Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

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Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Postby member_28108 » 10 Jan 2015 21:02

deejay wrote:
chackojoseph wrote:Eklavya,

Good logic. You are the first person in the forum to give a good argument.


Oh boy! now we go again. Chacko ji, you would have saved all a lot of trouble if you had read this thread properly. Eklavya ji had posted this idea on page 2 of this thread, before you started out on the thread.

eklavya wrote:This was an attempt to infiltrate terrorists into India. If it were just smugglers they would have thrown their maal overboard at the first sign of trouble. The fact that they were trying to run away means the people on board had a mortal fear of being caught and questioned. Definitely an ISI operation. Praveen Swami and his ilk are just disgusting useless journalists.


If you liked his logic now, I am sure you would have liked it then.


I think this is what everyone was screaming at the top of their heads. Now he says that this was a "first good argument"

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Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Postby Victor » 10 Jan 2015 21:15

Some clarity finally.

Ridiculing national security
The political rhetoric and drama that followed the recent episode of a Pakistani boat that was chased inside India waters, intercepted, chased and blew itself up would have put any country to shame.…

......But how is it that some political leaders are prepared to look askance at national security? The explanation is actually pretty simple. Many so called political leaders in India have used / are using havala for illegal transactions of incredible amounts of money and havala is operated exclusively by Dawood Ibrahim’s ‘D Company’, Dawood himself being a franchisee of the ISI. So, all these transaction details are available to the ISI for blackmailing these fellows.

Only in India. Anywhere else this scum would have been hung from the nearest lamp post. :evil:

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Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Postby d_berwal » 10 Jan 2015 21:20

@ prasannasimha

see the tactical approach taken by this desh-dhroi.......

desh-dhroi is agreeing after xx days to 80% of logical argument put forth to him (after delaying .... delaying for a tactical reason ... reason is ___ so tactically a said enemy of ours does not suffer on tactical front)

I will dowel into strategic argument later on.

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Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Postby member_28108 » 10 Jan 2015 21:24

d_berwal wrote:@ prasannasimha

see the tactical approach taken by this desh-dhroi.......

desh-dhroi is agreeing after xx days to 80% of logical argument put forth to him (after delaying .... delaying for a tactical reason ... reason is ___ so tactically a said enemy of ours does not suffer on tactical front)

I will dowel into strategic argument later on.


The term 5th column is there for a reason.

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Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Postby arshyam » 10 Jan 2015 21:33

Let's discuss how coastal security has changed recently and what needs to be done for further improvements. Posting Saurav Jha's take on CSN improvements of late. As usual, lots of info, posting some snippets:

NRao sir, hopefully this might answer some of your questions reg. data fusion, etc.?

Terror boat incident brings India's post-Mumbai Coastal Security Network into focus

The feasibility study led by the ICG came up with a plan to implement CSN in two phases. Under Phase-I of the network, static sensors would be put up at 46 different locations along the Indian coast, with 36 on the mainland, 6 in the Lakshadweep & Minicoy Islands and 4 in the Andaman & Nicobar Islands. Phase-I, which is now complete, has been tailored to provide surveillance around areas of high sensitivity and traffic density along India's coast line. Near gap free real­time surveillance covering up to 25 nautical miles from the Indian coastline would however be achieved only with Phase-II, when 38 additional remote radar sites would be established as part of the CSN and these would be further complemented by some 8 mobile surveillance units.

As such, the project involves the setting up of frequency diversity radar, electro-optical sensors including CCD day cameras, low light television (LLTV) and thermal imagers, VHF sets and meteorological equipment on lighthouses and masts erected on DGLL land at up to 84 locations under both phases. The data generated by various static sensors would flow over a robust hierarchical network architecture, connecting ICG District Headquarters and Regional Headquarters to Coast Guard Headquarters in New Delhi.


Now despite CSN plugging into NAIS and various VTMS sites at ports along the Indian coastline there is concern that it would be able to identify only boats above a certain size. After all more than 2,00,000 small fishing boats operate from our coasts and several of these do not carry any kind of transponder whatsoever that would have otherwise plugged them in with the NAIS, CSN or VTMS. Indeed, it was just such a boat (typically less than 20-25 metres in length) that was used in the suspected terror attempt off the coast of Porbandar. The Mumbai 2008 attackers too came in such a boat.

