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International Forum of Engine Building MFD-2018 in Moscow

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The civil aircraft engine industry was represented by the SaM146 powerplant, which is equipped with Sukhoi Superjet 100 (SSJ100) airliners. It is produced by Rybinsk PJSC "ODK-Saturn" on terms of equal partnership with Safran Aircraft Engines (France). The SaM146 engine is certified according to EASA and AR MAC standards and since 2011 is in commercial operation. The total operating time of the operating SaM146 powerplants in March 2018 exceeded 830,000 flight hours

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For the first time at the exhibition, the UDK demonstrated the full-scale sample of the turboprop engine TV7-117ST, developed by the St. Petersburg JSC "ODK-Klimov" and intended for equipping the regional IL-114-300 airliner and IL-112V light military transport aircraft. ground tests, for which in 2016 a test stand was created at JSC "ODK-Klimov", the capabilities of which allow testing the power plant at once with the propeller, nacelle and other elements of the aircraft (parts of the wing and fuselage). The use of a unified engine on IL-112 B and IL-114-300 aircraft will help reduce costs in production and will be an example of the transfer of military technology to the civilian sector. Resource tests of the TV7-117ST engine continue. In 2018, the advanced flight tests of TV7-117VST will continue as part of the IL-76LL flying laboratory. Produced by JSC "ODK-Klimov" in cooperation with other enterprises of the JDC.

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JSC "ODK-Klimov" developed and successfully tested the latest modification of the VK-2500 helicopter turbo-engine - VK-2500PS engine with improved performance characteristics and the use of modern Russian digital electronic control and monitoring system. The engine implements solutions that allow managing the resource characteristics depending on the specific operating conditions. The basic application of VK-2500PS is the newest civil Mi-171A2 helicopter. Earlier, the UDK provided the VK-2500 engine for production in Russia. Today, the UDK is increasing the pace of production of VK-2500 engines taking into account the needs of the state customer, as well as export supplies. The assembly is carried out from the Russian components.

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PD-14 is the basic turbofan engine, which is created in the wide cooperation of the enterprises of the UDC for the MS-21-300 airliner with the use of the newest technologies and materials, including composite ones. It is not inferior to foreign analogues in operation, but in many respects, in particular, emissions into the atmosphere, noise , etc., surpasses them. The UDK continues the flight and ground tests of the PD-14 engine, during which it confirms the declared parameters. The procedure for certification of the PD-14 basic engine both for Russian and international standards is in accordance with the established deadlines. In 2018, it is planned to receive a certificate of the Federal Air Transport Agency, and in 2019 - EASA. The main executor of the PD-14 program is JSC "ODK", the lead developer is JSC "ODK-Aviadvigatel", the parent manufacturer - JSC "ODK-Perm Motors"

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The liquid rocket engine NK-33 was created by the legendary Soviet designer Nikolai Kuznetsov for the "lunar" space project N1. It became the first in the world in its class - an engine, made in a closed circuit, working on oxygen-kerosene components, which has a multi-launch and repeated use. The development and production of the Samara enterprise ODK PJSC "Kuznetsov" presented at the forum of NK-33A is distinguished by reliability and perfection of technical parameters, demonstrates the maximum ratio of thrust to mass among modern engines. March 29, 2018 engine NK-33A, ensured the successful launch of a light carrier rocket Soyuz-2-1v from the military cosmodrome Plesetsk (Arkhangelsk region).

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The engine TRDD-50AT (36MT) is designed for installation on unmanned aerial vehicles for special purposes. The main requirements for such GTE are the minimum dimensions and weight, high efficiency and reliability. UDC on the basis of PJSC "ODK-Saturn" had previously successfully implemented the import substitution program for small-sized engines.

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AL-41F-1C produced by the Ufa-based PJSC "UDK-UMPO", it is a turbojet two-loop engine of the 4+ generation with an afterburner and a controlled thrust vector, a deep modernization of the AL-31F engine. From the predecessor, the engine is distinguished by an increased life and a thrust of 14.5 tons. AL-41F-1C allows the aircraft to develop supersonic speed without the use of afterburner.

