Indian Military Helicopters

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby souravB » 15 Sep 2019 23:37

^^Thanks Raghu for the answers.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Raghunathgb » 21 Sep 2019 09:31

One question, Has LCH been tested with electronic war suite(RWR, MAWS etc ). If not wouldn't it entail airframe modifications?Would that affect the current LSP which are in production ?

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Bala Vignesh » 22 Sep 2019 00:22

Cross post from the IN ASW and AEW thread.

sankum wrote:https://hal-india.co.in/HAL%20Delivers%20Ch/ND__265

These helicopters are used by Navy for communication duties (Passenger transport), Cargo/ Material transport, Casualty evacuation, Search & Rescue, Areal survey & Patrolling, Emergency medical services, electronic news gathering, Anti hijacking, Off shore operation and Under-slung operation.


It seems the 8 new built chetak are only for utility role and not the Match variant for ASW role.


Wasn't there a report saying that HAL did not have sufficient blades to service the existing Cheetah and Chetak fleets? If that is correct how do they plan on managing these new deliveries to IN?
If not would that mean the exist AOG fleet will be made airworthy again?

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby raghuk » 22 Sep 2019 15:07

Bala Vignesh wrote:Cross post from the IN ASW and AEW thread.

sankum wrote:https://hal-india.co.in/HAL%20Delivers%20Ch/ND__265



It seems the 8 new built chetak are only for utility role and not the Match variant for ASW role.


Wasn't there a report saying that HAL did not have sufficient blades to service the existing Cheetah and Chetak fleets? If that is correct how do they plan on managing these new deliveries to IN?
If not would that mean the exist AOG fleet will be made airworthy again?

Blades issue was an old one and even then it was only for the cheetah/cheetah never the chetak. And the chetak was never meant for ASW or ASuW missions. A 2 Ton heli can only do so much.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby VinodTK » 27 Sep 2019 06:20



Security Scan - HAL's Light Utility Helicopter

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Rakesh » 28 Sep 2019 01:57

Why is that title necessary?

Will 2 more deaths jolt the lumbering Indo-Russian JV for new light copters?
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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Cybaru » 28 Sep 2019 05:36

Hope that JV goes just like MTA

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Atmavik » 28 Sep 2019 08:01

VinodTK wrote:Security Scan - HAL's Light Utility Helicopter

guys this is a must watch. a few points that struck me.

1. guests(a Lt Gen and AVM) are praising HAL for speed and initiative.(they are happy that they cannot criticize or blame hal :D )
2. army and air force teams are embedded with hal for the last 15 yrs. this is a lesson learned from navy.
3. very few changes or mods are requested. design is frozen
4. can be lightly armed for recce role.
5. cemlica has certified for military and civil role.
6. military industrial eco system has improved and helped with speed.
7. future requirement is 2000+
8. ALH Dhruv is world class.

congrats to the rotary wing of HAL. you guys are rock stars!!!

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Bala Vignesh » 30 Sep 2019 13:08

raghuk wrote:Blades issue was an old one and even then it was only for the cheetah/cheetah never the chetak. And the chetak was never meant for ASW or ASuW missions. A 2 Ton heli can only do so much.

The blades for Cheetah and Chetak are different? I thought they were the same design?



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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Aditya_V » 06 Oct 2019 12:29

IAF is overhauling its 3 Mi26,s good decision. Mi26 and CH47 can complement each other

https://theprint.in/defence/iaf-mi-26-choppers-to-russia-overhaul/300936/

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby sajaym » 06 Oct 2019 16:12

+101

Once these 3 'feather weights' are back in action they should be used ASAP to complete the all pending road/rail network related works in the NE. That's what they do best. I do hope we also get a full mission simulator as part of the upgrade package, so that there is no shortage of pilots for these choppers. Why do I feel that one of these babies can swallow up a K-9 howitzer whole? Would be pretty useful to drop in a K-9 real quick at some chokepoint.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby chola » 06 Oct 2019 16:47

Atmavik wrote:
VinodTK wrote:Security Scan - HAL's Light Utility Helicopter

guys this is a must watch. a few points that struck me.

