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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby Philip » 22 Sep 2018 16:59

Resumption of Amur/ Lada SSKs are noteqorthy but tge future AIP system is a big Q.What will the offer to India come with; the DRDO AIP system? The key factor going for the sub is its low price at least $ 100+M cheaper than the cheapest western equiv. The crew of just 35 is another plus point.If the variant offered comes with a VLS plug for BMos/ Kalibir, even better.

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Postby John » 22 Sep 2018 21:04

Philip for 100th time there is no VLS sub launched Brahmos it was dropped by Brahmos Corp there is only plans for torpedo tube launched Brahmos-m.

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Postby Philip » 22 Sep 2018 21:13

Pl. read ( for the umpteenth time) what I've mentioned.Either BMos or Kalibir.The pic of the model along with reports of the Krondstadt launch, in several reports, show a Lada model with a VLS module for 10 missiles.BMos- NG has yet to be tested and may require a larger dia. torpedo tube as in Israeli Dolphin U- boats.There are different variants available as planned by the design bureau depending upon the reqs. of the buyer.
Take for example our own ATV/ Arihant class.Follow on subs will have increased number of missile silos. The Lada model with a VLS plug was not made by enthusiasts, not the figment of someone's imagination but by the design bureau itself!

PS: Latest US intel on the Borei-A 4th-gen Ru N-sub.The sub carries 20 Bulava missiles each capable of a 150kt N-warhead.Plus, each missile can carry upto 10 MIRVs allowing for 200 hypersonic .missiles for which the US currently has no answer.These subs will all be available by 2024.By 2020 2 of Putin's 6 new " invincible" weapons will be in service.Borei-A and the other systems are being given top priority over surface ships and conv. weapons.
Secondly, large numbers of heavily armed Kalibir corvettes are being built instead of fewer larger capital ships, thanks to the Syrian experience.

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby John » 22 Sep 2018 21:40

Why keep mentioning Brahmos then just say Kalibr, there is no Vls Brahmos for Sub launch it has been dropped.

Also Brahmos-m/Brahmos-ng can be fired from standard tubes.

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby Philip » 23 Sep 2018 00:05

BMos-NG has yet to arrive.Not one test as yet. Without a VLS plug the weapons load /torpedoes will reduce by the no. of missiles being carried.As of now Klub/Kalibir is being fired from std. tubes on Kilos.The model shown has a somewhat similar profile to our ATV, with a slight hump over the missile (X10) section.

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby Kakarat » 23 Sep 2018 00:08

John wrote:Why keep mentioning Brahmos then just say Kalibr, there is no Vls Brahmos for Sub launch it has been dropped.

Also Brahmos-m/Brahmos-ng can be fired from standard tubes.


http://www.brahmos.com/content.php?id=20
On 20 March 2013, the submarine-launched version of BRAHMOS supersonic cruise missile was
successfully test fired at 1410 hrs from a submerged platform in Bay of Bengal off the coast of
Visakhapatnam.


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https://www.livefistdefence.com/2013/03 ... arian.html

The Sub launch Brahmos exists and has also been tested but there are no subs to use them other than the SSBNs

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby John » 23 Sep 2018 02:19

^ Yes it exists it was heavily advertised and was tested , but was dropped by Brahmos Corp in favor of Brahmos-ng due to lack of platforms. I know we want to fit brahmos on every damn platform there is, but fitting in 8 Vls module in 2000 ton SSK makes absolutely no sense except for Russia who are going to laugh all the way to the bank.

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Postby Philip » 23 Sep 2018 07:12

Such a sub will be closer to 2650/ 3000t which is almost the same for a Kilo.The new SoKo conv. AIP sub which can fire both "ballistic and cruise missiles", is reportedly around 3000t.The crew strength is almost 1/3rd. less, only 35 from 53 on a Kilo ,saving on both space and size.

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby John » 24 Sep 2018 01:44

I am not going speak about South Korea KSS-3 since it is still under development and many proponents want they move nuclear platform. That's catch-22 if you can build SSN it makes no sense to build heavy SSK with land attack missiles. Because when they launch missile payload they will be detected. But however unlike nuclear submarines their poor submerged range & speed makes them vulnerable to ASW platforms.

As for Amur-950 with VLS no way it will in same class as KSS-3 latter is 80+ meters long where as Amur-950 is around 50 meters. Even 1850 is much smaller than that.