So even if detected, final identification of friend from foe becomes a major issue for coastal security agencies when tracking very small vessels devoid of transformers. This is one of the reasons why the ICGS Rajratan was sent to physically tag the suspected Pakistani terror boat and investigate it.

It seems that at the moment the ICG and DGLL are also testing at least three different technologies for tagging and monitoring these kinds of small fishing boats. One of the technologies being trialled could involve the widespread use of radio frequency identification devices.


These vessels therefore represent a very complex asymmetric challenge for the defenders. They are made using easily available materials in workshops often in remote and forested locations. Yet they increase the costs of defending disproportionately. It is perhaps time that all concerned stakeholders start brainstorming on ways to defeat such threats before they manifest themselves. Besides refashioning deployment procedures perhaps using new modelling methods, attention will have to be given to garnering enough intelligence about networks that might be involved in the construction of such vessels, in order to neutralize the supply chain and expertise as it were.


Indeed regardless of the technology augmentation that the ICG's CSN represents, at the end of the day, given the sheer numbers of vessels that need to be tracked and the length of our coastline the role of intelligence cannot be highlighted enough. An extension of this would suggest that cultivating fishermen via outreach programs and making them an integral part of the CSN is imperative as is the need for multiple agencies to bury petty differences and share information in an actionable manner. Ultimately the real 'soft upgrades' in the security domain lie in getting the social network right as it were. The foiled terror boat attack shows that things may indeed be moving in the right direction for India on this front.
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Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Postby pankajs » 10 Jan 2015 21:37

It is a very smart strategy as far as US/PakMil/ISI is concerned. It also plays right into their strategy to weaken our *national* resolve or at least make us indecisive and prevent a cohesive *national* response.

Use a section of Indian against another section exploiting the ideological differences because a section of Indians willingly put ideology ahead of the country. BJP never allowed its ideological differences with CON to come way of the defense of our country. The CON and the assorted C-system beneficiary are however willingly lending their shoulder to the Pak/US propaganda just to spite the BJP government.

Our biggest enemy is in our midst.
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Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Postby member_28108 » 10 Jan 2015 21:40

Seeing how such people behave it seems dangerous to allow these people on board our defense infrastructure.

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Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Postby Gus » 10 Jan 2015 21:41

Haha RamSuresh you anmol'd him.

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Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Postby SwamyG » 10 Jan 2015 21:41

Rama killed Valli. There were SOPs for the way Kstriyas could wage war. Yet, Rama killed Valli the way he did. It served a righteous purpose. One could argue the technicalities if Valli was evil or just a good king gone rogue. It is all good discussions over chai and samosas. The killing was righteous enough that even Angada joined Rama's army to defeat Ravana. Arjuna killed Karna. The same SOPs bound Arjuna. Yet he did what he did. One could argue was Karna evil, was he noble was he a better archer than Arjuna, was he victimized ityadi. He was on the side that is considered the 'wrong' side. And Krishna + Arjuna did what they had to do.

Big deal if they were Pakistani smugglers or terrorists. If they were Pakistani fishermen or other innocents from Pakistan, then there is at least a case. Else CG + IN should hurdle conduct a post-mortem, either pat themselves on the back or use post-mortem feedback to improve and move on.

Rest is maya onlee.
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Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Postby Gus » 10 Jan 2015 21:55

Swamyg (iPhone autocorrects your name to Seamus lol) - check RamSuresh post in last page. This is nothing but khujli and agenda against communals.

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Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Postby SwamyG » 10 Jan 2015 22:21

ldev wrote:Finally, in the worst case scenario (as is implied by some journalists) if this whole incident was a staged operation, with a dummy boat with nobody on board and the PIB release was simply designed to burnish the national security credentials of the Modi Government, it will not be the first time that Governments around the world do such things and will not be the last time either. Either way, it sends a message to Pakistan, that from now on, India will not take prisoners. If indeed this operation was supervised by Ajit Doval, he is actually practicing his offensive-defensive strategy and sending a very clear message to Pakistan.

Think about it this way. The boat was captured, and the men are now 'singing' in the deep dungeons of an unknown place in India. In the cat-mouse game of espionage, sometimes an overt message needs to be sent. Perception matter. So the captured boat is taken to the seas, and doused with some cheap kerosene bought using Aadhar cards from a local ration shop. Then matches from Sivakasi is used to light up the boat and send a message. All the eggsperts are used to explosives, IEDs, diesel, petro and ityadi flames. They are confused by this glow which is kerosene + palmoil + dirty water from coovum. This potent fuel does not burn the way one would expect.

