Cain Marko wrote:So, the so 30mki is a dud compared to the Rafale? Or is the brahmos a dud?
The Su-30 MKI is not a dud only because India has gone the extra mile in adding capabilities no other Russian aircraft had, including state of the art avionics - MFD, DPcs, RLG-INS, modern VOR/ILS, DMG, MF LDPs and even then, the Russians did not cooperate in critical items such as the EW Pod.https://www.livefistdefence.com/2017/02 ... 30mki.html
A DARE scientist associated with the project tells a familiar story: Russia’s unwillingness to share codes (or its insistence on an additional commercial understanding) that could have helped manage the interfacing issues between the SAP-518 pod and Indian RWR better and faster.
So, the Russians not only give a pod that is unsuitable and too heavy to use. They sabotaged India's efforts to find a replacement. First, they refused to provide assistance to integrate the EL/L-8222 SPJ with Bars and the Tarang. So India went and purchased the SAP-518. Then they refused assistance to integrate the SAP-518 with Tarang.
Then consider the "curious" case of the missing armament.http://archive.indianexpress.com/news/n ... rt/490055/
Now, did Russia offer to rectify these defective units as it ought to have?
Then consider serviceability. As of 2015, IAF was averaging 50% serviceability for the expensive Su-30 fleet. The reasons, the usual ones.
- Russian TOT to HAL for maintenance had been delayed
- Continued over-reliance from HAL to Russian suppliers for spares - again, partly because the whole TOT to HAL from Russia was delayed
- India purchased more Su-30s than planned directly from Russia, and reduced Phase-4 Sukhois at HAL again because TOT was delayed
Finally, to overcome the above, HAL established a highly expensive spares setup in India, stockpiling expensive spares in advance, to meet urgent IAF needs.
MOD's request to have Indian firms make Russian spares in India is still "in process". Russia claims that it will now speed up spares orders from India.
AL-31 issues. Again, Russia late in the game offered serviceability patches, but overall TTL and TBO of AL-31 lags any western equivalent.
Bars. Final version of production ready version achieved in 2012. A decade after induction.
We have achieved some 70% serviceability this year, merely 1.5 decades
after Su-30s first flew in Indian skies.
It will take Indian efforts to fix the EW suite and active missile armament on Su-30.
Now look at T-90, Smerch and countless other Russian deals.
All cheap on the outside, but then the fun starts later.
The Su-30, if its "great" will have everything to do with Indian determination and funding, and persistence in not giving up.
Rafale deal is ENTIRELY because the Russians frustrated IAF so much. If the Su-30 was not a pain to deal with logistically, IAF would be doubling down on it.
Another issue is Russia is simply not able to maintain the technological advantage vis a vis western peers.
The Rafale is preferred by IAF over FGFA. What does this tell us of FGFA?
IAF thinks reduced RCS, AESA equipped 4th+ gen bird is better than a so called 5Gen platform.
IMHO, only once Russia fixes the serviceability issues and then starts using the tech developed via FGFA extensively, will things change vis a vis IAF perception.