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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby ArjunPandit » 03 Sep 2019 14:22

^^is that you philip?

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby vivek_ahuja » 06 Sep 2019 09:11

I recently saw the new Mi-38 being offered by the Mil folks. Pretty bird:
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Its a nice replacement (and more) for the Mi-17. And perhaps even the usual phoregn competitor for the IMRH when the time comes (or is the non-navy IMRH dead between the ALH and CH-47)?

Expect this to be on the options list when the time comes to get a Mi-17 replacement. So, as a fun exercise, I decided to run my helicopter performance software on the two birds as a comparison:
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Usual stuff and assumptions that you have seen before from my other plots, so I won't go into details on that.

For the same payload (5.5 tonnes at sea level), the Mi-38 does a lot better with manueverability and rate of climb, and also retains almost 50% more payload than a Mi-17 at 12,000 ft whilst also having better rate of climb.

Cool bird on paper.

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby Indranil » 06 Sep 2019 09:34

Very easy on the eye.

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby Khalsa » 06 Sep 2019 16:07

The angled landing gear gives away the lineage
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Gorgeous bird indeed

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby Kartik » 13 Sep 2019 04:22

MTA is back! But as the Il-276 this time, to be developed by Ilyushin for Russia's competition for a Medium Multi-role Transport Aircraft. The Il-276 is the new name for the design that was earlier known as the Il-214 and supposed to have been worked on for the MTA program with India.

Russia opens competition for new medium airlifter

The Russian defense ministry has opened a competition for the design of a “Medium Military Transport Aircraft”, local abbreviation SVTS, that will replace the Antonov An-12 tactical airlifter. According to industry insiders, Ilyushin, Tupolev and Beriev are preparing to bid. Requirements for the SVTS were put together in November last year. Although details are yet to emerge, it is expected that the future aircraft is likely be a twinjet able to carry a payload of 20 tonnes (44,092 lb) over a distance of several thousand kilometers.

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Ilyushin began studies into a next-generation twinjet tactical airlifter back in the mid-1990s. Initially referred to as the Il-214, the design changed designation to the Il-276 for PR reasons, so that it is percieved as a "half” of the larger Il-76MD-90A strategic four-jet airlifter being developed under Project 476. An exportable version designated as the Multirole Transport Aircraft (MTA) was in development from 2001 as a joint project between Russia and India. New Delhi closed it down in 2015. The following year, Ilyushin promised to complete development of the Il-214 on its own hoping to win a Russian MoD order for 100 such aircraft.

The project has suffered repeated delays. Recently the target dates for the completion of the initial design, maiden flight, and entry into service were postponed until 2019, 2023, and 2026, respectively. Until more recently, however, there had been little evidence of the defense ministry’s desire to award an SVTS contract to another developer. It may well be that the customer changed its mind following a number of failures Ilyushin has experienced in making meaningful progress on teething problems, with the early production examples of Il-76MD-90As and its special-mission derivatives. Additionally, the design house is overloaded with many other projects, including the Il-114-300 regional turboprop, Il-96-400M widebody airliner, and its twin-engine derivative.

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby Manish_P » 26 Sep 2019 11:48

:shock: This Russian submariner has b**ls larger than those of the walrus

Massive Walrus Naps on Submarine Hatch

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby Aditya_V » 26 Sep 2019 13:55

Manish_P wrote::shock: This Russian submariner has b**ls larger than those of the walrus

Massive Walrus Naps on Submarine Hatch


This Particular Pic has been Photoshopped, the Walrus and the Sub are correct but the Man has been photoshopped and the pictures date back to 2006.

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby Manish_P » 26 Sep 2019 14:04

Whew. Had seen videos of polar bear taking bite at a US sub and seals lazing around. But the Walrus was a first for me..

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby kit » 30 Sep 2019 14:01

https://www.janes.com/article/91563/russia-flies-mum-t-trial-with-okhotnik-uav-and-su-57-fighter

Russia has conducted a manned-unmanned teaming (MUM-T) test flight of its S-70 Okhotnik (Hunter) unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) and Sukhoi Su-57 combat aircraft.

