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Russian weapons and military technology

Postby shiv » 25 Sep 2015 06:31

I had earlier started a thread on US military tech and weapons because of the huge presence the US has and its leadership in producing new classes of weapons that everyone is told will be "the future of war" - even though the weapons may only be "the future of weapons exports".

What we miss, because it is all in Russian is what the Russian are doing. India has a long history of using Russian weapons and weapons systems.

The K-13 missile was the first AAM we got. We have had so many Russian weapons since then

AAMs:
K-13
R-60
R-73
R-27
R-77

SAMs:
SA-2
SA-6
Igla Manpad

SSMs:
Smerch
Styx

ASMs
I can't recall the designations - KH 31 is one

PGMs
KAB-500


And yet we have no thread for following what the Russians are doing. The Russians have a different philosophy from the west. I hope to remedy that with this thread.

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Postby shiv » 25 Sep 2015 06:43

Here is some news from the recent MAKS about new Russian AGMs for the PAK-FA (Courtesty Air International)
The most interesting is the Grom (Thunder; izdeliye, product 80). There are two versions: the Grom-E1 rocket-powered
missile and the Grom-E2 glide bomb, (theE denotes the export version). Obnosov said the Grom is being developed from the
Kh-38M missile, which enters production this year, by adding a module with a long folding wing and extendable empennage.
A Grom-E1 was presented in the TMC hall and the Grom-E2 was suspended under the wing of the MiG-29M (MiG-35) multi-
role fighter on static display.

The Grom has a length of about 4.2m (13.8ft) and body diameter of 310mm (12in). The Grom-1’s launch weight is 520kg
(1,146lb) with a 250kg (551lb) warhead; the Grom-2 has an additional 130kg (287lb) warhead instead of the rocket motor.

Obnosov didn’t disclose the Grom’s rangebut it is believed to be longer than the Kh-38M’s 40km (25 miles) or 80km (50 miles) in
the version without the terminal seeker. The Grom-1’s speed is probably slightly lower than the Kh-38M’s Mach 2.2.
Both Grom missiles on display had pointed, dielectric nose radomes, suggesting they house an active or passive radar seeker.
However, Obnosov claimed the Grom is guided by an inertial navigation system with satellite navigation correction and doesn’t
have a terminal seeker.


The TMC Raduga Kh-59MK2 cruise missile, an equivalent to the MBDA Storm Shadow, was shown as the manufacturer searches for a potential foreign investor. The missile is 4.2m (13.8ft) in length, 400mm (15.7in) wide and 400mm (15.7in) tall, and its deployable wing has a 2.45m (8ft) span The 770kg (1,698lb) missile has a 1,000km/h (621mph) speed at its 50-300m (164-984ft) cruise altitude and is intended to destroy small strengthened targets. It uses the Kh-555 strategic cruise missile’s guidance system, and features a gimbal-less inertial navigation with GPS/GLONASS correction on the cruise path and electro-optical digital scene matching area correlation (DSMAC). Its accuracy is 3-5m (10-16ft).


The Raduga Kh-58UShKE anti-radar missile in its basic version has been tested on an Su-34 tactical bomber and
preparation for series production has been ongoing for several years. Vladimir Trusov, the head of Raduga, told the author during
MAKS that the missile “is just completing tests, not much is to go”. It is a thorough upgrade of the Soviet Kh-58U. The K in its
designation is for Kompaktnaya (compact), and the ‘Sh’ is for Shirokodiapazonnaya (wide-band seeker). The missile’s length is
4.19m (13.8ft), body diameter 0.38m (15in), and its launch weight is 650kg (1,433lb). When launched from 20,000m (65,617ft) at
Mach 1.5, the missile’s range is 245km (152 miles) or 76km (47 miles) at low altitude. Its maximum speed is 4,200km/h (2,610mph).
At MAKS a new version of the Kh-58UShKE(IIR), with two additional imaging infrared sensors for the missile seeker, was
presented for the first time. Trusov explained the sensor provides additional target information and “increases the reliability and
effectiveness of aiming”, as “when operating, ground-based air defence radar radiates great energy and gets warm”

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Postby shiv » 25 Sep 2015 06:55

KAB-500 dropped from a MiG 21 IIRC :eek:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYrE2EMzN4Y

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Postby shiv » 25 Sep 2015 14:25

Cross post
ArmenT wrote:This documentary is from the early 2000s, but has some nice details about the Typhoon (Akula) class subs. The sub featured in this programme is the Severstal (TK-20). The documentary is about 55 minutes long, so grab a nice drink and watch.


