Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Chinmay » 07 Apr 2018 13:33

^^ That should be a typo, both in terms of sorties and aircraft.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Philip » 07 Apr 2018 13:49

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby nam » 07 Apr 2018 16:48

To prevent mis-understanding. 3k to 4k sorties per day( if true) can cause undue alarm in Paki & Chini commands.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby arun » 07 Apr 2018 19:44

X Posted from the MRCA thread.

Rakesh wrote:
arun wrote:
Lots of nuggets of information in the RFI to mull over:

REQUEST FOR INFORMATION FOR PROCUREMENT OF FIGHTER AIRCRAFT FOR THE INDIAN AIR FORCE

Link does not work.


Danged thing seems to be session related and any link bombs the next time when uses it.
Guess will have to get there by a tedious process.
Go to : Clicky
1A. In the box “Tender Type” select : Open Tender and also
1B. In the box “Tender Reference Number” type in : AIRHQ/S 18180/25/20/3/Plans
1C. Hit Search
2. Click on the content appearing below the column “Title and Ref.No./Tender ID”
3. In the box headed “Tenders Documents” towards bottom of page click on “Download as Zip File”

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby arun » 12 Apr 2018 19:55

Mahindra Defence press release regards joining hands with Shinmaywa Industries Limited to “set up MRO services / manufacturing and assembling of structural parts & components” for the US-2 Amphibious Aircraft :

Mahindra Defence and Shinmaywa Industries Limited Join Hands for US-2 Amphibious Aircraft

Tokyo / Chennai, April 11, 2018: Mahindra Defence’s Memorandum of Understanding with ShinMaywa Industries Limited, Japan, manufacturer of Amphibious Aircraft US-2 is one of the key events at Defexpo 2018, Chennai. Signing this MOU on the side lines of this event offers both the companies to join forces in order to set up MRO services / manufacturing and assembling of structural parts & components for US-2 amphibian aircraft.

ShinMaywa US-2, manufactured by Japan-based ShinMaywa Industries, is a modern amphibious aircraft is a veritable force multiplier since it fulfils a multitude of missions in a single platform. It is an unique aircraft and the only ‘in service’ open sea capable amphibian aircraft with state of art equipment, very rough sea operations (Sea state 5 up to 3m wave height), riverine/lake landing capability, STOL features, long endurance and extended radius of operations with large payload capacity. With such unique features, US-2 may be considered as an effective platform to carry out ‘Benign’ missions such as SAR, CASEVAC, Humanitarian Relief and Disaster Management, and ‘Constabulary’ missions such as extended EEZ surveillance,Maritime Domain Awareness (MDA) missions of the Indian Navy etc. The ShinMaywa US-2 fleet is deployed by Japanese Maritime Self Defence Forces across their remote islands chain for Exclusive Economic Zones protection, surveillance and Search & rescue operations.

India and Japan are now discussing the methodology of procurement of Amphibian Aircraft US-2 requirements of the Indian Navy. Both nations are working on the way forward to induct this aircraft in India.

Both ShinMaywa and Mahindra Defence have entered into this partnership with a view to set up MRO services in India and also undertake manufacturing, assembling of structural parts & components for US-2 amphibian aircraft etc. Mahindra is the only Indian private sector OEM for small aircraft which sold in many countries globally. Given their joint capabilities it is only natural that both companies have come together and are confident of delivering solutions for this aircraft as mandated by the Indian Ministry of Defence.

Mr SP Shukla, Group President, Aerospace & Defence Sector, Mahindra Group and Chairman, Mahindra Defence, said that “This partnership between two companies familiar with the aviation business is positive especially for MRO and maintenance services in the Indian defence aerospace sector. We are committed to absorbing maintenance TOT for this large amphibious aircraft in India. Our partnership will enable us to leverage our strengths and consequently this will contribute to growing Indian aerospace ecosystem.”

