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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby brar_w » 07 Feb 2017 06:27

Singha wrote:When b1s struck south libya in the war to depose
Qadhafi i read they needed 2 weeks to line up the
Tankers


viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5098&p=2111824#p2111824
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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby NRao » 07 Feb 2017 06:58

IF HAL designed the wing, for the C-Hawk, that provided some 25% improvement in turn and 17% in climb, that is hardly a small contribution.

As far as Indian components, what is lacking? Perhasp for uniformity, etc they may retain foreign components. Dunno.

I think this is great step. However, no great step is a great step unless the next or the next few steps are equally great.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Rakesh » 07 Feb 2017 07:17

The BAE Systems Inc - HAL Advanced Hawk close-up
https://twitter.com/livefist/status/828564675990319106

That cockpit shot of the above aircraft is nice...

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby shiv » 07 Feb 2017 07:25

Cosmo_R wrote:
HAL is trying to stay relevant. This CH stuff is nice but given that IAF needs 200-300 fighters, this is a diversion in resource terms. They would be far better off showing how they are totally focused on getting the LCA out in numbers.

Have you seen the HAL products publicity?

No Tejas there. Only Dhruv, LCH, HTT 40 and Jaguar Darin 3

Tejas is not HALs baby

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby RoyG » 07 Feb 2017 08:17

sankum wrote:✈Anantha Krishnan M ✈ ‏@writetake · 7h7 hours ago
And, here is the artistic image of #IMRH released by HAL.


Image


Resembles the Aerospatiale SA 330 Puma more than anything else.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby RoyG » 07 Feb 2017 08:18

RoyG wrote:
sankum wrote:✈Anantha Krishnan M ✈ ‏@writetake · 7h7 hours ago
And, here is the artistic image of #IMRH released by HAL.


Image


Resembles the Aerospatiale SA 330 Puma more than anything else. Maybe even the cougar

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby shiv » 07 Feb 2017 08:27

RoyG wrote:Resembles the Aerospatiale SA 330 Puma more than anything else.

Is that a problem?

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Pratyush » 07 Feb 2017 08:29

It looks like an early stage drawing. But am happy that not in too distant future Indian armed forces will have yet another domestic designed aircraft.

Wetdream just as the ALH resulted in LCH it should result in ah 64 class machine.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Indranil » 07 Feb 2017 08:58

There is a hell thread for this discussion.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Nick_S » 07 Feb 2017 16:27

HTT-40 2nd prototype to fly in March; innovations propel project
http://english.mathrubhumi.com/news/ind ... -1.1712977

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby nirav » 07 Feb 2017 20:20

Indranil wrote:There is a hell thread for this discussion.


I never quite understood the need to not have an air force thread and combine everything aviation in this thread.
But helos in Heli thread ? :s

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby shiv » 07 Feb 2017 21:29

nirav wrote:
Indranil wrote:There is a hell thread for this discussion.


I never quite understood the need to not have an air force thread and combine everything aviation in this thread.
But helos in Heli thread ? :s

No No - he has written "hell" thread. Not Heli. Helos in hell thread. Maybe Himalayas on a foggy evening.

Like this

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby nirav » 07 Feb 2017 21:52

Haha.. Thank you for the link.Made for great reading..

Btw I digged a little and realised we have this concept of no IAF but Indian military thread from atleast 2009 !
Long-standing practice ! Not sure if it goes further back.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby shiv » 07 Feb 2017 21:57

nirav wrote:Haha.. Thank you for the link.Made for great reading..

Btw I digged a little and realised we have this concept of no IAF but Indian military thread from atleast 2009 !
Long-standing practice ! Not sure if it goes further back.

If I remember right there was only an Indian military aviation thread originally. Gradually threads proliferated as this thread got overloaded. But there is a lot of overlap. Some things can fit into many threads.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby JTull » 07 Feb 2017 22:22

nirav wrote:
Indranil wrote:There is a hell thread for this discussion.


I never quite understood the need to not have an air force thread and combine everything aviation in this thread.
But helos in Heli thread ? :s


Classic Indian bureaucracy! Lots of little fiefdoms with little regard for each other. Each busy sending people to the other window for redressal.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Cybaru » 07 Feb 2017 23:04

RoyG wrote:Resembles the Aerospatiale SA 330 Puma more than anything else.


Artistic impression will change as it gets closer to implementation. Too early in the process. I hope they do start on it soon though.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby nachiket » 07 Feb 2017 23:51

nirav wrote:Haha.. Thank you for the link.Made for great reading..

