Then what are you saying CJ, everyone is trying to understand your point of view and no one has succeeded.chackojoseph wrote: And who is saying CG did wrong?
Please help us understand your questions so that they can be objectively addressed.
Then what are you saying CJ, everyone is trying to understand your point of view and no one has succeeded.chackojoseph wrote: And who is saying CG did wrong?
You need not agree with me. But you too have an opinion and I do not agree with you at all. But you are publishing your personal opinion in a media outlet and using BRF to publicize your personal opinions.chackojoseph wrote:Shiv, that is your opinion. Even for VBSS, they do not go so close. The do send a recce with helio, followed by geminis at a safe distance. if the boat moves, they fire in front of it. I do not agree with you at all. Cole is absolutely different case.
Ramana's actions are irrelevant to the issue. The fact is that you are perfectly willing to make an erroneous statement and then try and back out without egg on your face. That is NOT going to happen.chackojoseph wrote:As a reader, you can decide Shiv. I have never asked my media to be taken for granted. It is hardly a matter. But, I don't agree with your personal opinion of equating Cole with this incident. Anyway ramanna is banning me.
Sir, that 5 Lakhs amount per person is towards either cargo value or mercenary cost for ferrying that cargo.chackojoseph wrote:K Mehta,
1) Just tell me the arms cache one can buy for rs 5 lakhs.
2) I am not replying to arrogant questions or repeats any more.
I do not agree with you. Cole example is a pathetic example.shiv wrote:Ramana's actions are irrelevant to the issue. The fact is that you are perfectly willing to make an erroneous statement and then try and back out without egg on your face. That is NOT going to happen.chackojoseph wrote:As a reader, you can decide Shiv. I have never asked my media to be taken for granted. It is hardly a matter. But, I don't agree with your personal opinion of equating Cole with this incident. Anyway ramanna is banning me.
Calling the example pathetic does not make your statement any better.chackojoseph wrote:
I do not agree with you. Cole example is a pathetic example.
A boat damaged a naval ship and rendered your statement false.chackojoseph wrote: 2) Could be, but a terror speed boat cannot harm a Naval vessel.
While we are at it,Mahendra wrote:Chacko sir
Please don't leave, we will miss your real time inputs about cattle smuggling in the high seas, we will also miss your breaking neuj from a pakistani point of view. Please take this hankie and wipe the egg off your face before you leave.
I am bolding the words in which Intelligence agencies suspected that the boat was carrying explosives. I presume that in order to confirm their suspicion, the CG asked the boat to stop. They did not stop and were fired upon, either caught fire or set fire to the boat themselves, exploded and sank.Coast Guard Intercepts Suspect Boat Carrying Explosives in Arabian Sea
An intelligence based midnight operation was conducted on the intervening night of Dec 31 and yesterdayby the Indian Coast Guard ships and aircraft to intercept a suspect fishing boat in Arabian Sea near Indo-Pak maritime boundary, approximately 365 km from Porbander.
As per the intelligence inputs received on 31st December, a fishing boat from KetiBunder near Karachi was planning some illicit transaction in Arabian Sea. Based on the input, Coast Guard Dornier aircraft undertook sea - air coordinated search and located the suspect fishing boat. Thereafter, the Coast Guard ship on patrol in area was diverted and intercepted the unlit boat at about midnight of 31st December in position 365 km West-South West of Porbandar.
The Coast Guard ship warned the fishing boat to stop for further investigation of the crew and cargo; however, the boat increased speed and tried to escape away from the Indian side of maritime boundary. The hot pursuit continued for nearly one hour and the Coast Guard ship managed to stop the fishing boat after firing warning shots. Four persons were seen on the boat who disregarded all warnings by the Coast Guard ship to stop and cooperate with investigation. Soon thereafter, the crew hid themselves in below deck compartment and set the boat on fire, which resulted in explosion and major fire on the boat.
Due to darkness, bad weather and strong winds, the boat and persons on board could not be saved or recovered. The boat burnt and sank in the same position, in early hours of 1st January. Coast Guard ships and aircraft are continuing operations in area to search for any possible survivor. Coast Guard and other security agencies are maintaining high vigil in maritime and coastal areas since last couple of months due to several inputs on threat from the sea.
I made a similar point to PS about nobody claiming the boat and questioned his assertion that agencies other than CG were excluded or chose not to involve. he ended blocking me on twitter !!If the CG indeed killed them and they were innocent fisherman, you can bet your a*s that Pakistan would be crying hoarse about India killing its fisherman.
I know this poster is blocking me, but for others, let me just point out that the least a journalist should do is to be able to read and comprehend the data provided. This is regardless of his patriotic credentials or otherwise.chackojoseph wrote:K Mehta,
1) Just tell me the arms cache one can buy for rs 5 lakhs.
2) I am not replying to arrogant questions or repeats any more.
saar he probably did not understand the meaning of that word like many othersIt is amazing that in light of this, chackojoseph would use the word "arrogant" for his questioners.
ldev wrote:http://pib.nic.in/newsite/mbErel.aspx?relid=114289
The link above is the PIB release linked in the very first post in this thread. It says:
I am bolding the words in which Intelligence agencies suspected that the boat was carrying explosives. I presume that in order to confirm their suspicion, the CG asked the boat to stop. They did not stop and were fired upon, either caught fire or set fire to the boat themselves, exploded and sank.Coast Guard Intercepts Suspect Boat Carrying Explosives in Arabian Sea
An intelligence based midnight operation was conducted on the intervening night of Dec 31 and yesterdayby the Indian Coast Guard ships and aircraft to intercept a suspect fishing boat in Arabian Sea near Indo-Pak maritime boundary, approximately 365 km from Porbander.