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RD-33MK - turbojet dual-loop engine with afterburner - modification of the basic engine RD-33, subjected to serious design refinement. Designed for the MiG-29K / KUB deck fighter aircraft, as well as for the newest multi-purpose MiG-35 fighter. In January 2017 engines RD-33MK worked without any comments during the first test flight MiG-35. When creating the RD-33MK, all the advantages of the base platform were retained, while the engine has increased traction (in the forced modes it is increased to 10%). The engine is equipped with a modern digital automatic control and monitoring system BARK-42. The resource is significantly increased due to the application of the modernized turbine cooling system. The developer is JSC "ODK-Klimov", manufacturer - JSC "MMP named after V.V. Chernyshev "(Moscow).

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In 2015, the UDC completed the measures for import replacement of engine parts and engine components AI-222-25, which are equipped with Yak-130 combat training aircraft. Currently, it is manufactured by the Moscow NPC of gas turbine construction "Salyut" entirely from Russian components. Earlier, about half of the components were supplied from abroad.

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Floating model of the first domestic jet engine TR-1, developed under the leadership of A.M. Cradles

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AL-31FN - turbojet two-circuit, two-shaft engine with mixing of internal and external contours behind the turbine, afterburner and all-variable adjustable supersonic jet nozzle. It is a modification of the AL-31F engine with the lower location of the boxes of engine and aircraft units. Designed for single-engine fighter aircraft manufactured in China. At MFD-2018 is presented a variant with a jet nozzle with a controlled thrust vector. This nozzle developed by the Moscow JSC "NPC gas turbine construction" Salyut "is an additional option for the engine, which allows to significantly improve the flight performance of the aircraft.

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Ural Civil Aviation Plant (UZGA) will produce VK-800S engines intended for use as part of a twin-engine propulsion system on L-410UVP-E20 turboprops, as well as in power units of other light aircraft. The development of the project within the import substitution program is carried out by a separate subdivision of the enterprise in St. Petersburg. The customer is Minpromtorg of Russia.

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The input module of a high-speed fuel-gas-fueled hydrogen-fueled fuel test at the CIAM stand

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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

Postby Austin » 12 Apr 2018 10:08

Video: 9M96 Redut SAM from ship shooting Dan UAV

https://vk.com/video-123538639_456247141

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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

Postby Kartik » 13 Apr 2018 04:52

Yak-130 of the RuAF crashed, both pilots ejected.

April 12, 2018, AEX.RU - The Yak-130 aircraft crashed in the Voronezh region during a planned training flight, both pilots were ejected, RIA Novosti reported citing the department of information and mass communications of the Russian Defense Ministry.

"On April 12, 2018, at about 9:40 am during a scheduled training flight, an aircraft Yak-130 of the training air base of the Krasnodar Higher Aviation School of Pilots in the cities of Borisoglebsk (Voronezh Region) crashed," the report said.

It is noted that the commander of the crew reported on the occurrence of a technical malfunction of one of the machine's aggregates, which prevents the continuation of the flight. In turn, the flight director gave a command to bailout.

"Both the pilot, the instructor and the cadet, safely ejected, landed and independently contacted the airfield, their lives and health are not threatened.

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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

Postby Kartik » 14 Apr 2018 03:05

And today, a Russian Ka-29 goes down in the Baltic Sea, crew killed.

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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

Postby Philip » 14 Apr 2018 15:04

What a range of engines.Mouthwatering! I wish that we could one day see somethkng similar in India.Sadly never in my lifetime as long as the GTRE is the most favoured DPSU parasite.

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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

Postby Thakur_B » 14 Apr 2018 21:07

Austin wrote:International Forum of Engine Building MFD-2018 in Moscow

The input module of a high-speed fuel-gas-fueled hydrogen-fueled fuel test at the CIAM stand

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The inlet lip for the hypersonic engine seems to be made out of some exotic alloy.

