India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby Austin » 26 Sep 2016 23:29

US not convinced by India’s Uri terror attack evidence against Pakistan’
The reported developments were shared in an article published by The Express Tribune today. The article reads, "As Pakistan and India once again locked horns for a possible military conflict in the wake of the September 18 Uri attack, the US is believed to have been quietly pushing New Delhi to take the military option off the table.

The article mentions that the US was urging India to resolve the issue diplomatically and politically, warning that any military conflict would not serve either side. It also read that Pakistan has conveyed to the US that it does not wish to escalate tensions, but will hit back at "military adventurism" from India.

The article further claimed, "One Pakistani official privy to America's backchannel efforts revealed that Washington was not convinced with the Indian claim that Islamabad had a direct role in the Uri assault that left 18 Indian soldiers dead."

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby Prem Kumar » 26 Sep 2016 23:30

All this talk of multi-pronged approach against Pakistan reeks of "Babu talk". Babus will be drooling over the options that all these newfound chips open up. A lot of analysis & counter-analysis can be done, creating lots of smoke/noise without actually having to do anything - right up the civil service alley!

All Pakistan has to do is make a token arrest & we won't even talk Balochistan or IWT anymore.

This is like the "100 scientists against Einstein" attack by Nazis. To which his response was "If I were wrong, one would be enough"

If India means business, do the one thing that needs to be done first. Once that is done, then the rest of the options (IWT, Balochistan, UNGA etc) will carry credibility. OTOH, if you cannot militarily react, then its "all fart & no poop"

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby darshhan » 26 Sep 2016 23:38

Another article by one of the Hijdas(eunuchs) in the payroll of ISI

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby pankajs » 26 Sep 2016 23:54

The guy has lost his marbles. Within the first few para he takes opposing positions and I stopped reading at that point.

May not be ISI/Pak pasand but one of the many that espouse p1ss at any cost.
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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby Atmavik » 26 Sep 2016 23:55

darshhan wrote:Another article by one of the Hijdas(eunuchs) in the payroll of ISI

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the article headline is a click bait. i dont want to click on the link and drive traffic to such nonsense. i guess this is by Karan Thappad??

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby Rahul M » 26 Sep 2016 23:57

darshhan wrote:Another article by one of the Hijdas(eunuchs) in the payroll of ISI

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is it really that difficult to name the author so that BRFites are not forced to direct hits to a patently anti Indian web outlet ?

ha ! Atmavik beat me to it.

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby Kakarat » 27 Sep 2016 00:06

ashthor wrote:We should reclaim Haji Pir pass.


I agree with this and also Baltistan but after the international meetings planned in October

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby NRao » 27 Sep 2016 00:14

Austin wrote:US not convinced by India’s Uri terror attack evidence against Pakistan’
The reported developments were shared in an article published by The Express Tribune today. The article reads, "As Pakistan and India once again locked horns for a possible military conflict in the wake of the September 18 Uri attack, the US is believed to have been quietly pushing New Delhi to take the military option off the table.

The article mentions that the US was urging India to resolve the issue diplomatically and politically, warning that any military conflict would not serve either side. It also read that Pakistan has conveyed to the US that it does not wish to escalate tensions, but will hit back at "military adventurism" from India.

The article further claimed, "One Pakistani official privy to America's backchannel efforts revealed that Washington was not convinced with the Indian claim that Islamabad had a direct role in the Uri assault that left 18 Indian soldiers dead."


Must be the same paki who claimed Chinese support only to have China deny it.

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby Rudradev » 27 Sep 2016 00:20

TOIlet zindabad.

They publish an article with a title: "US not convinced by India’s Uri terror attack evidence against Pakistan"

This turns out to be a statement FROM an unnamed Pakistani official who CLAIMS to be privy to America's "backchannel efforts" AS QUOTED in an article PUBLISHED in a Pakistani newspaper (Express Tribune).

And TOIlet leads the article with this statement as a headline.

What journalism baba.