To me this is clearly a case of India 1. Pakistan 0. War and politics are dirty, and one expects a government to fully indulge in 'dirt' against enemies. It becomes a problem only if the government engages in dirty business with its own citizens. Since these were not citizens of India, India has the moral right to indulge in a kind of warfare that best suits its immediate and long term interests.

Sometimes when one thinks about India bungling, it could be staged too you know :rotfl: If we arm chair spies, soldiers and strategists could think of so many angles; I expect trained professionals to be miles ahead of us. Sure they will blunder.

Rama killed Ravana and returned to Ayodhya. We celebrate Deepavalli. Aam kao aur gutli fekh do yar. I hope one does not need step by step instructions to eat an mango onlee: http://www.livestrong.com/article/48193 ... ango-seed/

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Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Postby sunilUpa » 10 Jan 2015 22:34

prasannasimha wrote:
d_berwal wrote:@ prasannasimha

see the tactical approach taken by this desh-dhroi.......

desh-dhroi is agreeing after xx days to 80% of logical argument put forth to him (after delaying .... delaying for a tactical reason ... reason is ___ so tactically a said enemy of ours does not suffer on tactical front)

I will dowel into strategic argument later on.


The term 5th column is there for a reason.

+1...5th columnists are Desh Drohis....aka traitors. It's good that these worms are coming out....

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Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Postby Prem » 11 Jan 2015 00:27

RamSuresh wrote:Mr Chacko
I came across this post of yours in your facebook page. Did you really mean this statement?
"I am sure the hotel will deny it. Who will want food served in utensils washed by her? Or she is faking it."


From this simply superb stupid secularisticly smelling statement through sinus on Smriti. Now we know from where this antagonism and hatred come from.

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Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Postby sanjaykumar » 11 Jan 2015 00:30

Let`s give it a rest. There is no point in flogging a dead donkey.

Hopefully not all of his ilk are so bitter.

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Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Postby SwamyG » 11 Jan 2015 00:33

Gus wrote:Swamyg (iPhone autocorrects your name to Seamus lol) - check RamSuresh post in last page. This is nothing but khujli and agenda against communals.

Ciru nunalum than vayal kedum :rotfl:

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Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Postby SaiK » 11 Jan 2015 00:34

SwamyG wrote:Rama killed Valli. There were SOPs for the way Kstriyas could wage war. Yet, Rama killed Valli the way he did. It served a righteous purpose. One could argue the technicalities if Valli was evil or just a good king gone rogue. It is all good discussions over chai and samosas. The killing was righteous enough that even Angada joined Rama's army to defeat Ravana. Arjuna killed Karna. The same SOPs bound Arjuna. Yet he did what he did. One could argue was Karna evil, was he noble was he a better archer than Arjuna, was he victimized ityadi. He was on the side that is considered the 'wrong' side. And Krishna + Arjuna did what they had to do.

Big deal if they were Pakistani smugglers or terrorists. If they were Pakistani fishermen or other innocents from Pakistan, then there is at least a case. Else CG + IN should hurdle conduct a post-mortem, either pat themselves on the back or use post-mortem feedback to improve and move on.

Rest is maya onlee.


concern here is not karna on the wrong side nor dhuryodanite pakis. the maya point is pakistan has become india, and india become pakistan for these media vibishans.

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Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Postby ramana » 11 Jan 2015 03:02

