Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

vaibhav.n · Post by **vaibhav.n** » 06 Jan 2015 13:11

Something I received via mail.....FWIW.....Posting excerpts to protect identities of certain Armed Forces personnel on why drug smuggling theory peddled by Bullshit Swami is a bust.

However, According to an estimate almost 75% of drugs are and continue to be smuggled via the overland routes.There are good reasons all the profitable and frequent routes for smuggling across India-Pakistan are actually overland. In Gujrat it happens through the notorious bandit-land black hills of Kutch. The Karo Dungar area of Khawda (Indian territory but ceded to Pakistan after the 71 war) and via Lakhpat, around 35 kilometres from BP1175. This crucial AoR is supported by the BSF and the Army's 75 Indep Bde which has support elements forward deployed. In Addition, the Army maintains an Engrs IWT unit at Lakhpat itself at the creek's mouth. The Coast Guard operates with a Dornier Squadron from Daman and a ALH Dhruv Squadron & Composite Dornier Flight out of Porbander Station if my ageing memory serves me right.

However, at a much smaller level the drug trafficking routes are also coast based because heightened vigil along the land border have forced drug traffickers to look towards the sea as an alternative route. These are always via, the marsh lands and creeks of Gujarat are used to smuggle heroin from Afghanistan-Pakistan region in various country-made boats and dhows. These marshlands with their numerous interconnected creeks, sandbars and mangroves provide ideal hideaways for drug traffickers to make a quick landfall onto Indian territory. These also protect them from aerial surveillance. It is almost certain suicide for drug smugglers to transfer cargo onto smaller vessels on the high seas even at the dead on the night, they know this!! In all the years, I have never seen or heard the later to be the case.

Acetic Anhydride, a precursor for manufacturing heroin, flows through the same routes but in the reverse direction, i.e. from India to Pakistan. In addition, the Thar Express plying between Khokrapar and Munabao has been reported to have become a major carrier of drugs from Pakistan.

This is very different in how Drug-Traffiking happens in Punjab where consignments of primarily Hashish are also buried close to the fence by the Pakistani smugglers, to be retrieved later by their Indian counterparts when they go to their fields situated behind the fenceline.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 06 Jan 2015 13:46

vaibhav.n wrote:In Gujrat it happens through the notorious bandit-land black hills of Kutch. The Karo Dungar area of Khawda (Indian territory but ceded to Pakistan after the 71 war) and via Lakhpat, around 35 kilometres from BP1175.

Why was this done?

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 06 Jan 2015 14:03

KLNMurthy wrote:
Unfortunately, I see a good many patriots, including some on this thread, rising to the bait of this kind of misdirection, and engaging in endless speculative analysis with the intent of meeting the demand for evidence which cannot possibly fulfilled. There may be some residual material evidence from the flotsam and wreckage, but it will never be absolutely conclusive, unlike a detailed and corroborated confession by the suspect.

Because the quest to supply evidence is basically futile, the patriotic responders will find themselves on weak speculative grounds, or forced to resort to questioning the patriotism of the NSs or even resorting to abuse. All of these things are losing endeavors and will only serve the purpose of the original misdirection--to paint themselves as wise and courageous and their challengers as an ill-behaved mob of stupid persons, something which is very far from the truth.

Misdirection is a very hard propaganda strategy to counter and neutralize. But we might start with providing useful and logical responses directed, not at the misdirecters (because why on earth would they listen to us?) but at abduls who may be currently getting a their information and analysis from the misdirecters, by default.

If patriots want Truth, Justice and the Indian Way to prevail, they will need to learn to channel their passions and energies into well-conceived strategies to undermine and neutralize people like NS, so as to consolidate the Modi-ist Revolution. Simply letting off steam won't do it, in fact, it makes the task that much harder.

KLMNji
Thats why I have been saying that its now Coast Guard's version VS 4 dead men's version. Dead men enjoy 72 but dont tell stories of encounters with CG.We could all speculate all we want but end of the day, only the CG's version holds true.

But I have to disagree with you on not questioning the journos. You advocate a well conceived strategy on people who come from possibly liberal arts background. You assume strategies with good logic and firm backing of facts will work.
Simply put, it will not. Take the journo in this thread. When presented with all the facts, he said all fine but I still am going to take home what I want to take home. No amount of your strategy will work , however well conceived they may be.