The test flight, announced by the Ministry of Defence (MoD) of the Russian Federation on 27 September, took place out of an undisclosed Russian Aerospace Forces (VKS) facility and lasted about 30 minutes.

As noted by the MoD, the Okhotnik UAV served as a ‘sensor-amplifier’ for the Su-57, flying out ahead of the manned aircraft and using its onboard sensors to feed information back to the pilot.

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby Austin » 01 Oct 2019 14:13

Tass Reports Oniks-M a modernised version of Onyx will be tested in next 1-2 month

Range Increase to 800 km from 450 for Onyx
The missile is equipped with an advanced control system and will be able to hit both sea and ground targets with greater accuracy.
The missile’s protection against the effects of electronic warfare is also increased
The Mass Dimension and Speed with remain the same and new fuel is used to increase range

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6925991
https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6924455

Dr Pathak mentioned at MAKS 2019 that Brahmos range will be increased to 800 km in near future.

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby Manish_P » 16 Oct 2019 17:08

Praise from your enemy is usually well deserved

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby Philip » 30 Oct 2019 04:20

Russia is to begin construction of 2 more advanced Kilo 636 subs for its Pacific fleet.These subs are still so deadly now armed with Kalibir missiles and cost around $300+M only built in jut two years time too. While Amur/ Lada subs are also entering series production after years of development, the Kilos are still match-winners with their combination of stealth, and Klub and Kalibir variants , Kalibir's range being improved from 2000+ Km to 4500. The Kilos have been offered to the Phillippine navy too. An offer with B'Mos-NG under development, that can be fired from its tubes would make it an unbeatable prospect for the sub requirement for the PN, also given that hints of a B'Mos sale by India is on the cards.

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby Vips » 30 Oct 2019 04:36

For Kilos - the million $ question is will it be available to fight a war when required or continue to be a hangar queen :mrgreen:
Brahmos NG when developed could be fired from Torpedo tubes of other submarines too.

Amur/Lada - India is not going to fall for the same bait and finance its development. Let the Russians ask their new friend Turkey to lend some cash for developing another Lemon.

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby Philip » 31 Oct 2019 07:57

Both Amur/ Lada and Kilos are being built for the RuN and Kilos for export. Comparatively very cheap when compared with western equivalents and still causing migraines for western navies. A VLS plug apart from the std. 18 torpedoes/ mines/ missiles ,adds to the number of weapons carried.Some subs have external mine- carrying capabilities as well. We are in an excellent position to compare silencing and other parameters of the German U-boats- though not their latest, the French Scorpene and Ru Kilos plus the Akula SSGN. Our own Arihant SSBN is also available for comparison.An invaluable opportunity .

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby SNaik » 01 Nov 2019 14:49

Manish_P wrote:Praise from your enemy is usually well deserved

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You should read the comments as well :mrgreen:

https://twitter.com/jivturky/status/1184413036855156736

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby Manish_P » 01 Nov 2019 17:08

I had read them. As i have read comments (including his own ) on western platforms.

Design. Production. Maintenance. Tactics. Crew.

All links in the chain.. or more appropriately pearls in the necklace :)

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby Cain Marko » 19 Nov 2019 12:17

Dunno if this was posted before, but it blew my mind, totally :shock:

https://youtu.be/61eJ7hoZhKY

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby Philip » 22 Nov 2019 09:35

Phenomenal manoeuvre!

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby Kartik » 07 Dec 2019 03:45

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Russian Air and Space Force receives first Mi-38T

The Russian defense ministry has accepted its first Mi-38 helicopter, according to Russian Helicopters general director Andrei Boginsky. He clarified that the first Mi-38T in a customized military version hovered for the first time on November 3, 2018, and performed a level flight 20 days later, but that was a demonstrator that remains with the manufacturer. That example was displayed at the Army 2019 international military technical forum.



