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Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Indranil » 21 Sep 2015 20:37

Link to last post of previous incarnation of this thread.

This thread is about Indian Military Aviation. Let us keep it that way.

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Postby Denis » 22 Sep 2015 14:26

Govt clears multi-billion dollar deal for military helicopters with Boeing

Cabinet approves deal for 22 Apaches (AH 64D Longbow) and 15 Chinnoks with furher Options for 11 Apache and 4 chinooks.

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Postby Aditya_V » 22 Sep 2015 15:03

Down from USd 3.5 Billion to USD 2.5 Billion for both. looks like some hard negotiating took place or the numbers have been cut.

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Postby shaun » 22 Sep 2015 15:42

^^^ or are the longbow missing..

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Postby Denis » 22 Sep 2015 16:00

^^^ The numbers for the past few months have been consistent at 2.5 Billion USD in various published reports. Where did you get the figures of 3.5 Billion USD? Am I missing anything here?

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Postby Philip » 23 Sep 2015 10:04

Finally.Kudos to the DM/GOI for taking a final decision-long pending.There should be a time limit for def deals once the initial decision has been taken,weapon system selected,so that the price factor can be constant and remain within budgetary figures.If alloted funds are not spent within a fiscal year,they should be added to the budget for the next year.The PSC on Defence/NSAB could act as watchdogs to monitor delays and report to the CCS when necessary.

The Apaches once vetted out in the Indian environment,could give the LCH designers a few ideas where we could if need be add a few improvements.Chinooks very welcome for the Himalayan ops ,but just 12 may not be enough.Revamping/modernising our MI-26s too would retain the v.heavt lift capacity that they possess.

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Postby srin » 23 Sep 2015 12:06

The difference in the number could be because of offset obligations. $2.5B for straight FMS (at US procurement prices) and the rest is for 30% offset that Boeing need to plough back in.

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Postby Aditya_V » 23 Sep 2015 12:47

Denis wrote:^^^ The numbers for the past few months have been consistent at 2.5 Billion USD in various published reports. Where did you get the figures of 3.5 Billion USD? Am I missing anything here?


3.5 Billion has been bandied about, somethign like 2.2 billion for Apaches and 1.4 billion for the Chinooks, see reports from late 2013 to early 2015.

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Postby brar_w » 23 Sep 2015 15:04

Aditya_V wrote:Down from USd 3.5 Billion to USD 2.5 Billion for both. looks like some hard negotiating took place or the numbers have been cut.


Reporters can print whatever they want but from various sources one does gather that the price has remained unchanged since the same 2013 price was extended multiple times at the request of the MOD while details of the offset were being hashed out. Therefore it is highly unlikely that the price which had been extended was brought down through negotiations that as per most reports focused on hammering out the offset clauses and associated paper work.

The Apache package is likely to cost around $1.4 Billion as has been previously reported. Also I think I read somewhere that about half the cost is for the 2 helicopter types while the remaining half is for weapons, training, logistics and possible long term PBL contract.

The DSCA Notification

WASHINGTON, December 27, 2010 – The Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress on December 22 of a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of India of various engines, equipment, weapons, training, parts and logistical support for a possible Direct Commercial Sale of 22 AH-64D Block III Apache helicopters. The complete package is worth approximately $1.4 billion.

The Government of India has requested proposals from several foreign suppliers, including the United States, to provide the next generation attack helicopter for the Indian Air Force. In this competition, the Government of India has yet to select the Boeing-United States Army proposal. This notification is being made in advance so that, in the event that the Boeing- U.S. Army proposal is selected, the United States might move as quickly as possible to implement the sale. If the Government of India selects the Boeing-U.S. Army proposal, the Government of India will request a possible sale of 50 T700-GE-701D engines, 12 AN/APG-78 Fire Control Radars, 12 AN/APR-48A Radar Frequency Interferometers, 812 AGM-114L-3 HELLFIRE LONGBOW missiles, 542 AGM-114R-3 HELLFIRE II missiles, 245 STINGER Block I-92H missiles, and 23 Modernized Target Acquisition Designation Sight/Pilot Night Vision Sensors, rockets, training and dummy missiles, 30mm ammunition, transponders, simulators, global positioning system/inertial navigation systems, communication equipment, spare and repair parts; tools and test equipment, support equipment, repair and return support, personnel training and training equipment; publications and technical documentation, U.S. Government and contractor engineering and logistics support services; and other related elements of logistics support to be provided in conjunction with a proposed direct commercial sale of 22 AH-64D Block III APACHE Helicopters. The estimated cost is $1.4 billion.