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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

Postby Austin » 15 Apr 2018 12:02

The modified MiG-31 fighter (the "90 red" number) with a suspended aeroballistic rocket of the Kinzhal air-missile complex during the rehearsal of the air unit of the Victory Parade on May 9 in Moscow. Alabino, 04/09/2018 (c) Alexander Shukhov / vk.com

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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

Postby Philip » 16 Apr 2018 13:56

V.good pic of a Russian sub screw,clearly showing a details.Attenuator and silver anodes which are used to prevent rust.See quote.
http://tass.com/defense/999268

[quote]Understanding Sacrificial Anodes on Ships
By Anish | In: Marine Technology | Last Updated on December 26, 2017

Corrosion is one of the greatest enemies of the ship and its machinery. It is also the toughest enemy to fight against for the people working on the ship. Iron is one substance which is used in abundance on the ship. From the main body of the ship to the smallest equipment used in operations, iron makes its presence felt in almost every type of equipment used on board the ship.

A ship is continuously in contact with water and moisture-laden winds which makes it highly susceptible to corrosion. The outer body of the ship (mainly hull) is continuously in contact with water, making it extremely vulnerable to corrosion. It is for this reason sacrificial anodes are used to protect the parent material./quote]
https://www.marineinsight.com/tech/unde ... -on-ships/

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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

Postby Philip » 16 Apr 2018 14:55

A good 2-part analysis of Russia's latest KH-32 anti-ship missile launched from Backfires, and the ability of the USN's Std-6 variant of the principal SAM aboard USN warships.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... art-2.html
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It means a group of two cruisers or destroyers is incapable of repelling a strike from two Tu-22M3 bombers carrying two Kh-32 missiles each even in favorable conditions. At least one warship would be damaged with a 0.6-0.7 probability. A strike by a wing of three aircraft with six Kh-32 will definitely destroy both warships.

A salvo of 24 Kh-32 at an aircraft-carrying force would be fatal. The probability to destroy or sink an aircraft carrier with two-three escort ships is 0.75-0.85. Russian aircraft will attack from outside the operational zone of adversary seaborne fighter jets. It means a strike by 12 Tu-22M3 with two missiles each will be sufficient to destroy an aircraft-carrying force with a high probability.

A group of two-three aircraft carriers can be destroyed by a strike of two regiments of Tu-22M3 with 72 Kh-32. They can fire from a distance of two-three thousand kilometers from the Russian coast, i.e. long before the aircraft-carrying force arrives at the distance of seaborne aircraft engagement.
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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

Postby brar_w » 16 Apr 2018 15:12

I don't see any section where the author attempts to list sources for his performance assumptions, nor do I see anything about who the author is. That said, the SM6, in the context of the USN concept of operations, is used primarily against shooters and and against anti-ship missiles during their cruise phase of flight i.e. at ranges in excess of 250-300 km. Its long range envelope is specific to aircraft, and for certain ballistic and cruise missiles. Also, it is not a replacement missile in the sense that it does not replace any existing interceptor. It just adds another option over and above ESSM and SM2 (which is still he primary AAW missile). There will be instances where it isn't even used against particular threats with engagements done at much shorter ranges for many reasons. The current USN VLS is architecture is designed to engage saturated attacks at 30-60 kms from ship (for every one SM2 or SM6 that is added, they are giving the option of carrying 4 ESSMs instead).

As the threat system approaches closer to the ship, this task is handed to the ESSM (blk. II in the future), then to SeaRAM (which has demonstrated capability to down Mach 3+ sea skimmer targets), SEWIP Block 3, and guns. They are very rapidly working on MAD-FIRES demonstrations as well which would give them the ability to launch miniature guided missiles/projectiles form 40mm guns to target challenging cruise missiles. Also, a 400+km variant of SM6 has been approved by the USN and will enter development shortly, to be fielded in the early-mid 2020s alongside the new active ESSM and Active SM2. As I pointed out a few months back, some years ago the USN requested that a new "high-diver" mode be added to the GQM-163, allowing it to climb higher than its then highest altitude of 52,000 feet and to exceed speeds of Mach 4 at that altitude. The near vertical dive capability has now been used to test interceptors or sensor performance more than 13 times over the last few years.