The military variant has a cabin arrangement that accommodates 20 armed soldiers instead of 30 passengers. It differs from the commercial variant by having military-grade avionics and additional aerodynamic surfaces on the rear fuselage to improve airflow in the vicinity of the ramp door. They are believed to be a distinct feature of the military version, despite the fact that one of the civil demonstrators that appeared at MAKS 2019 also had them fitted.

The future of the Mi-38 with the military remains uncertain. It is expected that the VKS may buy a relatively small quantity, primarily for VVIP transportation and search-and-rescue, but also for carrying cargo and personnel. The service may also commit to development of another version with the same propulsion system but carrying special equipment and air-launched weapons. Earlier, the top brass indicated that the VKS has been looking for a multirole rotorcraft platform as the basis for a number of specialized versions for series production that would be considerably superior in performance to the similarly sized Mi-8/17 series that currently forms the backbone of the VKS Army Aviation.

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby Cybaru » 07 Dec 2019 05:30

I am waiting for the HAL offering! It will be similar and better - all three services would benefit if the services don't continue to do import pasand.

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby Indranil » 07 Dec 2019 05:44

It will be difficult to better the Mi-38. Frankly, the Mi-17 family is the quintessential medium weight heli!!!! If we take up higher altitude performance, we will have to give up something.

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Postby Cybaru » 07 Dec 2019 06:55

I kinda disagree there, mi38 is currently using kilmov engines.

For HAL the engines will probably be either from
1. P&W PW127 common with C295W ( Would help if we can assemble/manufacture in India)
2. Safran Aneto line 2500 shp onwards for good hot & high performance.

That alone and being able to customize independently for Navy/Army will make it far more better.
Building your 4th and 5th offering will really make HAL into a world class heli company.
Offerings from 3 ton to 12 tons! That is a lot of choices.
Hopefully they can add a 9ton specialized naval only heli later.

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby Indranil » 07 Dec 2019 10:29

You are speaking from a strategic independence POV. I dont think anybody disagrees on HAL developing IMRH and NMRH.

I am speaking from a product POV. The Mi17 family is a rugged simple helicopter. That is why it is so common over the world. Not much can go wrong on that machine. I dont know how one makes a much better medium weight helo.

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby Cybaru » 07 Dec 2019 10:29

Ok, we are in agreement there. Instead of 200 Ka226T order another 80 Mi17 is a better buy. We will run them down in 10 years.

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Postby ArjunPandit » 10 Dec 2019 17:26

Not sure where else to put it

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American firms dominate global weapons sales
it's behind economist paywall

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby John » 10 Dec 2019 20:01

It’s shame Japan could have established a foothold in arm sales, they had all the pieces in late 90s but their policy and US influence prevented them from taking advantage of it.

In other hand Russia squandered tens of billions they got from their sales from China and India in Putin’s pet projects like Sochi rather than establish a thriving tech sector (they have large tech pool). In decade or so I wouldn’t be too suprised if Russia arms industry collapses already China has turned their back once they got all ip from Russia.

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby Manish_P » 12 Dec 2019 19:33

Russia's only aircraft carrier catches fire; 6 believed injured and 1 missing

Russia's only aircraft carrier, Admiral Kuznetsov, caught fire on Thursday morning during repair work in Russia's Arctic Sea port of Murmansk, according to Russian state news agencies.

Six people are thought to have been injured and one person is believed to be missing so far, Russian state news agency TASS reported.
The fire broke out during maintenance work in the first power unit and a thick plume of black smoke was seen from the upper deck.

The area currently ablaze covers 120 square meters (1,292 square feet). Diesel fuel is currently burning, and firefighters are using foam to try to bring it under control.

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby brar_w » 13 Dec 2019 06:25

Some reports are pointing to the fire having spread to an area 5 times larger than the 100 or so sq. meters that the initial blaze had spread to . Would be interesting to see if the Russians try to sell the vessel now after buffing out the damage.

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Postby Manish_P » 13 Dec 2019 08:25

A 'Fire' sale of their only AC? Looks unlikely. But who knows. They might start looking for a customer who is ready to take it for free, only paying for the repairs and upgrades of course..

Edit- is the fire confirmed? There were conflicting reports about the fire being an older incident.