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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby JE Menon » 23 Sep 2015 17:42

The Apache-Chinook deal will involve $1 bn in offset investment, and 50% of the production will be exported - Defmin Parrikar as per DD news.

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Postby brar_w » 23 Sep 2015 18:21

Economic times puts the cost at $1.4 (Apache+weapons+support etc)+$1.1 Billion (Chinook+support)

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Postby Vipul » 24 Sep 2015 05:24

Nod for Rs 8,000 crore Air Force radar system.

The Cabinet Committee on Security, apart from the $3 billion purchase of Apache and Chinook helicopters from the US, on Tuesday also cleared an almost Rs 8,000 crore project for extension of the IAF's fully-automated air surveillance and defence network to the entire country.

The IAF has already established five nodes of the IACCS (integrated air command and control system) in the western sector facing Pakistan at Barnala (Punjab), Wadsar (Gujarat), Aya Nagar (Delhi), Jodhpur (Rajasthan) and Ambala (Haryana) with help from defence PSU Bharat Electronics.

Now, as was first reported by TOI, four new major nodes and 10 sub-nodes will come up under Phase-II of the IACCS. While three nodes will be in eastern, central and southern India, the fourth is meant for the strategically-located Andaman and Nicobar Islands archipelago.

By progressive integration of all airborne and ground-based civilian and military radars around the country, the aim is to ensure any intrusion by a hostile aircraft, helicopter, drone or micro-light can be detected and tackled as soon as it takes place. "The composite air picture will be available in real-time at centralised locations and the national command post," said a source.

Some of the new nodes will be located in underground complexes to improve survivability in face of enemy attacks, even as the entire IACCS infrastructure is also being upgraded with advanced early-warning, jam-resistant radars and the like.

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Postby kmkraoind » 24 Sep 2015 10:24

Government clears Rs 8000 crore IAF's Integrated Air Command & Control System

NEW DELHI: The government has cleared the proposal for a nearly Rs 8,000-crore project for IAF's Integrated Air Command and Control System ( IACCS), which aims at integrating all ground and air sensors.

Defence sources said the Cabinet Committee on Security, which met here yesterday, cleared the proposal that was sanctioned by the Defence Acquisition Council in November last.

Once the system is in place, the air headquarters will get a composite air situation picture since it will be integrating Air Force, Army, Naval and civilian radars.

The IAF currently has five sector headquarters (nodes) of communication and the plan is to have four more, besides establishment of 10 sub-nodes and up-gradation of the entire system.


As part of this, the new command and control system will be set up and integrated with the existing ground and air sensors and air defence systems.

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Postby kvraghavaiah » 24 Sep 2015 10:53

Very good news.

Long awaited spin and stall test of HAL IJT Sitara (HJT 36) is happenning now.
http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp ... 631349.ece

This enables IJT Sitara to enter service soon.
I can see IJT making a lot of sorties over the skies of Bengaluru for the last few days.

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Postby deejay » 24 Sep 2015 13:50

^^^ Wow!

Shiv Sir, probably this information will interest you:

I was just driving down on the Martoli road (road behind HAL airport) and saw a Saras with engines on being tested on ground. This was behind the Wind Tunnel facility and they had stopped traffic with gates open and hence had a clear view. ST 7001 tail number in Air Force grey.

