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WTF

https://youtu.be/qLV1Ao9QkpE


Seems their hypersonic program is unbelievably advanced.
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Fillipov, 'kowski is Polish!
There was a note about an SU-34 ,the tactical bomber version of the Flanker flying in the stratosphere in a threat exercise just recently. On a channel,W.Cdr. Bakshi,former IAF spokesman,said that we are now ruing the retirement of the Canberra bombers,which had an option for converting them into tankers.
My aeons old suggestion still stands,converting the hundreds of MIG-21s into UAVs/ UCAVs or even kamikaze UCAVs. Every old platform has a future if you think out of the box.

Yes,Ru hyper weapons on the brink of deployment in its navy on the Kirov upgraded battlecruiser,subs and even on some corvettes from Ru reports. Staggering achievement.
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sanjaykumar wrote:WTF

https://youtu.be/qLV1Ao9QkpE


Seems their hypersonic program is unbelievably advanced.
What's so WTF about this? These are modernized versions of cold war era missiles no? Adding "hypersonic" prefix to everything has become a fad.
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No Cold War weapon including ABM missiles accelerate this fast. There is clearly a two stage burn. If the second is a scram jet, this is almost science fiction. However it may be a secondary booster rocket.
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sanjaykumar wrote:No Cold War weapon including ABM missiles accelerate this fast. There is clearly a two stage burn. If the second is a scram jet, this is almost science fiction. However it may be a secondary booster rocket.
That’s the A-235? Which is modernized version of A-135.
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sanjaykumar wrote:No Cold War weapon including ABM missiles accelerate this fast.
50-60 year old technology (Lockheed Martin) linked below. Tipped the scales at around 100 G acceleration and took about 5.1 seconds to get from launch to Mach 10. Still widely regarded as one of the fastest accelerating man made objects ever built. You don't need to go WTF or think of "Scramjet" or whatever else when it comes to rapidly accelerating vehicles, particularly ABM systems.

00:20 onward,


The Sprint missile, cone-shaped like the reentry vehicles it was intercepting, had two solid-propellant rocket stages. The missile was popped out of its silo by a cold gas generator; then the first stage ignited, accelerating the missile at more than 100G's. Seconds later the missile reached Mach 10, protected by the same ablative nose-cone technology used on the re-entry vehicles it was intercepting... LINK

Sprint accelerated at 100 g, reaching a speed of Mach 10 in 5 seconds. Such a high velocity at relatively low altitudes created skin temperatures up to 6,200 °F (3,430 °C), requiring an ablative shield to dissipate the heat.[1][2] The high temperature caused a plasma to form around the missile, requiring extremely powerful radio signals to reach it for guidance. The missile glowed bright white as it flew. LINK
abhik wrote:Adding "hypersonic" prefix to everything has become a fad.
Yes this is a major source of headache for those of us who spend a lot of time reading up about these things. Offensive and Defensive missiles have been flying at "hypersonic" speeds for well over half a century. Many nations around the world field these weapons. Folks forget that the current "breakthroughs" in hypersonic research is in hypersonic cruise, and boost glide vehicles that can sustain well over half of their flight profile in non ballistic flight. For thousands of kms.

Even H-BGV's are slower than traditional, similarly ranged ballistic missiles (if one looks at the average speed) but they have other benefits.
Philip wrote: There was a note about an SU-34 ,the tactical bomber version of the Flanker flying in the stratosphere in a threat exercise just recently.
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Many 4th and 5th generation fighters are capable of flying in the "stratosphere".
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In fact I was comparing this launch with video of the well-known Sprint around 1968, they are on Youtube.
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sanjaykumar wrote:In fact I was comparing this launch with video of the well-known Sprint around 1968, they are on Youtube.
Sure, share the data to compare. Sprint is half a century old. You would think that the technology to better it would have been matured decades ago so it wouldn't be surprising if the latest Russian ABM can match or exceed it. But still, the data would be interesting to look at. You don't need scramjet or any such thing (and how would scramjet help here?). The nature of terminal ICBM intercept demands high acceleration. I expect Sprint records to be shattered by the upcoming HBGV defense interceptors which will begin showing up soon enough. The problem set is very similar. There the challenge is intercepting a Mach 5-8 maneuvering boost glide vehicle at 40-50 km altitude for terminal area defense (w/o a certain PIP).
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What is the latest on the laser weaponry being installed initially on UK/USN warships? They were touted decades ago as the future for ABM defence.A jumbo with a ball laser turret was under development.I think it was shelved,perhaps Brar will know more about the US's laser weaponry progress .
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Philip wrote:What is the latest on the laser weaponry being installed initially on UK/USN warships? They were touted decades ago as the future for ABM defence.A jumbo with a ball laser turret was under development.I think it was shelved,perhaps Brar will know more about the US's laser weaponry progress .
Replied in the appropriate thread : viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4752&p=2463864#p2463864
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The Russians are coming... With newer A2A missiles. Wonder if anyone of these will land up on the 12 mki and 21 mig29s that have been ordered...

