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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

Postby Philip » 02 Mar 2018 18:07

http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/russi ... -1.4557201

Here's a look at Russia's 'invulnerable' weapons
Nuclear-powered cruise missile that could fly for months is 'the craziest part,' analyst says

By Nicole Mortillaro, CBC News Posted: Mar 02, 2018

In this video grab provided by RU-RTR Russian television via AP television on Thursday, a computer simulation shows the Avangard hypersonic vehicle manoeuvring around missile defences.
In this video grab provided by RU-RTR Russian television via AP television on Thursday, a computer simulation shows the Avangard hypersonic vehicle manoeuvring around missile defences. (RU-RTR Russian Television via Associated Press)

Nicole Mortillaro
Senior Writer, Science and Technology

Nicole has an avid interest in all things science. As an amateur astronomer, Nicole can be found looking up at the night sky appreciating the marvels of our universe. She is the editor of the Journal of the Royal Astronomical Society of Canada and the author of several books.

In a speech reminiscent of language used in the Cold War, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced to the world Thursday that Russia possesses an arsenal of new nuclear weapons that can't be intercepted.

Included are nuclear-powered subs or drones, called uninhabited underwater vehicles (UUV), nuclear-powered missiles and a hypersonic, intercontinental ballistic missile.

A nuclear-powered underwater drone is something the U.S. knew the Russians were working on. In 2015, a Russian "leak," which the Pentagon believes was deliberate, revealed plans of an underwater drone, complete with images of what the government-aligned television station NTV said was its nuclear warhead.

Vladimir Putin's answer to nuclear threats is more nuclear weapons2:41

Then, in 2016, U.S. intelligence revealed that Russia had tested the vehicle code-named Kanyon by the Pentagon. Russia calls the program the Ocean Multipurpose System Status-6.

According to the documents released in 2015, the Status-6 could carry a multi-megaton nuclear bomb with a range of about 10,000 kilometres moving at 56 knots, or 104 km/h and travel to a depth of more than 1,000 metres. It is also capable of carrying a 100-megaton nuclear warhead, which Putin said could target coastal targets and warships.

To put it in perspective, the most powerful nuclear bomb ever tested was the Tsar Bomba that was 56 megatons.

Russia New Weapons
A computer simulation shows a Russian nuclear-powered underwater drone being released by a submarine. (RU-RTR Russian Television via Associated Press)

While the goal of submarines is to be as quiet as possible, the Status-6 wouldn't need to be, due to its speed. As well, since it's unmanned, the UUV is able to go to depths no other submarines can.

Russia confirms spike in radioactivity
"It would go out, potentially to the other side of the world, and then come back," said Edward Geist, an associate policy researcher at the RAND Corporation, a non-profit think-tank in the United States. "It's going to be incredibly loud, but they don't care because it'll be faster than the torpedoes we can fire at it."

'The nuclear-powered cruise missile is the craziest part.'
— Edward Geist, RAND Corporation
Geist said, ideally the Russians would carry the Status-6 in a submarine and park in the Arctic, where it would be difficult for U.S. subs to find them. They would be able to launch, and there would be no way to stop it.

As well, Putin announced a hypersonic missile called the Avangard that he claims can travel at 20 times the speed of sound, or roughly 7.5 kilometres a second. He said that the weapon is capable of performing sharp manoeuvres, making it "absolutely invulnerable for any missile defence system."

"For a ballistic missile that's not that crazy a speed," Geist said. "The crazier part is it's maneouvring at that speed."

Russia New Weapons missile
Russia's new Sarmat intercontinental missile is shown at an undisclosed location. President Vladimir Putin declared Thursday that Russia has developed a range of new nuclear weapons, claiming they can't be intercepted. (RU-RTR Russian Television via Associated Press)

But one weapon did surprise some experts: the nuclear-powered cruise missile.

"The nuclear-powered cruise missile is the craziest part," Geist said. "Everybody's jaws dropped when that was mentioned because we had no idea they were working on it."

