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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby Cain Marko » 08 Feb 2020 09:16

Dunno about the veracity of this claim but fascinating nevertheless
‘So, the presence of the dorsal mounting, and on a fighter no less means that not only is this the first DIRCM system ever put into a fighter, it’s one of the first DIRCM systems ever made with the goal of combating air to air missiles.’

https://theaviationgeekclub.com/did-you-know-the-su-57-felon-is-the-only-fighter-jet-equipped-with-dircm/amp

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Postby Philip » 08 Feb 2020 11:50

Bomb trucks with PGMs are doing the biz in Syria. What Ru gained froma brief sortie of the SU-57 there is anyone's guess. The top Ru mil priority is its strat. sub fleet and production of SSGN/ SSNs. Its latest range of missiles both offensive like Avantgard ,Kalibir- ER and defensixe- SAM systems. The SU-57 isn't a mass production programme,it's expensive.

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Postby brar_w » 08 Feb 2020 18:20

Cain Marko wrote:Dunno about the veracity of this claim but fascinating nevertheless


It has been rumored to be a DIRCM test system but I don't see where the other systems would be for adequate coverage. There was a DIRCM system developed for the F-35 as well by Northrop Grumman many years ago called the Threat Nullification Defensive Resource (ThNDR) linked below, but it appears none of the partners or users were interested. I think everyone is waiting to see how you mount an actual low-medium power High Energy Laser on fighters for self-defense. A podded test system will begin flight testing next year on an F-15 which will serve as a proof-of-concept for mounted systems later down the road.

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Philip wrote:The SU-57 isn't a mass production programme..


Over the years the official / semi-official word has been is that it is aimed at a 400-500 aircraft sized production run with about half of that destined for the Russian Air Force, and the remaining half for export. Had India stuck around and built on the nearly $250 Million invested in the program the projected need would have been around 120 fighters IIRC. Possibly more. Now add all the classic flanker operators and the projected export market could have been 2-3x of what the Indian demand was. Medium - Far term, you could even add the upgraded Flanker operators to the mix.

But now those numbers have changed. Russia is buying 78 aircraft by 2028 and there is currently no export customer. Without an export customer, I don't see them even getting to 100 operational aircraft (anywhere in the world) by 2030. It was projected to replace around 300 SU-27's in Russian service and even a subset of MiG-29's so I don't see how anyone could, with a straight face, claim that the PAKFA was not to be a mass produced programme. As currently planned it will be in trickle mode for most of this decade unless an export customer could come in and bank roll a large order and provide a much needed boost overall.

Russian combat aircraft production has fallen sharply over the last few years and since a subset of that is aimed at export the impact on actual combat aircraft modernization within the services is as much if not more severe with most plans likely being moved to the right.

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby pankajs » 09 Feb 2020 23:05

https://twitter.com/subnut/status/1226127191110488065
Vice Admiral Arun Kumar Singh @subnut

IMO, Russia has insufficient numbers but quality 4G SSNs, while PLAN has a long way to go wrt SSN quality & numbers. IMO. Chinese SSNs not yet at stealth level of even the sole 3G Akula SSN operated by IN.

Opinion of a Former senior Submariner of Indian Navy ..

May be we are interested in the 4G SSN tech for our build. Our concern is China and not Russia or America. America won't supply the tech/offer co-operation in such a closely guarded area but Russia just might .. for a price.

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Postby chola » 09 Feb 2020 23:13

^^^ I think the good Admiral is saying that we should not worry yet about Cheen SSNs. Their SSNs are behind the Akula we lease. We can use our budget elsewhere where the need is greater.

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Postby pankajs » 09 Feb 2020 23:17

IIRC, we have a SSN program underway and we "might" just decide to directly go 4G or at least incorporate "as much" 4G level tech as Russia is willing to share for a price of course.

While such deals are very hush hush the possibility exists given the past Russian co-operation with India.