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/3 ... -and-felon
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Watch Russia fly its new fighter jet with the top down, as a flex
https://www.popularmechanics.com/milita ... -top-down/
Because sometimes you just have to take a cruise without the shield that protects you from freezing to death.
Here’s the video. The missing canopy shot is at the 1:10 mark, but the whole video is worth watching:

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According yo a news report,Aero- India 2021 at Blr. will feature the SU-57,SU-35,MIG-35,KA-52 heavy attack helo ,MI-26T,and other platforms. It should be a truly great show.See you gents in Feb at the show!
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Just this week, the Russians were involved in the massive SolarWinds security hack in US and they sent bombers in formation with Chinese aircraft across South Korea.



If we don't wean ourselves off Russian stuff, we'll end up entangled in another cold war whether we want it or not.

Just like the period under the Nehru we would be seen as democracy that acts as a bulwark against Cheen but too close to Russia to benefit fully from a Western alliance.
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I don't think it as simple as that, the West chose Pakistan, it was lack of options which pushed India to the Soviets. The West today also has not abandoned Pakistan, it works both ways.

We have to work for our interests.
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Russian bloggers sneaks into fighter jet plant in Moscow

Russian Youtuber with Den Stalk nickname has released an incredible video that showed how he with friends crept inside a factory in Moscov that previously produced legendary Soviet MiG-29 Fulcrum fighter jet and Russian MiG-AT advanced trainer and light attack aircraft.

He and his friends sneaked through a hole in the fence and were able to access many of the plant’s buildings unchallenged, including the assembly line of multirole fighters, without coming across a single security guard – or indeed any other employees at all.

The published video shows several fuselages of a rare MiG-AT trainer from an initial series that was developed in 1996. MiG-AT is a Russian advanced trainer that was intended to replace the Aero L-39 of the Russian Air Force. Designed by the Mikoyan Design Bureau and built by the Moscow Aircraft Production Association, the MiG-AT made its first flight in March 1996. It is the first joint aircraft development program between Russia and France and the first military collaborative project between Russia and the West.

Also spotted dozens of MiG-29 radomes made from fiber glass-reinforced plastic, boxes with spare parts and the fuselage of combat aircraft.
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I hope these are not those mothballed mig 29s we have placed an order for
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^^^ Yes, the fear is we would get the same batch that Algeria had returned because the Algerians found that the parts in them were severely old and worn:
http://idrw.org/careful-india-mig-29-of ... r-quality/
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chola wrote:^^^ Yes, the fear is we would get the same batch that Algeria had returned because the Algerians found that the parts in them were severely old and worn:
http://idrw.org/careful-india-mig-29-of ... r-quality/
Russia is mainly interested in dumping mothballed/existing inventory close to price of new product (after supposedly refurbishing them) this allows them to maximize the profit. We seen it with Kilo offer, Grigorovich Frigate and Mig-29s.
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This is an abandoned factory. I am "hopeful" that our procurement team did not visit these kind of sites to make a call !!!
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chola wrote:^^^ Yes, the fear is we would get the same batch that Algeria had returned because the Algerians found that the parts in them were severely old and worn:
http://idrw.org/careful-india-mig-29-of ... r-quality/
IDRW? really Chola saar. The algerian fiasco happened over a decade ago and those birds were absorbed back uinto the VVS. stationed somewhere in the far east iirc.

Iaf seems quite happy with it's SMTs and hence the interest in more numbers.
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https://twitter.com/sebh1981/status/134 ... 04608?s=20 ---> Project 941 Akula (NATO reporting name Typhoon) rudder.