Also, you give too much credit to likes of PraveenSwamis and NirupamaSubramaniams. They simply are not as clever as you portray them to be. Calcified WKK bents & large egos - yes, also not very clever & with fragile egos. Look at how in the end, PraveenSwami goes all loony with leprosy & brain tumor and what not. That is a tactical admission of surrender.

The thing these journos keep forgetting that the "Internet never forgets". So every time PraveenSwami & others go on MSM websites and twitter & blurt out something that is pure mischief, they are giving ammo to the swarm that will eventualy come to haunt them for the rest of their lives. The comment/twitter swarm will pick on one past mistake and wear these fellows down.

The other big problem for these swamis and nirupamas is that they STILL dont understand twitter/FB etc are bypassing their complete need. People get information from different sources and media monopoly of info dissemination is shattered. Rebuttals are near instantaneous , usually within minutes. Yet these lot think they can get away with their nonsense, thinking it is a 1-way street as in the pre-internet age.

The point here is that in the case of some journos, only ridicule works. What else can you do with people who are too ideologically entrenched?

member_28705 · Post by **member_28705** » 06 Jan 2015 15:02

Check out what Ashok Karnik says here. Finally, some sanity: http://ibnlive.in.com/news/pakistan-boa ... 515-3.html

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 06 Jan 2015 15:05

Whatever it might be, two things are obvious to me. One is about the evil intentions of the occupants of the boat which rightfully resulted in what eventually happened. Two, the clamour to cast aspersions on the GoI and the CG are not germane to the issue, but extraneous.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 06 Jan 2015 15:09

KrisP wrote:Check out what Ashok Karnik says here. Finally, some sanity: http://ibnlive.in.com/news/pakistan-boa ... 515-3.html

From the report,

The boat came under the radar a fortnight before the incident and all concerned authorities were alerted beforehand.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 06 Jan 2015 15:56

Kashi wrote:
vaibhav.n wrote:In Gujrat it happens through the notorious bandit-land black hills of Kutch. The Karo Dungar area of Khawda (Indian territory but ceded to Pakistan after the 71 war) and via Lakhpat, around 35 kilometres from BP1175.
Why was this done?

In order to restore Paki pride. Anther example of Indra Gandhi commitment to a strong and stable Pakistan. As this episode and related coverage shows, there is an uncanny link between some of our Journalists/ Electronic media, INC and like minded parties which has not been put across in the Public domain.

Akshay Kapoor · Post by **Akshay Kapoor** » 06 Jan 2015 16:06

Neela,

absolutely right on ridicule and internet never forgets. Also on calcified brains and MASSIVE EGOs. But will the swarm come? Do Indians care enough to do that ? I hope so. has the swarm come this time ?

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 06 Jan 2015 16:17

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/left-r ... -top-shows

Watch presstitutes on rNDTV. All Pakistani panelists except Admiral & Sambit. I look forward to that day when they are hung for treason.

SanjayC · Post by **SanjayC** » 06 Jan 2015 16:21

^^^ It would be easy to revoke NDTV's license citing national security reasons

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 06 Jan 2015 16:26

Strong-arm tactics should not be used. Anyway it has a very small viewership.

The money laundering, etc. allegations that are already in the public domain should be perused vigorously and the channel if guilty should be brought to book. Let the law take its own course.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 06 Jan 2015 16:30

Praveen Swami stays true to form

https://twitter.com/praveenswami

Narcoanalysis western fraud. Vedic Hindus had mind-reading 82crore years ago “@smapbob: Narcoanalysis on praveenswami will reveal the truth”

It's the radiant look of Vedic cow-pee soap, you pillock “@Mission84plus: face reading, you look an womanizer on the face ,has that 'look',

-----

Note the snide jabs against vedic Hindus - really no point in bringing them into this discussion but he seems to think its relevant. Same modus operandi as of Nirupama whutshername of the cHindu.

Birds of a feather..