This missile can take an arbitrary path to its target and circumnavigate any enemy defences. And the advantage to being nuclear-powered is that it can fly around for months, due to its almost limitless energy supply.

But the Pentagon told Reuters on Thursday they had been keeping an eye on Russian weapons development.

"We've been watching Russia for a long time. We're not surprised," Pentagon spokeswoman Dana White said.

"These weapons that are discussed have been in development a very long time," she told a news briefing, without addressing any of Putin's specific claims of new capabilities.

No real proof
Of course, there is very little real information on these new weapons Russia is claiming to have, so it's unclear if they have been successfully tested or if they even exist.

The video Putin showed included animation and video that purports to show tests of the missiles.

Russia New Weapons
A computer simulation shows the Avangard hypersonic vehicle being released from booster rockets. (RU-RTR Russian Television via Associated Press)

Geist said Putin's choice to make the announcement in his state of the union message is related to the Russian presidential election on March 18. And Putin wants to make it clear that Russia is unhappy with the U.S. withdrawal from a Cold War-era treaty banning missile defences, as well as the U.S. development of a missile defence system.

Should we be worried?

"You should not worry about these things destroying your port city tomorrow, but in terms of the overall state of U.S.-Russia relations and the arms race, essentially this is not good. At all," Geist said.

"It doesn't mean we're going to have a nuclear war tomorrow, but this is a sign of worsening relations and a revived arms-race dynamic that is generally undesirable."

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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

Postby prasannasimha » 02 Mar 2018 19:44

Problem is most of these are animations and not real tests so we can only wonder.

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Postby brar_w » 02 Mar 2018 19:47

But still to be taken seriously. One think Russia doesn't mess around with is its strategic deterrent and capability.

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Postby Austin » 02 Mar 2018 21:18

prasannasimha wrote:Problem is most of these are animations and not real tests so we can only wonder.


Two are deployed system , Hypersonic Aeroballistic missile and Project 4202 or Avangrad , the rest are in test phase.

The reason for animation is not to revel how the real things look specially he mentioned AVangrag HGV was just a animation to not show how the real thing looks.

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Postby nam » 02 Mar 2018 22:29

I am expecting Pakis to copy the nuke torpedo concept. Rig a longer range conventional torpedo with a nuke. Probably get Chinis involved to develop one.

Given that Mumbai is on the coast, it would be quite useful to them.

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Postby RoyG » 02 Mar 2018 22:50

nam wrote:I am expecting Pakis to copy the nuke torpedo concept. Rig a longer range conventional torpedo with a nuke. Probably get Chinis involved to develop one.

Given that Mumbai is on the coast, it would be quite useful to them.


Shallow depth presents a problem for torpedoes. Moreover, detonating even a 50kt device underwater would mitigate most of the effects of the blast. I don't put it past them however to detonate supersonic nuclear tipped missiles above indian naval strike groups.

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Postby Austin » 02 Mar 2018 23:32

nam wrote:I am expecting Pakis to copy the nuke torpedo concept. Rig a longer range conventional torpedo with a nuke. Probably get Chinis involved to develop one.

Given that Mumbai is on the coast, it would be quite useful to them.


Nuke torpedo has been there since beginning of nuke age but that is different compared to nuke reactor powered UUV , nuking mumbai coast means radio active contamination over kms at the least that is significant environment damage , material damage won’t be large , would need Multi megaton nuke to do such damage

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Postby kit » 03 Mar 2018 00:56

brar_w wrote:But still to be taken seriously. One think Russia doesn't mess around with is its strategic deterrent and capability.


well and the pentagon wont give out details is interesting as well .. ( and i think american surveillance / intelligence are not so bad :mrgreen: ) it would spoil all the fun .