Jhujar wrote:‘Terror boat’ owner Imam Bheel main operative of ISI in Balochistan, Gulf waters
http://www.thenewsminute.com/worlds/992
nbeknownst to the rest of the world, the“terror boat” incident in the waters of the Arabian Sea appears to have left at least one provincial government in southwestern Pakistan quite nervous.
The reason is the boat reportedly belonged to fugitive drug kingpin and suspected operative of the Inter Services Intelligence Imam Bheel, who is suspected to be the chief financier of the ruling National Party. “It was indeed loaded with the second line of merchandise dealt by him,” a senior official in Quetta, who works for an international agency said Tuesday from Quetta, capital of Balochistan, explaining that by the second line of merchandise he meant “scotch whiskey.” Bheel is a multibillionaire heroin smuggler, who was declared drug kingpin by president Obama in July 2009. Baloch nationalists accuse Bheel of working closely with the Inter Services Intelligence.
The Indian government official in media reports said the four people on the boat blew the vessel in mid-sea, 350 kms southwest of Porbandar, as Indian security forces closed on the boat. However, the Quetta official said that that the cause of the explosion appears firing either by the panicked officials or smugglers appear to have exploded the vessel. “Try firing a shot on 800 bottles of scotch. Fireworks!!,” he said,A report in the Indian Express first reported the vessel belonged to Imam Bheel, aka Mohammed Hayat aka Mir Yaqub Bizenjo, who was declared a drug kingpin by who was inducted in the National Party, the ruling party in Balochistan coalition government the
following year.Balochistan has a long 700-km coastline and Imam Bheel is known as the master of the Arabian Gulf waters. “The whole coastal area from Jiwani to Gwadar that includes the small towns of Pishukan, Pasni, Kalmat, Ormara is under the control of Imam Bheel,” a local Baloch journalist who is well aware of the goings on the waters across the Balochistan coast told this correspondent Monday, on condition he was not named. “Even in the Mumbai attacks of 26/11, Imam Bheel appears to have played a role in providinglogistical support,” the Baloch source said.

The report said President Barack Obama, ranks Bheel alongside drug lords from Venezuela, Colombia and Mexico. Another investigative report in Pakistan’s The News International said, Bheel “is considered more influential than any political party and mightier than any intelligence agency.” Imam Bheel had allegedly shot dead a senior official of Gwadar in front of his bungalow in Karachi three years ago but never got arrested because of his I.S.I. links.Bheel works closely with the president of the National Party, Senator Mir Hasil Bizenjo, who visited India to a peace conference that was also attended by Mani Shankar Aiyer some years back. Bizenjo and Aiyer are quite close. The National Party, which is basically Balochistan based, holds such clout in the Pakistani deep establishment that though Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s Pakistan Muslim League has more elected members in the Balochistan provincial or state assembly, the chief ministership of Balochistan province was given to Abdul Malik Baloch, former president the National Party.Baloch insurgents in different armed groups have long suspected Bheel of being a key operative of the I.S.I. in Balochistan. Dr. Allah Nazar Baloch, chief of the Baloch Liberation Front, recently announced a huge catch of arms belonging to Imam Bheel was seized by B.L.F. guerrillas in Kech, home district of the Balochistan chief minister. “I.S.I. is trafficking drugs through Imam Bheel, CC member NP, to Europe & world worth 5b$ annually for military and logistic support to Jihadis,”Dr Baloch said in a tweet. In summer 2009, just a month before Obama declared Bheel a kingpin, the B.L.F. dispatched a parcel bomb that left members of Bheel's family injured in Karachi.Two and half years ago the B.L.F. also killed his right hand man Haji Lal Bakhsh aka Lalo, who is said to have been working closely with the I.S.I. station chief in Turbat named Colonel Mohammed Shakoor.Meanwhile, the civil and political society were calling the “boat terror” a concocted story of the Indian government. Mohammed Ali Shah, chairman of the PFF disputed both the Indian Express report and the Indian government narration. Shah said the PFF used its network but have not been able to confirm the antecedents of the four sailors that were mentioned in the story. "If the four were killed where are the bodies he asked? If it was indeed an act of sabotage, why has there been no official protest from the Indian side."


This should have ended the vituperative discussion period.
The boat was owned by a Paki agent.

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Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Postby Prem » 11 Jan 2015 05:28

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 839285.cms
Pak boat sank on Jan 1, but satellite phones remained active until Jan 4
(And the Traitors wanted to know the detail, Must Be HV Mission)