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby brar_w » 13 Dec 2019 08:37

Manish_P wrote:A 'Fire' sale of their only AC? Looks unlikely. But who knows. They might start looking for a customer who is ready to take it for free, only paying for the repairs and upgrades of course..

Edit- is the fire confirmed? There were conflicting reports about the fire being an older incident.


Yes the fire is confirmed by official Russian media sources (TASS etc) and others around the world. There were some pictures doing the rounds of it with a lot of smoke but those were just stock images from its various deployments. There is actual video footage floating around as well, from this specific incident, and,unfortunately, there has been at least one death and several serious injuries with a number of people still missing. It was due to deploy in late 2021 but that was before a crane fell on it last year and now this incident. It is quite safe to assume that that will add at least a couple of years to that schedule..maybe more.

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Postby Philip » 14 Dec 2019 18:55

The fire appears to be a serious one.Which compartments were affected will determine how long the repair work will take. At least a year's further delay.The poor Kuz. appears jinxed with the dry dock problem, etc. The Russians wouldn't sell it as they need its capability.Even if a sale was approved, who would buy it, at what cost and equipped with what aviation package? Certainly not India! Just as Putin is doing with the RuN the priority for the IN should be on the sub fleet, especially our N- subs.SSBNs and SSGN/SSNs. They are the most survivable naval platforms of all.One SSGN armed with an assorted package of 40+ weapons,supersonic and future hypersonic Tsirkon missilestoo, costing around $2.5/3 B; would be able to see off a CV costing anywhere from $ 10-15B.
Chinese carriers and CBGs transiting the IOR would have to face a lethal combo of IN and IAF air assets equipped with at the moment BMos ASMs in addition to those aboard our surface vessels.If Backfire/ Blackjacks are acquired, the IN's attack capability would be far more lethal, able to conduct attacks in the ICS itself before and CBG entered the IOR.

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby Vips » 14 Dec 2019 21:10

brar_w wrote:Some reports are pointing to the fire having spread to an area 5 times larger than the 100 or so sq. meters that the initial blaze had spread to . Would be interesting to see if the Russians try to sell the vessel now after buffing out the damage.


If they find the floating fire pit not upto a certain standard they will certainly try to push this to other countries like Turkey, Indonesia or even India by tying it to other hardware sales or as a package.

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby brar_w » 14 Dec 2019 21:33

Turkey doesn't have a carrier aircraft for their LHA, now that they have been kicked out of the F-35 program, and it is quite likely that it will serve as a helicopter carrier, at least through half or so of its in-service life. Who knows, perhaps they are offered a carrier (as long as they are willing to pay for an air-wing) to sweeten the deal if the Su-35 negotiations continue to proceed. Unlikely but not impossible IMHO.

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby John » 14 Dec 2019 23:25

Vips wrote:
brar_w wrote:Some reports are pointing to the fire having spread to an area 5 times larger than the 100 or so sq. meters that the initial blaze had spread to . Would be interesting to see if the Russians try to sell the vessel now after buffing out the damage.


If they find the floating fire pit not upto a certain standard they will certainly try to push this to other countries like Turkey, Indonesia or even India by tying it to other hardware sales or as a package.

Waiting for our Russian arms spokesman to tell us how Kuznetsov can carry 160 Brahmos and 10k km Uber Russian cruise missiles so it will be great bang for the buck :rotfl:

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Postby Philip » 24 Dec 2019 05:48

Just check out the recent fires aboard USN warships too.Fires are commonplace aboard ships especially when in refit.

Now in 2020, the RuN will commission 6 new subs.4 nuclear and 2 conventional.
The Belgorod, 1 Borei and 2 improved Yasen-Ms. In addition one Kilo 636.3 and the first series production of the Amur/ Lada class ( apart from 2 in service), will be added to the fleet.
This is the largest delivery of subs to the RuN since 1992 and is a remarkable effort by Sevmash, etc.