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby Kakarat » 24 Sep 2018 01:52

John wrote:^ Yes it exists it was heavily advertised and was tested , but was dropped by Brahmos Corp in favor of Brahmos-ng due to lack of platforms. I know we want to fit brahmos on every damn platform there is, but fitting in 8 Vls module in 2000 ton SSK makes absolutely no sense except for Russia who are going to laugh all the way to the bank.


Do you have any reference for Brahmos Corp dropping Sub launch Brahmos?

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Postby John » 24 Sep 2018 02:05

Don't have original article anymore only idrw article which restates that Brahmos-ng will arm Project-75 and all nuclear submarines for Indian navy.

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby Kakarat » 24 Sep 2018 02:30

To my knowledge i haven't come across any official report on dropping of the sub launch brahmos. The Brahmos brochure from Defexpo 2018 continues to advertise the sub launch variant too. there is plan to increase Brohmos range to >800km while Brahmos NG range will only be ~300km so I dont think Sub launch brahmos will be compactly abandoned as difference between regular Brahmos and sub launch Brahmos is very little if at all any

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Postby John » 24 Sep 2018 17:54

Ofcourse if another country like Malaysia comes up and hands wade of cash for Sub launched Brahmos, Brahmos corp is not going to turn it down but with no interest from IN it has been shelved. Also i would take marketing brochure in defexpo with grain of salt even after it was confirmed that only modified Su-30 can carry single Brahmos they were still displaying Tu-144, Mig-27 and Mig-29 all carrying Brahmos-A, i believe they finally removed it around 2013.

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby Kakarat » 24 Sep 2018 19:32

This 2018 and not 2013 and a printed document even if a marketing brochure is more credible than a news report (no reference available) which could be a DDM. Yes there is no platform currently available for it which doesnt mean it has been shelved, brahmos could be used in Arihant class. Technically Tu-142 could carry Brahmos but was retired before development but i haven't seen any official document with Mig-27
Except your posts there is no other reference on Sub launched Brahmos getting shelved.

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby Manish_P » 25 Sep 2018 12:00

^ what's with these Ivans and their pets eh :?:

Sometime back there was a photo of a MiG 29 with a cat, now a Sub with a Dog.. next can we expect one of the Armata with a Parrot ?

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Postby ks_sachin » 26 Sep 2018 11:04

Manish_P wrote:^ what's with these Ivans and their pets eh :?:

Sometime back there was a photo of a MiG 29 with a cat, now a Sub with a Dog.. next can we expect one of the Armata with a Parrot ?

We have the Armata parrot on BRF.

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby Chinmay » 26 Sep 2018 11:44

ks_sachin wrote:We have the Armata parrot on BRF.


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby Manish_P » 26 Sep 2018 13:21

Hey knock it off guys. I didn't mean it that way. I actually like these kind of photos. Something so cool and different about them. That is one gorgeous Doggo BTW..

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby Philip » 26 Sep 2018 14:39

Combat Approved on RT has a great feature on a Delta-3 SSBN.First time pics of the inside of an Ru SSBN.Considering that the Delta in a Sov. era legacy SSBN, very generous spaces and a huge co trol room.A very intetesting note is a star on the silo denoting how many missiles have been fired from it. Pity no pics of the torpedo room though.

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

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K-433 Svyatoy Georgiy Pobedonosets: Nuclear Triad Workhorse

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby Kartik » 04 Oct 2018 06:25

ks_sachin wrote:
Manish_P wrote:^ what's with these Ivans and their pets eh :?:

Sometime back there was a photo of a MiG 29 with a cat, now a Sub with a Dog.. next can we expect one of the Armata with a Parrot ?

We have the Armata parrot on BRF.

:rotfl:

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby Philip » 04 Oct 2018 08:32

Not a parrot.It comes with a canary, like miners to warn of (poison) gas! :rotfl:

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

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Touche saar

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

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<OT>Does a Ban on one forum mean that the poster is banned across all forums? I ask since Philip ji has incurred a 1 month ban on the Indian Economy thread (in the strategic forum). And on the eve of the Czar's visit too..</OT>

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Ban is across all forums

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby Manish_P » 04 Oct 2018 19:48

Russian MiG-31 Foxhound Carrying Huge Mystery Missile Emerges Near Moscow

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The missile seen in the photograph is significantly larger than Kinzhal and appears to feature a set of folding fins at its rear. It is likely a two-stage system, or at least features a powered kill vehicle for anti-satellite duties. Another possibility is that this system is used to deploy an air-launched hypersonic boost-glide vehicle. But that speculation comes from an established interest in such a capability, not from any evidence in the photo, aside from maybe the thickness of the nose cone area.