But yeah, overall defending a ship is tough business so offense and defense need to go hand in hand if you are to operate in high threat regions. Defenses alone won't save the day.

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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

Postby Kartik » 17 Apr 2018 01:45

From AW&ST. Admiral Kuz goes into refit and will remain there till 2021. 420 sorties during the 2 month deployment for attacking Syrian targets.

Russian Navy Left Without Aircraft Carrier Until 2021
Aerospace Daily & Defense Report Apr 13, 2018
Maxim Pyadushkin

MOSCOW—The Russian Navy will not be able to quickly mobilize its air strike capabilities in the Mediterranean for the next few years, as its only aircraft carrier is going in for repairs.

The Admiral Kuznetzov carrier will return to service in 2021, the Russian defense ministry reported April 13, quoting Deputy Minister Yury Borisov.


“The carrier will undergo maintenance—the replacement of all boilers and equipment,” he explained. The repair will take place at Murmansk repair yard.

The Admiral Kuznetzov was taken into service in 1991 and is based with Russia’s North fleet. It has a displacement of 55,000 tons and is powered by four steam turbines of 50,000 hp each. It has eight boilers and four propellers that can speed it up to 29 kt.

According to the military, the Admiral Kuznetsov can carry 12 Sukhoi Su-33 fighters and 24 Kamov Ka-27 antisubmarine helicopters. But during its first combat deployment near the Syrian coast from November 2016 to February 2017, its air wing also included MiG-29K fighters. One of them crashed during landing in November 2016. One Su-33 also was lost at landing in December of the same year.

The defense ministry reported that during the two-month mission, aircraft from the Admiral Kuznetsov made 420 combat sorties against international terrorists and hit more than 1,200 targets in Syrian territory.



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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

Postby Austin » 22 Apr 2018 21:53

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S-300

The S-300PT anti-aircraft missile system was adopted in 1978. The system consisted of a command post (КП) with radar detecting air targets and up to 6 anti-aircraft missile systems (ЗРК). Stages of modernization:

in 1982 - S-300PS
in 1989 - S-300PM
in 2010 - S-300PM1, S-300PM2


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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

Postby Austin » 22 Apr 2018 21:54

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Poster says - in 2007 armed forces received s-400 ,capable of solving not only tactical but operational missions of aero-cosmos forces. system uses missiles of different types capable of destroying not only cruise missiles and aircraft but also warheads of operational tactical ballistic missiles , hypersonic flying objects ,and satellites in low orbits.

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vertical cross section of destruction zones of s-400.

its a multi datalink coded missile, its a new fashion option , which enables to work over the horizon.

s-400 works in group so when it launches missile at very far range it sends commands via datalink to missile to activate directional beacon , but also sends code to that SAM system which is in front of it on battlefield - s-300 , buk , so they can take over with that code and continue to datalink that same missile as it flyes over them ,then missile closes to target so it active radar can get lock and hit it , thats how it gets over horizon,and bypass directional jamming.

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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

Postby Philip » 07 May 2018 21:09

Russia reportedly has fielded 10 MIG-31 interceptors with the hypersonic Kinzhal missile which has a phenomenal speed of Mach 10.These and SU-57s will reportedly feature in the Victory Day parade on May 9th.

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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

Postby Indranil » 07 May 2018 22:08

It is mischaracterization to portray a aeroballistic missile as "hypersonic". Almost all ballistic missiles are hypersonic. What the Russians have achieved is to marry an aeroballistic missile of this size to a fighter. No small feat as now this takes the cake away from us as the heaviest missile to be launched from a fighter aircraft? (if it is a modified Iskander M).

But then, can we modify Prahaar for air launch and reach 300 kms? Probably, not that tough.

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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

Postby Karan M » 07 May 2018 22:26

Seems to be much ado about nothing.
The Russians put far too much investment in non conventional arms to show off their status vis a vis the US.
In contrast, their basic systems are still lagging. Reference how lackluster the IAFs interest in the FGFA is.