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby AdityaM » 15 Feb 2020 14:54

Russians have been hacking GPS signals for protecting their assets.


http://www.businessinsider.com/gnss-hac ... gps-2019-4

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Postby Philip » 16 Feb 2020 11:19

Yes,the Akula we have,upgraded to at least Akula-2 std., far superior to the Chin SSNs,why we are so keen upon extra Akulas in the absence of speedy progress on the SSNs. If we acquire another 2 to 3 Akulas,the GOI opening the purse strings, these upgraded Akulas will be of Akula-3+ std. incorporating VLS cells like the 4th.gen Yasen and other improved eqpt. and sensors,plus new weaponry like Kalibir,Brahmos variants,etc.Operating 3 to 4 SSGNs in our neighbourhood and beyond would be a v.strong deterrent to intrusive Chin warships and subs. The more N-boats we operate the better,even if the cost factor is higher than that of AIP boats.

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Postby Philip » 17 Feb 2020 19:36

Hindu report: India inks 14 MoUs with Russia dfoe defence support,spares. These were signed during the Defexpo at Lucknow. The agree?ents are for spares and support forr Ru/ Sov. origin weaponry from MBTs,air-defence SAMs .One important MoU signed was cbetween BDL and Almaz Antey,feasibility of production of " air defence missile systems in India for Tunguska, Kvadrat,Osa- AKA, Pechora and Shilka ADG systems.

Other agreements include emerging tech AI,Internet of things, blockchain and robotics based upon Ru tech. Proposed: The Indo- Russia JV ICT Centre of Excellence.

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Postby Rakesh » 25 Feb 2020 06:40

Russian Navy ocean-going warship numbers to be radically reduced
https://www.janes.com/article/94464/rus ... ly-reduced
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Postby ranjan.rao » 04 Mar 2020 20:00

https://www.janes.com/article/94629/rus ... first-time

A Russian Navy warship has fired an NPO Mashinostroyeniya 3M22 Zircon (Tsirkon) hypersonic missile for the first time during trials in the Barents Sea.

Russian defence minister Sergei Shoigu confirmed the start of the test programme by the Northern Fleet during a meeting of his ministry's board on 28 February.

"The trials of new armament, including hypersonic weapons, continue. All this will make it possible to qualitatively boost the combat potential of the Russian Navy's Northern and other fleets," Shoigu was reported as telling the board meeting by Russian state news agency TASS on 28 February.

The test launch was part of the Northern Fleet's plan of activity for 2019-25, said Shoigu.

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Postby brar_w » 04 Mar 2020 21:03

It would be interesting to see where they optimize this system. TASS reports indicate a 500 km range class. The X-51 was in the 700-800 km class (with 500 km of it scramjet or rocket powered) with the HAWC expected to be in the 1000 km class which is where the USAF will also like to field a weapon system derived from it. Though for this application the design constraints around smaller corvettes may be different. The USAF is looking for a one for one swap with JASSMERs on its bomber and fighter fleet.

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Postby ranjan.rao » 04 Mar 2020 22:34

honestly, I am more interested in its, supposed relationship with Brahmos 2. I am assuming that they are not mutually independent. At this stage I am wondering who's feeding what. Russians havent shown much progress on this front although Avangard, Kinzhal seem to be on their way...(mindful that they are in different class and serve different purpose)

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Postby brar_w » 04 Mar 2020 22:39

ranjan.rao wrote:honestly, I am more interested in its, supposed relationship with Brahmos 2. I am assuming that they are not mutually independent. At this stage I am wondering who's feeding what. Russians havent shown much progress on this front although Avangard, Kinzhal seem to be on their way...(mindful that they are in different class and serve different purpose)


Avangard is a BGV based weapon and strictly a strategic system. Kinzhal is an aeroballistic missile derived from the Iskander and as such not really comparable in terms of being a hypersonic weapon of this class. If you describe Kinzhal in the same class then practically all ballistic missiles can be called hypersonic as they all fly at hypersonic speeds. The designs and capabilities offered by BGV's are very significant in terms of challenges they impose on their opponents and the way they will be utilized offensively. Generally, compared to an aeroballistic missile or a BM capable of mauevering you are looking at an atomoshpheric flight and skips lasting multiple order of magnitures. This could be 60+% of the total flight time of the weapon. Now think of this as a 20-25 minute skip and atmospheric flight time for medium to intermediate ranged missiles. That's closer to 2/3 of the total missile flight time right there. This is a challenge. A highly efficient HBGV will be slower in speed than a Ballistic Missile but far more complicated to detect, and defeat.

