Ex-Navy officer arrested by Pak in Baluchistan

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Starting a new thread as I think this topic might just attract a lot of attention in coming days.

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India on Friday rejected Pakistan’s claims that it had arrested a serving naval officer in Balochistan for what it called “subversive activities”. In a statement, the Ministry of External affairs however, admitted that the man believed to be arrested was a former officer of the navy.

“The said individual has no link with Government since his premature retirement from Indian Navy,” said the MEA statement, adding that India has now sought consular access to him. The government also denied the Pakistani claim that the former officer was spying, saying that “India has no interest in interfering in internal matters of any country and firmly believes that a stable and peaceful Pakistan is in the interest of all in the region.”

According to documents released by Military intelligence sources in Pakistan, the arrested man identified himself as Kulbhushan Yadav, formerly a commander in the navy, who, Pakistan claims, was sent under deputation to the Research and Analysis Wing of the government to Iran. A passport (No. L9630722), purportedly belonging to the arrested man, showed his assumed name as ‘Hussein Mubarak Patel’, born in Sangli, Maharashtra, and living in Powai, as well as a valid Iranian visa in his name.

The details were shared with Indian High Commissioner Gautam Bambawale on Friday morning, when he was summoned by Pakistan Foreign Secretary Aizaz Ahmad Chaudhury, when Mr. Chaudhury lodged a protest with India.

However, officials denied that any documents had been handed over, and were able to verify the identity of the former Naval officer on the “basis of the name provided by Pakistan.”

The arrested former official is believed to have been flown to Islamabad, where he will be further interrogated.

Pakistan lodges protest over arrest of ‘RAW agent’

“The Indian High Commissioner was summoned by the Foreign Secretary and through a demarche conveyed our protest and deep concern on the illegal entry into Pakistan by a RAW officer and his involvement in subversive activities in Balochistan and Karachi,” a Pakistan foreign ministry statement said.

Sources told The Hindu that during the conversation, Pakistani FS Mr. Chaudhury said that the arrest was in line with previous protests by Pakistan over what it calls Indian support to Baloch national groups, waging an insurgency in Pakistan. India has denied the charges of any involvement, but this is the first time Pakistan has alleged it has arrested a serving officer of the external intelligence agency R&AW.

The case has dominated Pakistani headlines after the details of the arrest of Mr. Yadav on March 21st were disclosed to the media. According to State Interior Minister Mir Sarfaraz Bugti, the arrest took place in the Chaman area near the Pakistan-Afghanistan border, and Mr. Yadav had disclosed his real name, and said he worked for the R&AW and the Afghanistan intelligence agency NDS. ““It has been our contention that RAW has been involved (in creating unrest) in Balochistan,” Mr. Bugti told reporters on Friday.

According to intelligence officials in Pakistan, Mr. Yadav had entered Pakistan illegally through the border with Iran. While sources in the government said they had no information on why he would have crossed over from Iran, they said he was believed to be contracted privately with a construction project linked to the Chabahar port in Iran. Significantly, the arrest was announced on the day Iranian President Rouhani landed in Pakistan for a bilateral visit.

In India, military sources refused to comment on the issue. However one official, who didn’t wish to be named, pointed out that the speed of the MEA statement acknowledging the identity of the arrested man indicated that India had been given prior information about the arrest.

It is understood that NSA Ajit Doval has been in regular contact with the Pakistan NSA Janjua, with unconfirmed reports that they had shared intelligence on terror inputs as well in the past two months.

The arrest comes a week before Prime Ministers Narendra Modi and Nawaz Sharif travel to Washington to attend the Nuclear Security Summit on March 31st. While no bilateral meeting has been confirmed by either side, the arrest in Balochistan is likely to come up in future talks between both countries, officials said.
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these ba...rds are showing their true colors, with the Pathankot SIT/JIT coming to India, they just want to deflect attention and muddle the probe and nothing else. I was apprehensive of that pappi jhappi of JIT. These guys should be given a big danda only then they understand.
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^^ Hope he is pulled out safe if the details are true. Most probably some spy swap if required
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ranjan.rao wrote:these ba...rds are showing their true colors, with the Pathankot SIT/JIT coming to India, they just want to deflect attention and muddle the probe and nothing else. I was apprehensive of that pappi jhappi of JIT. These guys should be given a big danda only then they understand.
You're right. This was timed to perfection. They want to make Modi look stupid and throw him off balance. ISI was probably watching him for some time.
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most probably he is what he claims to be -- a pvt citizen working for the construction co. and the cowardly morons of pak int. kidnapped him.
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Any Pakistani in India be arrested and send to jail for being a spy. That will be the appropriate response. most possibly the ones who came to watch kiriket match and the ones who came to play it. All Pakistani spies can be rounded up and put in jail.
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unfortunately, paki establishment considers anyone not belonging to the elite RAPE families completely expendable for the 'cause'
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Retired military officer working for construction company snatched by ISI.
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India would need to arm twist Pukis to get consular access to ensure that our former Navy officer kidnapped by ISI is safe and is reassured. India would need to quickly arrest one of the influential Puki business person (or kidnap them from Dubai) on pretext of smuggling large quantity of heroine and trade these two.
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schinnas wrote:India would need to arm twist Pukis to get consular access to ensure that our former Navy officer kidnapped by ISI is safe and is reassured. India would need to quickly arrest one of the influential Puki business person (or kidnap them from Dubai) on pretext of smuggling large quantity of heroine and trade these two.