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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby pankajs » 27 Sep 2016 00:23

To Add > Wrong claims regarding kashmir support was made wrt many of countries that all were proven to be wrong. Nawaz really wanted to impress upon the mango apduls what a great job he had done.


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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby Amoghvarsha » 27 Sep 2016 01:43

NRao wrote:


Must be the same paki who claimed Chinese support only to have China deny it.


Pakis claims denied by China twice.

Wonder what about the John McCain claim.

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby Amoghvarsha » 27 Sep 2016 02:34

I read somewhere that Pakis shifted out some jihadi camps from POK.Response to our attack?

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby Kakkaji » 27 Sep 2016 03:05

India mulls ‘economic war’ on Pakistan

NEW DELHI, SEPTEMBER 26:
India is deploying its ‘big guns’ in preparation for an “economic war” on Pakistan as a calibrated response to the recent terrorist attack on the Uri military camp.

This “war minus the shooting” could take the form of a withdrawal of the concessions given to Pakistan under the South Asian Free Trade Area (SAPTA) agreement and a review of the Indus Water Treaty (IWT) between the two countries.

India is also mulling the option of dragging Pakistan to the Dispute Settlement Body of the World Trade Organisation (WTO) for not extending trade benefits under the ‘most favoured nation’ (MFN) status.

Economic, not military, war

According to sources, while India may not be keen on a military war against Pakistan in retaliation for the September 18 attack, the consensus within the government is to wage an “economic war” instead.

Two-way trade between India and Pakistan stood at $2.61 billion in 2015-16, up 11 per cent from $2.35 billion in 2014-15. While this is small relative to the economies of both the countries, India reckons it is well placed to turn the heat on Pakistan.

The action contemplated on the SAFTA front is illustrative. According to Prof Biswajit Dhar of Jawaharlal Nehru University (JNU), any action within SAFTA — which has Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Bhutan, India, Maldives, Nepal, Pakistan and Sri Lanka as member-states — has to be consensus-based. However, he said, no country will oppose India’s move considering their recent statements. The government has also come under pressure from the cement industry to immediately stop duty-free import of cement from Pakistan.

Similarly, there has been a clamour for India to withdraw the MFN status it had given Pakistan in 1996. However, highly placed sources told BusinessLine that India is planning an “alternative and more feasible” option that will have an adverse impact on Pakistan’s economy: challenge Pakistan before the WTO.

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby Philip » 27 Sep 2016 03:32

All options should be exercised though in diff. doses.Diplomatic,economic,and military options.

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby ramana » 27 Sep 2016 05:03

Now that the tempers have clamed down, any move to look at #Uri camp readiness and alert state and the Command posture all the way to the Army Chief?
Lt. Gen (Retd.) Hasnian has written in Swarajya magazine detailing some issues that need to be remedied.

Please post here.
I don't have my phone with me.

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby Kashi » 27 Sep 2016 06:08

Atmavik wrote:the article headline is a click bait. i dont want to click on the link and drive traffic to such nonsense. i guess this is by Karan Thappad??


Prem Shankar Jha. Not that it makes any difference. It's almost as if it's a bot publishing under different names.

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby ramana » 27 Sep 2016 06:19

PS Jha article is very confused. he firsts starts saying India shouldn't retaliate. And then says India should retaliate and again says its bad if they retaliate.
And this guy was a big shot on Track II circuit.

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby kedariprasad » 27 Sep 2016 07:25

Declare Pakistan a terrorist state: Online petition to White House. 109,920 signed by 27.09.2016 07.23 IST
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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby krishna_krishna » 27 Sep 2016 07:27

No more dossa's atleast not on BR.

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby Kashi » 27 Sep 2016 07:36

ramana wrote:PS Jha article is very confused. he firsts starts saying India shouldn't retaliate. And then says India should retaliate and again says its bad if they retaliate.
And this guy was a big shot on Track II circuit.


Probably that's the reason why. I think you'll find that Track Thoo was made up entirely of people whose opinions and actions were all for India giving unilateral concessions to Pakis "to buy peace".