We can't stress enough, that above all else, being able to swat-down force multiplying American satellites in low-earth orbit with the inherent flexibility and surprise of an aerial launch platform would be very valuable to Russian forces, regardless of the consequences to the future habitability of low-earth orbit. On the other hand, being able to rapidly and unpredictably put up small satellites, especially to replace ones that are lost in battle, is also become increasingly important due to the growing proliferation of anti-satellite weaponry. It's even possible that one system could be adapted for both roles. This could be just such a system.

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

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Loading of Nuclear Cruise Missile Kh-101 on Tu-160

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

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PD-14 Marks the first new Certified Engine in 2 Decades after PS-90 Series

Russian Engine for Irkut MC-21 Wins Certification

Russian civil aviation authority Rosaviatsiya has issued type certification for an indigenous engine alternative for the Irkut MC-21 narrowbody known as the PD-14, the country’s Ministry for Industry and Trade announced Thursday. A pair of MC-21 prototypes powered by Pratt & Whitney PW1431G geared turbofans now engage in flight testing, but PD-14 certification marks an important advance for the Kremlin-ordered Import Substitution program, aimed at achieving Russian independence in the commercial aviation domain.

“In fact, the PD-14 winning the type certificate means that this engine is ready for delivery and commercial operation,” said minister for industry and trade Denis Manturov in a statement. “This enables us to assert that the first turbofan engine for commercial jets in the history of modern Russia has successfully been created.”

Next, schedules call for the PD-14 program to gain validation with the European Air Safety Agency next year
. Manturov expressed a hope that the MC-21 will soon commence testing with the indigenous powerplant following the planned shipment of three operable engines by the end of this year. The minister insisted that the PD-14 and MC-21 schedules “had been synchronized.”

Compared with previous-generation Russian commercial turbofans, the PD-14 offers a fuel burn decrease at typical cruise of 15 percent, while featuring a bypass ratio of 8.5:1 as opposed to more commonly achieved ratios of 5:1 or 6:1. Its specifications call for fuel consumption comparable to that of the Pratt & Whitney PW1000G series and CFM International’s Leap family. Given that, the PD-14 claims its place as the world’s third engine purposely designed and certified for use on next-generation narrowbody jets.

Preliminary studies into a next-generation turbofan began in Russia at the turn of the century. In 2008 Vladimir Putin made the decision to provide state funding for the project. Bench testing began in 2012 and flight trials in 2015 on an Il-76 testbed. Developed under the framework of the federal program dubbed “Development of Russian Aviation Industry 2025,” the PD-14 program started with a budget of 80 billion roubles ($1.22 billion) covering development and production setup. Perm-based ODK-Aviadvigatel leads the development effort while ODK-Perm Motors performs final assembly line in the city of Perm.


The PD-14 marks the first commercial engine project executed under the umbrella of the United Engine Corporation (Russian acronym ODK), a government-controlled organization formed by the merger of Russian companies involved in powerplants, gearboxes, and other subsystems for applications in commercial and military aviation.

As a result, the government distributed work packages to ODK members to cut development and production preparation cycles. In terms of technology as well, the PD-14 represents a drastic departure from the previous generation PS-90A. Using hollow wide-chord blades for the fan and blisks in the compressor, the newer engine weighs about three tons and develops 14 tons of thrust at takeoff. Engineers designed the baseline engine specifically for the 180-seat MC-21-300, but its derivatives can power both larger and smaller airplanes. The developer announced three versions of the PD-14—the PD-14A, PD-14, and PD-14M--featuring the same 1900 millimeter fan diameter. Intended for the 150-seat MC-21-200 “shrink” variant, the PD-14A produces 11 percent less thrust and resembles the baseline model but with a compressor pressure ratio of 38:1 rather than 41:1 for higher thermal margins. The PD-14M for the Il-96-400M and MC-21-400 develops 12 percent more maximum thrust. It features an additional stage in the compressor, resulting in an increase in pressure ratio to 46:1 and a drop in bypass ratio from 8.5:1 to 7.2:1. The developer also plans a higher-thrust derivative, known as the PD-18, incorporating a geared fan for maximum thrust of 18- to 20 tons; smaller versions designated PD-7 and PD-10 feature a reduced fan diameter for various Sukhoi Superjet variants. Meanwhile, plans call for use of the PD-14’s core in the PD-12 turboshaft, and for a larger PD-35 intended to power the Sino-Russian CR929 widebody.