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Postby Austin » 24 Sep 2015 14:11

Wishing All Sucess to HAL with Spin & Stall Test , I feel we are close to IJT induction now and all test are carried out quietly.

What is happening with Saras these days , How much it has progressed in its flight testing

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Postby Philip » 24 Sep 2015 15:20

Flipping through some recent issues of various def mags,some reports say that the IAF has almost decided to scrap the need for an IJT,as is the case with many other air forces,and use just the PC-7s for basic and Hawks for advanced training. Even if the IJT "arrives" sometime early next year after clearing spin trials whatever,rounds of further rigorous testing by the IAF and low prod. rates will delay any worthwhile induction .If the IAF goes in for a 2-trainer policy,it will also require some modifying of its trg. routine.

Another report says that with the MMRCA deal dumped,hiking the availability of MKIs (upwards of 50%),will help substantially.Fast tracking another 120+ LCAs .Let's see what eventually happens.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Singha » 24 Sep 2015 15:31

the 10day deadline for mmrca deal came and went as usual.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Cosmo_R » 24 Sep 2015 17:37

Singha wrote:the 10day deadline for mmrca deal came and went as usual.


It's a rolling deadline

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Philip » 24 Sep 2015 18:18

Like the terrorists on death row in Indian prisons! perhaps we could call this babudom's "infinite deadlines"

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby shiv » 24 Sep 2015 19:54

deejay wrote:I was just driving down on the Martoli road (road behind HAL airport) and saw a Saras with engines on being tested on ground. This was behind the Wind Tunnel facility and they had stopped traffic with gates open and hence had a clear view. ST 7001 tail number in Air Force grey.

Oh wow! Now that is news.

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Postby shiv » 24 Sep 2015 19:56

kvraghavaiah wrote:Very good news.

Long awaited spin and stall test of HAL IJT Sitara (HJT 36) is happenning now.
http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp ... 631349.ece

This enables IJT Sitara to enter service soon.
I can see IJT making a lot of sorties over the skies of Bengaluru for the last few days.

kvraghavaiahji - that news is from Sept 9th. Already posted here But the titbit about the sorties is encouraging indeed.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby JTull » 24 Sep 2015 20:44

Saras in Air Force grey? Pictures please!

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Indranil » 24 Sep 2015 21:38

deejay wrote:I was just driving down on the Martoli road (road behind HAL airport) and saw a Saras with engines on being tested on ground. This was behind the Wind Tunnel facility and they had stopped traffic with gates open and hence had a clear view. ST 7001 tail number in Air Force grey.

Why, of why would you not take a picture or video for the poor souls here? :((

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Karan M » 24 Sep 2015 22:51

Some interesting though uncorroborated stuff here - the 11 aerostat radars, if correct, will be a huge step up:
http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation ... 36886.html

Govt okays technological leap for IAF
Ajay Banerjee

Tribune News Service
New Delhi, September 23

In a technological leap for the Indian Air Force, the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS), headed by Prime Minister Narendra Modi, on Tuesday okayed an integrated network for the Indian Air Force (IAF).

The network, a mix of surveillance platforms, integrates the ability to use data and images in real time across many battlefields. At the heart of this will be the pan-India integrated air command, control and communications system (IACCCS). The CCS approved the last leg of integrating the nodes of the IACCS and soon it will cover the air space over the entire country and island territories by integrating all resoures.

This is an IAF-owned, operated, fully secure, reliable network that will use the AF-Net an optic-fibre based network created in collaboration with US-based Cisco Systems, HCL Infosystems Ltd and Bharat Sanchar Nigam Limited.

The IACCS, by using the AFNet, will receive at a central place, direct real-time feeds from existing space-based overhead reconnaissance satellites, ground-based and aerostat-mounted ballistic missile early warning radars and high-altitude-long-endurance unmanned aerial vehicles, and manned airborne early warning & control (AEW&C) platforms.

A quick transfer of data will mean real-time transportation of images, data and voice from satellites, aircraft and ground stations to battlefield commanders. It will also help in early warning and response aspects of a layered two-tier ballistic missile defence (BMD) network that is now under development by DRDO.