Over the years, such people have been carefully cultivated, nurtured, and integrated all over the system- from academia to industry to media and even the armed forces.

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby svinayak » 27 Sep 2016 10:41

Why Pakistan’s Deep State Chose Uri And How We Should Respond

Syed Ata Hasnain
Lt. Gen Syed Ata Hasnain (Retd) is the former Corps Commander of the Srinagar based 15 Corps, and is currently associated with Vivekanand International Foundation and the Delhi Policy Group, two major strategic think tanks of Delhi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syed_Ata_Hasnain

Lieutenant General (Retd) Syed Ata Hasnain, who once commanded the Uri brigade, explains why Pakistan chose to up the ante along the LoC belt and what needs to be done in response— militarily and diplomatically.

There is public furor over the failure of the Army to prevent an attack on its forward Brigade HQ garrison at Uri shortly after a similar attempt was foiled at Poonch, very close to another high profile formation HQ. There are demands for immediate retribution against Pakistan which has sponsored this attack. This is justifiable for such heavy losses of life— 17 soldiers were killed, mostly by secondary effect of the fire which engulfed tents and shelters. The detail of the operation is irrelevant. Finding the reason why Pakistan chose to up the ante along the LoC belt and what needs to be done in response is important. Intelligence inputs or none, it doesn’t require rocket science to deduce that it is the LoC belt and the installations there that which would be struck by the planners of the Deep State.

The reasons are hardly far to ascertain. For the last 18 months or so, there had been repeated unsuccessful attempts at Tangdhar because it is far easier to infiltrate a determined group of terrorists 10-odd kilometers and strike at the softer elements in the depth of the LoC which itself is manned by frontline troops.



http://www.hindustantimes.com/analysis/ ... hFXoJ.html

http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.co ... t-through/

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby Philip » 27 Sep 2016 12:44

Eco sanctions,etc. will not be enough to draw global attention.There must be diplomatic action too,like expelling the envoy,suspending cultural,sporting,intervisitation ties,etc. The US/EU have done this to Russia over the UKR crisisso cannot admonish us when we do the same to the Pariah State of Pak.

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby rkhanna » 27 Sep 2016 13:58

Eco sanctions,etc. will not be enough to draw global attention


ofcourse they will if we have the testicular fortitude to do it right.

Step 1. Declare Pakistan Government and Pak Security Establishment as Terrorist Entities in a bill in Parliament ratified by Supreme Court, etc etc

Step 2. Any MNC company that does Business in Pakistan AND India should be given 3 Months to wind down operations in Pakistan if they want to have a continued presence in India. Compensation can be discussed in terms of Tax Breaks in India or we can simply tell these MNC to lobby their Governments to stop dealing with Pakistan and ask them for Compensation as they are the ones who have turned a blind eye for so long. Any Company who fails to comply. Nationalize and Auction their India assets.
- Caveate: Companies providing essential services and goods to the Pak People can be on a "blue" list and allowed to continue business in Pakistan. But McD, Burger King, Coke, Toyota, Susuki - force them to leave.

Step 3. Any Military Contractor continuing to do business in Pakistan (even spare parts, training, etc) is blacklisted in India.

Step 4. Any Country that openly backs their Industry's business in Pakistan - scale down their Diplomatic missions in India. The Smaller Countries can simply become Persona Non Grata if needed.

Step 5. Deal with Economic Blowback from China: This Government has already passed an unofficial dictate excluding the Chinese from most Infrastructure work in India.


Go it alone, Disregard Global Opinion and weather the birthing process. India's economy is too large to Ignore for ANYONE. With China slowing, The Delta in opportunity between India and China is narrowing. India is probably the ONLY Medium term / long term alternative for tangible macro growth for Global companies.


As George Bush one said. You are with us or Against. Us. Poke the Hornets nests. If it does not work and we end up with egg on our face. Atlease we will stop living a Delusion, suck it up and get on with our lives.

