH) requirement rather than relying on imports,” a HAL official said.

The Dhruv Naval Utility Helicopter (NUH) features a folding main rotor and tail boom so it can fit on warships. With the main rotor and tail boom folded, the aircraft is 13.5 m long, 3.5 m wide and 4.2 m tall.

The Dhruv NUH also can be fitted with torpedoes, depth charges and missiles. The helicopter will be powered by two Shakti 1H1 engines generating 1,032 kW of power each.

Dhruv has an internal payload of 1,200 kg (2,640 lb .) and an external payload of 1,500 kg. It can fly for up to 700 km. (435 mi.)

HAL has delivered more than 260 Dhruv helicopters, with the fleet having accumulated more than 200,000 flying hours.

On Feb. 12, India approved a navy proposal to buy 111 utility helicopters at a cost of more than $3 billion under a strategic partnership (SP) model. The navy wants a twin-engine, twin-seat NUH to replace the country’s aging fleet of Chetak helicopters.

To win, HAL will have to contend with U.S., European and Russian rivals working with Indian partners. So far, Airbus, Bell, Lockheed Martin and Kamov are in the fray.

The Indian government’s Defense Acquisition Council also has OK’d the purchase of 24 Naval Multi Role Helicopters (NMRHs) to boost the navy’s anti-submarine/anti-surface warfare and surveillance capabilities.

“The MRHs will be an integral part of the frontline warships like the aircraft carriers, destroyers, frigates and corvettes,” a navy spokesman said.
The navy uses NUHs for several purposes, including search-and-rescue operations, medical evacuation, communication duties, anti-piracy/anti-terrorism operations, humanitarian assistance, surveillance and targeting.

The navy in August issued a global request for information for the procurement of 111 utility and 123 multirole helicopters. For NMRH, the government is looking at a twin-engine helicopter with wheeled landing gear, dual flying controls and blade-fold capability weighing less than 12.5 tons.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Cybaru » 22 Feb 2019 07:46

Philip wrote:Observations on the desi helos at AI-12.


AI-12?????? Isn't that data useless??

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby hnair » 22 Feb 2019 07:52

Philip wrote:Observations on the desi helos at AI-12.

LCH a clear winner


How can LCH be a clear winner, when the rest of your post is a whiner?

That service gent who said "I hope we never get HELINA.Pathetic DRDO" must have been munching on Caspian sea caviar, while he said that. He witnessed one miss of what must be 100s of tests and decides a multi-crore program is a dud?

Philip, your post is too smart for its own good. Enjoy AeroIndia!

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby viveks » 22 Feb 2019 10:04

such a lovely interview. I would really like to thank Khalsa for posting it. Both the gentlemen were very forth-write. Its such an amazing feeling that they have been able to accomplish such feat. And its so in parallel with my experience as an engineer for western products.

Bare in mind the guys who test these things challenge the laws of physics...and only, there are few who do it as a profession and that there are a few who know boundaries of these and help you challenge your human ability to meet these challenges head on and live to tell the tale.

Great interview...if there had not been for collaboration between sane minded countries....there would not been the day that people with good minds could meet these challenges...really great interview.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Manish_P » 22 Feb 2019 11:38

Philip wrote:I asked him about the ATGM." I hope we never get HELINA.Pathetic DRDO.I was at a trial.Missed the target completely.It's delaying things."
"What about Spike ER ?" I asked."Yes it was being considered but Helina is affecting the same.


Could it just be that the delay is because the HeliNa is coming along nicely?

From the Indian missiles thread..

by Kakarat » 08 Feb 2019 13:35
https://twitter.com/writetake/status/10 ... 6100583424

DRDO testfires #Helina successfully. Another test likely today.
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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Philip » 22 Feb 2019 12:31

Well this was from the end-user, horses mouth gent part of the tests.You know the gestation time that the DRDO takes for any item.But it explains why there is no ARGM on the LCH.One successful test does not make a ]system.Min.no of mandatory tests, final production prototype, series production, etc.If the ATGM was doing well there would be much fanfare about it.]

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Manish_P » 22 Feb 2019 12:42

Philip wrote:One successful test does not make a system.


Nor does one failure mean that a system is pathetic

But i will rather wait for official sources to confirm - one way or the other

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby mody » 22 Feb 2019 14:42

Phillip did you catch the flying display of the LCH? Done by our very own Hari Nair sir. DD video of the same available on youtube.
Helina is coming along nicely and I hope clears all trials in the next couple of months. DRDO has given the target for end of March.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby gaurav.p » 22 Feb 2019 16:48

Good news coming from guys at HAL. What's in the suitcase ?

https://twitter.com/HALHQBLR/status/1098891103254638592 --> HAL hands over three ALHs to Indian Army ahead of schedule at ongoing Aero India.

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https://twitter.com/HALHQBLR/status/1098891664095997952 --> HAL signs MoU with CPWD for stage-2 works of new Helicopter factory in Tumakuru during ongoing Aero India 2019 in Bengaluru.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Sid » 22 Feb 2019 23:42

HAL Dhruv pilot explaining avionics to some customer, probably east Asian country (going by the accent).


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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby ashishvikas » 23 Feb 2019 00:39

gaurav.p wrote:HAL signs MoU with CPWD for stage-2 works of new Helicopter factory in Tumakuru during ongoing Aero India 2019 in Bengaluru

Sir, but i don't see any factory in the 2and picture. Where is it ?

Since long hearing Factory is coming in Tumakuru.. But what has moved on ground ?

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Rishi_Tri » 23 Feb 2019 00:51

Sid wrote:HAL Dhruv pilot explaining avionics to some customer, probably east Asian country (going by the accent).