Btw I digged a little and realised we have this concept of no IAF but Indian military thread from atleast 2009 !
Long-standing practice ! Not sure if it goes further back.

There is an IAF specific thread now: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7294


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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Khalsa » 08 Feb 2017 04:53

We are as bad as the IAF ...... they too have more variety of aircrafts than they deserve
:P

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Philip » 08 Feb 2017 13:35

When is the MRH supposed to fly? The LUH was reported to have some engine issues,what's the latest? Plus,what's the latest on the desi AEW birds? New larger platforms were being looked at some time ago.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Bala Vignesh » 08 Feb 2017 14:19

Philip wrote:When is the MRH supposed to fly? The LUH was reported to have some engine issues,what's the latest? Plus,what's the latest on the desi AEW birds? New larger platforms were being looked at some time ago.

On the desi AEW birds, http://forceindia.net/TriumphintheEnd.aspx

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby deejay » 08 Feb 2017 17:52

Khalsa wrote:We are as bad as the IAF ...... they too have more variety of aircrafts than they deserve
:P


Deserve?

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Khalsa » 09 Feb 2017 01:54

deejay wrote:
Khalsa wrote:We are as bad as the IAF ...... they too have more variety of aircrafts than they deserve
:P


Deserve?

I am joking deejay

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Kartik » 10 Feb 2017 01:49

IAI reveals export version of Heron TP

Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) has developed an export-specific version of its Heron TP medium-altitude, long-endurance unmanned air vehicle, which will be displayed for the first time at this month's Aero India show in Bengaluru.

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IAI says the new Heron TP-XP "constitutes a multi-mission, multi-payload strategic aircraft" capable of operating in extreme weather conditions. IAI has previously supplied the Indian armed forces with its earlier, smaller Heron 1 UAV, and New Delhi had shown interest in also obtaining the TP model.

The Israeli company says it hopes to "further strengthen and deepen" its relationship with Indian partners, under the auspices of New Delhi's "Make in India" procurement policy. "Heron TP-XP is an important element in this ongoing co-operation," it says.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby RoyG » 10 Feb 2017 09:52

shiv wrote:
RoyG wrote:Resembles the Aerospatiale SA 330 Puma more than anything else.

Is that a problem?


No, is it a problem for you?

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby shiv » 10 Feb 2017 12:49

RoyG wrote:
shiv wrote:Is that a problem?


No, is it a problem for you?

Yes. In fact I was wondering if you were implying that the helo was a copy by ponting out a family resemblance.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Aditya G » 10 Feb 2017 13:59

IMRH has a clear family look shared with LUH and ALH. Thats a good thing.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby aditp » 11 Feb 2017 14:05

Bengaluru may give India its first jet engine; testing begins

BENGALURU: In about 24 weeks, Bengaluru will know if it can give India its first indigenous jet engine.
Having developed its first jet engine -successful certification of which will put India in the elite group comprising only three other countries -a Peenya team of 11 engineers and scientists is busy preparing for its certification. Only the US, Europe (as one entity) and Israel boast of jet engines.........

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Zynda » 11 Feb 2017 14:32

^^This is so cool. Probably the best news I have heard in some time. I wish them all the good luck and success. We truly need this...a player at the low end powerplant spectrum. If the engine development capability sorted out, cruise missiles, Reaper like UAVs, the applications are immense & diverse. I hope MoD/GoI encourages them by providing more funding. Also I hope some of these ITES companies like Quest, Tatas invest in these kind of ventures as well apart from shiny US/EU based OEM tie up ventures onlee.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby shiv » 11 Feb 2017 14:42

aditp wrote:Bengaluru may give India its first jet engine; testing begins

BENGALURU: In about 24 weeks, Bengaluru will know if it can give India its first indigenous jet engine.
Having developed its first jet engine -successful certification of which will put India in the elite group comprising only three other countries -a Peenya team of 11 engineers and scientists is busy preparing for its certification. Only the US, Europe (as one entity) and Israel boast of jet engines.........

Israel?

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby ranjan.rao » 11 Feb 2017 18:13

Great development! Ddm never fails to amuse

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Cosmo_R » 11 Feb 2017 18:29

shiv wrote:
Cosmo_R wrote:
HAL is trying to stay relevant. This CH stuff is nice but given that IAF needs 200-300 fighters, this is a diversion in resource terms. They would be far better off showing how they are totally focused on getting the LCA out in numbers.