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby shiv » 27 Sep 2016 14:29

What if, to escape international censure. Pakis set off bombs in their cities and then pre-emptively attack India, blaming India for the attacks

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby Aditya_V » 27 Sep 2016 14:42

shiv wrote:What if, to escape international censure. Pakis set off bombs in their cities and then pre-emptively attack India, blaming India for the attacks


That would never do for the Paki Army, It will mean loss of face in front of their Public. Unless, they are planning to declare war immediately after such an incident. The fact that they are able to scare India in 2002, 2008 and now 2016 are great victories for the Paki Army to present to their Pakjabi public.

For them they must be able to provoke India and India is not able to respond and be scared of them. So they will never pubilically accept any casualties in Kargil, Operation Parakram etc.

H&D loss to India could N number of coupe attempts.

Thats why PAF claims superiority and hides air losses in 65 and 71- it is only their army which lost- as peer PAF they won the 65 and 71 air war.

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby SaiK » 27 Sep 2016 18:00

pl note who is the author before you post your response
IAF airbases along western front on high alert, hold major air defence exercise
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 531556.cms

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby SaiK » 27 Sep 2016 18:07

How the Russkies wants to view this tussle via their paid mouth:
http://in.rbth.com/blogs/stranger_than_ ... ar_6333613

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby Philip » 27 Sep 2016 18:16

http://www.defencenews.in/article/Russi ... k_in_a_WAR
Russian Weapons in India's possession that could destroy Pak in a WAR
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The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting, wrote Sun Tzu. Social media is abuzz with calls for retaliatory strikes on Pakistan after the Uri terrorist attack which left 18 Indian Army soldiers dead, but the wiser policy would be to wait for the neighbouring country’s generals to press the self-destruct button. Pakistan is an artificially cobbled up country beset with insurmountable differences among its various ethnic groups. This makes it highly likely that the world’s top terror exporter will soon come apart at the hinges. India should use subterfuge to speed up Islamabad’s disintegration, and watch the drama from front row centre.

However, if more copycat attacks such as Uri take place, there will be increasing pressure from the public to act against Pakistan. In such a scenario, India could begin with surgical strikes against terrorist training centres. If Pakistan hits back with its air force or cruise missiles, it would probably lead to an outright declaration of war.

If war comes, these are the 10 weapons of Russian origin that will perform a critical role in the outcome of the conflict.


INS Vikramaditya

The 44,000 ton aircraft carrier will be the lynchpin of the Indian Navy’s war strategy. A carrier battle group (CBG) is one of the most heavily armed and feared forces at sea. The news of INS Vikramaditya and its sister warships steaming towards Pakistan could demoralise the enemy and force a quick capitulation.

With a complement of 36 aircraft, including 26 MiG-29K multirole fighters and 10 Kamov early warning as well as antisubmarine helicopters, the carrier can establish a cordon sanitaire in the Arabian Sea, denying Pakistan sea access. Foreign merchant vessels will also avoid entering the quarantine zone, preventing much needed supplies of food, fuel and ammunition from reaching the enemy. The powerful MiG-29K can not only defend the CBG from enemy warplanes and ships, but also strike at Pakistani shore-based targets such as Karachi and Gwadar.

INS Vikramaditya has a range of 25,000 km at 18 knots and endurance of 45 days. The floating city has 110 officers and 1500 sailors on board.


Sukhoi Su-30 warplanes

The Su-30MKI – codenamed Flanker by NATO – is the Indian Air Force’s air dominance fighter. Like aerial storm troopers they can be relied upon to kick the door in for the rest of the armed forces to pour into Pakistan. It’s difficult to visualise how Pakistan Air Force (PAF) F-16s would withstand the Flanker’s firepower. It is lose-lose for Pakistan, which will be forced to defend its airspace by sending up F-16s and the Chinese-Pakistani JF-17s. Most of them won’t survive the Flanker barrage.

In the 1971 War, the last conflict in which the two air forces clashed, the PAF was blown out of the subcontinent’s skies within a week. Most PAF aircraft stayed well within Pakistani airspace for the latter half of the war and simply refused to engage IAF fighters.