For the IACCCS to be successful, gathering of surveillance and sending it to a central control room is key.

The IAF now has all-weather low- and medium-level airspace surveillance for this 67 new low-level air transportable radars (LLTR) are being added in phases. New -generation S-band long-range surveillance radars (LRSR) will be mated with the IACCCS and IAF now has 11 of the Israel’s ELTA -built L-band ‘Airstar’ aerostat-mounted high-power radars (HPR).

Also the added advantage will be the integration of Airborne Warning & Control Systems (AWACS) aircraft — a rotodome platform from Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) fitted onto the Russian transporter the IL-76. The plane, once airborne, can beam in pictures and videos of any troop build up or aircraft movement besides being able to pick up airborne threats 1000 kms away.

Three such planes have been delivered; two more are in the pipeline and the IAF wants another five. The software of the onboard systems has already been mated to the IACCS as well as other aircraft and aerostats. The IACCS will also be mated with aerial reconnaissance pods procured from Israel.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby member_22539 » 25 Sep 2015 04:55

^Why no interest in additional Embarer AEW&CS aircraft?

The delivery of six additional systems ordered in October 2010 is to begin from 2015. In June 2010, it was reported that the Indian Air Force is said to be looking at acquiring up to 20 additional systems, in addition to the existing systems on order


This is what wikipedia says, any truth to this?

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Viv S » 25 Sep 2015 05:53

Israel to expand AEW fleet for India

10 SEPTEMBER, 2015 BY: ARIE EGOZI, TEL AVIV

India will acquire a further two Ilyushin Il-76 transports adapted to carry Israeli-made Phalcon type airborne early warning (AEW) radars and sensors.

According to an Indian source, the aircraft have already being purchased from Uzbekistan by Israel Aerospace Industries, and are being prepared for the surveillance role at the facilities of the Tashkent Mechanical Plant in Taganrog in co-operation with Beriev.

AEW radars provided by IAI's Elta Systems division will be installed in the aircraft in Israel, along with the other sensors that comprise the Phalcon system. Sources indicate that India will receive an upgraded system, which will have a "smooth interface" with the one already installed in its air force's three operational examples.

In 2004, India purchased three Il-76 aircraft that were converted to AEW platforms. These were delivered between 2009 and 2011. New Delhi's contract also includes an option for additional aircraft.

IAI declines to comment on the follow-on contract.


- Flight International


I'm not altogether convinced though. Very little from the Indian media, which is invariably first on scene when a new story breaks. And I can't think of any reason why the GoI/MoD/IAF want to keep such a major deal confidential.

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Postby shaun » 25 Sep 2015 07:42

Such a highly sensitive asset will remain confidential like the nuclear subs of navy. How many desi pics we have for Phalcon.
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Postby shaun » 25 Sep 2015 08:15

Karan Saab ,

was looking at the SIPRI data on EL/M-2083 APR , the break up is given below
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If we take the base price of each system to be $28.5 M from the last deal , than the first deal for 2 systems at $145 M seems too costly. For $145 M , we can get approx , 5 systems. So in 2002 if we have 05 nos , in 2008 04 nos and in 2009 02 Nos , it makes a grand total of 11 such systems and thus collaborating with the news above.

Now some old news :
May 14 2007 TNN
"India to acquire 4 more Aerostats to track air spies ....The four more Aerostat radars is a follow-on order to the successful deployment of the two EL/M-2083 Aerostat radars, inducted from Israel in 2004-2005, along the border in Kutch region and Punjab. In all, IAF has projected a requirement of 13 Aerostat radars, with each one capable of providing three-dimensional low-altitude coverage equal to 30-40 ground-based radars. Incidentally, Pakistan too is acquiring six Aerostat L-88 radar systems from the US in an estimated $155-million deal."http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/India-to-acquire-4-more-Aerostats-to-track-air-spies/articleshow/2041886.cms

From the above report , it seems the delivery date of first 02 nos EL/M 2083 is wrong as the same was already delivered by 2004-05 itself and i guess the rest 03 Nos, delivered by 2007-08. So taking this assumption , Total 05 nos were deployed from 2004 to 2008 .