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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

Postby Prem » 08 May 2018 04:47

https://twitter.com/XHNews/status/993629681801945090
Russian Ka-52 attack helicopter crashes in eastern Syria, killing both pilots on board, Russian Defense Ministry says http://xhne.ws/Vk54G

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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

Postby Cain Marko » 08 May 2018 07:37

Philip wrote:A good 2-part analysis of Russia's latest KH-32 anti-ship missile launched from Backfires, and the ability of the USN's Std-6 variant of the principal SAM aboard USN warships.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... art-2.html
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It means a group of two cruisers or destroyers is incapable of repelling a strike from two Tu-22M3 bombers carrying two Kh-32 missiles each even in favorable conditions. At least one warship would be damaged with a 0.6-0.7 probability. A strike by a wing of three aircraft with six Kh-32 will definitely destroy both warships.

A salvo of 24 Kh-32 at an aircraft-carrying force would be fatal. The probability to destroy or sink an aircraft carrier with two-three escort ships is 0.75-0.85. Russian aircraft will attack from outside the operational zone of adversary seaborne fighter jets. It means a strike by 12 Tu-22M3 with two missiles each will be sufficient to destroy an aircraft-carrying force with a high probability.

A group of two-three aircraft carriers can be destroyed by a strike of two regiments of Tu-22M3 with 72 Kh-32. They can fire from a distance of two-three thousand kilometers from the Russian coast, i.e. long before the aircraft-carrying force arrives at the distance of seaborne aircraft engagement.
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Fascinating find Philip. My question is how will the kh 32 get guidance updates if it's fired from as far away as 2-3000km?

But even if they could be fired from just 400-500km, a cbg will be hard put to defend, the chances against non cbgs, irrespective of advanced Sams, are obviously even better.

Which is why I'd like to see India get a couple of dozen of these as cruise missile carriers. With a load out of 3 brahmos and a radius of 3000km on internal fuel alone, these would be of great help to keep the IOR sanitized.

Great for opening day strikes against land targets too. Once the GBAD is defeated sufficiently, makes for an astounding bomb truck too.

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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

Postby Philip » 08 May 2018 12:17

Yes,why I've been for aeons advocating LRMP supersonic backfires for the IN and a strat. bomber for the IAF.Armedwith such stand-off ASMs,they could easily strike targets with impunity and avoid any interception by enemy air defences either land-based or carrier-based. Of course targeting would have to be resolved,but with mritime sats,and other assets,once the target /CBG task force has been located and tracked,it could be swiftly dealt with by supersonic Backfires carrying such missiles.

This reinforces my thrust for the IN acquiring asap a huge sub fleet of AIP and N-boats as these would be far more survivable than a large surface combatant.

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Postby Singha » 08 May 2018 12:38

Kh-32 — a radically upgraded conventional/nuclear variant of Kh-22 with Mach 5 speed and 1,000 km (620 mi) range.[10][17] It features an improved rocket motor and a new seeker head. Currently produced for the Tu-22M3 launch platform.[18] Warhead weight has been reduced to 500 kg (1,100 lb) to improve range

^^^ while this gives the naval aviation something to "work with", the main enchilada is perhaps a upsized kinzhal and other hypersonic weapons that like BGRVs will fly well above the ceiling of LRSAMs and can be targeted only by big expensive ABMs which not every formation can cart around. the kinzhal is sized to fit the Mig31 carriage for now, but surely meatier and faster variants are coming for the heavy bomber elements.

I guess the SM3 TBMD type loadouts will need to upsize in response.

we might yet see TBMD focussed low riding "arsenal ships" more like surfaced Oscar class with dozens of silos for the big missiles needed to meet such emerging threats ...

I am sure cheen is working on a oscar sized TLAM-packed thing which can fire 100s of TLAMs onto enemy targets while protected by SSNs and air cover.

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Postby Austin » 08 May 2018 16:30

Indranil wrote:It is mischaracterization to portray a aeroballistic missile as "hypersonic". Almost all ballistic missiles are hypersonic. What the Russians have achieved is to marry an aeroballistic missile of this size to a fighter. No small feat as now this takes the cake away from us as the heaviest missile to be launched from a fighter aircraft? (if it is a modified Iskander M).

