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vrbarreto wrote:Flight test and performance take off after it went technical earlier in the day (mirage 2000 Single seater)

There a lot of Mirage action on the live streams from the channel. Just have to find them.

https://youtu.be/MbqPK8xSw5g?t=21094
It's surprising to see one of our front line aircraft without RWR, SPJ, or other ECM systems. At least, not visible to the naked eye.
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India & US to kick off major air combat exercise at Kalaikunda this month, with Japan as 'observer' - Rajat Pandit, ToI
Keeping up the high tempo of bilateral and multilateral air combat wargames, the Indian Air Force is now all set to kick off an exercise with the US Air Force (USAF) at the Kalaikunda airbase in West Bengal this month.

The `Cope India’ exercise from April 10 to 21 will “further enhance operational capability and interoperability between the two air forces”. Japan, significantly, will also take part as an “observer” in the exercise, which will witness “air combat and mobility elements” operating from multiple air bases like Kalaikunda, Panagarh, Agra and Hindon.

The IAF will be fielding the French-origin Rafale, Russian-origin Sukhoi-30MKI and indigenous Tejas fighters as well as AEW&C (airborne early-warning and control) planes, C-17 Globemaster-III strategic airlift aircraft and IL-78 mid-air refuellers for the exercise. The US, in turn, will deploy F-15 Strike Eagle jets.

The exercise comes amid India’s continuing three-year-long military confrontation with China in eastern Ladakh as well as the ongoing Russia-Ukraine war, which has seen Beijing and Moscow get into a tighter strategic clinch.

Just since the beginning of this year, the IAF has taken part in four exercises overseas. “The aim is to participate in diverse fighter engagements and learn from the best practices of various air forces. It helps in understanding the latest developments in tactical and operational employment of air power,” an officer said.

“The exercises have also helped build interoperability and enhance cooperation. During them, IAF has also displayed enhanced reach across continents by collaborating with force multipliers like air-to-air refuellers from friendly nations apart from establishing commonality of technical support equipment,” he added.

First, India deployed four Sukhoi-30MKI fighters, two C-17s, one IL-78 and around 150 IAF personnel, for the first-ever air exercise with Japan called ‘Veer Guardian’ at the Hyakuri air base in January.

Then, five Tejas fighters, two C-17s and 110 personnel were dispatched for the multi-nation `Desert Flag’ exercise at UAE from February 23 to March 17. This was the first time that the home-grown Tejas light combat aircraft took part in an international exercise outside India.

Then, five Mirage-2000 fighters, two C-17s, one IL-78 and 145 personnel of the IAF also took part in another multi-nation exercise `Cobra Warrior’ in the UK from March 6 to 24.

The IAF also participated in the `Shinyuu Maitri’ exercise with the Japan Air Self Defence Force at Komatsu, on the side-lines of the bilateral Army exercise `Dharma Guardian’ from February 13 to March 2.

India and the US, of course, regularly conduct several exercises, which range from the bilateral `Yudh Abhyas’ land combat one to the quadrilateral Malabar naval wargames.

The last edition of the 18-day `Yudh Abhyas’ exercise was conducted in the high-altitude region of Auli in Uttarakhand, barely 100-km from the Line of Actual Control with China, last November.
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Indian Rafale fighter jets to participate in French Military exercise with NATO allies
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USAF B-1B Strategic Bombers At Kalaikunda For Cope India 2023 Exercise
On April 10, 2023, Gen Kenneth S Wilsbach, the commander of the US Pacific Air Forces, told the press in India that the USAF will deploy two B1 bombers, four to six F-15Es, one C-17 and two C130s during Phase 2 of the 11-day Cope India 2023 bilateral Air Exercise between the Indian Air Force (IAF) and the United States Air Force (USAF).

The B-1B, nicknamed “The Bone,” is a long-range, multi-mission, conventional bomber capable of undertaking missions worldwide from its bases in the United States and forward-deployed locations.
Cope India 2023

The current Cope India exercise series edition is being held at Air Force Stations Arjan Singh (Panagarh), Kalaikunda, and Agra. The exercise aims to enhance mutual understanding between the two air forces and share their best practices.

Phase 1 of the exercise, which commenced on Monday, April 10, 2023, is focused on air mobility and involves transport aircraft and Special Forces assets from both the air forces.