Impressive. Full Glass Cockpit. Two questions though:

Why Google Earth for Maps? Doesn't it expose the Heli to worm attacks? Anyone who has access to Google Earth has access to Dhruvs. Wonder what are they using for LCH and Rudra. What about Indian sourced terrain maps?
Weather radar? Is it a Doppler radar?

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Rakesh » 23 Feb 2019 03:56

ashishvikas wrote:Since long hearing Factory is coming in Tumakuru.. But what has moved on ground ?

See that empty shell (just frame and roof) at the right hand corner of the photo. That might be the still-being-built factory.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Nishn » 23 Feb 2019 04:55

Please, please to the powers that be: Think futuristic and include enough space for a 8,000 ft. runway as well on this site.
It will help in future logistics as well as production of fixed wing platforms by the private sector.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby gaurav.p » 23 Feb 2019 11:47

ashishvikas wrote:Sir, but i don't see any factory in the 2and picture. Where is it?

Since long hearing Factory is coming in Tumakuru.. But what has moved on ground ?


I am no sir, just delivering the news :lol:

It seems that HAL is building the factory post scaling up of LUH. Also it is part of stage2, whatever that means. Hopefully there are no more stages for operationalising this factory. It is 600+ acre land that HAL is getting. So the left hangar and the unfinished roof structure on the right maybe part of stage1.

after some archive searching
2016 - modi lays foundation stone (expressed confidence that the plant would be up with the first helicopters produced there flying by 2018 :P )
2017 - MoU with CPWD
2019 - MoU with CPWD for stage-2

from the same link = HAL plans to deliver 187 LUHs to the Indian Army by the year 2022

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Singha » 23 Feb 2019 12:20

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Singha » 23 Feb 2019 12:22

for his own recording he seems to have clamped on a gopro on top right of first pic.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Singha » 23 Feb 2019 12:26

apache has a gigantic insectoid helmet too

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our seems to have a detachable exoskeleton where various things may be attached or removed while some "core" things are inside the inner helmet.
feels a bit more modular to me if you want to take offline and drop in replacements during a war.

pilot is carrying a rifle and torch...looks like we need to arrange it too a full survival csar kit.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby ashishvikas » 23 Feb 2019 12:36

gaurav.p wrote:
ashishvikas wrote:Sir, but i don't see any factory in the 2and picture. Where is it?

Since long hearing Factory is coming in Tumakuru.. But what has moved on ground ?


I am no sir, just delivering the news :lol:

It seems that HAL is building the factory post scaling up of LUH. Also it is part of stage2, whatever that means. Hopefully there are no more stages for operationalising this factory. It is 600+ acre land that HAL is getting. So the left hangar and the unfinished roof structure on the right maybe part of stage1.

after some archive searching
2016 - modi lays foundation stone (expressed confidence that the plant would be up with the first helicopters produced there flying by 2018 :P )
2017 - MoU with CPWD
2019 - MoU with CPWD for stage-2

from the same link = HAL plans to deliver 187 LUHs to the Indian Army by the year 2022


Those over estimated delivery dates makes me furious.. If in last 3 year this much of work have been completed, god knows if in next 3 year it can start production.

HAL plans to deliver 187 LUHs to the Indian Army by the year 2022

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Bart S » 23 Feb 2019 14:08

Singha wrote:Image


What is that crudely assembled 'FTC..' box with the hand written lettering? Kind of leaves a jarring note in the midst of the rest of the modern cockpit

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Singha » 23 Feb 2019 14:24

maybe some device used in test flights. looks like a bolt on that will get deleted later.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Karan M » 23 Feb 2019 14:28

hnair wrote:Philip, your post is too smart for its own good. Enjoy AeroIndia!


Obvious troll is obvious and our man is trying a bit too hard.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby nam » 23 Feb 2019 14:33

Some sort of flight recorded. It has Rec : On /Off and a button for event recording.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby jaysimha » 23 Feb 2019 14:36

Mr. GVS Bhaskar, CEO (Helicopter Complex) HAL speaking during Aero India 2019

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01zD8ozH9P8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnP21IisvjU

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Philip » 23 Feb 2019 21:19

The gentt representing a particular service1The main task of the LCH, taking out enemy armour is at the moment missing.He is well-versed with Helina , at trials was mightily pissed off with the DRDO.His epithet was " pathetic".Delays due to DRDO tall talk.Spike was considered earlier- appeared incompatible but the latest version is.Gives good marks to the Apache despite Afg. troubles.

Naval LUH.From some media reports, only basic ASW capability is reqd. for the LUH, not dedicated ASW.The KA-226T has a good chance according to some analysts as it is twin-engined and being made for the IA.A larger multi-role bird will replace Sea Kings and KA-28s, the latter all being upgraded. The Dhruv naval prototype with folding tail and rotor, while not classic in design, gives an opportunity for some smaller warships to carry it.
Models of latest futuristic birds on display at sev. pavilions.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby John » 23 Feb 2019 21:35

^ Why can't hellfire be utilized till Helina comes into picture.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Singha » 24 Feb 2019 04:37

Because that would be too simple and logical

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Philip » 24 Feb 2019 06:24

PS: The Dhruv with folding tail and rotors could've had the cabin configured for the ASW/ ASuW role.Big opportunity missed. An ASW console for a 3rd. crew member, plus sonobuoy dispenser, two LWTs, and other external sensor eqpt. pods, dunking sonar,etc. could've been added. There was a desi dunking sonar displayed at one stall.For its size, such a versatile naval med. helo would have a lot of export potential especially when deployed on corvette-sized and light frigate warships

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Neshant » 24 Feb 2019 07:57

Great information on the LCH from designers itself.

Please visit the youtube link and give it a thumbs up. :!:

LCH is going to be an export success.



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