Bad for the planet ..bad for humanity .. there are just too many things out there that need attention than two countries playing spoil sport

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Postby Philip » 03 Mar 2018 05:24

A Paki fish might get confused , turn around and blow Karachi to kingdom come! They've enough missiles to do the biz, no need for ultra expensive UW drones.

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Postby Singha » 03 Mar 2018 06:20

Even a 1kt nuke would panic financial mkts, lead to exodus of people and hurt economy badly

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Postby Singha » 03 Mar 2018 06:22

They animated the sarmat right after launch to hide its climb speed and size of liquid flame maybe

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Postby SaiK » 03 Mar 2018 17:18

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/18 ... h-and-burn

U.S. Has Been Secretly Watching Russia's Nuclear-Powered Cruise Missiles Crash and Burn

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Postby Austin » 03 Mar 2018 20:38

SaiK wrote:http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/18948/u-s-has-been-secretly-watching-russias-nuclear-powered-cruise-missiles-crash-and-burn

U.S. Has Been Secretly Watching Russia's Nuclear-Powered Cruise Missiles Crash and Burn


Good for them then , Expect western MSM now to come with such news ........I recollect when Russia fired some 14 cruise missile during first time in Syria , MSM quickly came with news quoting CIA source that they all fell down :rotfl:

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Postby Austin » 03 Mar 2018 20:50

Singha wrote:They animated the sarmat right after launch to hide its climb speed and size of liquid flame maybe


Sarmat test was just a ground test it just flew from salvo went up by few 100 meter and then a parachute bring it down , the idea is to test the stability and throw up weight of a 200 T plus missile , it does not fly very high or is multi stage rocket just the first stage for few seconds.

HGV is a very closely guarded secret , I dont expect any design would be reveled by any country if its a flight production variant , flying hypersonic at intercontinental range in dense atmosphere and below karman line with a cross range flight stretching more than 5000 plus km in literally a ball of fire and making sure it does not disintegrate which is to say structural integrate remains intact and yet retains maneuverability and guidance to the target is a great novelty in it self , on par with some one discovering nuclear weapon the value and technology involved is on par and is good decades work of research with breakthrough needed in Materials , Hypersonic Aerodynamic and Guidance ( due to formation of bubble of plasma in its entire flight ) , This is different from BGRV that does not manouver as greatly and has cross range not exceeding few 100 km in atmosphere and most of flight is in space except post reentry.

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Postby Singha » 03 Mar 2018 21:22

so @ 200t the sarmat is as big and meaty as the ss18. i would expect a massive range and 10 mirv ...
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Postby Austin » 05 Mar 2018 13:05

New Video of State Trials of Boomerang Wheeled APC ( need to use eng subtitles )


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Su-57 Fifth-Generation Fighter Jets Successfully Tested in Syria and returns home

MOSCOW --- Two Sukhoi Su-57 stealth fighter jets have successfully completed a two-day program of tests in Syria, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu told reporters on Thursday.

"Indeed, they were there for a while. Two days. During that time, they completed a program of trials, including combat ones," Shoigu said. "I can say that the trials were success and the planes returned home a week ago."

"There were two planes escorted by flying laboratories and test beds monitoring the parameters of weapons work," the defense minister continued.

Commenting on the satellite images, uploaded on the Internet, allegedly featuring the Su-57 fighter jets, Shoigu said, "As for various satellite photos, I can state that now is not the year of 1995 and such planes are never located side by side."

"I am unaware where the released images were taken as the jets were kept in hangars throughout [the mission]," the minister said.

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Postby kit » 06 Mar 2018 03:42

Kartik wrote:Su-57 Fifth-Generation Fighter Jets Successfully Tested in Syria and returns home

MOSCOW --- Two Sukhoi Su-57 stealth fighter jets have successfully completed a two-day program of tests in Syria, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu told reporters on Thursday.
"I am unaware where the released images were taken as the jets were kept in hangars throughout [the mission]," the minister said.