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 06 Jan 2015 16:33

Praveen Swamy was on Headlines Today. I am seriously wondering if KT is a closet EJ or peaceful. He was bent upon "proving" the incident is not a terror related one.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 06 Jan 2015 16:36

He is only calling his own credibility into question not the GOI's as far as mango junta is concerned. Not that it matters to him. His credibility infront of his benefactors is increasing with every such acts.

Theek hai.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 06 Jan 2015 17:40

Pakistan rejects India's 'preposterous' terror boat allegations - Dawn

Swamy and his friends now stand vindicated.

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 06 Jan 2015 17:46

Aditya_V wrote: In order to restore Paki pride. Anther example of Indra Gandhi commitment to a strong and stable Pakistan. As this episode and related coverage shows, there is an uncanny link between some of our Journalists/ Electronic media, INC and like minded parties which has not been put across in the Public domain.

If you have a beef with IG, you might be better off calling out one of her many sins. However, no one has done more to protect India vs Pakistan than IG.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 06 Jan 2015 17:56

schinnas wrote:

If you have a beef with IG, you might be better off calling out one of her many sins. However, no one has done more to protect India vs Pakistan than IG.

Be as it may, how does ceding territory to Pakistan serve to protect India?

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 06 Jan 2015 18:37

What a sad day for our armed forces. They have been forced to issue an statement for protecting the nation. If that is fishing boat/smuggling boat, dead peoples' families would have raised a ruckus, but not a sound from Pak, yet our Presstitures are creating hallabulla.

Kanchan Gupta ‏@KanchanGupta

Hello Doubting Thomases, Navy corkscrews your "sources". Next what? Why wasn't Pakistan kept in the loop?

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 06 Jan 2015 18:46

kmkraoind wrote:What a sad day for our armed forces. They have been forced to issue an statement for protecting the nation. If that is fishing boat/smuggling boat, dead people's family would have raised a ruckus, but not a sound from Pak, yet our Presstitures are create hallabulla.

I expect the likes of PS, AS, KT etc to come out and dismiss the navy statement. Expect something on the lines of the following

"It is an attempt to put up a brave face."

"Navy was forced to issue the statement under government pressure."

"If indeed the Navy was involved then both CG and IN should be taken to task for breaking the law by running amok in international waters."

"If navy was involved why did we not hear about the fancy new P8is?"

"For a force that cannot keep its submarines from sinking and is saddled with a gargantuan dud in INS Vikramaditya, keeping track of a lone boat in a vast swathe of sea seems to stretch the limits of fancy."

Mihir · Post by **Mihir** » 06 Jan 2015 19:12

Now Praveen Swami has issues with the CG vessel "maintaining 2km distance, firing with LMG at range from swaying bridge". Umm, they weren't trying to deliver accurate fire, they were just firing warning shots. Plus a story by another reporter remarking that "the vessel might well have been carrying contraband" makes it "clear the “terror boat” was trafficking, not planning terror attack" to this chap.

It's one thing to be misled by your sources. But digging your heels in and attempting to spread FUD in spite of being proven wrong time and again is just despicable.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 06 Jan 2015 19:31

Mihir wrote:Plus a story by another reporter remarking that "the vessel might well have been carrying contraband" makes it "clear the “terror boat” was trafficking, not planning terror attack" to this chap.

Who says only Hindutvavadis can do mind reading? Clearly someone has read the terrorists minds

Kersi D · Post by **Kersi D** » 06 Jan 2015 19:46

As stupid question. What is FUD ?

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 06 Jan 2015 19:51

Regarding PS's muckraking : did the CG say anything about the initial distance between two boats or a scenario in the open sea the necessity to maintain top speed by the CG ship? Am not sure what is his questions are now
And I suppose his initial list is pretty much rubbish now?

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 06 Jan 2015 19:53

fEAR uNCERTINITY AND DOUBT

Sid · Post by **Sid** » 06 Jan 2015 20:40

Imagine it was US navy intercepting a Porki boat, with same outcome. No one would have asked so many questions. Instead Navy folks would have received some medal by president.

But when its our CG/IN doing the job they are supposed to do, having full knowledge of how friendly our neighbors have been, our media and politicians still question their motive and explanations provided by them?

Is it low self esteem or inferiority complex that makes our reports and politicians ask these questions?

Or our agencies lack in PR department?