The Belgorod is unique in being the world's longest sub.She is a modified Oscar-2 class sub with a100ft. section added making her even larger than the legendary Typhoons.She carries the so-called " doomsday weapon", no equal to it in any other navy, the Status-6 or Kanyon nuclear powered nuclear tipped torpedo/UUV, that has a range of 10000km according to some sources thanks to its N-reactor, carry a 100 megaton warhead, can dive to 1000ft. and has a top speed of 100kts., almost impossible to destroy. meant to wipe enemy ports off the map.

In addition, 2020 will in all probability see the first installation of Tsirkon hypersonic missiles aboard RuN surface combatants,especially the Kirov class BCG. The head of the RuN has said that Tsirkon and Kalibir missiles will be fitted to as many warships and subs possible.Sov. era Oscar and Typhoon class nuclear subs will be refitted with both missiles.

Russia is building both latest Kilo variants at speed as well as Amur/ Ladas which reportedly have improved performance over the first 2 boats in service. The aim appears to have as many conventional boats in service armed with Kalibir missiles which ( Kilos) performed v.well in the Meditt. in the Syrian conflict. The Kilo is double-hulled while the Lada is single-hulled. The latter's performance will be closely watched.

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby ArjunPandit » 24 Dec 2019 21:46

Su 57 pakfa crashes..
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/31620/su-57-felon-advanced-fighter-crashes-in-russia

roughly 68 miles from the Komsomolsk-on-Amur aircraft plant in Russia's Far East


TASS reports that a flight control system failure caused the crash, with one source stating it had to do with the aircraft's tail control surfaces. Interfax reports the aircraft was the first production Su-57 ever and it was supposed to be delivered to the Russian Air Force by year's end

Multiple outlets are also now reporting that aircraft was indeed the first serial production example.


State-run media outlet RIA Novosti has reported that the mishap occurred during an engine test, but it remains unclear if engine trouble was the actual cause of the accident. Some Russian media reports have pointed to a potential failure in the Su-57's engine control system, but TASS continues to report that its sources say the issue was in the flight control system


meanwhile daily mail reporting
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7824243/Russias-secret-120m-Su-57-stealth-fighter-crashes-just-days-enter-service.html
The Su-57 is also similar to the Chinese J-20 jet, which is alleged to have been built using stolen US plans obtained by Chinese hackers.

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Postby Philip » 25 Dec 2019 00:23

Interesting that details of the problem experienced have come out so quickly.A definite setback to the induction of the jets into RuAF service.The control surface problem may be the actual reason as the twin-engined jet could've flown back on one engine.

Nevertheless, all new aircraft even in western countries have had their share of problems and crashes, making it ( fingers crossed) remarkable that our LCA programme despite the environment heavily prone to bird strikes has escaped thus far.

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby chola » 25 Dec 2019 10:43

Philip wrote:Interesting that details of the problem experienced have come out so quickly.A definite setback to the induction of the jets into RuAF service.The control surface problem may be the actual reason as the twin-engined jet could've flown back on one engine.

Nevertheless, all new aircraft even in western countries have had their share of problems and crashes, making it ( fingers crossed) remarkable that our LCA programme despite the environment heavily prone to bird strikes has escaped thus far.


On general I have rather poor regards for russkie stuff but I would be a hypocrite (and an unfair one to Filipov!) if I jumped on this to bash the SU-57.

The LCA's record had been exemplary but crashes in advance fighter programs to be honest is rather routine.

Off the top of my head, I can think of the F-14 prototype that crashed. A F-15 LSP crashed a shortly before the type's induction. A YF-16 crashed. The F-22 program had a YF-22 prototype crash as well as a fatal crash of a systems integration testbed. The record is even more deadly for the chini J-10 and J-15 programs with multiple crashes each.

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Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

Postby John » 25 Dec 2019 10:52

^ If it is truly revolutionary product or being quickly moved to production this could have been written off. But Russia’s approach to Su-57 is highly conservative and given lack of funds and orders, a crash would severely delay the project.

I would doubt any foreign nation would throw money at it given this incident till its inducted in large nos by Russian AF and Putin has blown most of money in pet projects leaving very little money for acquisitions.


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