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as some one pointed out the Su 57 has an entire range of electronic systems embedded into its skin from x band to passive sensors .. probably to nose about an environment rich in electronic emissions from a variety of western high power devices .. radars and fighters including the F 22 and 35 . Nowhere in Russia can you replicate that !!

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Postby Austin » 06 Mar 2018 18:32

Russia and India Test Hypersonic and Supersonic Missiles
According to unofficial sources, prototypes of the Zircon were test-launched first from a Tu-22M3 swing-wing bomber in 2012-13. Launches from a ground platform followed in 2015, with first success achieved last year. Completion of state trials on the whole family is targeted for 2020. To speed up this and other hypersonic projects, the Russian government merged the two missile houses Raduga and NPO Mashinostroenia under the control of Tactical Missile Corporation (TRV).

The Zircon is designated 3M22 by the Russian MoD and represents a further development of the HELA (acronym for Russian “Hypersonic Experimental Flying Vehicle”) that was on display at the MAKS airshow in 1995.

It is therefore believed to be a winged cruise missile with a lift-generating center body. A booster stage with solid-fuel engines accelerates it to a supersonic speed, at which point the scramjet motor of the second stage takes over. Its range is estimated to be from 135 to 270 nautical miles at low level, and up to 400 nautical miles in a semi-ballistic trajectory. The Zircon will be a family of missiles adaptable to various types of carriers and launchers, and so will be available in air-, surface- and underwater- launched versions.


In theory, the range of the hypersonic Brahmos II could also now be extended to 600 km. It has been under development since an Indo-Russian agreement in 2008. A scale model of the Brahmos II was displayed at the Aero India show in 2013. At that show, the former BrahMos Aerospace CEO Sivathanu Pillai described it as "a completely new missile.” He continued: “In the future, cruise missiles can be intercepted by anti-missiles. Faced with this, we must work on the new version accelerating to above Mach 5 that can complete the mission. We need to make countermeasure systems and reduce missile's signatures. We need to make it from the proper materials able to withstand the heat from high speeds. It’s going to be a very complex technology…we need at least five years to develop it.”

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Postby Austin » 06 Mar 2018 18:34

Brahmos II/Zircon would have a range of 400 nautical miles with a scramjet engine translates to more than 700 km low level range is 250-500 km

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Postby Kartik » 07 Mar 2018 01:30

Russian An-26 crash in Syria claims 32 lives

A Russian transport aircraft crashed in Syria on 6 March with the loss of all 32 on board, the Ministry of Defence (MoD) confirmed.

The Antonov An-26 ‘Curl’ twin-engined turboprop came down while attempting to land at Humaymim air base on the Syrian coast, killing the 26 passengers and six crew members.

According to the Russian MoD, the incident was not caused by enemy action and a technical malfunction was to blame.

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Postby Austin » 08 Mar 2018 10:41

Photos of Nuclear Powered Cruise Missile Test

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Postby Singha » 11 Mar 2018 17:03

clear video of the kinzhal hypersonic ASM off the Mig31
https://sputniknews.com/military/201803 ... c-missile/

it seems to be at IOC level going by 250 flights conducted. not sure why blur part of it, it has some black IR type "windows" on the side..kind of like our AAD has side looking sensor

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Postby nam » 11 Mar 2018 18:02

Seems a air launched BM with IIR sensor( or camera with Image recognition?). Would be interesting to see if they are using IIR, how are they using it at hypersonic speeds and temperature.

Something similar to our PDV, but in air launched A2S mode.

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Postby Singha » 11 Mar 2018 18:12

A2AD against ships...could be radar also those panels or radar and IIR both
lot cheaper than DF21 as Mig31 is already in large numbers.

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Postby brar_w » 11 Mar 2018 18:34

Singha wrote:A2AD against ships...could be radar also those panels or radar and IIR both
lot cheaper than DF21 as Mig31 is already in large numbers.


