whole heartedly agree with you Saar. The Russians have left me with such a bitter taste in my mouth while watching them in the last 20 years.
You know my friends's father who were in the IAF would go to Russian would have a good time learning and doing so much.
But every now and then we would hear that they were treated in a racist manner except at that time they did not register that it was racism. They thought it was just odd behaviour. Assumptions that our men could not understand their technical complexity and keeping them relegated to small simple jobs were litmus tests showing what was wrong. On top of that they often made us pay again and again to get what we had paid for.
Yeah I am done with the Russians but one person that is not is the Indian Army.
So that was the reason why I had suggested the numbers I had suggested because with the T-90 licensing deal done.
We will be making the 90s regardless in India as no one has challenged my two assumption at the bottom of my long past above.
Now first thing to do is to not waste anymore money on the 72s than absolutely required.
Therefore by upgrading the T-72s with a numbers consolidation programme.
I was merely emulating (without realising it till now), the Mig-21 Bison Programme.
Shrink the numbers of Mig-21 dramatically, pick the newest airframes / tanks and upgrade them with good quality.
+ Do it with an overseas vendor to gain further buy in.
The T-90 was the equivalent of the Su-30 MKI and laughingly if I may say so.
Arjun is my LCA
The FMBT is the rafael. ha ha ha
Yes Yes I am not in a French loving mode either.
Okay then its only prudent if I put time lines and take the picture further.
Once again the reason for increasing the T-90s was to the make the users look in the other direction while the govt undertakes something that will fundamentally change the direction. i.e We don't want them getting an Armata ever period.
For this to happen I am going to use tsarkar's numbers and break open the Arjun numbers to Mark Versions (as he did). Picture Now
Arjun Mk1 = 124
Arjun Mk2 = 118
T-90 = 310 CKD + 347 CKD + 354 CKD for Mountain Strike Corps + 1000 license manufacture (of which 330 & 235 ordered) = 2011
T-72 = 2414
Total = 4671
Arjun % age of Armoured Corps = 5.2 %Future Picture 2020
Arjun Mk1 = 124 (1st Batch of Mk1)
Arjun Mk2 = 330
T-90 BHISMA = 2011
T-72 UPG = 1000 (A Very High Quality Upgrade, outsourced completely)
T-72 PHOENIX = 1414 (Take the remaining CIs and keep them as is till end of life, hold your horses gentelmen)
Total = 4679Future Picture 2035
Arjun Mk1 = 0 (1st Batch of Mk1)
Arjun Mk2 = 550
Arjun Mk3 = 124
T-90 = 2011 + 189 = 2200 (Permanently Capped at 2200, never to exceed this number, remember this is a sweetner for this child)
T-72 MAX_UPG = 1000 (A Very High Quality Upgraded Tank)
T-72 PHOENIX = 500 (The Dying batch of tanks)
Total = 4374Future Picture 2050
Arjun Mk1 = 0 (1st Batch of Mk1)
Arjun Mk2 = 400
Arjun Mk3 = 1000
Arjun Mk4 = 124 [I love that number
T-90 BHISMA = 2000 (The Bhisma Retirement Begins with a reduction of 200 tanks)
T-72 MAX_UPG = 500 (A Very High Quality Upgraded Tank)
T-72 PHOENIX = 0 (The Dead batch of tanks)
Total = 4024Future Picture 2075
Arjun Mk3 = 800
Arjun Mk4 = 2200
Arjun Mk5 = 124
T-90 BHISMA = 800 (The Bhisma Retirement Begins with a reduction of 200 tanks)
Total = 3924Future Picture 2100
Arjun Mk3 = 400
Arjun Mk4 = 1200
Arjun Mk5 = 2200
Total = 3800
I think that number is adequate and will probably be less than 3800 in reality by the end of this century.
Tank is headed towards a a very challenging future. I don't think it will last past this century in a manned format.
Okay I think thats enough... its been a good few days in this thread.
I hope the Arjun slowly and surely creeps into the IA garage.