In 1971, IAF aircraft lacked the range to pursue Pakistani Sabres and Starfighters that sought safe sanctuary close to the Iranian border. However, the Sukhoi’s 3000 km extended range will allow Indian pilots to sustain dogfights and chase the Pakistanis till they are shot down.

Once the PAF is neutralised, waves of Flankers can be launched against Pakistani military and nuclear installations. Su-30s armed with the BrahMos can knock out Pakistani troop and armour concentrations, air bases and naval targets. In the last war, it was the IAF that set first fire to Karachi harbour before the Indian Navy’s missile boats pulverised the remaining fuel storage tanks.

The Flanker is a heavy fighter-bomber which has 12 hard points for a vast complement of missiles, rockets and smart bombs. It can carry a maximum payload of 8000 kg although in a real life battle scenario, payload is compromised to enhance range and to gain the edge in dogfights.

The aircraft’s super-manoeuverability gives it a huge advantage against its western opponents. In multiple wargames, the Flanker family of aircraft has beaten western aircraft such as the F-15, F-35 and Eurofighter – like clubbing baby seals, to use the unfortunate comparison made by a western military officer who observed the simulation.

India has between 250 and 272 Flankers, with the number likely to cross the 300 mark in order to make up for retiring MiG-21 and MiG-27 aircraft.


Il-78 aerial refuelling tankers

The Ilyushin Il-78 is the aerial refuelling tanker version of the large Il-76 transport aircraft. The Il-78 is a force multiplier as it allows multirole aircraft such the Su-30 to perform to their full capability. The aircraft has two removable 18,230-litre fuel tanks installed in the freight hold, allowing up to three aircraft to refuel in flight simultaneously.

Warplanes that can loiter for extended periods will, in theory, be able to conduct a range of missions. Because jet fighters are fuel guzzlers, their loiter time can be as short as 45 minutes for a MiG-21 to nearly three hours for the Su-30. With aerial refuelling, this can be enhanced. Indian pilots are known to conduct 10-hour missions, with the pilots taking turns to fly the aircraft.

An example of how refuelling capability can be a force multiplier is Flankers taking off from Thanjavur (the southernmost Sukhoi base), flying in fast and low – which consumes a huge quantity of fuel – over the Arabian Sea and surprising the Pakistanis from the rear.

Refuelling would also allow the IAF to attack Pakistan from the direction of Afghanistan. Indian aircraft can avoid landing in Afghanistan because that would give the Islamists and Taliban a handle for propaganda against the India-friendly administration and Afghan elites. The Pakistani defence forces would be completely mortified if India is able to achieve this geopolitical coup.


BrahMos missiles ::

Strictly speaking, BrahMos, which is produced in India by BrahMos Corp, is an Indian missile. However, it is a Russian design that was mothballed after the Cold War ended. The missile is one of the few crown jewels of the Soviet empire which India managed to get its hands on. Russian and Indian engineers jointly work in this successful project which is owned by India and Russia in the ratio of 50.5:49.5.

BrahMos could be the first weapon to be fired from India’s side, initially in precision strikes against the many terrorist camps in places such as Muridke in Pakistani Punjab. If the scope of the conflict expands, these missiles can be used against Pakistani command, control and communication centres, and if launched in sufficient numbers India can despatch Pakistan into the stone age of communications within the opening hours of the conflict. If launched from bases in Rajasthan or Indian Punjab, the supersonic missiles will reach their targets in minutes, giving the Pakistanis not even time to say their prayers.

The BrahMos, therefore, is a first-strike weapon that could obliterate Pakistan’s defences as well as its offensive capabilities quickly, surgically and effectively.


Klub missiles ::

What gives a modern warship teeth are its missiles. Indian Navy ships and submarines are now equipped with the powerful Klub. This partly supersonic missile is the export version of the 2500 km Kalibr which the Russian Navy has used with devastating effect against the Islamic State as well as US-backed terror groups in Syria. Although the Klub version’s range is limited by the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) to below 300 km, it is more than enough to strike at coastal targets from well within international waters.