The delivery mechanism had to be air or sea (as Russia is treaty limited) so the cost or capability comparison to DF21 does not matter. Having said that, a TEL is much cheaper to produce and operate than a MiG-31 so the cost to produce the missile cannot be looked at in isolation without also considering the delivery mechanism.

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Postby John » 12 Mar 2018 00:55

brar_w wrote:
Singha wrote:A2AD against ships...could be radar also those panels or radar and IIR both
lot cheaper than DF21 as Mig31 is already in large numbers.


The delivery mechanism had to be air or sea (as Russia is treaty limited) so the cost or capability comparison to DF21 does not matter. Having said that, a TEL is much cheaper to produce and operate than a MiG-31 so the cost to produce the missile cannot be looked at in isolation without also considering the delivery mechanism.

Df21 is less practical because a ballistic missile launch of Df21 could be misinterpreted as a nuclear strike where as this is better option for conventional strike.

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John wrote:Df21 is less practical because a ballistic missile launch of Df21 could be misinterpreted as a nuclear strike where as this is better option for conventional strike.


They have just claimed that the ALBM is going to be conventional and nuclear (see the graphic) so the Air Launch aspect does absolutely nothing as far as the payload ambiguity problem is concerned (i.e how to determine whether an incoming ballistic missile has a nuclear or conventional payload). The same applies to GLCMs, and ALCMs which can also have nuclear and conventional variants. At the moment these are medium-intermediate range Ballistic Missiles with MaRVs which is a decades-old capability and relatively straightforward as far as target ambiguity is concerned (once your regional EW picks them up you will have a fairly good idea of the target).

When you throw in medium-intermediate range boost-glide vehicles then the problem of target ambiguity (i.e. accurately determine a likely target for example a strategic asset such as an EW radar site, or a tactical asset such as a military base) becomes more severe particularly if your opponent's long-range surveillance capabilities are degraded as could be during a potential conflict. That could lead to some serious escalation...As I said in the Chinese thread, they too will go in and develop ALBMs as a more survivable conventional capability (as a means of access denial) amidst the growing threat from US CPGS. These are old Cold War concepts and just about everything had been conceptualized, tested and in some cases even deployed pre INF by the FSU or US/NATO. From Medium-Intermediate ranged missiles with MaRVs, to Air Launched Ballistic Missiles, and tactical ASAT weapons etc...

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Postby Austin » 12 Mar 2018 15:07

nam wrote:Seems a air launched BM with IIR sensor( or camera with Image recognition?). Would be interesting to see if they are using IIR, how are they using it at hypersonic speeds and temperature.

Something similar to our PDV, but in air launched A2S mode.


Look like it has IR windows in all the 4 sides , I think it is due to the fact that the missile rolls while in flight to extereme heat generated and rolling helps uniformly heating of surface and hence a single IR window wont do the trick when it comes to targeting and guidance , Even Shaurya does that.

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The guidance part I mentioned because I read an interview with Kh-90 Mach 3 cruise missile designer that while flying high the missile did not have any reference unlike a subsonic cruise missile that flies low and has multiple landmark to check against the flight path , So they had to develop unique guidance system based on IR sensors in missile that flew very high ( 25 km + ) and depended on horizon and INS system and Radar for accurate guidance excluding external sensors like GPS etc

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Postby Austin » 12 Mar 2018 15:23

Interiew with Deputy Defence Minister Deputy Defense Minister Yuri BORISOV

Many new details on the new system

http://www.redstar.ru/index.php/compone ... l-avangard

On Avantgrad Hypersonic Glide Vehical:


There are so-called laws of Keppler, discovered in the XVI century. All the celestial bodies move along them, and, in fact, these laws are applicable to the description of the ballistic trajectory of the movement of missiles. That is, you can predict where the next moment will be the body moving along the ballistic trajectory. On this, in fact, built all the information tools that allow you to determine the distance to the target and its location at a certain point in time. The next mark from the target is predicted depending on the possible speed characteristics of this goal, which are also potentially known. After confirming its location in the predicted location, a chain of expected next marks is built. When the trajectory is actually known, it is possible to determine the launching point of the rocket and the point of its fall.