NEW DELHI: For three days after a Pakistani boat went up in flames off the Gujarat coast on January 1 with four occupants onboard, the two satellite phones used by the suspected terrorists continued to be active, according to technical details with Indian agencies.The two numbers had been under NTRO's (National Technical Research Organization) watch for months before it alerted the Coast Guard about a possible mid-sea transaction. According to sources, the phones were used to get in touch with a mobile number in Thailand during most of this period.At least one more Indian agency other than NTRO had also been monitoring the two numbers. NTRO suspected throughout those months of monitoring that the two numbers were part of a smuggling racket. It alerted the Coast Guard on December 31 morning about their possible movement in seas near international maritime boundary of India, because the indication was that they were planning a major transaction.
On December 30 morning, the two numbers were about 8km apart in the Arabian Sea. By the evening of the same day, the two Thuraya satellite phone numbers had reached the same location.
Around the same time, the boat that probably came from near Sri Lanka moved the 'cargo' to the boat that came from Pakistan.
According to details available from technical monitoring, the two satellite phone numbers then drifted apart. In the months running up to the operation, the numbers were probably also in touch with a number in UAE.Raising several questions, the two Thuraya phones continued to be operational as late as January 4, three days after one of of the boats went up in flames as the Coast Guard closed in on it. According to officials, the boat that blew up was located using the Thuraya phone on board.
'Pak boat crew defied Thai handler, refused to go to Indian coast'
Intercepts show that the boat that came from Sri Lanka side may have handed over the cargo and Rs 6 lakh for one Shehzad in Pakistan. This boat got caught in bad weather after the transaction. On January 2, those on board this boat told their Thai contact that they were tired of removing water collected on the boat because of bad weather.During this conversation, there is confirmation about the cargo being handed over, bad weather and the nearest shoreline. When the Thai handler tells them to head for the nearest coastline, which is India, the boat occupant refuses. In the conversation there is no mention of the other boat going up in flames, or hot pursuit by Coast Guard.

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Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Postby partha » 11 Jan 2015 08:13

SwamyG wrote:One could argue was Karna evil, was he noble was he a better archer than Arjuna, was he victimized ityadi. He was on the side that is considered the 'wrong' side.

Not to forget it was Karna who talked cheaply about Draupadi and prodded Duryodhana to disrobe and insult her.

So reports are coming out now connecting the boat to terrorism. If you read the latest reports, there is no new data that might have been gathered after the operation. So all data was available but it's being released only now which clearly puts credibility of Swami and his friends in doubt. Was it deliberately done? :mrgreen:

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Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Postby Pratyush » 11 Jan 2015 08:42

shiv wrote:
chackojoseph wrote:They chased for an hour etc. With more experienced assets, the outcome could have been different.


If neither the CG nor the Navy had detected or followed the boat, do you believe the outcome would have been different? What is the worst thing that could have happened?


Bombay high gets gets with a sucide boat ALA USA Cole.

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Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Postby SSridhar » 11 Jan 2015 09:44

SwamyG wrote:Rama killed Valli. There were SOPs for the way Kstriyas could wage war. Yet, Rama killed Valli the way he did. It served a righteous purpose. One could argue the technicalities if Valli was evil or just a good king gone rogue. It is all good discussions over chai and samosas.

Vaalee also had been blessed that half the strength of anybody who fought face-to-face with him would be his. So, there was no other option. All these are OT except to point out correctly, as SwamyG did, that SOPs are not that sacrosanct, even if (and there is a big 'IF' anyway) they had been violated. Those who cry foul now would be the first to blame the government not to have thrown all assets at the terror boat had some unfortunate thing happened.

Anyway, we will no more refer to person(s) who are no longer on the board.

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Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Postby krishna_krishna » 11 Jan 2015 09:58

Guru's I have feeling that this Jhappad was a message in its own terms (seriously). That times have changed and those who underestimate the skill and or will of desi intel guys are horrifically wrong. They have reach to pick whoever they chose to that is why no more extra info and only selected decimation of information and I believe there won't be any big teammate.

The first shots have been fired , this are truly good times ahead if this continues like this. Connect it with SL election news and trips planned to desh I believe we are showing some balls finally. Only weakness I see now is afghans where we do not have strong levers.

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Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Postby niran » 11 Jan 2015 16:08


Do Indian journalists have the basic arithmetic ability or common sense to figure this out, or grasp it when explained to them real slowly? If not, I suggest with all due respect that they stick to stuff that they CAN figure out, like where their thumbs are relative to their (never mind)

earlier in cowbelt people would make their most useless son apply for a pandu or inshpayaktoor if moneyed now there are 2 options pandu or media slang for journos.

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Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Postby RamSuresh » 11 Jan 2015 16:30

Me Chacko Joseph,

Though you are active on Facebook you seem to have gone quiet here.

Could you share the evidence you have from your sources for this latest post on Facebook. Are you accusing Indian Defence Personnel as radicalised?