1. guests(a Lt Gen and AVM) are praising HAL for speed and initiative.(they are happy that they cannot criticize or blame hal :D )
2. army and air force teams are embedded with hal for the last 15 yrs. this is a lesson learned from navy.
3. very few changes or mods are requested. design is frozen
4. can be lightly armed for recce role.
5. cemlica has certified for military and civil role.
6. military industrial eco system has improved and helped with speed.
7. future requirement is 2000+
8. ALH Dhruv is world class.

congrats to the rotary wing of HAL. you guys are rock stars!!!


Rock stars indeed! Perhaps of the whole MIC establishment (if we leave out ISRO as more of a civilian endeavor.)

The future requirement of 2000 should be more than enough to sustain the local industry.

BUT the key is getting the $3.5B NUH contract against Sikorsky and Kamov. We just signed a $2.6B contract for 24 SeaHawks. Those large amounts must be spent when there is a local alternative but that can never be taken for granted in India. The requirements are there but so is the phoren lobby.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Bart S » 06 Oct 2019 21:22

sajaym wrote:
Why do I feel that one of these babies can swallow up a K-9 howitzer whole? Would be pretty useful to drop in a K-9 real quick at some chokepoint.


You do realise that a K9 (if you are referring to the Korean howitzer produced by L&T under TOT, aka shameless screwdrivergiri) weighs 47 tons, right? :roll:

Unless you are referring to a dog, in which case it can indeed swallow many of them :rotfl:

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby MeshaVishwas » 08 Oct 2019 15:25

Very, very interesting roles.
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And she has a much greater range(>30%) than the TVS Apache Echo.
Edit:FYI, DEAD is Destruction of Enemy Air Defences
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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby JayS » 08 Oct 2019 17:11

^^ Is there a typo in the name..? MK-1V instead of MK-IV..??

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby Bala Vignesh » 08 Oct 2019 22:15

Looks like it, they must've got confused with MI-171V

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby John » 09 Oct 2019 00:00

^ Try not to overcomplicate it they just used "1" instead "I". :D

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby ramana » 09 Oct 2019 21:44

Aditya_V wrote:IAF is overhauling its 3 Mi26,s good decision. Mi26 and CH47 can complement each other

https://theprint.in/defence/iaf-mi-26-choppers-to-russia-overhaul/300936/



Finally. Would be silly to not do so and lose such heavy lift capability.

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Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Postby chola » 17 Oct 2019 11:31

The Z-20 should be a kick in the pants to develop and support more local capacity by giving that big 123-helo NMRH contract to HAL's globally competitive rotors division.

But I fear it will instead be used as an excuse to "urgently" buy phoren or force HAL into yet another phoren partnered screwdrivergiri.

We can't afford 123 Seahawks or equivalents anyways so there is nothing wrong with a Dhruv solution for the 123 supplemented by the 23 high end imported MH-60R.

https://m.economictimes.com/news/defence/ins-multi-role-chopper-project-assumes-urgency-after-china-displays-z-20/amp_articleshow/71608656.cms

INS multi-role chopper project assumes urgency, after China displays Z-20

India will need to speed up the process to acquire Naval Multi-Role Helicopters for its Navy to deal with security challenges in the Indian Ocean Region, especially since China displayed its indigenously developed Z-20 choppers earlier this October.

By IANS | Oct 16, 2019, 10.42 AM IST

NEW DELHI: Indian Navy's bid to acquire state-of-the-art Naval Multi-Role Helicopters (NMRH), to deal with security challenges in the Indian Ocean Region, has assumed urgency after China displayed its indigenously developed Z-20 choppers earlier this October.

...

Sources said the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) is conducting an internally funded study for the NMRH, a project which is still on the drawing board. In August 2017, the Indian Navy had floated a global Request for Information (RFI) for 123 Naval Multi-Role Helicopters. But a deal is yet to be closed despite the shortfall in numbers. A multi-billion dollar deal is further in process to procure 23 multi-role MH-60R Seahawk choppers, which are produced by Sikorsky Aircraft Corporation of the US.

"But 23 choppers will not suffice for the needs of the Indian Navy. It was decided that the 123 NMRH will be developed in India under the strategic partnership model. If import has to be ruled out, the strategic partner, that is, the original equipment manufacturer has to be identified first. The urgency of acquiring the NMRH should not be lost in the corridors of the defence ministry," said a former Navy official on the condition of anonymity.



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