With hypersonic objects, things are much more complicated because they move at speeds that are almost the same as ballistic targets, but they also maneuver both in height and course. Therefore, to predict the finding of this goal at the next moment of time is very difficult. All this makes the problem of detection, trajectory tying, detection of the meeting point and the defeat of the missile by anti-missile means an order of magnitude more complicated.

The system "Avangard", about which the president spoke, is well tested. Not without difficulty, it was created, because the temperature on the surface of the combat unit reaches two thousand degrees. It really flies in the plasma. Therefore, the problem of managing this object and protection issues were very acute, but solutions were found. Practical tests of this system have confirmed the feasibility of the chosen approach. I will say more, we have a contract for the mass production of these systems. So this is no bluff, but real things.

Dagger Hypersonic Air Launched Missile/Mig-31
: The main first feature and complexity - it was necessary to reach the speeds of hypersonic, that is, about ten mach. This allows you to quickly approach the object, in contrast, say, from cruise missiles that fly at average cruising speeds of about 850-900 km / h. That is, the first feature is first of all speed.

The second feature of the system is that it can maneuver during its flight with the help of aerodynamic steering wheels and bypass all dangerous zones. These are zones of anti-aircraft or anti-missile defense. As our Minister of Defense put it, an anti-missile umbrella becomes leaky in this situation. It is the possibility of maneuvering in hypersonic flight that makes it possible to ensure invulnerability of this product and guaranteed hit in the target.

Here we have moved far enough, since December of last year the first products have been taken into experimental combat operation, they are already on duty. So this is far from fantastic. Moreover, it is a class of high-precision weapons that has a multi-functional warhead that allows to work both for stationary and moving targets. In particular, aircraft carriers and ships of the class of a cruiser, destroyer, frigate are potential targets for this weapon.

Nuclear Cruise Missile/UUV
:in order to bring the reactor of an atomic submarine to a given capacity, it takes several hours. And here it all happens in a matter of seconds. And the overall dimensions of this installation are such that they allow to really create a torpedo with quite acceptable overall and weight characteristics - they are the record, we can say. This is the uniqueness of the new weapon.

The uniqueness of this rocket is that it may be slower than the hypersonic "Dagger", but it flies along a given trajectory, skirting the folds of the terrain at a low altitude, which makes it difficult to detect it. Practically it can be found on the very approach to the goal, and the possibilities of its maneuver make the cruise missile also invulnerable. She can carry cargo at any distance. Day can fly. This is another of its uniqueness.

laser weapons : Since last year, laser systems have been put into service, which make it possible to disarm a potential enemy and to hit all those objects that serve as the target for the laser beam of this system.

Our nuclear scientists learned how to concentrate the energy necessary to defeat the corresponding weapons of the enemy in practically a few moments, in a matter of a fraction of a second. I think that the dynamics of achievements, especially in the field of weapons on new physical principles, gained corresponding rates.

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MiG-35 completes factory trials, heads to VKS trials. Cross post from Keypubs

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brar_w wrote:
John wrote:Df21 is less practical because a ballistic missile launch of Df21 could be misinterpreted as a nuclear strike where as this is better option for conventional strike.


They have just claimed that the ALBM is going to be conventional and nuclear (see the graphic) so the Air Launch aspect does absolutely nothing as far as the payload ambiguity problem is concerned (i.e how to determine whether an incoming ballistic missile has a nuclear or conventional payload). The same applies to GLCMs, and ALCMs which can also have nuclear and conventional variants. At the moment these are medium-intermediate range Ballistic Missiles with MaRVs which is a decades-old capability and relatively straightforward as far as target ambiguity is concerned (once your regional EW picks them up you will have a fairly good idea of the target).