they are building a narrative to insure themselves against disruptions in the CPEC so that their chini friends don't bugger them later.
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Arm twisting by NAMO has already begun. Saw a news clip that a large number of pakis detained in Rajasthan on charges of entering India with forged visa. Suddenly India reminds me of China, tit for tat diplomatic swift action to send strong message.
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This is a blatant and overt misuse of state actors in Pakistan to engage in a criminal act - kidnapping of a bonafide Indian citizen and taking him across to Paki badlands. India should first file a FIR in Iran and a counter demarche to Paki and demand he be handed back to Indian or worst, Iranian authorities.
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KB Jadhav was kidnapped by ISI from Bandar Abbas city of Iran & implicated as RAW agent to defame India. Some Iranian helped ISI in this act
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We should encourage GOI to take this head on instead of beating around the bush. Sushmaji has been proactive in securing every citizen in conflict zones such as Syria, Iraq, Libya and Yemen - Pakistan is no different.
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http://thewire.in/2016/03/26/beyond-pak ... ors-26116/
Beyond Pakistan’s Claims to Have Caught a ‘RAW Agent’ Lies a Wilderness of Mirrors
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If we work with the assumption that Jadhav is indeed an Indian intelligence officer, there are several possibilities here

baloch apLet us dispose of the notion that India does not carry out covert operations against Pakistan. New Delhi has, at least since 1990, refused to use the instrumentality of terrorism to hit back at Pakistan, but you can be sure that – short of terrorist acts – it employs all the weapons available in the covert arsenal for both defence and offence. This is the least you can expect, given Pakistan considers India its primary adversary and is into all kinds of activity ranging from ordinary espionage, to subversion of currency, promoting separatism and supporting terrorism.

India has important strategic interests in Pakistan, including in the Balochistan region. Balochistan is of interest principally because of the stepped up naval activities of the Chinese in Gwadar and the plans for the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor.

For the past two decades, India has made no secret of its activities in Iranian Balochistan. It has sought to develop the port of Chabahar for alternative routes to Afghanistan and Central Asia. It has used its consulate in Zahedan, which is near the Pakistan border, to keep an eye on Pakistani activity there and support Indian interests. All this is done, of course, under the watchful eyes of the Iranian authorities who, no doubt, have their red-lines on what the Indians can do and what they cannot.

Looking at the case of Commander (retired) Kulbhushan Jadhav, the arrested India man that Pakistan says is a ‘RAW officer’, it is worthwhile recalling the legendary CIA counter-intelligence officer James Jesus Angleton’s description of intelligence craft as “a wilderness of mirrors.” Finding out where the truth lies is next to impossible, and reality is what you want to believe.

At first sight, the facts of the case are fairly straightforward.

On Thursday, local media in Pakistan reported that its security forces had arrested “a serving officer in the Indian navy and deputed to the intelligence agency Research & Analysis Wing (RAW)” in Balochistan. Subsequently, Dawn reported Balochistan home minister Mir Sarfaraz Bugti as saying that “an Indian spy” was arrested in the southern part of the province.

On Friday, the Pakistan foreign office summoned Indian high commissioner Gautam Bambawale to protest what it claimed was the “subversive activities” of a “RAW officer.”

In a statement, the Pakistan foreign office said: “The Indian high commissioner was summoned by the foreign secretary today, and through a démarche (we) conveyed our protest and deep concern on the illegal entry into Pakistan by a RAW officer. And his involvement in subversive activities in Balochistan and Karachi.”