Both sides have fielded the C-130J and C-17 aircraft, with the USAF also fielding an MC-130J, a C-130 variant equipped and honed for special operations.
Phase 1 Of Cope India 2023

Phase 1 of Cope India 2023 continues the February 2023 Yudh Abhyas exercise at Hindon and Agra between the US Air Force’s 535th Airlift Squadron and the IAF’s No. 81 Squadron operating Boeing C-17 Globemaster III.

The Yudh Abhyas exercise started with a basic visual formation airdrop. The training flights slowly grew in complexity, culminating with a GPS-degraded, single-ship flight flown by US Air Force crews with IAF observers on board.

One of the more significant training flights was a successful NVG (Night Vision Goggles) formation, verifying the IAF’s vital currency since first acquiring the capability in 2019.

During Cope India 2023, US Air Force’s 535th Airlift Squadron and the IAF’s No. 81 will focus on visual airdrop procedures while adding hands-on Joint Precision Airdrop System (JPADS) operations.
Phase 2 Of Cope India 2023

Phase 2 of the exercise will be held at the Indian Air Force base at Kalaikunda, focusing on interoperability and honing air combat tactics for joint operations. In the past, Cope India exercises only involved USAF and IAF fighters.

The participation of two B-1B bombers in the current edition of the exercise is a surprise—a surprise with a message, if not a surprise strategic course correction by India.

On two occasions, B-1B bombers have flown in Indian airspace to do flypasts during Aero India airshows.

Explaining the first-time participation of the US bomber in an exercise in India, Gen. Wilsbach said, “We have an opportunity not only to show the aircraft in public, but the crew also have an opportunity to train with one another and incorporate the bombers into the scenarios so that everybody on all sides has a chance to see how they operate and we can improve our tactics, techniques, and procedures.”
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https://twitter.com/IAF_MCC/status/1645 ... 13090?s=20 ---> On the sidelines of the ongoing Exercise Cope India which aims to further our international cooperation, General K Wilsbach, Commander @PACAF visited Kalaikunda AF Station today. After flying a training mission, he interacted with Air Marshal SP Dharkar, AOC-in-C EAC and the exercise participants.

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Rakesh wrote:...
Most indians have a belly in this pic; the only american dsnt. I wud wish bellies are discouraged in armed forces.
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... the USAF will deploy two B1 bombers, four to six F-15Es, one C-17 and two C130s during Phase 2 of the 11-day Cope India 2023 bilateral Air Exercise between the Indian Air Force (IAF) and the United States Air Force (USAF).
I find this very interesting. GoI has always been sensitive to the political signals being sent to (or perceived by) the world in all these military exercises with foreign countries, especially the US. The fact that they now feel comfortable welcoming the B1 bomber into India for a training exercise must say something significant, IMO, about what they assess about China's intentions.

P.S. [added later] I wonder if it also says something about the GoI's assessment of what this new Russia-China alliance means for the Russia-India relationship.
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^^^ Such platforms are sent to India to display the flexibility that they can offer in a possible conflict. See this ---> viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7088&start=3040#p2585951

Future and improved variants of SAAW (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRDO_Smar ... eld_Weapon) will mimic the SDB-39 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GBU-39_Sm ... meter_Bomb). The handicap lies in the platform that can carry a large load, like the B-1B with close to a 100 of these munitions.

That does not mean a purchase of the B-1B will occur, but this is how the seed of capability is germinated. That having been said, the B-1B is quite maintenance intensive and she is also due for retirement by the end of the next decade. She is to be replaced in USAF service by the brand new B-21 Raider (https://www.airandspaceforces.com/artic ... he-future/). The only phoren country that is rumoured to get her hands on this technological wizardry - for now - is Australia.

Of the other three USAF aircraft that are coming for Cope India 2023, two are already in IAF service (the C-17 and the C-130) and the third (F-15) is participating in the MRFA contest.
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Hi Rakesh,
Such platforms are sent to India to display the flexibility ...
Yes, it is easy to see what America wanted to achieve by sending the B1. My question is, what did India want to achieve / demonstrate by allowing it? The only logical targets of this aircraft would be countries like Russia, China or North Korea.

Frankly, I am quite surprised that this deployment happened. I am not happy / sad / angry / whatever. I am just very curious: why was this deployment agreed to (by GoI)? This was not an air show or a ceremonial flypast, it was a joint military exercise involving a US strategic bomber at a major Indian air base, not tucked away on a remote island like Lakshadweep or Car Nicobar.