Mr Yasuo Kawanishi, Director, ShinMaywa Industries Limited said, “This is a versatile aircraft ideally suited for Indian conditions. The US-2 with its unmatched capability is considered to be extremely useful for strengthening the safety and security of SLOCs, long range Fleet Support and Island/Off shore assets (both overseas and coastal) support functions. These missions when combined in a single multimodal platform such as the US-2 can earn for India the precious goodwill of nations of the Indian Ocean region commensurate with its identity as a responsible rising power. Japan Maritime Defence Force have extensively used this aircraft for many years now”

This MOU also envisages both the companies to build up a strategic partnership for future versions of US-2 amphibian aircraft.

About ShinMaywa Industries

The ShinMaywa group has a product range of Aircraft, Industrial Machinery, Environmental Systems, Special Purpose Trucks and Passenger Boarding Bridges. ShinMaywa products are exported to over 100 countries around the globe, including India. Among the defence products, it manufactures the Amphibious Aircraft US-2. The ShinMaywa Group statement “Brighten Your Future” expresses the resolve of the company to contribute to a better tomorrow and the earnest desire to play an indispensable role in society.

ShinMaywa Industries Limited: website: http://www.shinmaywa.co.jp/english/

About Mahindra Defence

Mahindra Defence has companies engaged in catering to needs of all three wings of Defence forces – Army, Air Force and Navy. Their product range includes armoured vehicles, underwater warfare equipment, avionics and surveillance equipment’s etc. Mahindra Defence is also poised to enter the field of defence aviation and has interest in building helicopters and aircraft for the armed forces. Through Land Systems units in India and UAE, Mahindra Defence has been supplying customized armoured vehicles to the Indian Army, Para Military Forces and overseas customers. Naval Systems unit based in Pune has been supplying decoy & torpedo launchers, large composite structures for defence applications to the Indian Navy etc. Mahindra Defence is also engaged in Defence Electronics and Avionics through a JV with Telephonics.

Clicky

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby JayS » 12 Apr 2018 22:50

Saw HTT40 flying the other day. Any word on flight testing..? It was supposed to have finished its spin trials last year end.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Rakesh » 13 Apr 2018 00:02

arun wrote:Mahindra Defence press release regards joining hands with Shinmaywa Industries Limited to “set up MRO services / manufacturing and assembling of structural parts & components” for the US-2 Amphibious Aircraft.

Thank you arun for this info. MRO facilities are extremely important. A very good move.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Kartik » 03 May 2018 01:38

Tough bargain may halt Rs 2000 crore IAF deal for 20 Hawks

A defence deal expected to cost over Rs 2,000 crore to buy 20 Hawk Advanced Jet Trainer planes is likely to be called off by the Air Force as the negotiations for it have been stuck for almost three years now over steep price hike by the vendors.

The Air Force is also not interested in the upgrade of its fleet of over 120 Hawk planes that were inducted into service after a deal with Britain in 2004. The HAL is offering to upgrade the Hawk fleet of the Air Force to Hawk India jets by adding combat capabilities, government sources told Mail Today.

"The benchmark price of each aircraft was around Rs 90 crore but the initial price offered by the vendors including the public sector Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) was more than double," the sources said.

"In the contract negotiations, the vendors have cut down the price but even now, the price offered is more than 60 per cent of what the defence ministry is willing to pay for the planes," they said.

Another reason over which the deal may be called off is that due to government's directive for utilising the funds optimally, the priority of the ministry is to buy more of war fighting equipment rather than go in for systems that do not fit that bill, the sources said.

On the newly-developed Hawk India jet showcased by HAL recently, sources said there was not much logic in going in for upgrade of IAF fleet of Hawk planes which have been inducted not long back. "The last of the Hawks were inducted only around three years ago in the force and the upgrades are not required at this moment," the sources said.

The IAF had moved the proposal to buy these 20 planes from a British firm during the UPA regime as it wanted to replace the Kiran Mk 2 planes with the Hawk Advanced Jet Training jets to be equipped with smoking pots to fly with the Surya Kiran Aerobatic Team (SKAT).

