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Russian weapons and military technology

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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

Postby Pratyush » 02 Apr 2017 09:01

With the Russians the biggest challenge is the budget. If they can pay for these subs. Then the boat's will be built.

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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

Postby Austin » 02 Apr 2017 11:11

These money are already paid for , USC order books are full till 2023. https://www.google.co.in/amp/tass.com/d ... 936596/amp

Their current problem is other way round they don't have enough yards capacity to make all category of ships leading to delays for domestic use not to mention the export orders

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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

Postby Aditya G » 02 Apr 2017 20:41

innovative russian corvette design:

Project 20386

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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

Postby Philip » 03 Apr 2017 10:12

Yes,v.interesting,the ASW helo in a hangar below via a deck lift,kalibir SSMs,etc.There don't seem to be any MBUs however. I'm sure the forward end of the vessel could've been rdesigned,with a 76mm main gun instead of the 100mm gun,so that an MBU could've been installed. The main gun could've been installed in "A" position,with a raised eck behind it to accommodate the VLS SAMs and an MBU.There is also no platforms amidships for 12.7mm mountings,v.useful in dealing with small craft ,etc, on kamikaze runs like the Cole attack.These corvettes are over 3000t,which is a lot.An interesting comparison with our even larger P-28s.

Here is a site which gives great cutaway details,etc. of the various elements of the very verstaile corvette.Containers for Klub/kalibir missiles.space/systems below helo deck,etc.
https://thaimilitaryandasianregion.word ... corvettes/

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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

Postby Philip » 03 Apr 2017 16:56

"Sounds" intriguing,pardon the pun!

https://sputniknews.com/military/201704 ... es-sonars/
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Sonic Shield: Unique Device Renders Russian Navy Invisible to Torpedoes
MILITARY & INTELLIGENCE
16:33 02.04.2017
Russian engineers have developed a unique device capable of jamming torpedoes' target-seeking heads and blinding the sonar equipment used by submarines; the device is due to add significantly to the combat capability of the Russian Navy's Pacific Fleet.
2017/ RAIGO PAJULA

The Russian newspaper Izvestia reported that a miniature device, which is capable of jamming torpedoes' target-seeking heads and submarine sonars has been put into service at the Russian Navy.
"The Small-Size Hydroacoustic Countermeasure Device Vist-2" is launched from a submarine or surface ship and creates a powerful acoustic hindrance, which silences the homing heads of enemy torpedoes or enemy submarine sonars.

"Additionally, the 80-centimeter device, Vist-2, which weighs just 13.5 kilograms, can be transformed into a 'false target' thanks to the emission of a special signal that simulates a ship or a submarine," Izvestia said.

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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

Postby Austin » 08 Apr 2017 16:52

About creating a new generation of helicopters

Speech at the first meeting of the College of Aviation at the Government of the Russian Federation 06.03.2017

https://www.aex.ru/docs/3/2017/3/20/2582/

Boginsky Andrei Ivanovich
Director General of JSC "Russian Helicopters"


Dear colleagues! In the development and manufacture of helicopters holding company "Russian Helicopters", it uses as its own scientific and technical potential, and also the achievements of Russian science and technology organizations. Improving the range of development carried out in two areas: modernization of existing machines and the creation of a new generation of helicopters. The major criteria for deciding whether a customer-oriented and multi-purpose nature of the art being created. It caters not only to the needs of customers, but also to strengthen the position of the Russian helicopter industry, as well as the domestic and global markets.

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Currently, the most widespread in the domestic market are middle-class helicopters. Certified and started the production of multi-purpose helicopter Mi-171A2, which will replace the Mi-8, Mi-17. At the helicopter made more than 20 major design changes. Helicopter has a powerful economic engine Russian production "Klimov", a new rotor with composite blades improved aerodynamics and a so-called glass cockpit.

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In the development of a set of measures has been provided, which allowed to reduce labor costs for maintenance, optimize the cost of flight hours and implement the concept of reducing costs for our operators. The helicopter used for transport and passenger transport in the interests of a wide range of operators, including transportation of the watch, loads on offshore rigs in the interests of fuel and energy complex. In 2017, it will be produced and delivered to customers 4 helicopters.

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Work continues on the implementation of the program of promotion of the new Mi-38. Thanks to the technical solutions used the helicopter is superior to other helicopters in its class in payload, passenger capacity, the basic flight characteristics. The helicopter is certified, the first delivery of the passenger modification of the helicopter is planned in 2018. The helicopter can be used in a wide range of climatic conditions, including marine, tropical, cool climate, including in the Arctic.

Currently, the holding company specialists are working to further expand the performance, increased payload, enhance operational capabilities in the high altitude and extreme temperatures.

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The class of light helicopters manufactured by the holding company, represented by models "ANSAT" and Ka-226. Light multipurpose helicopter "ANSAT" certified in a variety of applications - passenger, health, universal. We assume that it will replace the Mi-2 on the whole range of tasks, ensure a high level of safety and enhanced transport capabilities.

In 2016 the first Russian cars to commercial customers, export contracts have been delivered. The machine has a spacious cargo cabin, which is being converted to different variants of the target application. "ANSAT" can be used to solve a wide range of tasks. Currently, this is the most sought-after helicopter to meet the challenges of air ambulance, it can also be used for cargo delivery, passenger and initial training.

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Light multipurpose helicopter Ka-226T is built on a modular pattern and is available in a variety of targeted modifications, apply to a wide range of tasks in the interests of civil air operations. Ka-226T has increased altitude performance. Today, among other things, we are actively pursuing the Russian-Indian project for the joint production of helicopters.

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Separately, the direction of the national economy problems - a helicopter for operation in harsh climatic conditions and helicopters for Arctic conditions. In addition to helicopters, which are now produced and are planning to start in the near future, the holding is already supplying modern equipment, which is adapted for use in regions with poorly developed transport networks, in the far north, in the Arctic. In 2016, 4 of the helicopter for the company "Rosneft" were delivered. The Mi-38 will create new transport capacity for government and commercial customers.

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Promising average commercial helicopter. On the basis of scientific and technical reserve formed in previous years, including in the framework of long-term high-speed helicopter, which is implemented under the auspices of the Industry and Trade Ministry, is developing a promising medium commercial helicopter. Basic helicopter configuration provides the ability to create a wide range of civil helicopter modifications and special purpose. Features allow you to carry up to 22 passengers.

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The helicopter of light class. Another direction of the holding company is to create a single-engine light multipurpose helicopter maximum takeoff weight of up to 2 tons. It is the mass segment of the global civil helicopter market, related to general aviation. For us, this new segment.

Here, we set ourselves the following objectives:

* create a product attractive for commercial customers as well as for personal use;
* to enter new markets for us;
* This helicopter has good prospects in the niche corporate transport, monitoring fuel and energy facilities, initial training.

A key advantage of the product is the transport performance and range, the best-in-class helicopters.

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Today Dmitry O. and colleagues have already talked about the fact that the state attaches great importance to the aviation industry. In previous periods was GTLK capitalize not only on the job of aircraft, last year 3.8 billion rubles were made in GTLK capital to address the medical evacuation tasks. These funds are used for the construction of "ANSAT", Mi-8 and Mi-17. Today, together, our colleagues from GTLK, Industry and Trade and the Ministry of Health are actively working with the regions. Today we see increased demand and would ask colleagues to support us in this and in the following periods.

Entering the market with the new civilian products always fraught with additional financial burden, as the manufacturer, and the operator. Success in sales depends largely on the development of the market of services and availability of financial instruments. As I said, the program is actively developing on medevakuatsiya, extending the vesting period for 2018 and subsequent years will allow us to increase the order book and the regions to raise the level of medical care, especially in critical situations and difficult terrain. Also, we consider it expedient to study the possibility of including helicopter services in the compulsory health insurance scheme (OMC), which would allow to offset the costs, including insurance companies and organizations in the medical evacuation. Solution of the problem to improve the transport accessibility could also help to subsidize passenger traffic, using helicopters in remote areas, the organization of regular routes in areas with underdeveloped land transport infrastructure and the development of ground infrastructure for use of helicopters.