When you throw in medium-intermediate range boost-glide vehicles then the problem of target ambiguity (i.e. accurately determine a likely target for example a strategic asset such as an EW radar site, or a tactical asset such as a military base) becomes more severe particularly if your opponent's long-range surveillance capabilities are degraded as could be during a potential conflict. That could lead to some serious escalation...As I said in the Chinese thread, they too will go in and develop ALBMs as a more survivable conventional capability (as a means of access denial) amidst the growing threat from US CPGS. These are old Cold War concepts and just about everything had been conceptualized, tested and in some cases even deployed pre INF by the FSU or US/NATO. From Medium-Intermediate ranged missiles with MaRVs, to Air Launched Ballistic Missiles, and tactical ASAT weapons etc...



I think the nuclear is simply added in due to current geo political tension there is no question in my mind this is conventional weapon. In fact I think it is primarily targeted for export ( expect a export version to be announced with MTCR friendly range). I expect the missile to be integrated into Su-24,Su-30,Mig-35 and Su-32.

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Postby brar_w » 13 Mar 2018 04:28

John wrote:I think the nuclear is simply added in due to current geo political tension there is no question in my mind this is conventional weapon.


I think actual war planners, and those who look at weapons and an adequate response don't really care much about what you or I think. The official Russian position is that it is both conventional and nuclear and there is no reason to doubt them. Regardless, the statement alone adds a level of ambiguity and goes against the claim that it is a better option from a payload ambiguity point of view. It would also be quite naive to think that a Chinese use of a conventional theater Medium or Intermediate Ballistic Missile would somehow provoke a strategic response which then brings into consideration MAD. The entire point of having a comparable response (hence CPGS (US) and similar weapons with other Chinese adversaries) is to avoid having to cross that threshold.

John wrote:I expect the missile to be integrated into Su-24,Su-30,Mig-35 and Su-32.


Any idea of how much it weighs?

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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

Postby Philip » 13 Mar 2018 12:29

Speed of M.20?!

[quote]Russia’s Avangard hypersonic missile system
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Russia’s Defense Ministry has signed a contract on the serial production of the advanced Avangard hypersonic missile complex
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MOSCOW, March 12. /TASS/. On March 12, 2018, Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said in an interview with Krasnaya Zvezda newspaper that Russia’s Defense Ministry had signed a contract on the serial production of the most advanced Avangard hypersonic missile complex.

The Avangard is a strategic intercontinental ballistic missile system equipped with a gliding hypersonic maneuvering warhead.

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According to open sources, the guided hypersonic warhead (the spacehead) of the Avangard intercontinental ballistic missile system is codenamed 15Yu71. It was developed as part of the R&D work "4202" by specialists of the Military and Industrial Corporation "Research and Production Association of Machine-Building" (the town of Reutov) under the guidance of Chief Designer Pavel Sudyukov. Russia’s Federal Space Agency acted as the customer for the R&D work "4202."

Compared to traditional warheads of intercontinental ballistic missiles, which follow the ballistic trajectory towards their targets, the maneuvering glider warhead travels a part of its flight path at an altitude of several dozen kilometers in the dense layers of the atmosphere.

While maneuvering along its flight path and by its altitude, the glider warhead is capable of bypassing the area of the missile defense’s detection and destruction capabilities.

The warhead’s performance characteristics have not been officially disclosed. Presumably, the glider vehicle is about 5.4m long and develops a speed exceeding Mach 20. The warhead is either nuclear (from 150 kilotonnes to 1 megatonne) or conventional.

According to Strategic Missile Force Commander Sergei Karakayev, the vehicle’s body is made of composite materials, which makes it resistant to aerodynamic heating of several thousand degrees and protects it from laser irradiation. The vehicle is equipped with the thermoregulation system developed by the Nauka Research and Production Association.