The contract for the last batch of 57 planes was done between India and the British firm in 2010 to help in the training programmes of the Air Force and the Navy to add to the existing fleet of 66 planes bought in 2004.

The deal for the 20 airplanes has gone through many problems earlier also as the file related to the procurement case had mysteriously gone missing from a department under the defence ministry in 2014 leading to a delay of more than a year in completing the lapsed process.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Indranil » 03 May 2018 10:19

This is such a golden chance to develop HJT-39 with two HTFE 25 engines. Trainer cum light attack. They have fifteen years before IAF will look in this direction again.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby tsarkar » 03 May 2018 10:47


That is how foreign companies swindle India. And PSU's like HAL join the gravy train.

India has huge training needs for IAF, IN, IA, ICG, BSF. Our training fleet is too tied up to be used for any other activities like ground attack.

Especially during war, its the pool of trained pilots that makes a difference, and training fleet needs to focus more on it during wartime.

In WW2 the Allies trained more pilots than Germany and Japan that neglected this vital activity.

But BAe and MBDA are pushing for improved Hawk or Combat Hawk along with Shiv Aroor shamelessly promoting Brimstone and ASRAAM for Hawk when IAF simply doesnt want it.

"In the contract negotiations, the vendors have cut down the price but even now, the price offered is more than 60 per cent of what the defence ministry is willing to pay for the planes," they said.

Another reason over which the deal may be called off is that due to government's directive for utilising the funds optimally, the priority of the ministry is to buy more of war fighting equipment rather than go in for systems that do not fit that bill, the sources said.

On the newly-developed Hawk India jet showcased by HAL recently, sources said there was not much logic in going in for upgrade of IAF fleet of Hawk planes which have been inducted not long back. "The last of the Hawks were inducted only around three years ago in the force and the upgrades are not required at this moment," the sources said.


Well done IAF and MOD!

smoking pots

That is a Freudian Slip of what a journalist's mind registers when he hears/learns about Smoke / Smokewinder Pods

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Kakarat » 03 May 2018 11:40

IAF should consider more Tejas Trainers for AJT roll, even Singapore seems to be considering Tejas Trainers for their airforce

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Philip » 03 May 2018 13:38

If the IJT isn't anywhere on the horizon, have an alternative option to the Hawk.The Yak-130 AJT which was developed for the Italians too as the Alenia Aermacchi M-346 Master.It has a much better thrust to weight ration than the Hawk too.In an earlier issue of Vayu,an IAF pilot who flew it raved about its handling,etc.With some hard bargaining,the IAF could get it for less than the mentioned $15M (90cr),the benchmark price mentioned.

Wiki:
Yak-130
Yakovlev Yak- 130 (modify).jpg
Role Advanced trainer / Light fighter
National origin Russia
Manufacturer Irkut Corporation
Design group Yakovlev
First flight 25 April 1996[1]
Introduction 19 February 2010[2]
Status Active
Primary users Russian Air Force
Bangladesh Air Force
Algerian Air Force
Syrian Air Force
Number built 140+ in 2017
Unit cost
$15 million


Developed into Alenia Aermacchi M-346 Master
The Yakovlev Yak-130 (NATO reporting name: Mitten)[8] is a subsonic two-seat advanced jet trainer originally developed by Yakovlev and Aermacchi. It has also been marketed as a potential light attack aircraft. Development of the plane began in 1991 and the maiden flight was conducted on 25 April 1996. In 2002, it won a Russian government tender for training aircraft and in 2009 the aircraft entered service with the Russian Air Force. As an advanced training aircraft, the Yak-130 is able to replicate the characteristics of several 4+ generation fighters as well as the fifth-generation Sukhoi Su-57. It can also perform light-attack and reconnaissance duties, carrying a combat load of 3,000 kg.

Yak-130 has nine hard points: two wingtip, six under-wing and one under-fuselage.