Dear Dmitry O.! Dear members of the board, we were asked to give relevant instructions in the minutes of today's meeting, to include in the plan the discussion of these issues at the upcoming meeting of the Board. In general, I have everything. Accordingly, the main problem that we see today, are actively developing - is to increase accessibility for carriers of our aircraft. Of course, the new aircraft technology will be more expensive than the amortized equipment produced earlier. That's just solve this problem, it seems to us, it should be discussed in the next meeting of the Board. In order to harmonize the approaches, both for producers and for the operators.

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Postby Aditya G » 09 Apr 2017 14:26

Philip wrote:....There don't seem to be any MBUs however.....


Thanks for the link. The ship has the new Patek anti-torpedo system, which seems to be the way Russian designs are going now.

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On the progress of work on the creation of new civil aircraft

Speech at the first meeting of the College of Aviation at the Government of the Russian Federation 06.03.2017

Yuri Slusar
President of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC)


Dear colleagues! Only with an integrated approach possible to the dynamic development of the Russian aircraft industry, providing current and future needs of the domestic market. Steps taken and decisions should be linked program development equipment manufacturers, operators, long-term plans, state support measures, the problem of infrastructure and regulatory support of our common progress.

In fact, we are talking about the formation of a favorable ecosystem aviation complex. Investments in the development of new aircraft should be linked to investment in the restoration of air mobility, the development of the airfield infrastructure, ensuring efficient operation of domestic appliances. In this context, we expect that the Aviation College will become a platform to ensure the effective and coordinated development of the whole aviation system.

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Implementing the ambitious strategy of the KLA should increase to 45% the overall share of civilian products in the portfolio of the Corporation. That is almost half of the proceeds from airplanes money should come from the sale of civilian aircraft. Now this share does not exceed 20%. Achieving the objectives of the Strategy is impossible without the priority of ensuring Russia's domestic market in modern, comfortable and high-tech aircraft. Domestic airlines have been and remain the launch customer for all civil aircraft programs KLA.

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In our assessment and evaluation of the major producers in the horizon of 20 years, the need for the Russian domestic market for passenger aircraft will be more than 1100 units with a capacity of 30 seats and above. The most popular segment will uzkofyuzelyazhnyesamolety a capacity of 120 seats, the assessment of demand - 710 aircraft. The expected increase in traffic - an average of 4.5% per year - will support the demand for aircraft in the 60-120 seat segment - about 200 aircraft and "shirokofyuzelyazhniki" of 230 seats and above - about 130 aircraft.

Given the current state of the fleet in the domestic market, according to our estimates, the new surge in demand for wide-bodied aircraft to occur in 7-10 years. In the segment of regional transport formed pent-up demand, coupled with the continued operation of aircraft An-24 family. But in the mid-20s, it will be taken out of service and in this niche is expected to demand about 100 aircraft.

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To achieve these strategic objectives, based on the long-term forecast of market demand, with government support, we are actively working on the creation of new competitive models of civil engineering and the development of existing programs. The result of this work should be the formation of the line of modern civil products, present in all the most popular segments.

IL-114

in the regional transport segment in 2016 launched the Il-114-300 aircraft creation program, contracted to perform design work and preparation of production. This year's key objectives - development of design documentation for prototypes, choice of suppliers on equipment and systems, the application for certification.

The program involves the installation of new avionics, new dvigateleyTV7-117SM and later TV7-117ST (engine, unified with the transport plane Il-112), the functional expansion and new opportunities for exploitation from unprepared airfields.

We now are working with Russian airlines - potential customers, consider their requirements for the formation of the technical configuration of the aircraft. Our partner for the program is leasing company GTLK. This will allow us to offer airlines' efficient economy "operation of the aircraft. In the middle of 2017, we plan to sign an agreement with GTLK and since this year envisaged investments for additional capitalization of the company and the conclusion of agreements for the promotion of the aircraft.

SSJ100


In the segment of short-haul aircraft in service are of the order of 100 units SSJ100. Of these, 2/3 in Russia. 26 new SSJ100 was delivered in 2016 (including the export of 8 BC). Together with the "Aeroflot" We are working on a contract for the supply of 20 aircraft in 2017-2018, which is planned to be signed in the middle of this year.

SSJ100 - plane is absolutely competitive, and, as compared to trunk the A319, B737 on the vast majority of areas, and in comparison with a direct competitor - Embraer 190 (advantage seat-kilometers up to 6%, depending on the route). Operators say its good economic efficiency, comfort and high level of functionality.

The main objective of the program - the development of after-sales service. Today we focus on this. In particular, our key partner - the company "Aeroflot" have developed a program to improve the reliability of the park.

According to the program SSJ100 we are actively cooperating with domestic leasing companies. Together, we offer operators an effective financial packages to enable our aircraft to win for the economy in comparison with Western competitors. A significant advantage - the lease payments in rubles. All this was achieved thanks to the unprecedented support measures for recapitalization of the leasing company.

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MS-21

in the most sought after sector of long haul is actively working on the program of a family of MC-21 narrow-body aircraft. The order book as of today - 175 aircraft.

Our task - to make the aircraft competitive in comparison with modern analogs. This applies to weight and fuel efficiency level of operating economy, the comfort of passengers and crew, advanced fire suppression system. As part of the TCO, we create a unified customer support center for the whole range of civil, based on global best practices, as well as experience gained under the SSJ100 program.

In the near future it will be the first flight of the MS-21 aircraft. A start of serial deliveries scheduled for 2019. Among the key objectives for 2017 - the conclusion of contracts with end operators, unfolding series production based on the latest technologies and active implementation of certification flight programs.

SHFDMS - wide-body long-haul aircraft


in the long term line of civil aircraft should be supplemented by a new generation of wide-body long-haul aircraft, the creation of which we have begun with our Chinese colleagues - COMAC Corporation. The project is expected to be realized in the new tehplatforme competitive in comparison with the modern families of the Boeing 787 and Airbus widebody aircraft companies.

Only Chinese airlines is forecast KLA-Komaki during 2023-2045 years will need 1,100 airplanes SHFDMS segment.

From the start of the program before the first flight plan about 7-8 years. The first aircraft will be delivered to the customer within 10-12 years after the start of the program. Formulated market strategy, defined technical appearance. It is based on research and aviaperezok airlines, forecast future demand and strategies of the competitive environment.

To ensure the competitiveness of aircraft equipment plays an important role. SHFDMS - just one project where we can try to work with our development partners to implement effective systems of co-operation scheme, to attract the best development of Russian companies, along with the world's best technologies. In this direction, we are actively working together with the State Corporation "Rostec".

IL-96


for the period of creation SHFDMS "transitional" product must be modernized Il-96-400M. For "large" domestic passenger plane has a certain niche in the Russian market. In addition, we need to develop the existing competence and download our production capacities. The rate of serial production plant in Voronezh is not high, but it will ensure the maintenance of competence and increase the number of aircraft in operation. By implementing the project, we have already started.

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After-sales service


being created KLA uniform after-sales service system (PES) should be, on the one hand, an effective tool for sales support and formation of positive image of the company, on the other hand - a profitable activity. For us, the OPS - a key priority.

Given the experience of already existing programs, we are laying the foundation in advance after sales services on a single infrastructure for the new BAE civilian program, which has yet to enter the market.

The main activities on the formation of a unified system of PPO:
▪ a single point of customer support;
▪ creation of a partner network of service centers services, including authorized providers of MRO services, repair sun component organizations, warehouses of spare parts, authorized training centers;
▪ organization of a proactive approach to the planning of the need for spare parts on the basis of the operating data for the sun.

We are forming a network of service centers for maintenance, network suppliers of aircraft components repair. Ongoing formation of a network of warehouses of spare parts. In mid-2017 will begin commercial operation support system functionality in the warehouse logistics of the planning tasks in the replacement parts needs.

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Active development of Russian civil aircraft coincided with the period of the weakening of tariff protection of the domestic aviation industry against the background of matching conditions for Russia's WTO accession. At the same time, in view of the general focus on the liberalization of regulatory regimes of foreign trade protection measures (technical barriers) tariff and non-tariff regulation led to the withdrawal of protection for developed and produced aircraft in Russia. This smytssle we look forward to the Aviation College, which would enable competent, without prejudice to the interests of the operators, the market and the economy as a whole, strike a balance between the interests of the domestic aviation industry and the needs of the aviation industry.

