Bart S wrote:Cain Marko wrote:
Cherry picking works both ways. Yes there are a number of bad deals, but there have been a number of good ones too. The point is that India needs quantity, and Russian hardware provides this best until desi products start coming up on numbers
No, it doesn't. We are a customer, and a perfect customer at that - we paid hard earned cash for everything they sold us, we paid on time without tantrums, and did not abuse their IP like the Chinese. We have a right to demand quality and satisfaction across the board. That they delivered some weapon systems that met our expectations is not an excuse to pass off (often knowingly and in bad faith) substandard stuff in other areas or rip us off.
It's Customer Service 101
It's like if you go to a restaurant and order butter chicken, dal and roti, and the butter chicken gives you food poisoning due to which you miss work for a few days and spend 3x as much in medicines. You have every right to complain, and the resteraunt cannot say that you are cherry picking because 1> the food is cheaper than a 5 star restaurant, 2> the roti and dal were not contaminated, hence they can cherry pick too and 3> some other customer in some other restaurant also got food poisoning.
The sad thing with all this defensive argument by fanboys of vendor countries is that (assuming that they are Indian), it's like a family member of the person who got food poisoning, arguing in favour of the restaurant! This is not an argument for argument's sake like fanboys discussing Playstation vs Xbox, rather real lives and national security is at stake. Indian interests matter, period - to hell with Russia, America or anyone else.Cain Marko wrote:The point is that India needs quantity, and Russian hardware provides this best until desi products start coming up on numbers
Again, you are passing off your opinion as fact. The IAF (the party with real skin in the game) certainly does not seem to think so, otherwise they would be lining up to buy 'cheap' Russian planes without considering the quality.
OTOH, off topic, but if one was talking about relatively simple systems that are hard to mess up like small arms and RPG/RPO type systems, Russia does present an attractive option, with decent quality and good prices.
Customer service. Nice one. What customer service did India get on the sea Kings? What customer service will India get if caatsa goes through? Simply rpg, small arms type of systems these were not. How much did India pay for French customer service?
What I said is not an opinion, it is obvious to anyone with out blinkers. India has never been able to afford French or British systems in large quantities. The iaf understandably pushes for their finished products considering their over reliance on Russian gear. But irrespective of IAFs desires, the country can only afford what it can. Hence an mrca deal for 126 Fighters was reduced to a mere 36.
Seriously, how hard is this to understand?