NB:- If for coastal surveillance , they mount the radar in some other platform then the above calculation will totally go wrong as the $28.5 M figure includes both the Aerostat and radar.

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Postby Viv S » 25 Sep 2015 10:17

Shaun wrote:Such a highly sensitive asset will remain confidential like the nuclear subs of navy. How many desi pics we have for Phalcon.


We've got plenty of Phalcon pics. But what I was referring to here is the contract for follow-on Phalcons. Even a genuinely secret project (ATV) was an open secret for years. There's no reason why the IAF would attempt to secretly induct the aircraft, after an open acquisition of the previous units. It would go throught the same cycle viz.approval from MoD/DAC, MoF, CCS, etc, before a contract could be signed.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby srin » 25 Sep 2015 10:39

I haven't been following Saras since the crash and things went relatively quiet. Always thought it was a civilian aircraft.

What's the proposed role of Saras in IAF ? How is it better than say Dornier 228 ?

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Postby shaun » 25 Sep 2015 11:02

Viv S wrote:We've got plenty of Phalcon pics. But what I was referring to here is the contract for follow-on Phalcons. Even a genuinely secret project (ATV) was an open secret for years. There's no reason why the IAF would attempt to secretly induct the aircraft, after an open acquisition of the previous units. It would go throught the same cycle viz.approval from MoD/DAC, MoF, CCS, etc, before a contract could be signed.

There was some pics of IL-76 in parts on a barge to be assembled for IAF. News or not ,2 additional phalcon are confirmed . May be lack of news is because it is follow on order and anyway unlike fighter a/c , acquisitions of Radar and sensors from foreign source , the news get filtered and some time kept secret even by the supplier. See the above posts on EL/M 2083 , we heard for may years that we have 2 systems and will be acquiring more with another 2 after mumbai carnage and suddenly the news we have 11 such systems.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Karan M » 25 Sep 2015 11:32

Agree, the two Phalcons are confirmed. The 11 one, per the data you dug up may be slightly lower. 11 may be total IAF requirement.

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Postby Karan M » 25 Sep 2015 11:33

IAF should seriously explore getting these onto our Su-30 MKIs. No need for a big public program pissing off the Russians. Hush hush, black ops only getting a few squadrons of the Flankers retrofitted with these and the Derby-ER and Python-5, plus an integrated Israeli EW fit, even if it means completely replacing the existing Russian avionics system (full compatibility). If silver bullets are needed and the Rafale is a long way away, out of the box solutions must be explored.

ELTA 2052
http://www.iai.co.il/Sip_Storage//FILES/7/41417.pdf

Vast majority of IAF fleet can remain on the Russian/Russo-Indian hybrid path. Some 3 squadrons of Flankers equipped with the latest AESA kits double quick plus all up improvements w/long range BVR will provide the IAF a capability to tear the heart out of an opponents AEW&C force, hedge against till a FGFA derived Su-30 upgrade is available, and allow the IAF to strike critical nodes. Instead of offsets ask for local TOT rights for a range of specific munitions to drive down cost and allow procurement in number.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby rohitvats » 25 Sep 2015 11:50

Karan - I'm not too sure about the 11 Aerostat thing. I'm aware of only two such units being delivered and of these one had suffered from technical and maintenance related issues. 11 is a pretty huge number. Another important point - the IACCS nodes mentioned are the same as location of the EL/M-2084 'Arudhra' radar series. I think we'd contracted nine of these from Israel with DRDO working on local stuff for more orders.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Karan M » 25 Sep 2015 11:58

Exactly, I think only 4 more were ordered. The 11 is the total requirement. Very interesting point regarding Arudhra and IACCS node placements. Wheels within wheels. Biggest issue with aerostats is mobility. At wartime, they are vulnerable, albeit IAF will ring them with SAMs and other protective cover.