By those measures, which are now already in force, and they amount to about 50 billion rubles a year, to maintain the momentum of development of the domestic aviation industry in a difficult economic situation, it is advisable to provide for additional measures of state support, which should include:
- continuing to support Russian aircraft manufacturers as its stage creation, and at the stage of exit planes on the market, if necessary, to give additional incentives to operators discounts. That is offset initial losses associated with a large gap between the cost and selling aircraft.
- Support the development of domestic leasing companies in order to acquire Russian-made aircraft.
- Improving the provision of subsidies to airlines using Russian-made aircraft.

In addition, it is necessary as soon as possible to revise the pricing system for high-tech products supplied under the SDO, especially in terms of increasing profitability for manufacturers head.

We also propose to consider new proposals for the further improvement of federal legislation with regard to:
- the development of areas of licensing of certain activities.
- Providing incentives for property tax for the aviation industry.

In the area of international activities is necessary to continue work on the site of the Eurasian Economic Commission to ensure that customs-tariff and non-tariff protection of the domestic market of domestic aircraft. The complexity of solving this problem is due to the fact that Russia - the only member of the EAEC having aviation industry.

Finally, it would be useful to step up the economic state support export projects. This applies, in particular, the mechanisms of export credit and insurance, which are designed to ensure the effective interest rate on loans at a level corresponding to or exceeding the best global practices.

You also need to pay special attention to the issues of certification of civil aircraft in Russia. The transition took place. This task should be actively supported by the College, both internationally and within the country, and we are ready to take active part in it.

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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

Postby Philip » 13 Apr 2017 17:24

THough this is a JV between us and Ru.posted here so as not to confuse the dedicated desi missile td. tracking our other strat/tact missiles.

https://in.rbth.com/blogs/stranger_than ... ner_738872
Surgical striker: How the BrahMos is becoming India’s war winner
10 April 2017 RAKESH KRISHNAN SIMHA
The rapidly evolving BrahMos is not only enhancing India’s capacity to inflict major damage early on in a conflict, but it could also play a subtle role in applying pressure on its rivals.


First BrahMos export contract may be signed in 2017
India tests BrahMos missile with extended range
BrahMos developing hypersonic reusable missiles

BrahMos supersonic cruise missiles during the Republic Day parade in New Delhi, 2014. Source: Zuma/Global Look Press
There’s a reason why rocket scientist Sivathanu Pillai likes to describe the BrahMos cruise missile as the “Brahmastra for the Indian armed forces.” Although the supersonic BrahMos is not quite in the same league as the weapon of Lord Brahma, it is the most destructive cruise missile on Earth.

The Indo-Russian BrahMos Aerospace has not only created a new benchmark in cruise missile development, it has adopted the incremental or ‘ladder’ approach where more advanced – and innovative – versions of the missile are constantly being designed, tested, produced for all branches of the armed forces.

Currently, the navy and army field BrahMos in significant numbers. Pillai, who is the founder of BrahMos Aerospace, says when the air force also inducts the ‘A’ (air launched) version, the Brahmos will be a “war winner”. What he means is that when the three services acquire the ability to rain down these missiles to destroy the enemy’s assets first, it will be a force multiplier that will ensure a quick victory.

Although capable of travelling at a blistering Mach 3, the original BrahMos is a 3.6 ton behemoth. Even the air-launched BrahMos-A weighs 2.5 tons, which means it can be carried only by the largest Indian fighter – the Sukhoi Su-30MKI. However, newer iterations will be smaller, faster and have longer ranges. The missile is evolving not only with time but also in sync with the multiple needs of a military as large as India’s.

India tests BrahMos missile with extended range

BrahMos Extended Range
BrahMos started off with a 290 km range as Russia was bound by the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR), which was created by the West in order to curb the spread of unmanned delivery systems that could carry a payload of 500 kg for a distance of 300 km.

With BrahMos Aerospace declaring that it would go ahead with developing a missile that would exceed the MTCR limit, and with the West realising the futility of stopping it, India was co-opted as a member.

MTCR or no MTCR, a 600 km range missile having the ability to hit hardened targets with pinpoint accuracy is a reality. India conducted the maiden test firing of the extended-range variant on March 11, 2017. This missile will allow Indian warships to strike enemy targets from greater standoff distances.

Flashback to October 2015 when Russian Navy missile boats anchored in the Caspian Sea blasted Islamic State positions 1500 km away. Similarly, BrahMos missiles fired from missile boats safe in the Gulf of Kutch or the Indian port of Porbandar can comfortably reach the Pakistani cities of Karachi and Hyderabad.

BrahMos II
Travelling at hypersonic speeds (Mach 7 or higher), the BrahMos II would deliver its warhead, assess the destruction, return to its launcher and get ready to go again. This bold new missile is inspired by Lord Vishnu’s Sudharshan Chakra – a spiked metallic wheel that destroys its target and returns to its owner. "It is our dream to make the best weapon,” says Pillai. “Our mythology has given us a lot of inputs. (There is) only one weapon (that) destroys the enemy and comes back, and that is Sudarshan Chakra.”

The missile is under development and is likely to be deployed in the early part of the 2020s.

BrahMos NG
This is BrahMos Lite. At just 1.4 tons, and with a proportionately lower range of around 120 km, the NG version will be light enough to be carried by the indigenously built Tejas aircraft. The missile is still on the drawing board and the company is talking to various users. According to Sudhir Kumar Mishra, CEO and MD of BrahMos Aerospace, “The idea is to mass produce the missile so that we can integrate it on a variety of platforms. It is a new business initiative and we see a huge market for it in India and abroad,” he said.

Although the Indian Air Force (IAF) may not relish the idea of arming the Sukhois with such a short range missile (which could bring the Su-30 within range of anti-aircraft defences), the NG version could suit deep penetration strike aircraft such as the Jaguar and MiG-27 providing air cover to an Indian armoured thrust. Alternatively, these missiles could be forward deployed, offering field commanders a weapon they can use to take out the enemy’s battlefield command and communication centres or armour concentrations.

First BrahMos export contract may be signed in 2017
Aviation Week suggests the re-sized missile will be capable of withstanding aircraft carrier deck landings. Carrier-based MiG-29s could carry up to three of these pocket rockets.

Salvo mode
When rockets are fired in salvo made it ensures that nothing is left to chance and the destruction is complete. In 2014, the BrahMos was successfully fired in salvo mode from the Russian-built frigate INS Trikand off India’s west coast. This means eight cruise missiles can be volley fired at an individual enemy element.

Possible use of salvo mode can be against a large target – such as a destroyer or aircraft carrier at seas. The cost factor plays a key role here. Firing eight BrahMos missiles would only make good economics if the intention is to take out a large task force, coastal radar battery or fuel tanker farm.

Exports
Despite having a large defence industrial base, India does not count among the top 20 arms exporters. With the BrahMos, New Delhi can finally make a mark on the weapons market. Considering that it is the only supersonic cruise missile in the world, there should be no dearth of buyers for it. However, customers need to be chosen with discretion to ensure that the missile does not end up in the wrong hands.

Foreign sales can also yield dividends that are more valuable than cash. Exports are a force multiplier because they tie the seller and buyer in a long-term geopolitical embrace. This may eventually translate into further military sales. When India acquired the MiG-21 from Russia in 1965, nearly 100 per cent of its advanced weapons were of British or western origin. A decade later over 80 per cent of its weapons was from Russia.

BrahMos can also be a useful bargaining tool against China. For instance, by supplying the missile to Vietnam, India can show Beijing that two can play the game. If China provides high-end weapons to Pakistan, then India can offer advanced BrahMos missiles to Vietnam. The missile could therefore play a useful role in keeping high-end weapons from being sold to Islamabad.

Rakesh Krishnan Simha is a New Zealand-based journalist and foreign affairs analyst

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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

Postby Austin » 17 Apr 2017 17:16

ALTIUS UAV

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Takeoff weight approx. 5 m, the length of 11.6m, 28.5m wingspan, Mo approx. 2 tons, maximum speed - is unknown, range up to 10000km, 15000m to the ceiling, the maximum duration of the flight - up to 48h.