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby ranjan.rao » 04 Mar 2020 23:44

brar thanks for the explanation. my knowledge is pretty basic but i didnt think they are same..i just mentioned a passing remark that the weapons russians want for themselves are on their way. That said..let me know if there is something i can read to learn more on this

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby pankajs » 11 Mar 2020 18:02

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... submarine/
Inside Russia’s Laika Next Generation Attack Submarine
The Project 545 ‘Laika’ was first revealed in the background of a media report on a Russian defense exhibition in December. Although it has not been officially confirmed the new design is likely to be the next generation Russian attack submarine project known as Husky. The name Laika refers to a breed of Siberian hunting dog very similar to the husky.

The type follows on from the Pr.885/885M Severodvinsk-class cruise missile submarines (SSGN). But it is not a straightforward successor. Instead, it is the cheaper little brother, intended as a replacement for existing attack submarines. As the Severodvinsk-class (also known as Yasen-class) replaces the Oscar-II SSGNs, Laika will replace the Akula and Sierra classes.

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby Philip » 17 Mar 2020 09:00

We need a capable but affordable SSN. We should not fall into the trap of wanting the best of the best straight away.Some years ago there were reports that the IN was pissed because the Rus wouldn't give them a Yasen class SSGN when only one was in service! We don't have full N-sub tech. with us and only Russia is capable of assisting us given our long experience of operating Ru designs. Perhaps the Laika could be a base design to start from.

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby Zynda » 26 Mar 2020 14:07

Gotta hand it to the Russians...they produce good HQ videos of their products.

Su-57 which includes vertical firing of R-73

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby Indranil » 26 Mar 2020 20:49

Very nice!

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Postby Manish_P » 26 Mar 2020 21:52

Firing from external hard point?

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby Prem » 07 Apr 2020 09:59

Russian Military laser system on Gajraj
https://twitter.com/I30mki/status/12472 ... 25512?s=20

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby Kartik » 21 Apr 2020 03:54

From AW&ST

Russia restarts research on lightweight fighter


The Russian government has commissioned the Sukhoi and Mikoyan design bureaus to study aerodynamics for a new lightweight fighter, a Russian news report said on April 16.

The report by the RIA Novosti news service quotes the United Aircraft Corp. press service confirming the new study and cites an order statement published late last year onThe Russian government has commissioned the Sukhoi and Mikoyan design bureaus to study aerodynamics for a new lightweight fighter, a Russian news report said April 16.


The report by the RIA Novosti news service quotes the United Aircraft Corp. press service confirming the new study and cites an order statement published late last year on the Russian government’s procurement website.

“Conceptual research is underway,” the United Aircraft Corp. press service said, via RIA Novosti. “We are talking about new platforms for operational tactical aviation.”

The report adds to a series of official comments dating back to the early 2000s about Russian government interest in a lightweight analogue for the front-line, heavy Su-57 fighter.


In the Soviet era, the Russian military pursued a high-low mix of tactical fighters, including Sukhoi’s Su-27 and Mikoyan-Gurevich’s MiG-29.

In the last two decades, the government’s resources have focused on ushering the Su-57 into service, while Mikoyan produced an updated version of the MiG-29 called the MiG-35, which still lacks an export sale.

But government officials repeatedly have expressed interest in developing a new lightweight fighter, particularly for export customers that cannot afford a heavy fighter such as the Su-57. In 2013, then-Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said Mikoyan had started working on such a project. Two years later, the head of MiG was quoted saying the company was working on design concepts, leveraging the MiG 1.44 project dating back to the 1990s.

The scope of the new research activity is unclear, but the funding is very limited. RIA Novosti said the December order for research totaled only 4 million rubles. The value of the Russian currency has collapsed by 50% since the order was signed, but was then worth only about $100,000. the Russian government’s procurement website.


“Conceptual research is underway,” the United Aircraft Corp. press service said, via RIA Novosti. “We are talking about new platforms for operational tactical aviation.”


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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby Kartik » 22 Apr 2020 00:35

Expect Russia and agents to start pressing for T-14 Armata sales to India once it is made ready for export.

Russia tests Armata MBT in Syria

Russia has tested the T-14 Armata main battle tank (MBT) in an operational environment in Syria, Industry and Trade Minister Denis Manturov told the Rossiya-1 (Russia One) TV channel on 19 April.