Have you seen the HAL products publicity?

No Tejas there. Only Dhruv, LCH, HTT 40 and Jaguar Darin 3

Tejas is not HALs baby


Is the CH HAL's baby? If the LCA is not their baby, why do we want to trust them with it since it is apparently a crucial element in the fighter stream? Nothing about Indian defense acquisition surprises me anymore. Just asking.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby NRao » 11 Feb 2017 20:16

shiv wrote:
aditp wrote:Bengaluru may give India its first jet engine; testing begins

BENGALURU: In about 24 weeks, Bengaluru will know if it can give India its first indigenous jet engine.
Having developed its first jet engine -successful certification of which will put India in the elite group comprising only three other countries -a Peenya team of 11 engineers and scientists is busy preparing for its certification. Only the US, Europe (as one entity) and Israel boast of jet engines.........

Israel?


Israeli companies do have an effort in the area (since 2009 or so), perhaps not at this scale or for such a purpose.

Having said that this author has not been able to convey what he should have or wanted to convey.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby RoyG » 12 Feb 2017 04:41

shiv wrote:
RoyG wrote:
No, is it a problem for you?

Yes. In fact I was wondering if you were implying that the helo was a copy by ponting out a family resemblance.


Well, then ask and you shall receive! Resemblance isn't indicative of copying all the time. Akash and Sa-6 are a good example.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Indranil » 12 Feb 2017 07:25

Knock it off boys. This is completely unnecessary.


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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Viv S » 12 Feb 2017 19:53

Govt to set up panel for assessing viability of building stealth fighter with Russia

A multi-billion dollar Indian programme to co-develop a stealth fighter with Russia faces an uncertain fate with the government deciding to set up a committee to examine what the country gains from the project.

A top government source said the panel, to be headed by a three-star officer, would look into different aspects of the fifth generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) project and the technology it brings into the country to meet the air force’s future requirements.

The two countries have been discussing the project for several years but are yet to sign a $4-billion research and development (R&D) contract for the FGFA. India has already spent Rs 1,500 crore on the preliminary design stage (PDS) of the FGFA project. The PDS was completed in June 2013 on the basis of a contract inked with Russia in December 2010.

“Several things have been resolved but it is critical to assess how we benefit from the programme before making the next move. Design issues also have to be looked into,” the source said. The Indian Air Force wants the stealth fighter to have a more powerful engine as the existing one doesn’t give it super cruise capability.

A prototype called the T-50, built under the PAK-FA (Prospective Airborne Complex of Frontline Aviation) project is undergoing tests in Russia. The first prototype flew its maiden sortie in January 2010.

India has a requirement for 120-130 such swing-role planes with stealth features for increased survivability, advanced avionics, smart weapons, top-end mission computers and 360-degree situational awareness.

The ability to super cruise or sustain supersonic speeds in combat configuration without kicking in fuel-guzzling afterburners is a key Indian requirement.

Former IAF chief Air Chief Marshal Arup Raha told HT that affordability is a key issue and “we have to take a call if we want the FGFA.”

The IAF does not have sufficient number of warplanes to tackle a combined threat from China and Pakistan. The count of IAF’s fighter squadrons has shrunk to 34 compared to a desirable strength of 42, a capability gap the air force is struggling to fill.

The existing fleet consists of 14 squadrons of ageing MiG-21 and MiG-27 fighters that will be retired in phases by 2024. Each fighter squadron consists of about 18 planes.

The IAF hopes to add more muscle with the induction of French-built Rafales, the indigenous light combat aircraft, more Sukhoi-30s, the FGFA and a medium-weight warplane to be built in India in collaboration with a foreign player.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Rakesh » 13 Feb 2017 02:31

The Hindustan Turbo Trainer-40 (HTT-40) in sporting colours for its first public display flights at Aero India 2016
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4W4w6NVUAEbLjb.jpg

Does TSR in the serial number (TSR001) of the HTT-40 stand for TS Raju? Just like Tejas has KH for Kota Harinarayana?

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Karan M » 13 Feb 2017 02:46

>>“Several things have been resolved but it is critical to assess how we benefit from the programme before making the next move. Design issues also have to be looked into,” the source said. The Indian Air Force wants the stealth fighter to have a more powerful engine as the existing one doesn’t give it super cruise capability.\\

Good. LPI capabiity, all around stealth, supercruise - all things the IAF needs, even if the Russian's dont think it necessary. Days of hand me downs should be over.


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