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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

Postby Garooda » 18 Apr 2017 01:05

Pratyush wrote:With the Russians the biggest challenge is the budget. If they can pay for these subs. Then the boat's will be built.
Bigger challenge is O&M and Sustainment post the construction of new subs :) Something which isn't their forte upto certain extent if we look at the past.

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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

Postby Philip » 19 Apr 2017 13:03

https://sputniknews.com/military/201704 ... e-defense/

S-400 Triumph air defense system during Victory military parade in Moscow'Huge Step' Made in Developing Missiles for Russia's S-500 Air Defense System © Sputnik/ Alexandre Vilf
MILITARY & INTELLIGENCE
17:40 13.04.2017
The S-500 next-generation missile defense system will soon enter service with the Russian Aerospace Forces.

Top Secret: Why is Russia's S-500 Missile System Second to None?
With an operational range of 400-600 kilometers, the S-500 Prometey is designed for intercepting and destroying intercontinental ballistic missiles, as well as hypersonic cruise missiles and other aerial targets, including planes and helicopters.
The S-500 can simultaneously intercept up to 10 ballistic and hypersonic missiles traveling at a speed of 7 kilometers per second. It is capable of engaging targets at an altitude of up to 200 kilometers.

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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

Postby Yagnasri » 19 Apr 2017 15:14

500 km for CM and Aircraft also? How radar can see with the earth curvature?

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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

Postby brar_w » 19 Apr 2017 15:27

Yagnasri wrote:500 km for CM and Aircraft also? How radar can see with the earth curvature?


Don't expect Sputnik (The National Interest of Russian defense reporting) to be so nuanced. 500 km would naturally be for targets flying above 50,000 ft.

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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

Postby Austin » 19 Apr 2017 16:52

Yagnasri wrote:500 km for CM and Aircraft also? How radar can see with the earth curvature?


Data can be obtained from AWACS , Baloons and other plaforms and fed to missile to cue it , They may not be able to see 500 km away but they would be able to see much ahead sufficiently then any GBR

Even then for low flying target a Pantisir system is a better bet followed by BUK

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Postby srai » 19 Apr 2017 20:10

brar_w wrote:
Yagnasri wrote:500 km for CM and Aircraft also? How radar can see with the earth curvature?


Don't expect Sputnik (The National Interest of Russian defense reporting) to be so nuanced. 500 km would naturally be for targets flying above 50,000 ft.

Any military aircraft with decent ECCM would be able to spoof it that far out.

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Postby brar_w » 19 Apr 2017 20:22

If you have the RCS of a small castle you wouldn't be flying at altitude against a potent air defense system anyway.

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Postby Singha » 22 Apr 2017 18:10

tor and tunguska are now on tracked snowmobiles for arctic brigades

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not a blade of grass grows there, but unlike banditji, putin is not about to vacate 1 inch of it

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Postby Austin » 22 Apr 2017 19:42

^^ Arctic has most of Russian Gas and Oil Reserves valued by Russians at $30 trillion in todays energy price , Most of Indian-Russian Joint venture by ONGC on Sakhlin is around those areas , The Russian Chinese and European/Japanese venture for ESPO etc are in those areas ..thats the most expensive and most valued part of real estate they have they dont grow grass but have black gold , You might want to read this short Synopses on Russian Arctic resource http://tass.com/economy/938067

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Postby Philip » 23 Apr 2017 19:41

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 96561.html
Nato intercepting highest number of Russian military planes since the Cold War as 780 incidents recorded in 2016
Figures revealed after Russian planes approach Alaskan coast four nights in a row
Lizzie Dearden

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An F/A-18 Hornet escorts a Russian Tu-95 Bear bomber aircraft in February 2008 south of Japan AFP/Getty
More Nato fighter jets are being scrambled to monitor and intercept Russian planes than at any time since the end of the Cold War as tensions continue to rise.

Around 780 deployments were made from European military bases last year in response to Russian aircraft, compared to just 410 in 2015.
British planes have been scrambled in numerous operations involving the RAF, which has pilots in the Quick Reaction Alert force ready to launch 24-hours a day.

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Russian bombers fly near Alaskan coast for second consecutive night
US scrambles stealth fighter jets to intercept Russian bomber planes
US sends F-35 stealth fighters to UK to reassure Europe against Russia
Incidents have seen Russian bomber planes approach the UK several times, including when Blackjack bombers spent more than five hours skirting British airspace in February.

Russian planes are not known to have violated international regulations or entered any EU nation’s sovereign airspace, flying instead into “identification zones” in international airspace that are monitored for security.

A typical response sees fighter jets launched by the nearest country to visually identify the foreign aircraft and ascertain whether it is a threat, frequently flying alongside until the Russian plane breaks away and turns back.

A further 90 alerts were sparked by non-Russian planes in 2016, such as commercial flights that lost contact with air traffic control, according to officials at Ramstein Air Base in Germany, where the US Air Forces in Europe are headquartered.

NATO intercepts Russian bombers
It brings the total number of deployments to 870 in the year, which saw Nato increase its air policing missions after noting a “steady increase in Russian military air activity”.

Officials at Ramstein told Germany’s DPA news agency that the rising number of jets being scrambled was partly due to the Turkish Air Force stepping up its operations under Nato command and launching operations along the Syrian border.

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World could be heading for new Cold War, Gorbachev warns
Turkey shot down a Russian fighter jet after it crossed the boundary for 17 seconds during a bombing mission in 2015, although the Kremlin claimed it had not violated Turkish airspace.

Nato was among the bodies working to defuse tensions following the attack, which was the first time a member state had shot down a Russian or Soviet plane since 1952.

The number of Russian planes intercepted in Eastern Europe fell slightly last year, with the Lithuanian ministry of defence saying there were 110 deployments in 2016, compared to 160 the previous year.

However, the number is still more than double that seen before the Ukrainian conflict, which has driven worsening relations between Russia and the EU over the Kremlin’s military intervention and annexation of Crimea.

Russian plane shot down by Turkish jets
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The figures were revealed after Russian planes approached the Alaskan coast for four nights in a row this week, sparking two intercepts and two monitoring operations.

The North American Aerospace Defence Command (Norad) told The Independent two Tu-95 Bear bombers were intercepted on Monday and Thursday, and monitored on Tuesday.

On Wednesday, an IL-38 Russian maritime patrol aircraft appeared and was watched.

US Air Force First Lt Lauren Hill, a spokesperson for Norad, said the latest incident on Thursday saw two American F-22 Raptor stealth fighters and two Canadian Air Force CF-18 Hornets scrambled.

They were launched to intercept two Russian bear bombers off the coast of Alaska at around 7pm local time (2am BST) and visually identify the foreign aircraft.

“They were always in the 200-mile radius that is the Alaskan Air Identification Zone but at no time did they enter sovereign North American airspace, which is 12 miles from land,” First Lt Hill said.

“All four flights were conducted safely and professionally.”

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An RAF Typhoon shadows Russian navy vessels as they pass through the English Channel (MoD)
Incidents have not been seen in the same level of intensity by the US since 2014, but Norad is understood not to consider the Russian behaviour abnormal.

Before last week, the most recent previous incident seeing Russian aircraft intercepted by American forces was in 2015.

That saw a pair of Russian bombers fly just 40 miles off the coast of California and around Alaska on 4 July, when a pilot relayed the message: “Good morning, American pilots. We are here to greet you on your Fourth of July Independence Day.”

A Russian intelligence ship, the Viktor Leonov, has recently been spotted off the US coast and two months ago, Russian aircraft had several encounters with the USS Porter as it sailed in the Black Sea.

US-Russian relations have soured in the wake of Mr Trump’s vow to improve ties with Moscow, following mounting tensions over Syria and Ukraine.

The two conflicts, seeing Vladimir Putin back his allies Bashar al-Assad and the former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych, have also increased tensions between Russia and the EU.

Amid increased military deployments and rival drills, both Nato members and Russia have accused each other of “warmongering” amid fears over a new arms race.

In Nato’s latest air exercise, codenamed Ramstein Alloy, fighter jets from the Baltic air policing mission, the Netherlands, Germany, Poland, Norway and the US will practice intercepts over Lithuania on Tuesday.