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby Zynda » 19 Oct 2018 17:37

Bravo Russia. Are there any plans of using PD-14 derivatives to power Il-476 variants in the future? With C-17 acquisition capped at 11 planes, we would certainly need further frames to augment & replace existing Gajrajs. I think 476 is the only plane that is currently or in near future available for IAF/IN etc.

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Postby Austin » 23 Oct 2018 10:24

Zynda wrote:Bravo Russia. Are there any plans of using PD-14 derivatives to power Il-476 variants in the future? With C-17 acquisition capped at 11 planes, we would certainly need further frames to augment & replace existing Gajrajs. I think 476 is the only plane that is currently or in near future available for IAF/IN etc.


IL-476 uses the PS-90A76 engine which is well proven reliable and has been militarised for hot and high altitude flight ops. There is no chance of IL-476 getting any PD-14 variant .....The cost of certifying a PD-14 and then replacing it would itself be a big deterrent.

PD-14 is the base engine to be certified for MC-21-300 variant
PD-14M is an uprated thrust engine for for MC-21-400 and a militarised varient for IL-276 [ https://www.aerotime.aero/ina.hladyshav ... 76-details ] , PD-14M would logically replace the military variant of PS-90A76
PD-12V based on PD-14 5th gen core is under works to replace Ukraine engine for Mi-26 [ http://www.rusaviainsider.com/worlds-la ... s-russian/ ]
PD-9 a down thrust variant of PD-14 is to replace Superjet engine for SSJ-100R https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news ... rn-content

Other than that based on PD-14 5th Gen core new engines are under works for military ships and for power plant.

PD-18R is a GTF variant proposed but that is not a funded program and wont go any where.

PD-35 is a funded program for Russia-Chinese CR929 and for future large transport aircraft in thrust of 35-40 T Engine https://rostec.ru/en/news/rostec-create ... t-engine-/
http://mil.today/2018/Industry6/

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Postby Austin » 23 Oct 2018 10:28

Radar P-18R in the Kamchatka region will even find "stealth"

https://vpk.name/news/232044_rls_p18r_v ... elsyi.html

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The technology of "invisibility" (stealth) actually loses its relevance with the introduction of modern radar (radar) P-18R. According to the head of the press service of the Eastern Military District, this radar has a functional that allows you to recognize aircraft of any type, including “invisible” aircraft (as an example, originally stated in the tactical radar F-117A).

P-18R entered the technical equipment of one of the units of the Air Force and Air Defense of the Eastern Military District, stationed on the Kamchatka Peninsula.

According to the head of the press service of the SBI, the P-18R radar will be put into operation soon.

The station not only detects objects in the air, but is also able to determine the range at which they are located, calculate the azimuth and (unlike previous modifications) - the radial velocity. Also - perform automatic tracking, recognizing the class of the object. Radar P-18R transmits information to a single control system.

P-18R has a high level of noise immunity, stability of work in different climatic conditions and high accuracy in determining the coordinates of moving objects.

The standard chassis for the radar is the car "Ural". The maximum range of action (claimed) is 360 km. Target recognition in five classes, the coefficient of suppression of reflections from local objects - 50, the standard error of one-time measurements in one review in range - 25 m, in azimuth - 0.8 degrees, in radial velocity - 3 m / s

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Postby Manish_P » 26 Oct 2018 10:16

Are Catamarans stable in rough seas ?

Russia's Krylov Light Aircraft Carrier Project Features Semi-Catamaran Hull Design

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The underwater part of the light aircraft carrier features a semi-catamaran hull which is the major distinction of the project designed by the Krylov Scientific Center, a representative of the organization told TASS.

"The project is distinguished by the underwater part of a semi-catamaran form. Catamaran actually means two hulls united by a platform. It has a wide deck which is important for an aircraft carrier. The design adds flight deck space on which the number of aircraft depends. As a result, a medium-displacement ship can carry a full-fledged air wing," he said.

Such a design has never been used for aircraft carriers. "The zest of the carrier is below the waterline," the representative said.

Standard displacement is 37000 tons, the normal one is 40500 tons, and full displacement is 44000 tons. The length is 304 meters (260 by construction waterline), the width is 78 meters (38) and the draft is 8.5 meters. Full speed is 28 knots, economical is 16 knots. Cruising range at 16 knots is 8000 miles, expandable endurance is 60 days. Aircraft engagement seaworthiness is force seven. The main power plant is a two-shaft gas turbine with a partial electric propulsion and a capacity of 81000 KW or 110000 HP. The electric system comprises three generators with a total capacity of 32MW (6.3 KV/50Hz).