PS:Other considerations too for the Hawk deal to go through.The extra Hawks must also come with the following features,delivery within 7 days of signing the deal:
The Kingfisher beer-bomb (aka Vijay Mallya ),the LM-Light Munition (Lalit Modi ) and the NM (Nirav Modi) BVR AAM.A unique stealth missile ,very hard to locate and track!
:rotfl:

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Manish_P » 03 May 2018 14:03

Philip wrote:As an advanced training aircraft, the Yak-130 is able to replicate the characteristics of several 4+ generation fighters as well as the fifth-generation Sukhoi Su-57.


What charecteristics of the Su-57 is the Yak able to replicate?

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

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Manish_P wrote:
Philip wrote:As an advanced training aircraft, the Yak-130 is able to replicate the characteristics of several 4+ generation fighters as well as the fifth-generation Sukhoi Su-57.


What charecteristics of the Su-57 is the Yak able to replicate?


Think its only to do with the "Digital Cockpit" and Data/Network Centric training

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Manish_P » 03 May 2018 17:26

Yes. Could be. IIRC Shiv ji had given me an idea about this once earlier. I was specifically curious about the Su-57 part since i assumed that it was still under development and testing and the full flight envelope was still not open.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Philip » 03 May 2018 19:28

The PC-21 can also replicate the same of sev. jet fighters
even though it is not a jet.Read some years ago an excellent report on it by the editor of Flight Intl., but it is less capable in the light attack role and also cost $20M a pop when compared with just $15M for the Yak-130!

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Philip » 03 May 2018 19:36

There's an interesting piece about the Yak in the National Interest site as a good LIFT and light attack bird .

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Indranil » 03 May 2018 20:37

Philip saab,

1. The answer to all of India's woes is not yet another Russian ware.
2. You should spend a little more time to find out the price of a Yak-130 trainer. Wiki is not accurate. E.g. The Yak-130 used to be 15 million per plane in 2011. In 2014, the Bangladeshis bought their 24 Yak-130 for 800 million in 2014! It's 2018 now.
3. The Yak 130 was offered to IAF in AI'13, and rejected.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Manish_P » 03 May 2018 20:53

News reports about 24 aircraft bought by Bangladesh for around 800 million USD. Probably with munitions included.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby ramana » 03 May 2018 21:49

Manish_P wrote:
Philip wrote:As an advanced training aircraft, the Yak-130 is able to replicate the characteristics of several 4+ generation fighters as well as the fifth-generation Sukhoi Su-57.


What charecteristics of the Su-57 is the Yak able to replicate?



its invisible in Indian skies.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Indranil » 03 May 2018 22:03

Manish_P wrote:News reports about 24 aircraft bought by Bangladesh for around 800 million USD. Probably with munitions included.

Correct. The flyaway cost of each Yak-130 to BAngladesh was kept a secret, but it got leaked when their first Yak-130 crashed, and people started question whether the options for the 8 extra should be exercised or not. Puportedly, the flyaway cost of each plane was around $23.75 M.

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Manish_P wrote:What charecteristics of the Su-57 is the Yak able to replicate?

its invisible in Indian skies.

As mush as I love the Su-57, that is a good one!

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby JayS » 03 May 2018 23:42

Any word of HTT40 flight testing lately guys..? Havent heard about that spin test.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Haridas » 04 May 2018 10:04

Philip wrote:If the IJT isn't anywhere on the horizon, have an alternative option to the Hawk.The Yak-130 AJT which was developed for the Italians too as the Alenia Aermacchi M-346 Master.It has a much better thrust to weight ration than the Hawk too.In an earlier issue of Vayu,an IAF pilot who flew it raved about its handling,etc.With some hard bargaining,the IAF could get it for less than the mentioned $15M (90cr),the benchmark price mentioned.

Wiki:
Yak-130
Yakovlev Yak- 130 (modify).jpg
Role Advanced trainer / Light fighter
National origin Russia
....
Unit cost
$15 million

Philip ji, do you recall the unit price for the Indian DPSA (deep penetration strike aircraft) bid that was launched after killing Marut? Viggen, Jaguar, Mirage F1 were in the race, and leamon was bought! In 1978.
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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Manish_P » 04 May 2018 10:08

ramana wrote:
Manish_P wrote:
What charecteristics of the Su-57 is the Yak able to replicate?



its invisible in Indian skies.