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Postby Singha » 23 Apr 2017 20:14

Modded oscar sub belgorod getting ready

https://sputniknews.com/military/201704 ... ggest-sub/

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Postby Philip » 24 Apr 2017 17:10

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest- ... ject-09852

Russia unveils world’s BIGGEST ever nuclear submarine
VLADIMIR PUTIN Is ready to welcome the world’s biggest ever nuclear submarine to the fleet of Russia.
By Henry Holloway / Published 23rd April 2017

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Postby Philip » 27 Apr 2017 11:51

More on the monster sub.

Russian Navy reveals world's BIGGEST nuclear submarine with TWENTY missile launchers
THE Russian Navy will be receiving the biggest nuclear submarine in the world at 184 metres.

By LAURA MOWAT
PUBLISHED: 22:30, Tue, Apr 25, 2017
Russia now has world's biggest nuclear submarine
The war ship, named Belgorod or Project 09852, will outperform the nuclear-powered Typhoon missile cruiser Project 941, which is currently the largest nuclear submarine in the world.

Belgorod is equipped with 20 launchers for ballistic missiles, each with 10 nuclear warheads.

The submarine Project 09852 will be made to carry out research missions and to carry uninhabited deep-sea vehicles as well as specialist scientific equipment.

REVEALED: Russia's new 4,600mph missile that could WIPE OUT world's...
Russia to hold sea trials of huge amphibious assault ship
It will transport and install autonomous nuclear submarine modules designed to charge uninhabited submarines on the seabed
Professor Vadim Kozyulin
Its mission will be to study the bottom of the Russian Arctic shelf, searching for minerals and laying underwater communications.

Professor Vadim Kozyulin, of the Academy of Military Sciences, said: "It will transport and install autonomous nuclear submarine modules designed to charge uninhabited submarines on the seabed.

"The submarine will ensure the deployment of a global underwater monitoring system, which the military is building on the bottom of the Arctic waters.”

The submarine has a gym, smoking room and even a swimming pool
The submarine has combat posts, crew cabins, a swimming pool, a gym and even a smoking room inside.


Russian President Vladimir Putin has ordered his navy prioritise the development of strategy nuclear forces and modernise its weaponry.
Mr Putin, said: “At of the end of 2016, the share of modern weapons and equipment in the navy was about 47 percent.

Russian Navy debut 'sizzler' missiles to DESTROY US Navy
"The rate should be raised to 70 per cent by 2020.
“Russia should ensure the presence of its naval forces in all strategically important areas of the world oceans.”

Earlier this month, the Russian Naval Chief stated the country’s submarine fleet is as strong as it was during the Soviet Union, as tensions with Trump reach Cold War levels.

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Postby Philip » 28 Apr 2017 13:46

https://sputniknews.com/russia/20170428 ... sian-navy/
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Cruise-Missile Carrying 'Supershark' Nuclear Sub to Join Russian Navy in 2018 AFP 2017/ FRED TANNEAU
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The Russian Navy will get in 2018 a modernized nuclear submarine that will meet standards of 4-generation nuclear subs in terms of combat capabilities.
The nuclear-powered submarine Severodvinsk, the first of the Yasen-class of attack subs.

MOSCOW (Sputnik) — A revamped Project 971M nuclear submarine carrying cruise missiles will enter service in Russia next year, a spokesman for the state shipyard Zvezdochka was quoted as telling the local media on Friday.
"The Navy will receive its first modernized submarine of Project 971M Leopard in 2018. The submarine will meet the fleet’s requirements for 4-generation nuclear subs in terms of its technical and combat characteristics," Yevgeny Gladyshev told the Izvestiya newspaper.

The paper said the Leopard submarine, dubbed "supershark," will be armed with cutting-edge Kalibr cruise missiles, advanced radars and electronics. The Navy has contracted the Zvezdochka shipyard to modernize three other submarines, a senior source in the Navy command told the outlet


https://sputniknews.com/russia/20170414 ... bs-silent/
DEFENSE
Russia and India Test Hypersonic and Supersonic Missiles
by Vladimir Karnozov
- April 25, 2017, 9:39 AM
missile and missile firing
This scale model of the Indo-Russian Brahmos II hypersonic missile design, could also represent the all-Russian Zircon missile. (Photo: Vladimir Karnozov). Inset: the latest test-firing of a Brahmos from an Indian warship. (Photo: Indian Navy)
Amid growing concern in the West about the vulnerability of large warships to very fast sea-skimming missiles, Russian news agencies have reported a successful firing test of the long-range hypersonic Zircon weapon. Coincidentally, India has recently been test-firing new versions of the medium-range supersonic Brahmos missile, which is a joint venture between India and Russia and is based on the P-800 Onix, one of several supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles in service with the Russian Navy. With Russian help, India is developing a hypersonic Brahmos II version, which could be based on the Zircon.

The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) chose not to comment directly on the reported Zircon test. But within hours of those reports, it issued a muted statement that the State Armament Program 2018-2025 calls for development and fielding of “principally new specimens of hypersonic weapons” along with “artificial-intellect robotic-technical complexes and weapons on new physical principles (phenomenon)”. The news agencies reported that the Zircon had been launched from an unspecified sea-going platform, and had reached Mach 8.

According to unofficial sources, prototypes of the Zircon were test-launched first from a Tu-22M3 swing-wing bomber in 2012-13. Launches from a ground platform followed in 2015, with first success achieved last year. Completion of state trials on the whole family is targeted for 2020. To speed up this and other hypersonic projects, the Russian government merged the two missile houses Raduga and NPO Mashinostroenia under the control of Tactical Missile Corporation (TRV).

The Zircon is designated 3M22 by the Russian MoD and represents a further development of the HELA (acronym for Russian “Hypersonic Experimental Flying Vehicle”) that was on display at the MAKS airshow in 1995.

It is therefore believed to be a winged cruise missile with a lift-generating center body. A booster stage with solid-fuel engines accelerates it to a supersonic speed, at which point the scramjet motor of the second stage takes over. Its range is estimated to be from 135 to 270 nautical miles at low level, and up to 400 nautical miles in a semi-ballistic trajectory. The Zircon will be a family of missiles adaptable to various types of carriers and launchers, and so will be available in air-, surface- and underwater- launched versions.

The nuclear powered cruiser Admiral Nakhimov, which is currently being reworked in the shipyard at Severodvinsk, is expected to be the first capital ship to carry the Zircon, from 2018. Her current missile silos that carry the P-700 Granit (MoD designation 3M45) are being replaced with vertical launchers that can fire missiles of several types.

Exportable versions of the Zircon will be limited to less than 160 nautical miles (300 km), since Russia is a signatory to the Missile Control Technology Regime (MCTR). But now that India has signed up to the MCTR, the range of the current Brahmos design could be increased to 600 km, an Indian defense analyst told AIN.

The Brahmos is already operational as a land-attack missile with the Indian Army on wheeled erector-launchers. Last month, an enhanced version was test-fired from a mobile autonomous launcher “at a much higher range than the present,” according to a statement from the Brahmos joint venture. Brahmos is also already in service with the Indian Navy as an anti-ship missile. On April 21, an Indian warship test-launched a Brahmos missile against a land target for the first time. But test firing of an air-launched version from an Indian Air Force Su-30MKI has been repeatedly delayed due to integration problems. The latest published launch date is April.

The Brahmos has a different, “fire-and-forget” GPS guidance system to its current Russian counterparts that uses an Indian chip designated G3OM. The land-based target in the latest Indian test was 290 km distant from the INS Teg frigate that launched the Brahmos.

In theory, the range of the hypersonic Brahmos II could also now be extended to 600 km. It has been under development since an Indo-Russian agreement in 2008. A scale model of the Brahmos II was displayed at the Aero India show in 2013. At that show, the former BrahMos Aerospace CEO Sivathanu Pillai described it as “a completely new missile.” He continued: “In the future, cruise missiles can be intercepted by anti-missiles. Faced with this, we must work on the new version accelerating to above Mach 5 that can complete the mission. We need to make countermeasure systems and reduce missile's signatures. We need to make it from the proper materials able to withstand the heat from high speeds. It’s going to be a very complex technology…we need at least five years to develop it.”