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https://twitter.com/AirPowerAsia/status ... 37248?s=20 ---> A TASS source says that the first newly built Tu-160M will "most likely" make its maiden flight in Q4 of 2021.

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Navy Recognition: 2 more type 955 Borei-A SSBNs to be laid down this yr.
3 Borei 955 plus 5 955-A SSBNs are in service/ construction.
Each can carry 20 BMs ,Bulava, 10 warheads each missile of 550kt . Thus a total of 10 Borei SSBNs will carry a staggering 2000 N -warheads. With a speed of around 25kts+, quieting 4 to 5 times quieter than an Akula-3 and twice that of a USN Virginia class SSN, the Borei SSBN will be the backbone of Russia's strategic deterrent.

Also in the pipeline is the new Husky sub smaller than the Severodvinsk class Yasen SSGNs. This sub reportedly will come in two variants.A BM variant and an SSN. Hypersonic Tsirkon and other exotic new weapon systems will feature on this new class which will replace all Akulas,Sierras,and other SSGN classes. Upgraded Oscar class SSGNs are being fitted with Kalibir LRCMs.
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kit wrote:
brar_w wrote:Russia and China have expanded their strategic missile defense partnership with the former agreeing to help the latter in developing/upgrading a national strategic missile early warning system with likely some strong partnership on this front expected going forward. As far as strategic BMD is concerned, this, if followed through, would tie them closer than the two have ever been when it has come to BMD.
China is a direct threat to the territorial integrity of the Russian far east. Isn't this like giving away the keys of the house to a potential thief ? OT though
OT discussion moving the discussion here, Russia is well aware China is its true enemy they are happy if China is bog down with India, US, Taiwan and Japan.

Russia is engaged in its own game against China, they been reportedly trying to work with Saudi (MBS) and Pakistan come up with a way to stir up trouble with Chinese Muslim minority. Their hackers have been hitting Chinese companies trying to dig up info on its uyghur crackdown. Also strong hints some of anti China rhetoric from Trump came with blessing from Putin.
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Incredibly impressive, with a giant nuclear torpedo:


https://news.usni.org/2021/02/25/new-de ... more-83812

Russia’s latest super-sized submarine, Belgorod, has been a conundrum for interested observers. While its existence is far from secret, Moscow has gone to great pains to keep certain key details out of the public domain. While navies traditionally hide the screw, or propeller, from the cameras, in Belgorod’s case the reverse was true: the screws were on display at the 2019 launch ceremony, but no photographs of the forward section were ever published.

Belgorod’s secret is its arrangement of the primary weapon system: a new class of nuclear-tipped torpedos. Russian state media Izvestia reported on Feb. 11 that Belgorod is being prepared for tests with the new weapon called Poseidon, a massive nuclear torpedo which is shot forward out of the front of the submarine.

The Izvestia article’s timing matches fresh satellite imagery of the submarine in the northern Russian submarine base in Severodvinsk, which may show part of the tests.

In the absence of official photographs, commercial satellite imagery has become a primary source of information. Though the long Arctic nights and thick clouds have limited access to new imagery for many months, now as the Arctic winter is waning, commercial imagery satellites are once again more active over Severodvinsk.

On Feb. 10, an Airbus satellite took a high-resolution image of the harbor. Moored next to the quay is Belgorod with its torpedo tube doors appearing to be open. These tubes are not for ordinary torpedoes but rather the Poseidon nuclear-powered, nuclear-armed torpedo. It is one of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s so-called wonder weapons, together with hypersonic missiles and a nuclear-powered cruise missile.

The satellite imagery clearly shows two large openings in the bow. Each opening is roughly six feet (two meters) across, approximately three times the diameter of the openings for regular 21-inch (533mm) torpedoes. This is because the Poseidon weapon is about 20 to 30 times the size of a traditional heavyweight torpedo.

Revealed in 2015, the school-bus sized torpedo is a strategic weapon that is designed to slip under the U.S. ballistic missile defense network. The weapon is designed to “destroy important economic installations of the enemy in coastal areas and cause guaranteed devastating damage to the country’s territory by creating wide areas of radioactive contamination, rendering them unusable for military, economic or other activity for a long time,” according to a 2015 translation of the initial document by the BBC.

