sudeepj wrote:Apologies for the harsh tone, but the discussion was to figure out the kind of retaliation possible. Instead we have members going into flights of fancy lobbing imaginary bombs from imaginary planes and shooting down imaginary counter attacks by yet more imaginary S-400s that we will procure spending, you guessed it, imaginary dollars. The only thing left is to make pew-pew sounds as we go about it.
Fact is, the kind of superiority that will make conventional attacks deep inside Pak feasible, i.e. we can either deter or shoot down any counter attack, will require a budget that is perhaps twice what we have right now. It'll also take years if not decades to materialize because these complex weapon systems take that much time to operationalize. In the current global economic environment, even a whiff of war or quasi war will scare away investors. When people invest billions, they expect that their investments will not go up in smoke.. They will support a war, but only one in which they can be sure their investments stay safe! Same can be said about domestic capitalists.
Few jingos going pew-pew on a forum do not a war make.
I dont even know where to begin when faced with such a defeatist attitude.
Everybody thought war was expensive because it has been drummed into people's head via watching television and reading about the way the US fights wars. How come the Russian's are fighting an expeditionary war which is costing them less than $5-10 million per day according to estimates? And making a difference in that war in Syria?
Just because the babus in the MOD take 15 years to finalize an MRCA and another 5 years to induct it, does not mean that is how it should be done. If India is serious about fighting terrorism, then something different has to be tried. All that paper and pen pushing endless files down rows of babus has to stop.
If the US can induct Patriot batteries into Turkey and the Middle East at will and if the Russians can induct S400 batteries into Syria within 24 hours, are you saying that India cannot induct a basic defence in 3 months? Yes, crew training will not be complete and no it will not be perfect, but it will be a defence so that when the next terror attack happens, as it will, India will have something to respond with and protect itself with. And the Russians are asking $500 million per system, so 12 of them will be $6 billion and if you pay them something extra I am sure that you can negotiate for a quick delivery. If the Rafale can be bought for $8-9 billion and won't be seen in IAF colors till 2018/9 and then a measly 36 of them, why not spend money smartly? Money that will allow India to fight the wars that it faces, the terror attacks which are relentless and to be able to respond.
As far as investors are concerned, they will always stay if your defences are good enough . Are investors fleeing Seoul even though it is within artillery range of North Korea and the sabre rattling that goes on there all the time? No, investors will flee when they see that you cannot even defend yourself nor the will to defend yourself, so how will you defend their investment? That is the problem in India today. It needs a robust impenetrable defence. Something like the S400 will protect India's assets from air/missile attacks should India decide to retaliate. As far as domestic investors are concerned, they already invest whereever the grass is greener. And foreign investment in India is a FII game.
Money on defence in India needs to be spent smarter on needs that will make a difference to respond to current threats.
Of course one can support your argument and do nothing. After all India has 1.3 billion people and growing. Does it really matter if a few hundred or even a few thousand die every year due to terror attacks? Maybe the supply of humans is so overwhelming that a few thousand dying is OK to protect the welfare of the remaining billion +. And then one can simply roll over and
every time there is a terror attack.