Additional reporting by Neelam Mathews

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Postby Singha » 28 Apr 2017 13:51

per sputnik news , first flight of PAKDA is expected 2025.
that indicates FOC in 2035.
payload to be 30t.

so its going to be a parallel project with the B21 raider it seems.

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Postby brar_w » 28 Apr 2017 14:43

Singha wrote:per sputnik news , first flight of PAKDA is expected 2025.
that indicates FOC in 2035.
payload to be 30t.

so its going to be a parallel project with the B21 raider it seems.


They have been running in parallel as has been reported for quite a while now so both will be interesting to follow vis-a-vis delays and schedule. The same was true for the PAKFA and JSF programs where the design team down-select happened months apart. Both were delayed but the schedules have turned out to be quite different with close to 220 JSFs of all variants delivered and over 400 pilots trained while we recently had a first flight of the 9th T-50 prototype.

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Postby Austin » 28 Apr 2017 15:59

JSF and PAK-FA has different time lines , PAK-FA Design was won and frozen in favour of Sukhoi in 2004 , FSED started in 2005 and First flight was Jan 2011.

X-35 first flight was in 2000 , JSF first flight was in Dec 2006 , Almost 10 years difference if we count the X-35 program or 5 years for F-35

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Postby Austin » 28 Apr 2017 16:00

Russia working on new medium-calibre ammo

Christopher F Foss, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly

http://www.janes.com/article/69809/russ ... libre-ammo
Russia has confirmed that it is working on what it calls "special shrapnel" ammunition for use by 30 mm and 57 mm cannons, with the latter likely developed with a view to engaging unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs).

The work is being carried out by Russia's NPO Pribor research and industrial association, which is affiliated with Rostec subsidiary TechMash (Russia's largest ammunition manufacturer), and is still in its early stages, with no projected initial operational capability (IOC) as yet.

The new Russian 57 mm ammunition will probably be along similar lines to the Rheinmetall Air Defence Oerlikon AHEAD (Advanced Hit Efficiency and Destruction) 35 mm ammunition, which is used by a number of air defence weapons. AHEAD 35 mm is programmed as it leaves the weapon and contains a number of small submunitions that are ejected at the correct time of flight in front of the target.

The Russian 57 mm round would be for a new mobile air defence weapon that is currently being developed as the Derivatsiya - PVO anti-aircraft artillery system, or ZAK-57. This is based on a modified BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicle fitted with a brand new turret.

The Derivatsiya's 57 mm cannon is probably the same as that installed in the ASU-220M Baikal remote-controlled turret (RCT), which has been developed by the Burevestnik Central Research Institute, part of the UralVagonZavod group. The ASU-220M RCT is also armed with a 7.62 mm PKTM co-axial machine gun (MG) and the weapons are coupled to a computerised fire control system (FCS), with both crew members provided with stabilised day/night sights incorporating a laser rangefinder.

The AU-220M turret has already been shown installed on a modified BMP-3 IFV hull and has been marketed to a number of countries overseas, especially in the Middle East.

Russian sources have confirmed that in addition to firing conventional natures of 57 mm ammunition it was also fire a guided 57 mm round to enable targets to be engaged at ranges beyond the 57 mm weapon's direct-fire range, which is quoted as 12 km when fired horizontally and up to 8 km when fired vertically.

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Postby Austin » 28 Apr 2017 16:02

New 57 mm Gun on BMP-3 Turret , Going Ahead all the 30 mm will be replace in favour of 57 mm Gun


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Postby brar_w » 28 Apr 2017 16:48

Austin wrote:JSF and PAK-FA has different time lines , PAK-FA Design was won and frozen in favour of Sukhoi in 2004 , FSED started in 2005 and First flight was Jan 2011.

X-35 first flight was in 2000 , JSF first flight was in Dec 2006 , Almost 10 years difference if we count the X-35 program or 5 years for F-35


X-35 was a technology demonstrator and it was designed and flew even before the EMD requirements for the JSF were fully firmed up. Russian industry too ran tech demonstration, technology de-risking efforts in the years leading up to the PAKFA award to Sukhoi. Both Lockheed on the JSF, and Sukhoi on the PAKFA were down-selected nearly months apart for the engineering and development phases of the respective programs of record - Lockheed in September/October of 2001, and Sukhoi in April of 2002.

As far back as 2007 the in-service date for the PAKFA/SU-50 with the RuAF was expected to be 2015, a full year ahead of when the USAF declared Initial Operational Capability with the F-35A (I'll leave the F-35B out since it is not relevant to the comparison). First flight of the prototype T-50 was expected to occur (at the time of award) in 2006 with series production beginning in 2010. This was not different from where the JSF (CTOL) program lined up. AA1 prototype first flight in Q2-Q4 2006 with Low-Rate-Initial Production kicking off in 2007. Both programs encountered development delays. The F-35 missed its IOC target by 5 years (B) while from what we know the T-50 series production is so far delayed between 5-7 years with 2-3 additional prototypes to be delivered in the coming months. The definitive Su-50 with the stage-2 engines and mission systems will take a number of years to be fully developed and delivered.

PAK-FA Design was won and frozen in favour of Sukhoi in 2004


Sukhoi won the program to develop 5th generation fighter in Late Q1 or early Q2 of 2002, merely months from when lockheed secured the JSF for its team. Design freezes for both the F-35 CTOL and T-50/PAKFA were frozen years later as would naturally be the case since a program down-select kicks off the long road to develop what until then only exists on paper for the most part.

Sukhoi Wins Battle For Russian Fighter Follow-On ; Komarov, Alexey; Barrie, Douglas. Aviation Week & Space Technology May.2002

Sukhoi has emerged as the victor in Russia's long-running design-bureau battle to lead development of its air force's so-called fifth-generation fighter effort. The timetable for the PAK FA is highly ambitious. A draft design of the aircraft is to be established by the end of 2002, with first flight of a prototype in 2006, with production beginning in 2010. In funding the program, Russia may look to its client arms-purchasing states as potential launch partners.


According to public declarations - probably these dates are also included in the classified Armament Programme for 2002-2010 - the first prototype of the new fighter is to take off in 2006; a green light for series production is scheduled for 2010. Butowski, Piotr. Interavia/October-2002


According to the official position, the prototype of the PAK FA will fly in 2006-2007 and series production will start in 2010-2012. This is a difficult, but not impossible, task particularly because - also in the opinion of high level Russian aircraft industry officials - "if we do not build this aircraft before 2012, then afterwards we will not need to build it at all, because the market will be saturated". Butowski, Piotr. Interavia; 2004

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Sukhoi did not flew any prototype of PAK-FA like Lockheed did for X-35 , it was not a Engineering & Design Flying competition between Mikyon and Sukhoi but based on preliminary design selected by RuAF ( on paper competition , Sukhoi won as it had better financial capability to carry the program while Mig in 2002 was broken )

Sukhoi won the preliminary design in 2002 but it had to be refined and was only that MOD approved the final design in 2004 and FSED Started in 2005.

Lockheed had the hindsight of having a proven Airframe Design and Engine with X-35 which Sukhoi did not so they had to start with scratch which was when prototype flow in 2010. ( it was originally scheduled to fly by 2009 but that changed to 2010 )

The difference between PAK-FA and JSF is almost 10 years if you consider when the first prototye flew , PAK-FA is not even in the class of JSF it a heavy twin engine 35 Ton Plus aircraft and an unproven design which Sukhoi has to prove it with elaborate flight testing program which they are still doing. More appropriate would be in F-22 class

Had Sukhoi had a X design with PAK-FA that would have speed things up considerably but they did not , The only thing that Sukhoi has is the S-32 FSW program on which the internal armament test is done to be used on PAK-FA beyond that they dont have any thing to rely on.