Previous reports indicate that Belgorod will be armed with six Poseidons. Being so large and nuclear powered, these are likely carried externally to the main pressure hull, so it is unclear whether all six tubes will have their own shutter doors or if they will be able to cycle through the two shutters seen in the satellite images.

One takeaway from the images is Belgorod probably has a forward hull between the two open shutter doors. This could allow regular torpedo tubes to be mounted in the bow, shooting over top of the sonar.

Although some reporting on the Poseidon implies Belgorod will be conducting test launches imminently, this is unlikely. It’s unclear if the submarine has ever conducted submergence testing, and just today the TASS Russian news agency reported the submarine is preparing to sail to sea for the first time.

The tests that the Izvestia article referenced are likely in-port mating and mechanical checks between the submarine and the weapon, which matches the satellite imagery showing the outer shutters open. This would likely be conducted with inert surrogate rounds where possible, given the safety implications of testing a nuclear-powered weapon with what is likely a minimally shielded reactor at the pier. 

While the public image of Belgorod is becoming clearer, the particulars of the new Russian boat are still shrouded in mystery.

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the same news I read somewhere else yesterday, said they were "Intercontinental nuclear powered Torpedoes"(???)

what does an Intercontinental Torpedos do that ICBM does not?
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what is a intercontinental torpedo - navigate underwater to intercontinental distances and hit the coast or navigate intercontinentally, suddenly rise above the water somewhere random and hit land somewhere random or is it a nuclear tipped normal torpedo launched by a nuclear sub?
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chetonzz wrote:what does an Intercontinental Torpedos do that ICBM does not?
Stay undetectable to above ground sensors and radars thereby rendering ABM systems ineffective. Even if it HAS to surface, the torpedo/missile might be programmed to do so at the last moment - a sudden pop up that would give no time for defenses to get into action. Cuban missile crisis seems like a joke compared to this. All of a sudden we are back to MAD days.
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Cain Marko wrote:All of a sudden we are back to MAD days.
When did "they" depart from the MAD days? FSU, and now Russian, and similarly, the US posture on this has very much been that of maintaining a nuclear arsenal as a deterrence. That has not, and will not change. This is why, between the two, they have more than 3,000 deployed nuclear warheads with thousands more in stockpile.
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V_Raman wrote:what is a intercontinental torpedo - navigate underwater to intercontinental distances and hit the coast or navigate intercontinentally, suddenly rise above the water somewhere random and hit land somewhere random or is it a nuclear tipped normal torpedo launched by a nuclear sub?
100 megaton warhead and 100 kilos of 'Cobalt 60' will explode 100 meters below the ocean surface very very near the US coast and render earth unlivable for any sort of Protien based life.

Range of Torpedo 10,000 kms. At speed of 150 knots
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Fancy unobtainium, vibranium, lord-varuna and UNUSABLE/UNBELIEVABLE weapon it looks like...
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Looks like the Su 57 Felon doesnt need early warning radars to be discovered., that screaming banshee sound @ 1.48 is enough :mrgreen:
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Manish_Sharma wrote:
V_Raman wrote: 100 megaton warhead and 100 kilos of 'Cobalt 60' will explode 100 meters below the ocean surface very very near the US coast and render earth unlivable for any sort of Protien based life.

Range of Torpedo 10,000 kms. At speed of 150 knots
Aye picture TWO Tsar bombas going beneath your chair :mrgreen:



And that , would be the most powerful explosion ever made by humans
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The Belgorod looks like the perfect doomsday weapon ., fire all its torpedoes and you have assured nuclear winter ! A nuclear monstrosity
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https://www.aorti.ru/media/news/byt-3d- ... nku-tseli/
he Russian military will receive radars based on a revolutionary technology - radio photonics. Unlike traditional radar stations, the new radars use optical devices rather than microwave electronics in the signal processing path.

This allows you to increase the bandwidth, which is necessary to obtain a higher resolution, which will ensure the detection of small targets against the background of interfering objects and recognition of complex targets. And the main advantage of the new development is that it allows you to compose a three-dimensional portrait of an object and determine its type. Within a few years, radio-photon radars will be installed on promising fighters and other weapons systems.
What is sneaky Gen. Vodkoff up to now?
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