Sid · Post by **Sid** » 06 Jan 2015 20:46

SSridhar wrote:
KrisP wrote:Check out what Ashok Karnik says here. Finally, some sanity: http://ibnlive.in.com/news/pakistan-boa ... 515-3.html
From the report,
The boat came under the radar a fortnight before the incident and all concerned authorities were alerted beforehand.

Excellent job by security agencies. I have not seen this level of coordination and execution between multiple agencies with such good results.

Maybe they should have kept this operation under wraps. A tactical win turned into defeat using media.

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 06 Jan 2015 21:40

Kashi wrote:
schinnas wrote:

If you have a beef with IG, you might be better off calling out one of her many sins. However, no one has done more to protect India vs Pakistan than IG.
Be as it may, how does ceding territory to Pakistan serve to protect India?

IG had just bifurcated Pak against tremendous opposition and threatening and sabotage by Nixon & Co. You are casting aspersions on her motive regarding Pukistan as if you know all the considerations that went into such decision. What you are doing is no different than what Praveen Swami is doing.

Even few weeks ago, we decided to cede several sq. kms of territory to Bangladesh and there were valid reasons for it.

yantra · Post by **yantra** » 06 Jan 2015 21:49

Not sure if this was posted before..

Conspiracy Theories about Pak Boat Bogus
http://swarajyamag.com/politics/conspir ... oat-bogus/

In his words, “The rules of engagement, give guidelines of what to do in which situation. It does not cover all scenarios but one gets the pattern. The use of lethal force is the last resort. In the given scenario, after receiving intelligence reports suggesting a threat and the suspect boat not stopping when ordered to meant that it did have a hostile intent. Letting the boat go was no option. so in steps, the intensity of the actions needed to be increased. As per the standard operating procedure, this included communication on designated channel, loud hailers and visual signalling by search lights.”

“If the above fail,” when such a situation emerges, “shots are fired across the bows — something like firing in air on land. If even then the boat does not stop, only then will the forces open fire at the boat,” the ex-Navy officer said.

He continued, “These measures are listed well and any innocent boat should have stopped. Even if the boat stops, the Coast Guard or Navy will not board the suspected vehicle immediately. The boat owner is asked to state his registration number, and all the crew and passengers are made to line up on the deck. Only when it is established that there is no threat, the forces will board the suspected vehicle.”

“In this operation, a Dornier (aircraft) was used. When you use a Dornier, you have to inform the air traffic control of the nearest airport at what height the craft will be. All this data is logged, and is easily reproducible. Hence, the talk of a staged encounter shows ignorance of the procedures. All these rules of engagement are followed very sternly and in no way can they be flouted,” the former officer said.

The explanation is very simple. The Coast Guard boats are faster, but they were not in the sea to race, and in the sea one cannot go ahead and park the ship in front of the boat to stop the suspects. Following the rules of engagement as explained earlier, the ship had to maintain a safe distance from the suspect boat. In no way the Coast Guard can risk their ship by drawing too close to the boat. The boat may be carrying enough explosives to blow itself up and sink the Coast Guard ship as well.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 06 Jan 2015 22:47

Akshay Kapoor wrote:Neela,

absolutely right on ridicule and internet never forgets. Also on calcified brains and MASSIVE EGOs. But will the swarm come? Do Indians care enough to do that ? I hope so. has the swarm come this time ?

I'll put down more detailed thoughts on this issue later.

For now, do we have any known cases of the "swarm" having a tangible effect?

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 07 Jan 2015 00:05

SSridhar wrote:
arshyam wrote: In fact, their coverage seemed to be positive overall
Didin't you read their Editorial yesterday? They are all in that same boat (pun intended)

SSridhar sir, I read it only after reading your post. I have stopped reading edits on the Hindu, as I realized that I didn't agree with most of them. That includes the op-eds as well. These days, I first see who the author is before doing even a cursory reading.

That said, my previous post pertained to the news reporting as the events unfolded, compared to PS's nonsense, they seemed factual to me, that's all.

Finally, the latest editorial confirms what you said, same boat indeed!