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Postby Karan M » 25 Sep 2015 15:10

shiv wrote:KAB-500 dropped from a MiG 21 IIRC :eek:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYrE2EMzN4Y


Brilliant video Shiv, and completely supports your point about how warhead size does matter.

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Postby kit » 25 Sep 2015 17:07

airburst and impact explosions work differently i think ..a bigger warhead will have more effect via air burst than impact but multiple smaller warheads would have a greater effect on impact ..same goes for nuclear weapons too .. multiple kiloton warheads produce greater damage than a single megaton weapon

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Postby Philip » 25 Sep 2015 17:17

"The Ubiquitous Kilo",was the title of a Janes' feature 15 years ago,which remarked how the sub was still doing well internationally and its attributes. This "80s tech sub is still being sold around the world,in its latest 636.3 avatar,a much improved version of the original.The subs are extremely quiet,easy tomoperate and very cheap.Vietnam is the latest nation to operate Kilos,with 6 on order,the last 2 expected next year. Their 6 subs cost just $300M a sub.half the price of a Scorpene or U-Boat.

http://thediplomat.com/2015/09/indonesi ... om-russia/
Indonesia to Buy New Submarines from Russia
Officials remain bullish about purchase in spite of budget cuts.
By Prashanth Parameswaran
September 25, 2015

The Indonesian Navy revealed earlier this week that it plans to purchase two new submarines to augment its fleet.

Navy spokesman Comr. Muhammad Zainuddin told The Jakarta Post that it had opted to procure two Kilo-class submarines from Russia as part of the strategic planning for the next few years. The submarine procurement plan was also confirmed by Indonesian defense minister Ryamizard Ryacudu, who noted that it was consistent with President Joko “Jokowi” Widodo’s plan to buy new weapons systems instead of second-hand items.

The choice of Russian submarines is far from surprising. The Russian government has repeatedly approached the Indonesian government to offer Kilo-class Type 636 submarines as part of a broader effort to broaden their defense relationship. In January, Russia’s ambassador to Indonesia MY Galuzin made a similar pitch when he met with Ryacudu.

Zainuddin’s comments come weeks after news that the Indonesian government under Jokowi would cut the country’s defense budget for next year amid economic woes despite earlier conditional pledges – including from Jokowi himself – to increase it (See: “Will Indonesia Double its Military Budget in 2016?”).

As I reported then, while some had worried about the implications for Indonesia’s ongoing military modernization, including Jokowi’s own “global maritime fulcrum” vision, defense officials and legislators had suggested that key purchases – including submarines – would not be impacted (See: “Why is Indonesia Set to Cut its Military Budget for 2016?”).

When asked about these concerns following an address to the U.S.-Indonesia Society (USINDO) earlier this month, Indonesia’s Speaker of the House of Representatives Setya Novanto told The Diplomat that officials were in the process of ensuring that “priority purchases” – including submarines, helicopters and planes – would not be affected. Zainuddin seemed to echo this sentiment, noting that the purchase plan for submarines was still on the table despite the budget cuts and was awaiting further discussion with the Defense Ministry.

Indonesia currently has only two German-built Type-209 submarines, which is woefully inadequate for the world’s largest archipelagic state. It is also a far cry from the 1960s and 1970s, when Jakarta operated one of the most powerful submarine forces in the Asia-Pacific, with 12 Whiskey-class submarines purchased from the Soviet Union. Those submarines were gradually decommissioned, the last in 1990.