But then, can we modify Prahaar for air launch and reach 300 kms? Probably, not that tough.


It’s more than a simple aeroballistic missile , it’s a powered hypersonic boost glide vehical like shaurya but travels at mach 10 and manouveres , can hit both ships and land targets at 2000km range but compact enough to be carried on ‘mig 31.

The challenge is to manage thermal stress heat and load while it flies and manouvers at ~ mach 10 so that it does not disintegrate while the lack of control surfaces indicates just the rear fin plus tvc like control may be from its solids fuel engine via moving nozzle

This is no aeroballistic df31 that does atmospheric reentry

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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

Postby Singha » 08 May 2018 18:13

>> My question is how will the kh 32 get guidance updates if it's fired from as far away as 2-3000km?

they have long had missiles and airborne platforms supporting mid course updates due to the long range of the heavy ASMs. perhaps space based optical and elint sats data can also be pulled on fly by airborne c3i platforms and fed to inflight missiles.


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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

Postby Austin » 09 May 2018 09:30

Regarding Kh-32 this is what Yefim Gordon writes

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The principal weapon of modernised Tu-22M3 will be the Kh-32 supersonic air-to-surface missile developed by NPO Raduga as an upgrade of the familiar Kh-22. It features an improved rocket motor and a new seeker head.

The old Kh-22 anti-shipping missile was severely handicapped by its shortrange - a few hundered kilometers, that is, within visual range for a high flying aircraft. Over-the-horizon attackes were all but impossible: the Kh-22's seeker head could not find the target. In a real-life attack scenario against a carrier task force, the Tu-22M3 would have to break through fightercover , inevitably suffering loss.

Raguda new Kh-32 is the solution. While Kh-22 climbs to 22000m and acclerates to about 3600 km/h on the way to target, the Kh-32 at first soars up almost to the outer space an altitude of some 44 km/27.3 miles then "looks beyond the horizon", detecting the target at 600 km or even 1000 km range. The warhead/seeker of the new missile is much smarter - it can classify the targets and select the priority target an aircraft carrier or cruiser.

Also the Kh-32 closes on the target at much higher speed, which makes it impossible to intercept. In Russia that this missile and the Tu-22M3 modernisation to carry it are considered a serious military deterrent and an effective weapon against the most powerful carrier task force. Test of the Kh-32 were successfuly conpleted back in late 1990 in so doing the long range aviation worked in close co-operation with the Navy,which willing supplied decommisioned warships as target.

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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

Postby Manish_P » 09 May 2018 11:17

Does it have terminal/dive phase manouvering?

Some posters on other forums (claiming to be on the Aegis system in the US navy) mentioned they would worry about it when faced with ripple fire mode (multiple shooters, multiple angles, near simultaenous arrival). They pointed out that they would be more worried about sea-skimming supersonic missiles launched at very close ranges by low flying aircraft which had somehow sneaked through their AD layer.

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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

Postby Prem » 15 May 2018 01:29

http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-e ... ria-2018-5
Russian air defenses were caught on video getting beaten badly by Israeli forces in Syria — here are Russia's excuses