It is IMO not a trivial matter that India agreed to this.
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Perhaps India wants such a capability. Last year, there were rumours of a Tu-160 lease. It eventually turned out to be another one of Bharat Karnad's unhinged fantasies, but Air Chief Marshal Arup Raha (retd), who was speaking at that conference, did allude to such a capability (if memory serves me correctly).

Only three countries in the world make/operate strategic bombers ---> Russia, China and the United States. With Russia out of the equation and China obviously not happening, that leaves only the US for India to see what such a capability could bring. ~100 SDB/SAAW-type munitions on a single aerial platform is nothing to scoff at. Just a single aerial platform can level quite a large area.

This is the second recent deployment of the B1 to India. She last came in February for Aero India 2023. GOI acceding to such a request, is a direct result of an Air Force request to the GOI. It is the IAF that wants to see the B-2 in operation. Just like with the S-400, it is the IAF that insisted on the system. The GOI was the geopolitical front.
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There is no way US is gonna sell B-1 or B2 bombers to India. This is a pure fantasy. India will need to make its own long range heavy bombers if it wants any.
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hgupta wrote:There is no way US is gonna sell B-1 or B2 bombers to India. This is a pure fantasy.
Agreed, that is pure fantasy. But what about this scenario?

[Speculation] India is really concerned about the use of Chinese heavy air power on Indian targets in a future war, something the scale of which would be beyond India's capacity to interdict or respond to in kind. For such a scenario, both countries (India and US) are signalling the intention of basing American strategic bombers on Indian soil for use against CHinese targets. [/Speculation]
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Some times I think that Indian concept of warfare is still stuck in Mahabharat style warfare. i.e, the enemy sends a heavy bomber. IAF instead of shooting it down with SAM or fighters Jet. Believes that a heavy bomber is the solution.

The solution is to make sure that India is able to strike deep into China and disrupt it's ability to conduct operations against India.

Invest heavily in cruise and ballistic missiles. While building up the combat fleet of the IAF.

We need to start thinking about striking 20 to 30 thousand targets in PRC within a period of 7 to 10 days. Bombers are not going to do it.

Long ranges (4000 km plus range) low observable cruise missile and hypersonic missile are the answer to the problem.

At an approx cost of 2 to 3 million dollars a piece. India can procure 2000 missiles per per year for all three services. Keep that up for the next 25 years and we have 50 k missiles.

They can just be kept stored and maintained with minimum amount of effort and costs. The launch system is a modified truck with the ability to carry 4 or 8 missiles.
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hgupta wrote:There is no way US is gonna sell B-1 or B2 bombers to India. This is a pure fantasy. India will need to make its own long range heavy bombers if it wants any.
Have you considered leasing?
INS Chakra was also leased long back.
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The issue is not lease of bombers themselves. The issue the prodigious use of munitions during any war.

Will the USA provide thousands of standoff munitions needed to operate the bombers safely against PRC. What would be the cost for same?

Will the US permit integration of Indian designed munitions as needed on the platform. What would be the cost of such an activity?
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ramana wrote:
hgupta wrote:There is no way US is gonna sell B-1 or B2 bombers to India. This is a pure fantasy. India will need to make its own long range heavy bombers if it wants any.
Have you considered leasing?
INS Chakra was also leased long back.
US would never let any other country use these assets. They are considered as strategic assets and by US law not for sale to any other country the same way F-22s are not for sale to any other countries no matter what.
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One reason could be that the IAF is preparing for SQRs for development of Indian bomber. Familiarity with operational requirements by way of joint exercises with the largest bomber operator will definitely add some value. Granted that the final induction is no closer than 20 years, but the knowledge gained will definitely help the forces decide better.

There might be intense discussions happening within IAF on what route to choose for such development. My personal armchair choice would be to go the Ghatak++ route with 4 Kaveri engines.
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Ernest, Any new plane development will take years to get there while the threat is immediate. So need something immediate.
TU-160s are doubtful as the bear has its head in the dragon's mouth.
Tu-22 Russia needs for won purposes as Europe heats up.
It is not all technical or usual myopia.
IAF just has to supply pilots and nothing else.
If not IN will do that.
As for hgupta let's see.
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US-India military drills: B1 bombers take center stage — check key features
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India is the guest of honour at Greece's Iniochos exercise: New Delhi is entering Europe via Greece
https://greekcitytimes.com/2023/04/13/i ... of-honour/
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@ Roop: You will like these :)

https://twitter.com/IAF_MCC/status/1648 ... 53857?s=20 ---> The USAF's 'Strategic Swingwing' over the old home of IAF Swing Wings. The 'Bone' Rockwell B1 Lancer of the @usairforce flying with other participating fighter aircraft during the ongoing Ex Cope India '23.