The interesting fact about the Klub’s flight is that for the majority of its trajectory it travels at a high subsonic speed. Initially the missile flies at an altitude of 30-45 feet above the sea surface. Approximately 60 km away from the designated target, the Klub descends to 15 ft and accelerates to supersonic speed before smashing into the target. Because of their immense kinetic energy, Russian missiles of this class have cut warships into half during testing. It also makes them almost invulnerable to defensive counter measures.

The Klub is also capable of performing very high angled defensive and speedy manoeuvres. This is unlike the linear – and predictable – flight path of other anti-ship cruise missiles. The Klubs are expected to cause mayhem in Pakistani waters and on shored based targets in the opening hours of a conflict.


Russian Submarines ::

During the 1999 Kargil War, unknown to the Pakistanis, a Russian built submarine of the Indian Navy was lurking close to Karachi. How close? Well, it had Karachi harbour within the range of its torpedoes. Had the conflict widened outside Kashmir, the submarine would have unleashed a volley of torpedoes against Pakistani naval installations. India has around a dozen of these silent submarines, which can make life extremely difficult for Pakistani naval and commercial shipping.

Another deadly weapon in the Indian Navy is the nuclear powered submarine INS Chakra. Able to remain underwater for months – unlike conventional submarines that have to surface daily – INS Chakra is armed with 36 torpedoes and Klub anti-ship missiles. Although the n-submarine is intended to be a platform for familiarising Indian sailors with the operations and tactics of a nuclear powered and – more importantly, nuclear armed – submarine, INS Chakra will certainly be at the forefront, spooking the Pakistan Navy during war.


Multi-barrel rocket launchers ::

The multi-barrel rocket launcher (MBRL) is a signature Russian weapon which proved its worth during World War II when it rained the earthly equivalent of hellfire on German Army columns and hardened urban defences.

India has been one of the early adopters of the system, including the BM21 Grad and Smerch. The legendary Grad – used by dozens of modern armies worldwide – is a 40-barrel system that can fire its entire volley of 9-ft long missiles in 20 seconds to a distance of 20 to 40 km.

MBRLs have low precision compared with artillery but they rely on a large number of shells dissipating over an area for a certain hit rate on specific targets. Plus, because of the short warning time for the impact of the whole volley, the BM-21 is considered an effective weapon.

India has more than 150 Grad and 62 Smerch systems. Inspired by the Russian BMRL, India now produces the Pinaka system with a reported high rate of production of 5000 rockets per year. Together, the deadly threesome will carpet bomb the living daylights out of the Pakistani Army.


Stealth Frigates ::

In his book, ‘The Sea Power of the State’, Admiral Sergei Gorshkov, who transformed the Russian Navy into a global force, wrote: “Naval warfare aimed directly against land targets will play an ever greater part in any future major conflict.”

In the 1971 War, India’s Russian built missile boats had set fire to Karachi on the second day of the 14-day war. Continuing in the wake of those boats, India ordered – and later locally built – the Krivak III or Talwar stealth frigates.

Frigates are small when compared with top of the line destroyers, but as the Russian Navy proved in its ongoing war against the Islamic State, small ships armed with long-range missiles can deliver a knockout blow early on in a conflict.

The Talwars have a displacement of just 4000 tons, but with a speed of 32 knots they are among the fastest vessels in the ocean. They are capable of accomplishing a wide scale of missions in the ocean, primarily, finding and eliminating submarines and large surface ships.

Opinions differ as to Talwar’s stealth capabilities. According to Global Security, these missile frigates represent the cutting edge of technology in stealth, reach and punch. “They have ushered in highly automated integrated weapon platforms that are essential for blue water operations by the Indian Navy. Commissioning of these new frigates not only enhances India's defensive potential at sea but also dramatically affects the power equations in Asia.”

Some Talwars carry 14 vertically-launched Klub missiles while the newer vessels are equipped with the much larger and supersonic BrahMos anti-ship missiles. Raiding Pakistani coastal targets will be a lot easier with their stealth profile.