Moscow has offered two explanations for why the Russian-made Pantsir-S1 missile defense system took a direct hit during an Israeli airstrike in Syria last week."One is that it had already used up its ammunition reserve," Aytech Bizhev, a former deputy commander-in-chief of Russia's air force, told the Russian state-run news agency RT. "The other is that it was simply turned off; it wasn't battle ready."Israeli fighter jets struck dozens of Iranian military sites in Syria on Thursday, killing at least 23 people, including at least five Syrian soldiers, according to the Syria Observatory for Human Rights.Israel, which released footage of the Pantsir-S1 system being hit, said it launched the attack after Iranian forces fired 20 rockets toward the Golan Heights on Wednesday, some of which were shot down.As for the destruction of the Pantsir-S1, there "can be no third option, as it wouldn't have let itself to be destroyed," Bizhev told RT, adding: "When it's battle ready, it performs constant surveillance of enemy aircraft and has a very fast reaction time. It would've brought down those cruise missiles with either its cannons or own missiles."Mikhail Khodorenok, a retired Russian colonel, also told RT that the Pantsir-S1 wasn't camouflaged, meaning it "wasn't ready for engagement." He added that the incident didn't "question the high combat capabilities" of the system.There are other possible reasons the Pantsir-S1 took a direct hit.It could be that its radar was turned off to avoid anti-radiation missiles — it was most likely hit by a Delilah anti-radar cruise missile— or that the Syrian operators simply bungled the incident.Bizhev said the Israeli jets had a geographic advantage in that they fired their missiles "without entering the [Syrian] air defense area." He told RT that "they approached at low altitudes, then bounced from behind the Golan Heights, carried out the attack, and left."The Pantsir-S1 "requires between three to five minutes to go operational," Bizhev said, adding that it's exhausting for the crew to keep the system on at all times.

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Postby John » 15 May 2018 01:45

Prem wrote:"Mikhail Khodorenok, a retired Russian colonel, also told RT that the Pantsir-S1 wasn't camouflaged, meaning it "wasn't ready for engagement." He added that the incident didn't "question the high combat capabilities" of the system.

Excuses keep rolling in keep in mind even during US strike Buk and Panstir failed to down any missiles .

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Postby Austin » 15 May 2018 07:49

It can be seen quite clearly in video that pantasir radar was down and it was reloading but saa still managed to shoot 50 % if Israel pgms and 60 % of missile of allies using mostly using antiquated Sam

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Postby bahdada » 15 May 2018 16:56

Russian Junk err...Weapon systems need to come with PR Commissar for free.

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Postby John » 15 May 2018 17:17

Austin wrote:It can be seen quite clearly in video that pantasir radar was down and it was reloading but saa still managed to shoot 50 % if Israel pgms and 60 % of missile of allies using mostly using antiquated Sam

I would take that with grain of salt cannot comment on Israeli strikes but most analysts agree not a single missile was downed from Allied strikes.

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Postby Philip » 15 May 2018 17:36

Just one system ko'd.The fact is that several US/UK missiles were earlier shot down by Syrian defences incl. Pantsir.Anything but junk.

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Postby Indranil » 15 May 2018 23:42

Too much is being made out of this Pantsir incident. May be, it was loading. May be, it was not! But, this is is war. And weapons will be lost, Russian or western. Is there any record of how many Western missiles/munitions actually hit their target? Why don't you Westophiles seek to know or speak about those numbers?

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Postby John » 16 May 2018 00:02

^ In the previous Allied strike all missiles were reported to have hit the target and there is detailed analysis of what hit where and even Syrian observers have confirmed no missiles were shot by Syrian Air defenses. As for Israeli strikes we just don't know IDF doesn't release much info on these strikes.

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Postby Indranil » 16 May 2018 02:23

The western observer says "we hit them all", and we are to believe them. The Russians say that the vehicle had run out of ammo and was being reloaded, and we are to call BS.

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Postby Prem » 16 May 2018 03:27

Indranil wrote:The western observer says "we hit them all", and we are to believe them. The Russians say that the vehicle had run out of ammo and was being reloaded, and we are to call BS.

I believe Ahuja in his Military scenarios did something same when Chinese S300 was in reloading mode after firing all missiles, Jaguars went in for kill.

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Postby John » 16 May 2018 04:32

Indranil wrote:The western observer says "we hit them all", and we are to believe them. The Russians say that the vehicle had run out of ammo and was being reloaded, and we are to call BS.

Even if that was reloading in this situation IDF seems to have knocked out a lot of Pantsir and system overall seems to have performed quiet terribly to date. Only S-200 seems to have shot down a IDF plane.

As for allied strikes it was Syrian sources that confirmed that no missiles were shot down FYI.

Off topic but Tunguska and Kashtan (precursor to Pantsir) both have had issues in IA and IN service ( plagued with technical and maintenance problems). It could very well be Syrian Army is facing technical challenges maintaining Pantsir.


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