If successfully procured, the two Russian submarines, in addition to three South Korean submarines ordered back in 2012 that are expected to arrive around April 2017, would give Indonesia a total of seven submarines. But with the two Type-209s expected to be decommissioned by 2020, Indonesia would still be far short of the 12 submarines that Indonesian defense officials – including former navy chief Admiral Marsetio – have said that the country needs to police its waters, as Zainuddin himself reiterated.

But that would still constitute an advance for Jakarta in Southeast Asia’s ongoing submarine race amid concerns about its capabilities (See: “Between Aspirations and Reality: Indonesian Foreign Policy After the 2014 Elections”). Within the subregion, Malaysia, Singapore and Vietnam already have submarines, while Thailand and the Philippines are eyeing the capability as well as part of their broader military modernization ambitions (See: “Is China’s New Submarine Deal with Thailand Now in Peril?”).

That being said, specifics still remain unclear. Zainuddin reportedly said that Indonesia had yet to decide which type would be purchased. He also declined to provide further information on how the purchase would be financed in the wake of the economic slowdown, which is an important consideration. Russian media reports also noted that no date or deadline was specified for the signing of a potential contract.

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Postby Austin » 25 Sep 2015 17:22

shiv wrote:KAB-500 dropped from a MiG 21 IIRC :eek:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYrE2EMzN4Y


Shiv , From the Manuf

http://eng.ktrv.ru/production_eng/323/518/519/

The total weight of KAB-500 is 520 kg , 300 kg is warhead and 100 kg is HE.

I dont know what they mean by warhead and HE two different things I guess

Must be the bison to drop it that accurately they have some sort of computer aided weapons delivery , Eons back I used to used read Jags has the best Computer Aided Dumb bomb delivery system remember reading even got better off the F-16A in NATO exercise.

I think with DARIN 3 and plus they would have gone much better

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Postby Singha » 25 Sep 2015 19:11

short docu on the Su25 Frogfoot. shows the strength of its titanium bathtub against 20mm rounds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtAThLpxmxw

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Postby shiv » 25 Sep 2015 20:47

Austin wrote:The total weight of KAB-500 is 520 kg , 300 kg is warhead and 100 kg is HE.

I dont know what they mean by warhead and HE two different things I guess

Must be the bison to drop it that accurately they have some sort of computer aided weapons delivery ,

Austin that warhead would be the penetrator warhead for hardened bunkers - with the extra weight being some heavy, hard casing to aid penetration before the blast.

I think the MiG 21 version was the TV guided one that could be locked on to a visual image. But of course that also means that smoke/dust etc would cause problems.

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Postby shiv » 25 Sep 2015 20:49

kit wrote:airburst and impact explosions work differently i think ..a bigger warhead will have more effect via air burst than impact but multiple smaller warheads would have a greater effect on impact ..same goes for nuclear weapons too .. multiple kiloton warheads produce greater damage than a single megaton weapon

Separate warheads for separate functions. Fuel Air Explosive (FAE) for airburst and delayed/penetration HE for hardened bunkers

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Postby Karan M » 25 Sep 2015 21:28

shiv wrote:
Austin wrote:The total weight of KAB-500 is 520 kg , 300 kg is warhead and 100 kg is HE.

I dont know what they mean by warhead and HE two different things I guess

Must be the bison to drop it that accurately they have some sort of computer aided weapons delivery ,

Austin that warhead would be the penetrator warhead for hardened bunkers - with the extra weight being some heavy, hard casing to aid penetration before the blast.

I think the MiG 21 version was the TV guided one that could be locked on to a visual image. But of course that also means that smoke/dust etc would cause problems.


http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Rus-GBU.html

The KAB-500Kr series are Electro-Optical guided bombs. The seeker employs a gimballed daylight television imaging sensor under a wide angle glass dome. Unlike the earlier US GBU-8 HOBOS and AGM-65 Maverick which employed contrast lock technology, the -Kr series guidance system employs Scene Matching Area Correlation technology more akin to the US Navy DAMASK seeker or Tomahawk DSMAC. This results in the ability to attack low contrast targets by exploiting the contrast of nearby terrain features or objects. IOC was achieved in 1984.