He said serial deliveries of the Armata to the Ministry of Defence (MoD) would begin in 2021, after which Russia also plans to offer the tank for export. “Once deliveries of serial [production] MBTs to the MoD have started and we have received a licence for an export version, we will begin working with foreign customers,” Manturov stated.

He added that the Armata tank now has a high price tag as it undergoes additional trials and finetuning to meet the MoD’s request for new technical solutions.

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby brar_w » 22 Apr 2020 00:40

Kartik wrote:From AW&ST

Russia restarts research on lightweight fighter



Russia researches lightweight fighters the same way the USAF researches Light Attack aircraft. :rotfl:


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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby Prithwiraj » 28 Apr 2020 04:34

Russia is very badly hit by collapsing oil prices and it will surely impact their future weapons research and acquisition numbers. With limited budget they probably fold from Syria soon and also showcase more credible deterrent posturing by testing more SLBMs and ICMBs. I fear this is going to be a repeat of collapse of Soviet Union if not worse and many of the ongoing hulls of Yasen and Borei will be mothballed for lack of funds. Overseas exports will also dwindle which is critical for their MIC to survive. They will continue to spend low cost and low capital intensive psy-ops and cyber warfare

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Postby Philip » 28 Apr 2020 06:30

Russian debt is far less than that of many other nations.They have enough energy and mineral resources for their needs.Manpower is a problem,birth rates not enough and though they're importing v.little tx. to US/ EU sanctions,it is hurting.

However,there has been v.careful prioritisation of its defence.Top priority,strat. defence modernisation across the board.SSBNs,strat. bomber upgrades for TU-160s and Backfires.Even Bears are being upgraded and are happily doing the biz in Syria! New BMs like Avantgard,the Kanyon/ Status LR Nuclear torpedo and S-500 BM SAMs.

Then a new range of hypersonic and supersonic missiles,Tsirkon leading the pack entering service in 2021 after extensive tests this year from varied platforms.4++ gen. aircraft carrying some of these new stand-off weapons and new AAMs are sufficient ,with a smaller limited no. of stealth birds. Remember Adm.Greenert and his " bomb trucks instead of sports cars" statement? Even the IAF is looking at transports unleashing " swarms of drones".
So for the moment,upgraded SU-35s,34s,and 30s of Mki equiv std.
are good enough. Likewise upgraded T-90s in v.large number await gradual induction of Armatas as a land war with NATO is as likely as the sun rising in the west..as of now.

It is the RuN which appears to be getting max. assistance as Cold War replacements on a one-for-one basis aren't possible and innovative design is being applied to have smaller combatants with max. firepower equipped with the new weaponry.
Even the USN is looking at smaller surface combatants to be able to achieve the number of platforms required. The Adm.Gorshkov FFG of under 5000t is an excellent design, and a couple of new corvettes too. The Sov. era battlecruisers of the Kirov class,Slavas,etc. are also getting deep upgrades with Tsirkon,Kalibir et al. Cost-effectiveness and pragmatism is being shown in hard times.
A stealth lightweight fighter is a good idea which the IAF/ HAL should be doing instead with Tejas!

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Postby Prem » 28 Apr 2020 08:18

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/3 ... e-programs
Severnoye Design Bureau has stopped development entirely of its Project 23560 destroyers, also known as the Lider class, and the Project 22350M frigate, an expanded derivative of the Project 22350 Admiral Gorshkov class. The company has said these ships are among its most promising future offerings and the halting of the two programs has raised questions about its long-term financial stability.
Russian newspaper Interfax reported the new developments at Severnoye, which is part of the country's state-owned United Shipbuilding Corporation, on Apr. 18. The information was reportedly contained in an annual review of the shipbuilder's activities in 2019, which the outlet had obtained.The Lider destroyer, also referred to at times as the Shkval, was clearly an extremely ambitious project, perhaps overly so, from the very beginning. Though originally intended to be a conventionally powered warship, plans subsequently shifted to a nuclear-powered design. Its expected displacement also grew from already massive 12,000 to 13,000 tons to 19,000 tons, stretching its classification as a "destroyer."The Project 23560 design featured an especially heavy armament, including a vertical launch system array with 64 3S14 universal cells capable of firing various weapons, including Kalibr land-attack cruise missiles and Oniks supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles. The still-in-development hypersonic 3M22 Zircon cruise missile is also reportedly being designed to work with the 3S14 cell dimensions. The ships would also have a 56-cell navalized variant of the S-500 surface-to-air missile system, as well as separate launchers for the medium-range Redut surface-to-air missile and navalized Pantsir-M point-defense systems.
As of 2019, the estimated cost of each Project 23560 destroyer was 100 billion rubles, or around $1.5 billion at the time, which is cheaper than what the U.S. Navy spent on its much smaller, conventionally-powered late-model Flight II Arleigh Burkes. This seems exceptionally low for a ship of this size an