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On February 19, 2004, First Deputy Chief of Russia’s General Staff Yuri Baluyevsky told reporters that during a training exercise, specialists "tested a space vehicle capable of flying at a hypersonic speed while maneuvering by its flight path and altitude and, therefore, capable of bypassing regional missile defense groupings."

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According to unofficial data, the tests of the "object 4202" had been held since 2004 at the Baikonur and Yasny spaceports where the RS-18B rocket based on the 15A35 intercontinental ballistic missile of the UR-100NUTTKh strategic missile complex was used as a carrier. According to open sources, the experimental facility’s launch equipment for the R&D work "4202" was developed by the Design Bureau of Special Machine-Building (St. Petersburg) while the transport and technological equipment set was made by the Design Bureau "Motor" (a branch of the Center for the Operation of Ground-Based Space Infrastructure).

Media outlets reported in July 2016, citing unnamed sources that the trials of the "object 4202" would be conducted along with the flight development tests of the prospective Sarmat intercontinental ballistic missile.

In his State of the Nation Address to the Federal Assembly on March 1, 2018, Russian President Vladimir Putin highlighted the Avangard missile complex with the maneuvering warhead. As the president noted, "the vehicle approaches the target like a fireball" while "being reliably guided." Strategic Missile Force Commander Sergei Karakayev said later on March 1 that the trials of the Avangard missile complex had been successfully completed.

According to Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov, the Avangard system was "well tested," although it took great efforts to develop it. According to the defense official, the problem of guiding the vehicle and the issues of its protection were quite acute but solutions were found while the practical tests of this system "confirmed the operability of the approach that was selected.".

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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

Postby Singha » 13 Mar 2018 13:10

>>in order to bring the reactor of an atomic submarine to a given capacity, it takes several hours. And here it all happens in a matter of seconds.

a key point - a canister launched nuclear reactor with instant-on criticality. nice. should spread a lot of FUD and havoc all over :)

the avangard is analogous to many US projects under the prompt global strike bucket

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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

Postby brar_w » 13 Mar 2018 14:46

Singha wrote:the avangard is analogous to many US projects under the prompt global strike bucket


CPGF is not Intercontinental range but has been kept to a theater level for now. Plus it is strictly conventional. The idea with the program is to launch from a USN submarine or a DDG and they have tested it out to about 4000 km range with >50% of the flight being within the atmosphere. Launching an ICBM with a conventional payload was considered too escalatory and the idea of fielding a MIII based weapon was dropped some time back as it was, tactically, not very usefull. An ICBM based glider with the sort of atmospheric cross range capability would be disastrous from target ambiguity perspective with variations that could be in the thousands of km (you could have been literally been targeting something in Iran or even NoKo and send Russian EW systems into a frenzy and risk escalatory response). The complement to it would be the air-launched capability (Air Launched Tactical boost glide system) and that is something that will enter flight testing later this year or early next year, will be strictly conventional and theater range (2-4K km). The scramjet based weapons would be shorter ranged compared to these systems and hence would be present on tactical aircraft like the JASSM is now.

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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

Postby Neshant » 13 Mar 2018 18:39

We have not had a major war for a long time.

There is a sense that it will never happen again but history proves it inevitably happens.

US needs to keep Russia as an enemy without which the entire NATO alliance falls apart as it has no purpose.

US keeps pushing the envelope to ensure Russia is at loggerheads with NATO - a dangerous policy surely.

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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

Postby Singha » 14 Mar 2018 13:19

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Close look 47M2 #Kinzhal , no sign of IR/optical sensor like on Iskander so it should be active radar homing (to hit a moving target) + inertial for nav (link: https://twitter.com/nukesn_missiles/sta ... 96/photo/1) pic.twitter.com/YVnmKs1L5o

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Re: Russian weapons and military technology

Postby Austin » 14 Mar 2018 14:47

Those are certainly optical windows , I wonder what does he mean by sign ....if he means some markings indicating it like RF or IR seeker its very rare on missile and i have seen such things on aircraft that too for radar more of a safety thing


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