As per the intelligence inputs received on 31st December, a fishing boat from KetiBunder near Karachi was planning some illicit transaction in Arabian Sea. Based on the input, Coast Guard Dornier aircraft undertook sea - air coordinated search and located the suspect fishing boat. Thereafter, the Coast Guard ship on patrol in area was diverted and intercepted the unlit boat at about midnight of 31st December in position 365 km West-South West of Porbandar.
The Coast Guard ship warned the fishing boat to stop for further investigation of the crew and cargo; however, the boat increased speed and tried to escape away from the Indian side of maritime boundary. The hot pursuit continued for nearly one hour and the Coast Guard ship managed to stop the fishing boat after firing warning shots. Four persons were seen on the boat who disregarded all warnings by the Coast Guard ship to stop and cooperate with investigation. Soon thereafter, the crew hid themselves in below deck compartment and set the boat on fire, which resulted in explosion and major fire on the boat.
Due to darkness, bad weather and strong winds, the boat and persons on board could not be saved or recovered. The boat burnt and sank in the same position, in early hours of 1st January. Coast Guard ships and aircraft are continuing operations in area to search for any possible survivor. Coast Guard and other security agencies are maintaining high vigil in maritime and coastal areas since last couple of months due to several inputs on threat from the sea.
If they were fisherman or simple smugglers they will not have a death wish and would have surrendered. After all fisherman from both sides are routinely arrested by the other side.
If the CG deliberately fired on them based on intelligence inputs and killed them, that's finally a great turnaround for India that it is proactively exterminating terrorists.
If the CG indeed killed them and they were innocent fisherman, you can bet your a*s that Pakistan would be crying hoarse about India killing its fisherman. But Pakistan has denied any knowledge which means that if they were terrorists, they were on a covert mission for Pakistan.
Finally, in the worst case scenario (as is implied by some journalists) if this whole incident was a staged operation, with a dummy boat with nobody on board and the PIB release was simply designed to burnish the national security credentials of the Modi Government, it will not be the first time that Governments around the world do such things and will not be the last time either. Either way, it sends a message to Pakistan, that from now on, India will not take prisoners. If indeed this operation was supervised by Ajit Doval, he is actually practicing his offensive-defensive strategy and sending a very clear message to Pakistan.
And what's with the consistently fractured English and execrable grammar? I don't know whether chackojoseph writes for an English-language outlet or a vernacular one, but even halfway decent Telugu and Hindi journalists I have read and heard are proficient if not fluent in English (not elevating English here, it is just that the reality that English is the lingua franca in the communication field).Surya wrote:saar he probably did not understand the meaning of that word like many othersIt is amazing that in light of this, chackojoseph would use the word "arrogant" for his questioners.
Chacko, there is an explicit press release from the Navy that it was aware and ICG taking on the suspect vessel was planned/normal. You should accept it at face value. No reason to look for failure in face of explicit denial by the Navy.chackojoseph wrote:You are only inferring that CG was the fastest possible. So, it is only a guess.KiranM wrote: Ever thought that CG assets was at hand for the fastest possible reaction? Also Navy being in charge does not mean CG will not be used. To swat a fly (a fishing boat) you do not use a hammer (IN warship) but a swatter (CG patrol vessels). Regarding the 2nd boat, I remember reading that it developed some problems and returned back to Pak. So why would CG or even IN pursue it and end up actually breaking international norms?
Parallels can be drawn with Army and BSF like how they manage the counter insurgency in J&K. Army is the overall in charge but it does not mean BSF, CRPF or JK Police do not engage threats on their own when warranted.
So, you are trying to say that that a terror boat is a fly? and IN is a hammer. I do not agree with you based on what we have been told since 2010.
Like "alleged" terrorists, we should start using the term alleged journalists for some low IQ idiots like pravin swamy and others of his traitorous ilk.ramana wrote:ldev, Don't waste your time!
HmmmRudradev wrote:But in order to feel "cheated", one has to first expect a reward that is subsequently denied. No? Otherwise why feel cheated? Why the sense of immense outrage and deprivation over the self-immolation of a few Paki smugglers, even if they were only "smugglers" as is being claimed? Why such wild-eyed, hyperventilating, braying taqleef?
This tops one DIE who once argued the benefits of Islamic rule over india. The major pluses being the food and sweet recipes. I did not know then to whether to pull my hairs or pull the gun or pull his guts out. These species are really unreal and alien to Earth. Imagine if these terrorist eliminate high profile political leader and the riots afterward. Most of idiots crying over this have the history of being antagonistic to Desh and Deshwasis.matrimc wrote:A month after 26/11, I was at a party (indic) and one worthy who has a PeeChaddi and director level DIE was wondering out loud whether the GoI/Security people had a court order or not before tapping the mobile phones of terrorists and recording the conversations between terrorists and their handlers. I surprised myself by holding back from landing a couple of good solid ones on it's face right then there.The only reason those cowards landed on the beach in dakshina mumbai was to cause mayhem. This person was not even wrong. Same with PS and CJ and other journalists of their ilk.