Pitor Butwoski is a good author but he is not aware of Classified Program details and he has written many things which were later proven not totally correct , In 2009 he came up with this design for PAK-FA this was 1 years before the first flight

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After First Flight in 2010 he came up with this

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Postby brar_w » 28 Apr 2017 21:47

Sukhoi did not flew any prototype of PAK-FA like Lockheed did for X-35


X-35 was not a prototype for the JSF. It was a technology demonstrator that was designed at a time even the basic requirements such as weapon bay capacity, sensor suite were not decided upon. Russians also worked on a technology demonstrator effort prior to officially launching PAKFA. Both MiG and Sukhoi had advanced programs underway prior to PAKFA that dealt with advanced fighter technologies.

it was not a Engineering & Design Flying competition between Mikyon and Sukhoi but based on preliminary design selected by RuAF ( on paper competition , Sukhoi won as it had better financial capability to carry the program while Mig in 2002 was broken )


Same thing with the F-22/F-35 programs where the technology demonstrators were only partly used. The "meat" of the proposal lay in the designs submitted based on requirements firmed up long after the technology demonstrators were sanctioned.

Sukhoi won the preliminary design in 2002 but it had to be refined and was only that MOD approved the final design in 2004 and FSED Started in 2005.


Same with the JSF. Lockheed won in 2001, and it was years later that they had a refined design that could meet the appropriate production and cycle milestone.

Lockheed had the hindsight of having a proven Airframe Design and Engine with X-35 which Sukhoi did not so they had to start with scratch which was when prototype flow in 2010. ( it was originally scheduled to fly by 2009 but that changed to 2010 )


The X-35 did not have a proven airframe design. The airframe itself was designed around very very preliminary requirements and the PDR and CDR for all three variants basically started after they entered engineering and development. The X-35 did not use prototype F-135/136s but a modified raptor engine so no, the EMD program for the development of the F-135 and F-136 had not even begun at the time.

The difference between PAK-FA and JSF is almost 10 years if you consider when the first prototye flew , PAK-FA is not even in the class of JSF it a heavy twin engine 35 Ton Plus aircraft and an unproven design which Sukhoi has to prove it with elaborate flight testing program which they are still doing. More appropriate would be in F-22 class


You mean the F-35 design did not have to be 'proven' by the developmental testing folks? What do you think they have been doing at the ITF for the past decade?

Regardless of your post the fact remains that the PAKFA program had a vendor down-select in 2002, and at the time the official position was first flight by 2006, series production in 2010-2012, and operational with RuAF in 2015. That position held as far as I know (unless you can provide evidence to the contrary) until Mikhail Pogosyan revealed at MAKS 2005 that the induction with the RuAF is quite likely to occur in the post-2015 period. This lines up nicely with the F-35 program (actual vs planned) where contract was awarded for EMD phase in late 2001, first flight for AA1 "prototype" was in 2006, and series production/LRIP started subsequently in 2007 with IOC being acheived in 2016 (15 for the STOVL variant).

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Postby brar_w » 28 Apr 2017 22:33

Austin wrote:Pitor Butwoski is a good author but he is not aware of Classified Program details and he has written many things which were later proven not totally correct , In 2009 he came up with this design for PAK-FA this was 1 years before the first flight


One can very easily find other multiple sources besides this one journalist both stating the Sukhoi down select in April,2002, a 2006 planned first flight, and 2010-2012 beginning of series production (I've provided one above and a few more below, but can very easily provide more if that is what we are trying to nail down). Subsequently there were agknowledged schedule slippages for each of these milestones. The first flight was delayed by around 4 years, series production a minimum of 5-7, and Operationalization impact is TBD.

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MOSCOW. Aug 19 (Interfax) - The first model of a fifth- generation tactical fighter jet will be built in Russia in 2006. The Sukhoi Aviation Company is already working on the model, Sukhoi General Director Mikhail Pogosyan told Interfax.

"In compliance with the government's ruling, our organization has started working on a fifth-generation tactical fighter jet. We plan to build the first model in 2006 and to finalize all tests by 2010," Pogosyan said.For details, see the Interfax-Military News Agency newswire Daily News Bulletin, 19 Aug 2002


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Moscow, 3 December: The 5th generation combat aircraft under development for the Russian air force at the Sukhoi company will fly no later than 2007, Army General Vladimir Mikhaylov, air force commander-in-chief, told Interfax-Military News Agency on Friday [ 3 December].

"I earlier reported to the supreme commander-in-chief (President Vladimir Putin - Interfax-AVN) exactly the same, and I have no doubts that it is real," he said.

He added that he had visited Sukhoi on Thursday, and spent in excess of three hours discussing the problems arising in the course of the new combat tactical aircraft development. He also said that "a great work has been done" in this sphere. "I am satisfied with the results. The electronic model of the 5th generation fighter is ready, its aerodynamics and other parameters calculated," he said....

"The aircraft will fly in 2007. I told Mikhail Pogosyan (the Sukhoi director general - Interfax-AVN) yesterday that the aircraft should fly in 2007, let it be 31 December, but 2007. I am sure that the task will be fulfilled," he said. BBC 03 Dec 2004 Credit: Interfax-AVN military news agency, Moscow


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Russian air force chief Gen. Vladimir Mikhailov claims its PAK FA fifth-generation fighter prototype will fly in 2007, and indicates the service is also pursuing a single-engine light fighter as a complement. The PAK FA, a large twin-engine Su-27 Flanker-class fighter, is being developed by Sukhoi, which designates it the T-50. Mikhailov's optimism may be fueled by the boost in Russia's defense procurement allotment. It is set at 236.7 billion rubles ($8.3 billion), a 31% rise above last year's budget. The PAK FA program is scheduled for an increase in development funding as part of the overall budget growth. Mikhailov suggests they will do "whatever it takes" to have a prototype up by 2007. Wind tunnel testing of the airframe design is already complete.Russian Roll Call; Aviation Week & Space Technology; January 2006


Once it did not fly in 2007, they shifted the estimate for first flight to mid-2009, later to late 2009 and finally to 2010.

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Russian aviation will not be acquiring before the end of this year for testing the latest OKB Sukhoi development effort - the fifth-generation fighter. Deputy Premier Sergey Ivanov acknowledged on Tuesday that the start of the tests would be postponed until next year. "The tests will begin in 2010," he is quoted by RIA Novosti.

Ivanov presides over the board of directors of the United Aircraft Corporation and knows what he is talking about, a UAC spokesman told Gazeta.Ru. The postponement timeframe is technological, not financial, he believes.

The fighter has yet to acquire its own name. It is known as the T-50 or I-21, being, per the accepted classification, the "future tactical aviation system (PAK FA)".

Aleksandr Zelin, Air Force commander in chief, promised in August at the MAKS air show: "We are to be flying in November, in December, at the outside, but we will be taking the aircraft up this year, in any event." He said that three fighters were already ready for testing.BBC,14 Dec 2009

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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

Postby Austin » 28 Apr 2017 23:30

Most of what they are saying like Electronic Design has been translated and will fly in 2007 etc is because of the way they are loosely translated , The Russian Airforce Chief and others do not speak in English and many of the thing they say are just loosely translated sometimes loosing the real meaning , There is no doubt that there is delay in First Flight from 2009 to 2010 may be max by 1.5 years but that is also true that FSED has started in 2005 where they cant really make a prototype in just 3 years

Sukhoi just won the preliminary design in 2002 when they made the final design approved by MOD it was 2 more years in 2004

Like I said Sukhoi did not have a hindsight experience of X-50 to make a quick more to T-50 with many proven things , So transferring the Design into Final Design into FSED and then Flight Testing is a long and labourous task for them. Something they did not do since the first prototype of a Clean Design Su-27 flew in late 70's

Here is the full Russian version of this
приняли участие ОКБ Сухого, ОКБ МиГ с взаимодействием обоих КБ с ОКБ Яковлева по проработке варианта проекта с вертикальным взлетом. Решение государственной комиссии по итогам конкурса принято в начале 2002 г. - выиграл проект самолета Т-50 ОКБ Сухого (главный конструктор - А.Давиденко), как наименее рискованный в реализации и полностью удовлетворяющий тактико-техническим требованиям. В июне 2002 г. решением правительства утверждено решение комиссии, поручено подготовить целевую комплексную программу и приступить к эскизному проектированию. Тактико-техническое задание выдано МО России в июле 2002 г. Эскизный проект Т-50 завершен в ОКБ в ноябре 2004 г. и утвержден МО России в декабре 2004 г. Начаты эксперименты на самолетах-лабораториях. Электронный макет Т-50 (вероятно, компьютерная модель компоновки самолета) продемонстрирована Главкому ВВС России В.Михайлову не позже января 2005 г. К 2005 г. обнародованы наименования Т-50 и И-21 и объявлено о возможной защите технического проекта самолета в 2006 г. К началу 2006 г. макет планера самолета прошел продувки в аэродинамической трубе.