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Postby Vips » 28 Apr 2020 18:14

Prem wrote: Its expected displacement also grew from already massive 12,000 to 13,000 tons to 19,000 tons, stretching its classification as a "destroyer."The Project 23560 design featured an especially heavy armament, including a vertical launch system array with 64 3S14 universal cells capable of firing various weapons, including Kalibr land-attack cruise missiles and Oniks supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles. The still-in-development hypersonic 3M22 Zircon cruise missile is also reportedly being designed to work with the 3S14 cell dimensions. The ships would also have a 56-cell navalized variant of the S-500 surface-to-air missile system, as well as separate launchers for the medium-range Redut surface-to-air missile and navalized Pantsir-M point-defense systems.


:shock: :shock:
Supersonic, Hypersonic, Kalibr and S500 Missiles. Simply Awesome. This single ship out in the ocean would take out anything and everything aimed at it. Pakistan would simply declare itself a part of republic of china if India even thinks of buying this 'destroyer'.

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Postby John » 28 Apr 2020 20:43

Vips wrote:
Prem wrote: Its expected displacement also grew from already massive 12,000 to 13,000 tons to 19,000 tons, stretching its classification as a "destroyer."The Project 23560 design featured an especially heavy armament, including a vertical launch system array with 64 3S14 universal cells capable of firing various weapons, including Kalibr land-attack cruise missiles and Oniks supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles. The still-in-development hypersonic 3M22 Zircon cruise missile is also reportedly being designed to work with the 3S14 cell dimensions. The ships would also have a 56-cell navalized variant of the S-500 surface-to-air missile system, as well as separate launchers for the medium-range Redut surface-to-air missile and navalized Pantsir-M point-defense systems.


:shock: :shock:
Supersonic, Hypersonic, Kalibr and S500 Missiles. Simply Awesome. This single ship out in the ocean would take out anything and everything aimed at it. Pakistan would simply declare itself a part of republic of china if India even thinks of buying this 'destroyer'.


Ironically they were trying to sell the previous Destroyer design as joint venture to us. Russians dropped it and moved on to
Lider class. Which also has been cancelled. I am thinking these are just designs to entice foreign buyer.

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby nachiket » 28 Apr 2020 22:17

John wrote:Ironically they were trying to sell the previous Destroyer design as joint venture to us. Russians dropped it and moved on to
Lider class. Which also has been cancelled. I am thinking these are just designs to entice foreign buyer.

The Chinese are the only ones who would have even thought of buying this behemoth. Might be too much even for them.

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Postby Vips » 29 Apr 2020 08:18

Chinese Navy really suffers when compared to the US. Considering the Chinese fancy themselves as a competitor to the US and they recently have scaled back and cancelled their plans for a super carriers it would be fool hardy of them not to take advantage of a Russian offer for Lider class if available to them.

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Postby John » 30 Apr 2020 06:35

Vips wrote:Chinese Navy really suffers when compared to the US. Considering the Chinese fancy themselves as a competitor to the US and they recently have scaled back and cancelled their plans for a super carriers it would be fool hardy of them not to take advantage of a Russian offer for Lider class if available to them.

Lider is so far out there I doubt anyone took the design seriously lot of tech like nuclear propulsion, weapon systems where all poc and required extensive funding. i don't know about Lider but they were offering Project 21956 to us a decade ago but without Russian navy buying any of them i doubt we would committed to throwing billions at it.