" It is disheartening to see majority of our ex service officers being radicalised. God forbid if Army is used to quell democracy protesters in India in future."
http://i62.tinypic.com/6pqjc5.png

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Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Postby Kashi » 11 Jan 2015 16:35

RamSuresh ji, you are absolutely on a roll. My salutations.

I do have to wonder though, what does Rajapakse have to do with the Indian armed forces???

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Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Postby RamSuresh » 11 Jan 2015 16:39

It has no connection. He also wrote an article barely 3-4 hours after SL results "why fascists cannot survive in democracy", with sick insinuations equating Rajapakse to Modi.

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Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Postby pankajs » 11 Jan 2015 16:39

This is easily explainable ... They are creating the noise necessary for a US(NOT UN) Council on <...> (Fill in whatever is appropriate for the occasion) hearing on the Capitol hill to castigate the GOI/party.

After all the need to rein in kamoonal/fascist force has wonlee increased with the new government taking office. The current lull is because
1) Shock at the unexpected massive victory of the kamoonals. It has placed them beyond coalition politics pressure. Clinton had met 2 of the 3 powerful ladies of India in expectation of a BJP led coalition assuming power at the center.
2) Time needed to re-group and re-strategize on how best to proceed in the changed circumstances. Strategies have to be reworked now that the kamoonals are in power.
3) Always better the opposition is lead from the inside or by insider. So Greepeace quickly indiginized its source of funding, or so they say, to cover the most obvious and debilitating ch1nk in their strategy.

In the meantime the noise factories are being pressed into service so that the pretext for the future action exists when the the new strategy is ready. One Archy boy is busy issuing certificate of both *good* and *bad* conversion. Expect the noise to keep rising for a couple of year followed by a hearing. IMVVHO wonlee..
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Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Postby member_20317 » 11 Jan 2015 16:56

SaiK wrote:
SwamyG wrote:Rama killed Valli. There were SOPs for the way Kstriyas could wage war. Yet, Rama killed Valli the way he did. It served a righteous purpose. One could argue the technicalities if Valli was evil or just a good king gone rogue. It is all good discussions over chai and samosas. The killing was righteous enough that even Angada joined Rama's army to defeat Ravana. Arjuna killed Karna. The same SOPs bound Arjuna. Yet he did what he did. One could argue was Karna evil, was he noble was he a better archer than Arjuna, was he victimized ityadi. He was on the side that is considered the 'wrong' side. And Krishna + Arjuna did what they had to do.

Big deal if they were Pakistani smugglers or terrorists. If they were Pakistani fishermen or other innocents from Pakistan, then there is at least a case. Else CG + IN should hurdle conduct a post-mortem, either pat themselves on the back or use post-mortem feedback to improve and move on.

Rest is maya onlee.


concern here is not karna on the wrong side nor dhuryodanite pakis. the maya point is pakistan has become india, and india become pakistan for these media vibishans.


Vibhishan == good boy.

You have to get your history right.

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Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Postby Kashi » 11 Jan 2015 17:00

ravi_g wrote:Vibhishan == good boy.

You have to get your history right.


You gotta ask though. Have you ever come across anyone named Vibhishan?

We had a very eminent scientist Meghnath Saha, I personally know quite a few Lankesh's and Ravanan's. Never came across a Vibishan.

Think about it.

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Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Postby member_20317 » 11 Jan 2015 17:08

https://in.linkedin.com/pub/dir/?first= ... rch=Search

Akshay Kumar, Meghnada, Kumbha, Karan are all usable names.

That Vibhishan is used wrongly shows the gulam zaheniyat of the person using it so. Just like cussing MC and BC. A converts life.

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Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Postby Kashi » 11 Jan 2015 17:17

ravi_g wrote:https://in.linkedin.com/pub/dir/?first=Vibhishan&last=&search=Search


I stand corrected.

Perhaps we should use Jai Chand instead?

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Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Postby member_20317 » 11 Jan 2015 17:42

Actually Jaichand should ideally also not be used as a symbol for traitorous behaviour, IMHO. He was merely being stupid. But then Jaichand is not a Dharmapalak unlike Vibhishan who along with Sugriva & Kuber, is probably the only one used to show the way forward for people suffering wrongful brothers. Jaichand was merely a king in Kaliyug, like several of our PMs. So probably he may still be used as an exemplar of stupidity.

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Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Postby deejay » 11 Jan 2015 18:04

It seems CJ got his _____ (fill in appropriately) badly bruised.