Производство конструктивно-подобных образцов Т-50-0 (Т-50-КПО) начато на КнААПО (г.Комсомольск-на-Амуре) в ноябре 2006 г. В апреле 2007 г. руководством ВВС утвержден макет Т-50, ведется выпуск конструкторской документации. В августе 2008 г. разработка комплекта конструкторской документации завершена, чертежи переданы на КнААПО для изготовления опытной серии Т-50. Сборка опытной партии летных прототипов (Т-50-КНС и Т-50-1) начата в декабре 2007 г. и продолжена в 2008 г. По состоянию на 1 июня 2009 г. завершается сборка Т-50-0 предназначенного для статических испытаний, ведется сборка самолетов летно-испытательной серии (Т-50-КНС и Т-50-1). По состоянию на 20 августа 2009 г. созданы два или три технических образца Т-50 (1-2 Т-50-КПО и 1 Т-50-КНС) для наземных испытаний и ведется сборка первого летного прототипа Т-50-1.


That is not to say there is no delay in the program , probably the entire program is delayed by 3 years including the flight testing program if they start production by 2018 as they say they would do now.

But comparing the JSF time line to PAK-FA is really not the correct one , JSF had its own complexity for delays but that apart both the program are different other then being 5th Gen for both the airforces

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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

Postby brar_w » 28 Apr 2017 23:47

Most of what they are saying like Electronic Design has been translated and will fly in 2007 etc is because of the way they are loosely translated , The Russian Airforce Chief and others do not speak in English and many of the thing they say are just loosely translated sometimes loosing the real meaning , There is no doubt that there is delay in First Flight from 2009 to 2010 may be max by 1.5 years but that is also true that FSED has started in 2005 where they cant really make a prototype in just 3 years


That settles it. No matter how many times one floats evidence that they had initially claimed a 2006 first flight, then 2007, then definitly 2007 followed by 2009 and finally 2010 it will all be wrong since it HAS TO BE an error in "translation". Even Butowski had to resort to using google-translation circa 2002 to translate his sources.

Like I said Sukhoi did not have a hindsight experience of X-50 to make a quick more to T-50 with many proven things , So transferring the Design into Final Design into FSED and then Flight Testing is a long and labourous task for them.


I don't have a problem with that. Of course it seems ridiculous in hindsight that they budgeted such short time since a lot of the leading timelines also moved to the right. That is besides the point, since the point I was making was that at program design team down-select they were aiming for a 2006 first flight, and 2010-2012 series production which subsequently kept shifting to the right following the same for the leading milestones.

Sukhoi just won the preliminary design in 2002 when they made the final design approved by MOD it was 2 more years in 2004


As explained (I really do not know how else to better explain this) this is exactly what Lockheed did. They submitted a paper proposal and were selected based on it. Only then did they execute the engineering on that proposal and it took a decent amount of time for them to acheive design-freeze status on each of the three variants. This (what Sukhoi did post 2002, and lockheed did post 2001) is how aerospace programs work. Specificly, PDR on the F-35 air system was acheived in mid 2003 (around 6 months after design freeze) or a little over 3 years before its prototype (AA 1) first flew, while CDR occured between late 2004 and 2007 depending upon the variant leading up to the beginning of series production (LRIP) for each variant.

Regardless, I restricted myself to what each side claimed in terms of First Flight, Series Production, and Service entry and operationalization and as shown they were looking for looking for first flight in 06 which later moved to the right as did the beginning of series production (which has yet to start).

But comparing the JSF time line to PAK-FA is really not the correct one , JSF had its own complexity for delays but that apart both the program are different other then being 5th Gen for both the airforces


Not comparing the aircraft but the program schedule and time-lines as were floated by their respective operators. As has been shown via over half a dozen sources, the initial plans were to fly the prototype by 2006, later 2007 and finally 2009 before actually achieving it in 2010. This is documented and available from multiple sources both well versed in Russian aviation and defense (PB for example) and others (Aviation Week, Intravia, InterFax, BBC etc).

Yes they do seem ridiculous in hindsight and to some they appeared overly optimistic even then (including to PB) but that is besides the point and it did not deter folks to vehemently claim that a 2007 first flight was on the cards . There are interesting arguments floating around the www b/w folks claiming that 2007 is an optimistic first-flight date while others were stating that it wasn't and that the program was on track of 2007 first flight as late as 2005.

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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

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Ka-62 Performs First Flight


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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

Postby Philip » 31 May 2017 17:50

The news that a naval variant of the KA-226T,which we're going to acqyuire/build at home 200+,will be of great interest to the IN which requires dozens of light naval helos which can operate from its smaller ships and shore bases.

https://www.rt.com/news/380818-russian- ... licopters/
The Russian Navy is starting to equip its ships with the latest set of combat and reconnaissance helicopters to strengthen its military clout across the world.
Ka-52K attack helicopters, Ka-31R radar surveillance helicopters, and Ka-226T shipborne helicopters will join the Russian Navy as part of the military modernization program that will run through 2025, the navy said Wednesday. In addition, the navy will receive a modernized version of the Ka-27PL choppers already in use.

"In the period until 2025, Russian naval aviation will be equipped with the new generation ship-based helicopters and helicopters that have undergone a profound modernization," the navy said in a press release.

The navy hopes that alongside "newest frigates, corvettes, and patrol ships," that are designed to carry choppers, the latest arsenal will "significantly improve" the efficiency of assigned naval tasks throughout the world.

The Ka-52K ship-based reconnaissance and combat helicopter is set to become the cream of the crop of the Russian naval force. The chopper, made by the Kamov rotorcraft manufacturing company, made its first flight in March 2015 before being unveiled in Russia at the International Maritime Defense Show in July of the same year.

The Ka-52K is equipped with state-of-the-art laser beam guidance and video processing systems, the naval-technology news website notes. The chopper also carries a 2A42-1 30mm automatic cannon and high-fragmentation, explosive incendiary, or armor-piercing rounds.

The firepower of 550 rounds a minute can destroy tanks, armored and non-armored ground targets. In addition, the Ka-52K can launch Kh-31 and Kh-35 air-to-surface missiles. The aircraft can reach a top speed of 300km/h and a cruising speed of 260km/h.
The navy also said that it is continuing to invest in the research and development of "radically new" aircraft, drones, and aviation weapon systems.

The necessity to develop and produce new weapons, the navy noted, stems from the recent success of the Russian aircraft group that has just returned from a combat mission in the Mediterranean.

In October 2016, a Russian naval group, headed by the heavy aircraft-carrying missile cruiser the ‘Admiral Kuznetsov’, was sent to the Mediterranean to participate in the anti-terrorist operation in Syria.

By February, the aviation wing of the naval group – consisting of Ka-27 and Ka-29 choppers in addition to SU-33, Mig-29 fighter jets – had conducted over 750 flights on a variety of missions. Of those missions, 117 were flown at night.

The deployment of Russian naval aviation in Syria "allowed to fulfill the entire range of tasks in the airspace over the sea and land," the navy noted.

Helicopters are "the most important element ensuring the quality and efficiency" of the performance of the "complex tasks" that the Russian Navy performs throughout the world.

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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

Postby Philip » 01 Jun 2017 17:25

Russia and L&T cooperating on an AIP system indicates who L&T's partner is going to be for the P_75I sub req.

https://sputniknews.com/military/201705 ... unit-subs/
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Indian Navy personnel stand on an Indian Navy submarine during the International Fleet Review in Visakhapatnam on February 6, 2016Russia, India Set to Discuss Creation of Anaerobic Power Unit for Submarines
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The Russian arms exporter Rosoboronexport and the Indian Larsen & Toubro Limited will discuss creation of anaerobic power unit for submarines during the upcoming St. Petersburg International Economic Forum (SPIEF), the Rosoboronexport’s press service said on Wednesday.


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