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 07 Jan 2015 00:23

The clean chit thing seems to be made up of 2 parts
(1) paki claim of clean chit from USA. This is real pakistaniyat ie pakis, being pakis, have lied through their pakistaniyat. All gas, no substance! That turned lights on fact that no such clean chits are given by unkil to pakis since 2013

(2) paki themselves acted civilized to hand over clean chit certificate, quietly after ( via pakistaniyat ) bogus USA clean chit!

On the other hand, pakis also abducted,like pirates, 2 fishing boats boats with 12 fishermen, but the Indian fishermen merely surrendered without pakistani circus of burning the ship, jumping into the ocean etc etc. However no clean chits given here already.

So it follows that pakis have scored tactical victory, but got their pakistaniyat exposed for giving clean chits one after another - first spreading rumors in the name of unkil and then pakis themselves getting in the act!

However, we have little to show other than a burnt sunk boat, 2 boats and 12 fishermen abducted and and a certificate from none other than Pakistan.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 07 Jan 2015 00:43

One must remember that it is in massa's interest now for the near forseeable future that Pakistan continues to get a clean chit.
So these lifafa journos must be getting dual lifafas these days.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 07 Jan 2015 00:44

Meanwhile the coast guard must have recovered some debris, and the IN is probably sending its divers down to recover parts for detailed analysis...

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 07 Jan 2015 01:22

fanne wrote:fEAR uNCERTINITY AND DOUBT

OT but, sometimes (or most times?) D stands for Disinformation.

vasu raya · Post by **vasu raya** » 07 Jan 2015 02:16

There are early warning sats that observe spectral signatures of missile boosters, n bums etc., a burning boat would give enough exposure time for such sats to determine the chemical content, as usual though that info won't be made available to us and rather clean chits will be given.

so here if the CG were carrying a chopper or employing a UAV (as part of its normal interdiction SOP) with such equipment with enough detection range to enable it to fly outside manpad range, we wouldn't have to listen PS and his ilk, this is just like Vivek's scenario of an unknown nuke on Lahore and the hijacked wartime narrative by a western news agency pending detailed analysis

Real time determination of spectral signatures would be needed without trying to depend on external sources

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 07 Jan 2015 02:18

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 07 Jan 2015 02:20

SSridhar wrote:
KrisP wrote:Check out what Ashok Karnik says here. Finally, some sanity: http://ibnlive.in.com/news/pakistan-boa ... 515-3.html
From the report,
The boat came under the radar a fortnight before the incident and all concerned authorities were alerted beforehand.

This is absolutely accurate - in fact the initial operation started even before 'a fortnight'. There is a big fear now in an agency that the intel channel has been exposed - similar to Musharraf recordings during Kargil. Lets wait and see.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 07 Jan 2015 02:25

Exclude the cretins from non-public functions (eg madison square garden, PM plane seat)during 1/26 guest events. There will be plenty of world media to the say the same thing these folks will. To see them do a sardesai in india will solve all the problems.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 07 Jan 2015 02:39

schinnas wrote:
Kashi wrote:
...

Be as it may, how does ceding territory to Pakistan serve to protect India?
IG had just bifurcated Pak against tremendous opposition and threatening and sabotage by Nixon & Co. You are casting aspersions on her motive regarding Pukistan as if you know all the considerations that went into such decision. What you are doing is no different than what Praveen Swami is doing.

Even few weeks ago, we decided to cede several sq. kms of territory to Bangladesh and there were valid reasons for it.

It is one of the laziest cop-outs in a debate to blandly assert "x is no different from y".

Both Indian Armed Forces today and Indira Gandhi in '71 should fully expect to have their choices subjected to questions; all that is needed is for the questions to be rational and responsible: they should make sense, shed some light, and not cause harm.

Praveen Swami's actions are being vilified here because they have failed the above test. Is it your claim that questioning of Indira Gandhi's decisions post-1971 war also fails that test? If so, you will need to establish that claim with more than bland assertion.

If not, I put it to you that you are engaging in cheap intimidation tactics to shut down a line of questioning that you find personally disagreeable; that, by the way, appears to be one of Praveen Swami's traits.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Jan 2015 03:29

Pravin 'Doubting' Swami is trying to make a Shorabuddin encounter case with the terrorist boat. That is where he is coming from.