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby deejay » 25 Sep 2015 14:04

indranilroy wrote:
deejay wrote:I was just driving down on the Martoli road (road behind HAL airport) and saw a Saras with engines on being tested on ground. This was behind the Wind Tunnel facility and they had stopped traffic with gates open and hence had a clear view. ST 7001 tail number in Air Force grey.

Why, of why would you not take a picture or video for the poor souls here? :((


Security signaled to keep the phone down. I obeyed like a true disciplined fauji. :((

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Viv S » 25 Sep 2015 18:50

Shaun wrote:There was some pics of IL-76 in parts on a barge to be assembled for IAF. News or not ,2 additional phalcon are confirmed . May be lack of news is because it is follow on order and anyway unlike fighter a/c , acquisitions of Radar and sensors from foreign source , the news get filtered and some time kept secret even by the supplier. See the above posts on EL/M 2083 , we heard for may years that we have 2 systems and will be acquiring more with another 2 after mumbai carnage and suddenly the news we have 11 such systems.


The last set of Phalcons costed us over $350 mil apiece. With upgrades and inflation, this contract will be priced well over $1 billion (possible upto $1.5bn). There's no way a deal that size just slips through the media net.

Also, as of Feb this year the contract was unsigned. So I remain sceptical about reports suggesting that the Il-76 platforms have already been bought.

India is close to finalizing several major defence deals with Israel, including the ones for two additional Phalcon AWACS (airborne warning and control systems) and four aerostat radars, together worth well over $1.5 billion (Rs 9,330 crore). - Feb 17, 2015

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Re: Indian Military Aviation - 21 Sept 2015

Postby Karan M » 26 Sep 2015 02:26

Phalcon is a done deal more or less with IAI already doing the conversions.

Cybaru wrote:Translation by googe. Link given by Austin on previous page:

Two IL-76 driven in Taganrog for alterations in the A-50EI

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November 2nd, 2014

Russian company "CB Trans", specializing in the transport of oversized, heavy and oversize cargo, from the beginning of October 2014 transports with JSC "Tashkent Mechanical Plant" (Uzbekistan, former Tashkent Aircraft Production Association named after VP Chkalov, TAPOiCH) on Russian JSC "Beriev" (Beriev) in Taganrog gliders two unfinished transport aircraft IL-76, intended for completion at the Beriev as AWACS and control A-50EI ("EI") for Indian Air Force.

Delivery of both unfinished gliders (serial numbers 94-05 and 94-09) performed "CB Trans" road train, comprising 14 cars, trailers, two of which are driven directly assembled fuselage. October 23 column trains arrived from Tashkent through Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan located on the coast of the Caspian Sea port of Aktau Kazakhstan (formerly Shevchenko), where both the airframe will be shipped on a cargo ship for onward transport by water on the territory of Russia (October 31 loading has not yet been made).


The fuselage of one of the two IL-76TD, pervozimyh road train company "CB Trans" with JSC "Tashkent Mechanical Plant" (Uzbekistan, former Tashkent Aircraft Production Association named after VP Chkalov) on the Russian JSC "Taganrog Aviation Scientific-Technical Complex Beriev ". Aktau (Kazakhstan), 23/10/2014 (c) andreyolder / aviaforum.ru





On conclusion of the contract with India for the supply of additional aircraft A-50EI not yet reported, and at the end of August 2014 Beriev representative reported on this contract only as the expected. However, the current delivery of two gliders for A-50EI from Tashkent to Taganrog suggests that contracts have been signed or will be signed soon. It is known that the financing for the purchase of two additional aircraft A-50EI was approved by the Indian Government in 2013. It should be noted that in fact the main contract, as in 2004, should be concluded by the Ministry of Defence of India with the Israeli association of Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI), as prime contractor, and p USSIAN of "Rosoboronexport" and Beriev Aircraft Company will be performing contractors under separate agreements.

