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Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby malushahi » 21 Apr 2017 02:41

that was my understanding as well (TD2 tested at jodhpur, and not dundigal).

this may give an idea of what may be going on at jodhpur.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Kartik » 21 Apr 2017 04:21

LCA TD2 was sent to AFS Dundigal for RCS testing. From ADA's annual report

Tejas (TD2) aircraft is being utilized for RCS studies at AFS Dundigal.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Kartik » 21 Apr 2017 04:26

Indranil wrote:
Zynda wrote:In which config Indranil saar? Clean config? Or with carrying tanks + A2G weapons?

They told me what I can afford to know. I did not seek to know more because it is a burden to know and then keep quiet. They are doing that admirably. I am happy with that.

Kartik, it is more than gains from use of composites.


Did they quote any number, as to what orders lower than the MiG-21's RCS? Anyway, we knew that the MiG-21 itself has a small RCS and is hard to pick up visually as well. Remember the USAF reports on the Bisons that surprised F-15 pilots? Now with an even small RCS and ability to shoot a BVR missile while nose cold (not transmitting the radar), Tejas' cued by Su-30MKIs providing targeting info could take enemy fighters by surprise.

added later:

From the Annual report, there is mention of Development of improved RAM for the Tejas- perhaps this is also being tested at Orange facility Dundigal with the TD2 airframe.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby fanne » 21 Apr 2017 04:46

There is a quote from either ada or iaf on record saying that lca rcs is 1/3 of mirage 2000

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby malushahi » 21 Apr 2017 05:03

that does not preclude it from being tested at jodhpur previously. from 2014-15 report:

"Radar Cross Section (RCS) measurement trials completed at Defence Laboratory, Jodhpur."

in fact RAM research has been an ongoing core area for DL-J, see here.

"These facilities support the Laboratory test and development of Radar Absorbing materials and products. Base materials are characterized by their electrical parameters of permittivity and permeability at Microwave frequencies, and RAM products are measured for their Return Loss and RCS performance."

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Kartik » 21 Apr 2017 05:21

I've searched for that and found a number of blogs stating that the LCA's RCS is 1/3 that of the Mirage-2000..but not a direct IAF or ADA quote..could anyone find that?

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Indranil » 21 Apr 2017 06:47

Kartik wrote:
Indranil wrote:They told me what I can afford to know. I did not seek to know more because it is a burden to know and then keep quiet. They are doing that admirably. I am happy with that.

Kartik, it is more than gains from use of composites.


Did they quote any number, as to what orders lower than the MiG-21's RCS?

You understand my position Kartik.
1. They did not tell me. I did not want the responsibility of knowing that figure. I did not ask. All I know is that it is much lower. In RCS much lower is used when there are order(s) involved.
2. They share with me because they can trust me. I wouldn't share even if I knew. RCS of Mig-21 is very well known.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby srai » 21 Apr 2017 10:12

Indranil wrote:... RCS of Mig-21 is very well known.

Is it 3m2?


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