On-deck air wing comprises 46 flying craft, including 12-14 Su-33, 12-14 MiG-39K/KUB, four airborne early warning aircraft, 12-14 Ka-27 helicopters.


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Postby Singha » 26 Oct 2018 11:54

seems to have a full wide hanger stretched between the two hulls. maybe it will work....but a large sized airwing will also need a large sized crew and the relatively smaller internal volume of the dual hulls imposes a major penalty vs a monohull conventional deep draft design.

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Postby Austin » 27 Oct 2018 08:54

The Russian employment of Aircraft carrier is similar to the philosophy of IN during war which is to use to for Air Defence of Fleet and reenforcing ASW capability of fleet guranteeing nuclear submarine combat stability of its fleet to atleast 1.5-2 days during a full scale nuclear war. This is not the same at US CBG designed to fight distant war with its CBG fleet.

So the larger aircraft and choppers on the deck with lowest possible displacement and cost would be the goal , The crew size can be controlled via automation.

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Postby souravB » 28 Oct 2018 00:33

Russia's Next Gen Helicopter Design
The concept feature a ‘delta’ fixed-wing, co-axial rotor system, a side-by-side cockpit, and pusher engines in the rear similar to what is utilized on the Sikorsky S-97 Raider and Bell V-280 Valor. The co-axial rotor system will be driven by two engines.

Also, a concept of the high-speed helicopter will eqquiped infrared (IR) heat suppressing systems and various fuselage contour constructions with internal weapons bays as a stealth technology to avoid detection.

According to a presentation, Kamov believes new technologies will provide more speed and range and better fuel efficiency. It is expected that the new helicopter will reach speeds of more than 435 mph (700 kph), nearly three times the speed of a conventional

Looks pretty good on paper. Maybe they will replace the delta wings with stubs. but overall nice concept.

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Postby Austin » 28 Oct 2018 08:11

Look like further evolution of Ka-52 design , The delta wings and nose tip wing would generate more lift specially at high altitude , in case of total rotor failure it should help glide the chopper like an aircraft with large wings and tails rather than just fall off from sky.

Looks more stealthified ka-52 with wings

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Postby Singha » 28 Oct 2018 08:52

Austin wrote:The Russian employment of Aircraft carrier is similar to the philosophy of IN during war which is to use to for Air Defence of Fleet and reenforcing ASW capability of fleet guranteeing nuclear submarine combat stability of its fleet to atleast 1.5-2 days during a full scale nuclear war. This is not the same at US CBG designed to fight distant war with its CBG fleet.

So the larger aircraft and choppers on the deck with lowest possible displacement and cost would be the goal , The crew size can be controlled via automation.


if the idea is to defend the barents sea, kola peninsula and kamchatka the main operating areas of their SSBN fleet, cannot land based a/c do it? that was the strategy in cold war. they have dozens of major land bases in these areas. their bears and mays are far more capable than kamov asw. escort can be land based Mig31/PAKFA forming 1000km long CAP picket lines like foxhound was designed to do via datalink,

if the idea is to project sea power in mediterranean, north atlantic, east china sea, gulf then high endurance ecosystem is needed.

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby Austin » 28 Oct 2018 09:21

Singha wrote:f the idea is to defend the barents sea, kola peninsula and kamchatka the main operating areas of their SSBN fleet, cannot land based a/c do it? that was the strategy in cold war. they have dozens of major land bases in these areas. their bears and mays are far more capable than kamov asw. escort can be land based Mig31/PAKFA forming 1000km long CAP picket lines like foxhound was designed to do via datalink


The more closer an ASW asset is to what it wants to defend the better , Its like arguing why does IN needs AC when MKI with long legs can reach the IOR in less than 30 mins, ASW aircraft have the severe limitation in its ability to operate over ICE covered areas where as ASW chopper can find those small areas fully covered with ice which having polynyas fly there dunk their sonar and get data and deploy weapons which ASW aircraft cant, also dont forget the great value of the huge sonar on Aircraft carrier plus LF Active Towed Sonar it can deploy for Kms.

The primary reason why Russia wants AC is to defend its strategic assest in nuclear conflict and for Air Cover of its CBG deployed near abroad .....fighting in mediterriane sea or land attack role is for secondary task in sub-strategic warfare , Their doctrine , philosophy training and tactics revolve around the former , Syrian conflict is a rare thing that no one had anticipated.


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