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby Cain Marko » 04 May 2020 23:47

I'm not much into russki strategic weapons but whaaat is this ocean bottom Skiff mijjile :shock:

https://tass.com/defense/976672

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Postby Rakesh » 05 May 2020 23:05

https://twitter.com/vkthakur/status/125 ... 93856?s=20 ---> An intriguing photograph of a MiG-31 (BM or K) accompany this Russian MoD press release. Wonder what is/are the missile(s) below the aircraft?

https://twitter.com/CombatAir/status/12 ... 34208?s=20 ---> Those are R-33 (AA-9 AMOS).

https://twitter.com/vkthakur/status/125 ... 38530?s=20 ---> Thanks! When you zoom in, the background missile appears larger than the one in the foreground which makes one think they are not the same missiles.

https://twitter.com/CombatAir/status/12 ... 45346?s=20 ---> Optical illusion, I think, due to radome on forward missile being obscured.

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https://twitter.com/vkthakur/status/125 ... 54976?s=20 ---> This 2.5x zoom of the MiG-31BM (from the same exercise?) shows the semi recessed R-33s more clearly? And would that be a EW pod under the right wing inner pylon?

https://twitter.com/Mahendr39411643/sta ... 59170?s=20 ---> Semi-recessed to reduce drag and RCS?

https://twitter.com/CombatAir/status/12 ... 14177?s=20 ---> This one’s flying completely ‘clean’. R-33 missile recesses are visible though. Both inner underwing pylons have adapter rails for AAMs.

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Postby Kartik » 02 Jul 2020 01:03

Finally some details on what caused the first production Su-57 to crash. It turns out to be related to a production defect and a FCS processor failure.

From AW&ST


GDANSK, Poland—The Russian aviation industry has pinpointed the factors leading to a December crash of the first preproduction Sukhoi Su-57 fighter for the nation’s military. The second aircraft is scheduled to be ready in the second half of this year, as weapons-integration testing continues on the advanced aircraft.

The 2019 crash, about 75 mi. (120 km) from the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aircraft Plant’s airfield, was caused by two factors: The manufacturer incorrectly adjusted the tail plane drive, which overlapped with a failure of one of the flight control system processors, according to a summary published by the Russian aviation industry consulting firm Aviaprom.

The accident involving the first preseries Su-57, No. 01, occurred during the handover flight before it was scheduled to be delivered to the 23rd Fighter Aviation Regiment stationed at the same airfield. The pilot, Aleksey Gorshkov from the defense ministry’s 485th Military Mission at the Komsomolsk-on-Amur factory, ejected successfully.

The reasons for the crash included “incorrect adjustment of the first channel of BUP-50 [the Russian acronym for drive control unit] of the left tail plane section as a result of violation of requirements of operating manual of the KSU-50-01 [the Russian acronym for complex flight control system], and a failure of processor ‘A’ of the BU-7 module of the ShS-80-01 block of the KSU-50-01 system,” says the document, published in May.

The second Su-57, No. 02, is to be ready by year-end. The preliminary batch of these two fighters was ordered during the Russian Army 2018 exhibition that August.


Then, in July 2019, the Russian defense ministry ordered an undefined number of fighters for delivery in 2021-27.

Russian President Vladimir Putin, in May 2019, publicly recommended that the ministry “reequip three Aerospace Force air regiments with the Su-57s.” That would equate to six 12-ship squadrons, or 72 aircraft. Other Russian officials have mentioned the number 76 several times; it is not known if the earlier two preseries aircraft are included in this amount.

Weapons Testing

The current stage of Su-57 testing is focused on integrating new weapon types. The Russian JSC Tactical Missile Corp. (KTRV) has created a new set of air-to-ground missiles especially for the Su-57.

“[The developers] did not have any problems with externally carried weapons,” KTRV CEO Boris Obnosov told the media this February. "But to fit a missile inside the fuselage smaller dimensions, folding wings and fins are required. There are also certain difficulties at the missile launch from an enclosed space, as additional loads on the airplane arise.”

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby brar_w » 02 Jul 2020 01:10

^^ Butowski confirms something that has been doing the rounds for quite a while - No more than 2 series ("pre-series"?? Is that LRIP-0??) aircraft are to be delivered in 2020. In fact it could be down to just 1 being delivered by the end of the year barring any last minute delays due to covid etc. A good little nugget of data when evaluating MOD/IAF's decision to pull out of the program back in 2018 .


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