#DiplomatsInFlightSuits
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IAF Fighter Pilot (looks to be Air Vice Marshal or possibly even Air Marshal) sitting in the back seat of a F-15E :)

https://twitter.com/KelawalababaJi/stat ... 22272?s=20 --->

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Indian and French Rafale fighters to fly together in Exercise Orion 2023
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https://twitter.com/CEM_AAE/status/1647 ... 08321?s=20 ---> Welcome to Rafale of the IAF! A first! For three weeks, the French and Indian crews will once again develop their interoperability during air defense and ground attack missions. #StrongerTogether #Cooperation.

https://twitter.com/Armee_de_lair/statu ... 40932?s=20 ---> The French Air and Space Force is honored to welcome a Rafale detachment from the @IAF_MCC to Air Base 118 in Mont-de-Marsan. Together, French and Indian Rafales will participate in exercise #VOLFA2023 which is itself part of the major exercise Orion 2023.

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Rakesh wrote:@ Roop: You will like these :)
Thanks, Rakesh. Nice pictures.
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From the official Twitter account of the Ambassador of India to France.

https://twitter.com/JawedAshraf5/status ... 35360?s=20 ---> Welcome @IAF_MCC Rafale to France for multinational Ex Orion 23 hosted by @Armee_de_lair. Towards increased inter-operability with partners for a secure and peaceful future.

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Rakesh wrote:IAF Fighter Pilot (looks to be Air Vice Marshal or possibly even Air Marshal) sitting in the back seat of a F-15E :)

https://twitter.com/KelawalababaJi/stat ... 22272?s=20 --->
The mystery IAF pilot sitting in the back of the F-15E is Air Marshal SP Dharkar, AOC-in-C Eastern Air Command.

https://twitter.com/EAC_IAF/status/1648 ... 36579?s=20 ---> Air Marshal SP Dharkar, AOC-in-C EAC visited AF Station Kalaikunda on 17-18 Apr 23. He reviewed ongoing Ex Cope India between US Air Force and Indian Air Force. He also flew a training mission in a USAF F-15E Strike Eagle.

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Roop wrote:I find this very interesting. GoI has always been sensitive to the political signals being sent to (or perceived by) the world in all these military exercises with foreign countries, especially the US. The fact that they now feel comfortable welcoming the B1 bomber into India for a training exercise must say something significant, IMO, about what they assess about China's intentions.

P.S. [added later] I wonder if it also says something about the GoI's assessment of what this new Russia-China alliance means for the Russia-India relationship.
B-1B Lancers Fight With And Against Indian Air Force In Historic First
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18 April 2023
As well as the obvious signaling potential of the B-1B in exercises of this kind in the region, their presence also suggests the Lancers and supporting assets are training for long-range strike scenarios, too, with the drills apparently having a more offensive nature than in the previous rounds of the exercise. Giving the IAF the opportunity to practice defensive tactics against long-range strikes, of the kind that could potentially be launched by China, in a future large-scale confrontation, may be one of the scenarios being played out. But equally important for India, without any long-range bombers of its own, is likely the chance for IAF fighters to provide escort to the B-1s.
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It's possible IAF got get a feel for the pilot controls on the B1B.
If so its not just escort sorties.
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Rambha in the Med 8)

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This is not about joint exercise, but about training.

US Coast Guard starts coaching Indian Coast Guard officers
The US Coast Guard on Monday started a 12-day maritime advanced boarding officers course for Indian Coast Guard officers. The training is being held at the Indian Coast Guard Air Station in Chennai.

The training that is being conducted by the United States Mobile Training Team (USMTT) of the US Coast Guard comprises theory and practical of boarding operations onboard Indian Coast Guard (ICG) ships and fishing vessels.

Twenty four ICG officers drawn from the five regional commands of the Indian Coast Guard are undergoing the training.

The course aims at providing value addition skills, techniques and knowledge essential for safe and precise boarding operations to the young officers, according to a press release.