T-90 tanks ::

Like a rampaging rhino the T-90 main battle tank is expected to steamroll Pakistani defences with its 125 mm main gun. Able to literally leap across ditches, the Russian built “Flying Tank” will be the spearhead of the Indian Army’s armoured spearheads that will slice into Pakistan as part of the Cold Start. This strategy calls for rapid and shallow thrusts into enemy territory aimed not at destroying Pakistan’s existence but at capturing “bite-sized” territory – up to 80 km deep – that can be used as bargaining chips after the war.

The T-90 is suited to lightning war for its many qualities. First up, like rhino skin, the tank is equipped with third-generation active armour capable of withstanding an attack by tank rounds designed for the latest US and European tanks. In fact, the T-90 has become a celebrity of the blogosphere after it survived a direct hit by an American made TOW anti-tank missile in Syria earlier this year.

Unlike the hand-loaded Abrams, the T-90 uses an auto loading system for its main gun. Russian tankers have been heard saying the Abrams is a bolt action while the Russian T-90 is a semiautomatic. Also, it has a superior fire control system that allows it to fire with accuracy while on the move. The Indian Army has 1500 of these lean and mean killers, and more are being locally produced under licence.


Infantry support weapons ::

Infantry support systems are the unsung heroes of the battlefield. Mostly on the low tech side, they nevertheless play a critical role in the thick of the fighting by providing the on-the-move – and vulnerable – infantry with effective cover.

The Indian Army operates around 100 units of the ZSU-23-4 Shilka self-propelled, radar guided anti-aircraft infantry support weapon. It dates back to the 1950s, but the Shilka’s arrival ensured NATO aircraft would never be used at low level in the battlefield.

The weapon is still in production more than 60 years after it was developed, proving that simplicity is a desirable trait in any weapon system. The 23-mm four-barrelled system is an extremely effective weapon against enemy attack aircraft and helicopters under every weather and light condition. It has a very high density, rate and accuracy of fire, as well as the capability for each of the four auto-cannons to fire its own type of projectile from separate belts.

Being a short-range anti-aircraft weapon, the ZSU-23-4 is not meant to be used against modern jet aircraft but as an infantry support system it remains unmatched. It is deadly for enemy light armoured vehicles. With its high rate of accurate fire, the system can neutralise tanks by destroying their gun sights, radio antennas or other vulnerable parts.

The other battlefield support system is the Tunguska, which was designed to perform roles the Shilka couldn’t. Unlike the gun-only Shilka, the Tunguska is a combined gun and missile system designed to provide day and night protection for infantry and tank regiments against low-flying aircraft, helicopters and cruise missiles in all weather conditions. Plus, its 30 mm shells have greater penetrative power.

India ordered 24 units of the Tunguska in 2005 and may have up to 184 in its armoury today.

Endgame ::

There will certainly be naive people – leftists and seculars – who will argue that India cannot fight a war against a nuclear armed rival. Before addressing that, here’s something you should do: stop seeing Pakistan as a rival. An enemy seven times smaller in economic terms is not a rival but an annoying detractor.

And as for war between nuclear armed rivals, it has already taken place – in 1999, in Kargil. In fact, the most telling statement on the war was made by India’s then Defence Minister George Fernandes. In January 2000 he observed that in precipitating the Kargil War, Pakistan “had not absorbed the real meaning of nuclearisation – that it can deter only the use of nuclear weapons, but not all and any war”

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby ks_sachin » 27 Sep 2016 18:27

Philip
Please desist from posting these annoying articles. They add nothing apart from a constipation of thought and a diarrhoea of words!!!