The cited CEP is 4 to 7 metres which is consistent with this style of seeker and the P-nav control loop technology involved.

The Krym series Electro-Optical seeker is built by OAO Impuls. It is limited to daylight operation. The 10 kg SU-601 guidance and control module is built by Tambovskii Elektropribor and comprises a BU-56 control unit and PG-9-2 gas generator.

Variants:

KAB-500Kr-Pr-E - Penetrating bunker buster with subclaibre warhead.
KAB-500Kr-F-E - Blast fragmentation warhead equivalent to M118.
KAB-500Kr-OD-E - thermobaric warhead / FAE.
KAB-500Kr-K-E - cluster warhead.

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Postby ramana » 26 Sep 2015 03:18

Mig 27 Upgrade by IAF


Weapon accuracy was a real concern. During upgrade trials, an upgraded MiG-27 conducted an HALR laser-pod assisted drop of a 500-kg dumb bomb from 7.5-km. Its missed distance was 15-metres. This was a dumb bomb, not a PGM.


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Postby Austin » 28 Sep 2015 15:55

Russian Stealth Ship Killers Debut at MAKS 2015

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Another new guided weapon displayed by the Tactical Missiles Corporation was the 256 kg guided bomb. The weapon uses a GLONASS/SAL guidance kit enabling it to hit targets with an accuracy of less than five meters. The bomb uses three-mode fusing enabling impact, delay (penetration) or air-burst effects.

The guided weapon comes at a length of 3.2 meters and diameter of 255mm, with height of tails and stabilizers minimized by using four twin-blade rudders, providing roll and pitch for the weapon guidance, while maintaining the width and height compatible with internal carriage.

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Postby Philip » 28 Sep 2015 18:53

Same link/source has it that Egypt will but 50 KA-52 Alligators for the Mistrals. Those who were at the very first Air Show in BLR will remember the Alligator and MI-28 first displayed abroad at the show.

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Postby shiv » 28 Sep 2015 19:16

Philip wrote:Same link/source has it that Egypt will but 50 KA-52 Alligators for the Mistrals. Those who were at the very first Air Show in BLR will remember the Alligator and MI-28 first displayed abroad at the show.

I guess you're talking about this Philip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUrolSOG5Q8

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Postby Austin » 29 Sep 2015 08:39

The 256 kg bomb above are similar to KAB-500/1500 series but with lower payload i.e KAB-250 kg , The 256 Kg weapon would have atleast 150 kg explosive

http://eng.ktrv.ru/production_eng/323/518/

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Postby Philip » 29 Sep 2015 09:24

Shiv,good on you! Was it really 19 years ago? How time has flown.The beast does look like a gator with its snout,doesn't it?

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Postby Austin » 29 Sep 2015 09:48

shiv wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUrolSOG5Q8


Nice Video and indeed 20 years have passed , Since the first AI , Cant believe !

The single seater Ka-50 did not go into production beyond single digit iirc and replace by the twin seater 52 , they found 50 to be too complex to be handled by single pilot on combat mission.

Good PR Video on 52

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp4A4bu41bM

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Postby member_20067 » 30 Sep 2015 20:37

A lot of folklore around Su-34 having a toilet for the pilots--- this video clears it firm and clear-----check out last 20 secs of the video


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Postby Austin » 01 Oct 2015 12:01

NBC Training , Pilots flying with NBC gear in Ka-52 ( Pictures )

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1499088.html


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Postby Thakur_B » 03 Oct 2015 14:48

Prithwiraj wrote:A lot of folklore around Su-34 having a toilet for the pilots--- this video clears it firm and clear-----check out last 20 secs of the video



Su-34 does have a toilet, IIRC, it's a hand held suction pump the size of a blow dryer :D

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Postby shiv » 03 Oct 2015 16:14

Thakur_B wrote:
Su-34 does have a toilet, IIRC, it's a hand held suction pump the size of a blow dryer :D

No suction. Just a piss pot like people use in hospitals except it has a lid.