The Indian Coast Guard ensures exhaustive training of all personnel detailed for the boarding team. The training includes various boarding procedures personal conditioning, weapons proficiency and safety.
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https://twitter.com/ReviewVayu/status/1 ... 99808?s=20 ---> Indo-UK joint military Exercise “Ajeya Warrior – 2023” at Salisbury Plains, United Kingdom--27 April to 11 May 2023. Soldiers of the 2 Royal Gorkha Rifles from the United Kingdom and Indian Army soldiers from the BIHAR Regiment are participating in the exercise.

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Indian destroyer, stealth frigate in South China Sea
India is sending a destroyer as well as guided missile stealth frigate to the South China Sea to take part in a first-of-its-kind maritime exercise with the Association of South East Asian Nations (Asean). The harbour phase of the exercise was initiated at the Changi Naval Base in Singapore on Tuesday, with warships from participating nations scheduled to enter the South China Sea on Sunday.

While India has sent warships to the South China Sea in the past as well, this is the first such naval exercise with the Asean grouping. It may be noted that several Asean nations, including Vietnam and the Philippines, have maritime disputes with China and have been steadily increasing defence cooperation with India.

Navy chief Admiral R Hari Kumar is on an official visit to Singapore. He inaugurated Asean-India Maritime Exercise along with Rear Admiral Sean Wat, chief of Singapore Navy.

India's first indigenously built destroyer INS Delhi and indigenously built guided missile stealth frigate INS Satpura have reached Singapore. The highly capable P8I Maritime Patrol aircraft will also take part in the exercise. The Indian ships are from the eastern fleet based at Visakhapatnam.
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The one with the most 'muscles' in #IMDEX this time
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Delhi-class Destroyer INS Delhi (D61)

#FYI said the crew of the ship INS Delhi this is India's first domestically made destroyer
Some really interesting OSINT AIS tracking going on (wrt this exercise)

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Chinese vessels shadow Indian ships in Asean drill, say officials - HT
Chinese surveillance vessel Xiang Yang Hong 10 and at least eight maritime militia ships, a front for the Chinese People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN), sailed towards the area where the inaugural Asean-India naval drill ended on Monday, officials familiar with the matter said.

The Chinese vessels then moved towards the exclusive economic zone of Vietnam, and experts said it was not clear whether the purpose was to keep an eye on the naval exercise or to make a foray into Vietnam’s EEZ, where China is engaged in a maritime dispute.

The presence of the Chinese vessels was first reported on social media by Ray Powell, a former US Air Force officer who tracks developments in South China Sea for the Gordian Knot Center for National Security Innovation at Stanford University.

Powell said five Chinese maritime militia ships moved from the Spratly Islands to the area of the India-Asean drill on Sunday evening. Another three Chinese maritime militia ships left Subi Reef and headed in the direction of the exercise area on Monday.

An official from an Asean state, who spoke on condition of anonymity, described the exercise as an “important development” as it allows navies of Asean states and India to strengthen collaboration, enhance understanding, and build confidence to address common maritime security challenges.
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https://twitter.com/livefist/status/167 ... 54560?s=20 ---> Indian Rafales & C-17 depart for France to take part in the Bastille Day flypast over Paris.

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Indian marching contingents, Rafale jets to take part in French Bastille Day parade
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ ... 020399.ece
29 June 2023
In another instance, the IAF is planning to host a multilateral air exercise Tarang Shakti at the end of this year and approval from the Defence Ministry is awaited. “The plan is to invite 12 friendly foreign countries with whom we interact regularly and have a certain degree of interoperability,” a senior defence official said, adding that, of these, six countries will be with a fighter compliment while the other six would be present as observers.
https://twitter.com/NewsIADN/status/167 ... 96768?s=20 ---> Hellenic Air Force (Greece) to participate in the Tarang Shakti Exercise in India later this year.

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https://twitter.com/JawedAshraf5/status ... 85664?s=20 ---> Delighted to welcome our air warriors and IAF Rafale aircraft in France for the Bastille Day Parade on July 14th when PM Narendra Modi will be the guest of honour. Will fly over Paris skies with French Rafales, in a message of partnership on the historic occasion.

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https://twitter.com/BharatShaktiBSI/sta ... 62466?s=20 ---> IAF Rafale land in Évreux. Ready for the July 14 fly-by.

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https://twitter.com/IAF_MCC/status/1678 ... 07872?s=20 ---> "But for the wings, we would have been closer!"

Indian Air Force and French Air Force Rafales practice over the Parisian skies to achieve perfect synchronization for the upcoming #BastilleDay Parade.

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