Thanks

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Postby jagga » 27 Sep 2016 19:17

Indus Waters Treaty: Modi's offensive can wreak unspeakable havoc for Pakistan
Don't be fooled by the official line that India took on Monday that it would stand by the infamous Indus Waters Treaty. If you read between lines, the very announcement that India would ignore Pakistan’s objections to three hydro-electric projects on Indus tributaries and go ahead with them in itself constitutes nothing short of a major water offensive by India.
If the government’s talk on Monday wasn’t just empty rhetoric—there is no reason at least yet to believe it is—it will take about two years to harm Pakistan’s agricultural interests. If the government is serious about all this, it amounts to the first big threat Modi is making to the terror exporters across the border after the Uri attack.
Both the 1,000 MW Pakal Dul hydel project on the Marusadar river, a tributary of the Chenab, and the 1,020 MW Bursar project on the Chenab that India spoke about on Monday will raise Pakistani hackles. These two are among the projects that Pakistan has been dead set against.
And the 1,200 MW Sawalkot project, much bigger than these two, will drive the Pakistanis up the wall even more. Pakistan has been saying that the proposed Sawalkot dam falls within the seismic zone of the Himalayas and would be highly vulnerable to earthquakes. Some experts across the border argue that Sawalkot would pose the threat of a huge environmental disaster for Pakistan.
And the Tulbul navigation project, which India had suspended and which it said on Monday would review, is designed to drive the Pakistanis into a state of paranoia. Pakistanis have been claiming that this project, apart from depriving them of water, would pose a serious security risk to them. According to them, the Tulbul project would help Indians manipulate the water level in the Jhelum, making it easy for them to cross the river in times of war. That also means, they claim, Indians can make it tough for the Pakistani soldiers to cross the river if they choose to.

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby Philip » 27 Sep 2016 19:22

Dear Sachin,its you who appear to have a dose of the Delhi Belly! Rush to an apothecary.These weapon systems are proudly being used by our armed forces.Don't denigrate them.Soviet/Russian arms served us magnificently during '71,they will serve us well today as well.

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby sanM » 27 Sep 2016 19:37

kedariprasad wrote:Israel ready to help India with cutting-edge technology to secure borders

http://zeenews.india.com/news/india/uri ... 32785.html


my first post... but working for Israeli company for more than a decade trust me its all about $$$ , they dont care sh*t about our interests nor do the americhans. we need to grow a pair and fight our won battle .. isolation and other crap dont work work here

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby Kashi » 27 Sep 2016 19:43

Philip wrote:Dear Sachin,its you who appear to have a dose of the Delhi Belly! Rush to an apothecary.These weapon systems are proudly being used by our armed forces.Don't denigrate them.Soviet/Russian arms served us magnificently during '71,they will serve us well today as well.


They seem to be serving Chinese equally magnificently. And Bakis too, with their shiny new RD-93s

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby Akshay Kapoor » 27 Sep 2016 20:13

why don't we all hug the Pakistanis and win them over with love ? I'm all for peace.... And love.

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby kit » 27 Sep 2016 20:25

Yeah they will hug you with one hand and stab you with the other .. what part of " all non muslims are infidels and its their heavenly duty to purify the world by killing them" you don t understand .. this is the Wahhabi version of islam and the only one Pakistan and its biggest benefactor is following

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby anupmisra » 27 Sep 2016 20:33

Akshay Kapoor wrote:why don't we all hug the Pakistanis and win them over with love ? I'm all for peace.... And love.


Hey, October 2 is just around the corner. Call it "Hug a Paki" day! But, first, make sure they have been frisked, full cavity-searched and passed through a metal detector. Second, leave your wallets and sensibilities at home. Last, make them sign a lien waiver.

Then hug 'em all you want.

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Re: India's Retaliation Options to significant terrorist strikes

Postby panduranghari » 27 Sep 2016 20:45

shiv wrote:What if, to escape international censure. Pakis set off bombs in their cities and then pre-emptively attack India, blaming India for the attacks


In investment terms, alpha, beta and epsilon are useful indicators of how a particular investment vehicle performs.

Alpha- the expected return on investment
Beta- the volatility of the investment
Epsilon- idiosyncratic reaction. One that cannot be controlled.

In the long term with the incremental frequency of terrorist attacks in the west, the 'alpha' for Indian punitive action against rises, the 'beta' reduces and reduces the 'episilon' of death by 1000 cuts. IMO onlee.


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