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Postby Karan M » 07 Oct 2015 02:27

Shiv, here is the Russian equivalent of the Textron SFW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=171&v=ECHqRL_nKQ0

Note how SDRE the entire process is. Robust design, hand assembled.

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Postby srai » 07 Oct 2015 04:29

Prithwiraj wrote:A lot of folklore around Su-34 having a toilet for the pilots--- this video clears it firm and clear-----check out last 20 secs of the video


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That explains why no g-suits :wink:

Aditya G wrote:Su-34 pilots in Syria. Look ma no g-suits

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Postby Nick_S » 07 Oct 2015 19:34

srai wrote:That explains why no g-suits :wink:


Su-30SM (MKI derived russian flanker) ... no g-suits here either.



Mijjiles being fired at targets in syria.


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Postby Singha » 07 Oct 2015 19:42

piss pot beats adult diapers.

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Postby Aditya G » 08 Oct 2015 01:42

This is what launched 1500 click cruise missiles at Syria:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buyan-cla ... rakhan.jpg

all of 500 tons. And they did it from the Caspian Sea! Deploying the Moskva in the med was clearly a distraction.

Philip saar must sleep a satisfied man today.

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Postby bhavani » 08 Oct 2015 03:09

Which missile on that small ship can strike at 1500 KM - The club series or the older SS-N-27. When i saw the missiles i was like, which ones are these. found no info on media.

The 3M-14T does have a range of 2500Km. do we have it?

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Postby Viv S » 08 Oct 2015 04:06

Aditya G wrote:This is what launched 1500 click cruise missiles at Syria:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buyan-cla ... rakhan.jpg

all of 500 tons. And they did it from the Caspian Sea! Deploying the Moskva in the med was clearly a distraction.

Philip saar must sleep a satisfied man today.


Seems like a PR exercise - why would you launch a cruise missile barrage from a 1000 km away, when you have 30 fighters situated just a few minutes flying time away. Its not like ISIS has any real air defences to worry about.

Maybe they see its as an opportunity to boost morale and self-esteem of the Caspian flotilla, which is basically patrolling a big lake that also happens to borders Iran and a few CIS states.

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Postby Singha » 08 Oct 2015 05:41

It is non export version of klub called kalbir or kalibr and chetawani to gcc states that big daddy 5th fleet in Bahrain cannot save them from this angle as most flight time will be over Iran

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Postby Cain Marko » 08 Oct 2015 07:30

Daaaamn! That little ship is supposed to carry teeny sizzlers - which in turn are supposed to have a range of wonlee 300km; now we see them crossing 1000km! No wonder even small sausages weigh so much when they are made by the big bear.

Should put an end to the often pondered question, how is it that a missile as small as the ASMP has a range that matches the Brahmos...the above makes it clear, it doesn't. IIRC Pillai (or was it VKS) had casually mentioned a 600km range on the Bmos, absolute monster, no wonder the services are ordering it in such a hurry.

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Postby bhavani » 08 Oct 2015 07:36

How do they reduce the range on the export version of these missiles, by decreasing the propellant load, changing the electronics, or messing up with guidance software?

For a Missile like Brahmos or Klub is there a chance that we can go around these and achieve the original range of 1000-1500 Miles.

The Kalibr thingy has a range of around 2500 KM. That is way more range than what the Russians are using at right now.

The SS-N-27 is rumored to have 3000 miles. WOW. They might as well have missiles on the Russian border and salvo fire them.

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Postby Austin » 08 Oct 2015 08:17

bhavani wrote:How do they reduce the range on the export version of these missiles, by decreasing the propellant load, changing the electronics, or messing up with guidance software?


Same as Brahmos , Software Lock , if you heard Dr Pillai comment at seminar at AI , he mentioned if Brahmos cross the range limit it would self destruct.

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^^^
BRAHMOS is in Mach 3 regime , those cruise missiles that the Ruskis fired are sub sonic , get mach numbers during terminal phase.


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