CJ's post on facebook and his article are signs that it is an all out war now for the Psecs. It is like a no-holds barred offence. Even ex-servicemen orientations (real or imagined) can be viewed as weapon against 'democracy'.

I guess, ex-servicemen are supposed to make the posts like CJ was making here for the Psecs to feel secure.

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Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Postby kmkraoind » 11 Jan 2015 18:27

Jhujar wrote:‘Terror boat’ owner Imam Bheel main operative of ISI in Balochistan, Gulf waters
http://www.thenewsminute.com/worlds/992
Bheel is a multibillionaire heroin smuggler, who was declared drug kingpin by president Obama in July 2009. Baloch nationalists accuse Bheel of working closely with the Inter Services Intelligence.


Indeed we crib more about USD billion aid to Pakis than Pakis getting multibillions from drugs. How does these money get distributed, I bet most of the money will ends in the hands of few ISI/Jihadi handlers. If by any chance, we cut their easy routes, I bet ISI/Dawood will loose badly. Now, I understand some of how Presstitutes angst on blowing up of these terror boat. If CG curtails this easy route, ISI/Pak will loose big and no more Pai Foundations western junkets or UAE arms show (5-star stays and expensive gift hampers) to pamper our journos. So ISI/Dawood is subtly nudging some of fifth columnist journos through their handlers and these journos are coming very hard on CG, because they will loose their tasty butter/jams.

If India stops its land/sea becoming a conduit route for drugs, it will be the biggest blow to ISI/PA. It will cut their money power and usual arms smuggling channels.

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Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Postby member_28108 » 11 Jan 2015 19:15

I think everyone noticed how he (CJ) tried to side step his funding when I asked him pointedly. I asked him 3 times and he deftly tried to not answer that.

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Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Postby NRao » 11 Jan 2015 19:54

If by any chance, we cut their easy routes, I bet ISI/Dawood will loose badly


Cut routes, one can come up with other routes.

Consider cutting other aspects of this terror.

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Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Postby chetak » 11 Jan 2015 20:22

prasannasimha wrote:I think everyone noticed how he (CJ) tried to side step his funding when I asked him pointedly. I asked him 3 times and he deftly tried to not answer that.


no one is going to discuss funding on a public forum. It was an impossible ask. :)

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Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Postby member_28108 » 11 Jan 2015 20:39

chetak wrote:
prasannasimha wrote:I think everyone noticed how he (CJ) tried to side step his funding when I asked him pointedly. I asked him 3 times and he deftly tried to not answer that.


no one is going to discuss funding on a public forum. It was an impossible ask. :)

Which needs to be pointedly asked to every paid reporter in an Ornob style :rotfl:

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Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Postby KLNMurthy » 11 Jan 2015 21:13

deejay wrote:It seems CJ got his _____ (fill in appropriately) badly bruised.

CJ's post on facebook and his article are signs that it is an all out war now for the Psecs. It is like a no-holds barred offence. Even ex-servicemen orientations (real or imagined) can be viewed as weapon against 'democracy'.

I guess, ex-servicemen are supposed to make the posts like CJ was making here for the Psecs to feel secure.

Also revealing is the reference to "democracy protests" in India.

OT but soon after Modi election, Praful Bidwai published an article in Pakistan's The News outlining a scenario in which Modi will be allowed to serve out his term as PM but as soon as the head-of-state immunity ends, will be brought to trial in the Hague for his "crimes," a la Pinochet. Interestingly, I am unable to now find that article in the by-author archives of The News.

I think it is time to start gaming the war on the civilian front; talented and imaginative writers can write up scenarios similar to the Military Scenarios thread. But it should be done with keeping in mind the effect such a theead will have on the enemy's planning.

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Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Postby vishvak » 11 Jan 2015 21:23

War on civilian front is kind of full of quicksand for kommunals, for lack of weapons is only one part. Another factor is that 'protest'/'liberation'/'resistance' bla bla all of that is divided up into various blocks only. So everyone can target kommunal at convenience (in civil space) and other players can sit out and do kommunal == with latest Lowest Common Denominator. If you notice, protests by kommunals are shown as some kind of riot every time (feb14 valentine day or 'pk' mocking or MFHussein cartoon lampooning).

In Kashmir, even local Village Defense Committees are not spared political interference - in face of terrorism sponsored by nuke powered pakis - and weapons they got is .303 kind of WW2 era rifles.


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