:D Yes, so it is.. at present anyway

Who knows a future iteration might feature an Active adaptive camoflage system ala the Avengers air carrier :)

Seriously though, i am very keen to learn more about this ability of recent lead in trainers, to mimic flight characteristics of a whole lot of aircrafts, almost at the push of a few buttons. For example, if the trainer is a single engine traditional wing aircraft then to what extent would it be able to mimic the flight charecteristics of a twin engined delta wing fighter having canards. Would be very thankful if some Gurus here will point me to some good reading material on the same.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Philip » 04 May 2018 15:51

In retrospect, I wonder which of the 3 birds would've lasted this long? Viggen subject to US sanctions over engines.F-1 Was never a classic delta winged Mirage and its earlier Mirage-3s are still- as in Pak in combat service.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Philip » 05 May 2018 11:25

The Italians have ordered another 16 M-346, their version of the Yak and amazingly are training pilots from sev.NATO nations as well as those from the US and Israel!
So it is ironic that pilots from opposing camps are being trained on the Yak-130/M-346!

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Haridas » 05 May 2018 11:28

The DPSA unit cost was $18 million. The junk had to be updated by IAF (on its own penny) by DARIN lead by Air Cdr. TK Sen (on BR forum Abhibushan sir) to be of any practical use.
It (oem eqpt) had dual computer (for redundency) and had memory of ~6KByte, one can imagine how pathatic it was.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Singha » 05 May 2018 12:26

they also had to replace the adour 803 with 811 in the old days by paying more to RR/BA. but overall it has proven a rugged and reliable a/c despite its high risk lo-lo-lo flight profile. in the days before big advances in FCS made delta wings workable at low-alt, the high wing loaded jaguar and tornado types were what worked best - stable and fast at low level.

the Viggen is a better a/c than jaguar but the US would have played games with its engine for sure.

and it had accurate CCIP bombing and LRF from day1. plus a considerable payload for its size. a better nav-attack system than anything in IAF bar the m2k later.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Austin » 05 May 2018 14:12

Seems the modernised Mig-29UPG can carry the Kh-35U Anti-Ship Missile

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Austin » 05 May 2018 14:16

Haridas wrote:The DPSA unit cost was $18 million. The junk had to be updated by IAF (on its own penny) by DARIN lead by Air Cdr. TK Sen (on BR forum Abhibushan sir) to be of any practical use.
It (oem eqpt) had dual computer (for redundency) and had memory of ~6KByte, one can imagine how pathatic it was.


Haridas , Mfor its time it was good the computer and memory.

Jags were extensively tested in UK before purchasing and for its time it was a great DPSA which IAF wanted but as with any systems something shortcomings in Indian conditions show up only after years of squadron service and due course of time.

DARIN along with issue with Power ( high derating with RR engine during hot months in Western Sector ) were the two shortcoming observed the former is taken care while the latter will remain an issue till they replace it with a higher power engine or a flat rated one

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Philip » 05 May 2018 15:26

Upgraded new IL-78 tankers are now being delivered.A VAYU for it days that apart from gen.improvements, 2 additional fuel tanks can be carried and all refuelling eqpt
removed for cargo/ transport usage..

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Haridas » 05 May 2018 21:35

Austin wrote:Haridas , Mfor its time it was good the computer and memory.

Jags were extensively tested in UK before purchasing and for its time it was a great DPSA which IAF wanted but as with any systems something shortcomings in Indian conditions show up only after years of squadron service and due course of time.