Earlier, India won the contract in 2004 worth $ 1.1 billion with IAI three AWACS aircraft and control A-50EI ("EI"), equipped with radar system IAI Elta EL / W-2090 and PS-90A-76. "Rosoboronexport" and Beriev performed by contractors under the contract, to ensure adequate supplies and equipment in the A-50EI three gliders IL-76TD, unfinished on the order backlog of TAPOiCh 94th production series (serial numbers unfinished aircraft - 94-02, 94 -03 and 94-04). All three aircraft A-50EI were put India in 2008-2010, and since then, the Indian side is constantly negotiated the purchase of additional machines, and extended its intention to order nine additional aircraft.

Ultimately, as we can judge, INDISCO side was forced to restrict the acquisition of yet only two additional aircraft for which TAPOiCh remained gliders IL-76TD 94-05 and 94-09 in a relatively high degree of readiness. As previously reported , in October 2012 JSC "UAC" and OAO "Rosoboronexport" in consultation with the Indian side, it was decided for the delivery of two additional aircraft (ie, fourth and fifth) AEW "EI" on the basis of units of the two IL-76TD GAO TAPOiCH production. January 17, 2013 Deputy Minister of Defence of the Russian Federation approved the export passport image number 64/13 / EG for AEW (AWACS) based on IL-76TD.
At the end of 2011 was made directly contract of sale the two gliders IL-76TD-RTC number 145-181-2011 between GAO "TAPOiCH" and the company ESC Aviation Services Corp., representing the interests of IAI. According to preliminary plans, working on pre-sales of the two gliders had to be started from April 01, 2013 and last for seven months. Apparently, the delay in signing the final terms of the main contract for the purchase by India of two additional A-50EI resulted in a shift of all the terms for gliders.

It should be particularly pointed out that in the case of final completion on the Beriev Aircraft 94-05 and 94-09 will be the last "old" machines IL-76 and IL-76 last Tashkent buildings.



Austin wrote:This report mentions its for India 2 A-50EI

Two IL-76 driven in Taganrog for alterations in the A-50EI

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1043874.html


http://www.defencenews.in/defence-news- ... pdKe6m1hA=

Israel and Russia have started creating two aircraft for Airborne Early Warning and Control for India. Work has already started in Taganrog, where they are installing Israeli radar on an IL-76.

The Military Gazette wrote that Israel and Russia have started creating two aircraft for Airborne Early Warning and Control for India. This is the joint project called Falcon – an airborne early warning radar system created by Elta, installed on the IL-76 aircraft manufactured by the Ilyushin Company.

Back in 2004, India signed a contract for the delivery of three of these aircraft, which were delivered in 2009-2011. Work on the creation of another two new aircraft is being carried out under an option provided for in this contract. As the publication noted, Israel purchased two IL-76 airframes from Uzbekistan. Russia, for its part, acquired two mostly completed IL-76 platforms from the Chkalov Aviation Production Association (now the Tashkent Mechanical Plant) in Tashkent. The aircraft frames were brought from Tashkent to the Beriev Aviation Scientific-Technical Complex in Taganrog, where they will be custom finished by the Israeli side, and where Israeli radar will be installed.


http://nosint.blogspot.in/2015/09/israe ... india.html

Israel to expand AEW fleet for India
Il-76 PhalconIndia will acquire a further two Ilyushin Il-76 transports adapted to carry Israeli-made Phalcon type airborne early warning (AEW) radars and sensors.

According to an Indian source, the aircraft have already being purchased from Uzbekistan by Israel Aerospace Industries, and are being prepared for the surveillance role at the facilities of the Tashkent Mechanical Plant in Taganrog in co-operation with Beriev.

AEW radars provided by IAI's Elta Systems division will be installed in the aircraft in Israel, along with the other sensors that comprise the Phalcon system. Sources indicate that India will receive an upgraded system, which will have a "smooth interface" with the one already installed in its air force's three operational examples.



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