DARIN along with issue with Power ( high derating with RR engine during hot months in Western Sector ) were the two shortcoming observed the former is taken care while the latter will remain an issue till they replace it with a higher power engine or a flat rated one

What is your basis to assert that the Jaguars attack electronics deficiency was discovered after years of Sqn service? I for one discussed the attack computer capabelity with IAF AEB examiner (most capable pilot), to scope my M.Tech project to design n impliment fault tolerant INS and mission computer with common spare for redundency. The OEM computer had questionable failure rate and performance issue. IIRC the second Sqn onwards locally made stopped using OEM parts switching to DARIN instead.
Abhibushan saar can for sure comment most authoritatively as he was the father of DARIN.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Haridas » 05 May 2018 21:49

^^^ forgot to mention my project examiner was Air Marshal Khurana who was very impressed and asked for an extra spare copy of the thesis.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Indranil » 05 May 2018 23:07

You are very right on this Haridas ji. RAF had communicated to IAF that the Marconi system had abysmal reliability. Even before that India had tried the system for the HF-24 and rejected it. Therefore, HAL was tasked with Darin from day 1.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Austin » 05 May 2018 23:15

Haridas wrote:
Austin wrote:Haridas , Mfor its time it was good the computer and memory.

Jags were extensively tested in UK before purchasing and for its time it was a great DPSA which IAF wanted but as with any systems something shortcomings in Indian conditions show up only after years of squadron service and due course of time.

DARIN along with issue with Power ( high derating with RR engine during hot months in Western Sector ) were the two shortcoming observed the former is taken care while the latter will remain an issue till they replace it with a higher power engine or a flat rated one

What is your basis to assert that the Jaguars attack electronics deficiency was discovered after years of Sqn service? I for one discussed the attack computer capabelity with IAF AEB examiner (most capable pilot), to scope my M.Tech project to design n impliment fault tolerant INS and mission computer with common spare for redundency. The OEM computer had questionable failure rate and performance issue. IIRC the second Sqn onwards locally made stopped using OEM parts switching to DARIN instead.
Abhibushan saar can for sure comment most authoritatively as he was the father of DARIN.


I read in a older Vayu Mag so recollecting from there , How is that Jags performing so well in Ground Mission even beating then modern F-16A in many red flag exercise if the electronic are so poor.

Like its Engine the electronics has to probably do with Indian hot/high environmental conditions/Tropical climate leading to higher failure rate and lack of reliability .....this is JMT

Reminds me of the Westland 30 helicopter deal we did only to find that chopper does not work well in Indian conditions and all had to be mothballed

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Haridas » 06 May 2018 07:04

^^^
1. The second redundent computer appeared to give some semblance of reliability.
2. Magazines are well ..... magazines, always available for paid advertising or opinion making/shaping (dreamcasting). In today's world of course it is as good as presstitute.
3. Reality is closer if one has an inside track/ embedded contacts or family. Or good fortune to hear it from the horses mouth like Air Cdr Sen. In this case I had good fortune to have all. Not to mention I had some skill in related avionics engineering domain.

As I think in retrospect, DPSA Jaguar was a big hit job on India and indian Aero industry growing around HF-24.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Singha » 06 May 2018 10:29

i have a magazine of the IAF 50th anniversary around 1982 and it has a glowing and long article on the jaguar.

the cover itself had 4 jags in 2 + 2 formation ripping a convoy with cluster bombs in a tibetish terrain - great artwork

should I photograph those pages and host it somewhere ?

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Austin » 06 May 2018 10:37

Yes please , I recollect reading the first time jags and F-16A went at red flag ex the jags swept the floor in ground attack mission

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Haridas » 06 May 2018 10:39

Singha wrote:i have a magazine of the IAF 50th anniversary around 1982 and it has a glowing and long article on the jaguar.

the cover itself had 4 jags in 2 + 2 formation ripping a convoy with cluster bombs in a tibetish terrain - great artwork

There is a crude saying: when rape is inevitable, better enjoy it.
Those days in 1982 all articles were in praise of what you have, rather than what is wrong with what you have. Of course much later western paid articles created the "flying coffin" hype on any thing whose name starts with MiG. :roll: (no problem if BaE Hawk jet crashes)


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