Later on Friday, the official spokesman of the Ministry of External Affairs, Vikas Swarup told reporters that the “said individual has no link with the government since his premature retirement from the Indian navy.” Indian diplomats in Pakistan had sought consular access, he said, adding that “India has no interest in interfering in the internal matters of any country and firmly believes that a stable and peaceful Pakistan is in the interest of all in the region.”

Pakistan’s Dunya News channel said that Jadhav had been arrested from the Chaman area of Balochistan, that his address in Mumbai was No 502B Silver Oak, Powai, Hiranandani Gardens and that he had a passport no. L9630722, with a valid Iranian visa made out in the name of Hussein Mubarak Patel. The channel said that Jadhav had joined RAW in 2013 and was initially based in Chabahar, the port in Iran which India is helping to develop.

The Indian Express has confirmed that Jadhav does indeed live where the Pakistani report says he does, is the son of a former police official in Mumbai, and is a businessman who had interests around the world, though it has not figured out what business he does.

This is the point from where the wilderness of mirrors begins.

The first big question is why a commander-level officer would be involved in a cross-border operation. His rank is the equivalent of a lieutenant colonel in the army, and officers of this rank run operations from a distance, they don’t participate in them. Indeed, persons of this rank are not even forward-based on a border where captains and majors run the operations that are in turn executed by low-level agents, and non-commissioned officers, at least in the India-Pakistan context. Over the years, India has caught a raft of ISI agents, but all of them were relatively low-level operatives or non-commissioned officers like SSG commando Mohammed Khalid, who was arrested in Kupwara in 1995, or Naik Zulfikar Ahmed – who died in a Delhi hospital and was listed as a “martyr” on a Pakistan army website.

The second big question is why such an officer would carry an Indian passport with him for what was going to be a clandestine operation. Using third country passports for such missions is standard practice for any major intelligence agency, as it provides an immediate layer of deniability in the event of an agent being caught.

If we work with the assumption that Jadhav is indeed an Indian intelligence officer, there are several possibilities here.

First among these is that he was kidnapped from Iran and delivered to Pakistani officials at Chaman. The second, that he was lured by a Pakistani intelligence operation to enter Afghanistan and abducted from there. There is a third possibility – that Jadhav had to involve himself personally because either he had to deliver a large sum of money to Baloch contacts, or had been promised a meeting with someone so important that his contacts said this would require his personal presence.

The last scenario harkens to the Venlo incident in which British and Dutch intelligence officers were lured to the German border and kidnapped from Dutch soil in 1939. They were tempted by the offer of a meeting with a non-existent general who was supposed to be leading the resistance against Hitler. For Pakistan, getting hold of an Indian officer in Balochistan is a major coup. For years it has been shouting from the roof-tops that Indians were involved in Baloch separatist activity, as well as a whole raft of other bad things in Pakistan.

Copy of the Indian passport Kulbhushan Jadhav was allegedly carrying. Credit: Dunya TV
Copy of the Indian passport Kulbhushan Jadhav was allegedly carrying. Credit: Dunya TV
Now, they have a person in their custody and the government of India has acknowledged that he is, indeed, a former Indian navy official. As for New Delhi’s denial of any action prejudicial to Pakistani interests, we can treat that as proforma; after all, the government is not likely to acknowledge such things.

The fourth, and somewhat improbable, possibility is that having abducted Jadhav, the Pakistanis have manufactured evidence in the form of a forged passport. But this can easily be verified through the passport authorities. If indeed, such a passport has been issued to Jadhav, the MEA will end up with a lot of egg on its face.

While India midwifed the creation of Bangladesh, it has never publicly backed the Baloch separatist cause. This despite the fact that Pakistani “moral and political support” for Kashmiri independence extends to funding, training and arming Kashmiris and Pakistani nationals to fight against Indian forces in the state. Indeed, ISI efforts to promote separatism in India pre-date the Bangladesh war. Simply put, those looking for training camps run by Indians in Afghanistan will not find them. This does not preclude covert moral and monetary support to the Balochis, primarily because of the pain Pakistan has inflicted on India in the last 30 years, not merely on account of Kashmir, and not with some belief that Balochistan ought to be free. There are few in India who would support the breakup of Pakistan because that would be to open a Pandora’s Box. So, the MEA statement backing a “stable and peaceful” Pakistan should be taken at face value.

What the Jadhav arrest has done is to bring to the public domain the covert war that India is fighting against Pakistan. We know a lot about the Pakistani war against India, but not so much about the Indian effort. It also opens up the possibility that this war, bitter though it may be, can also be fought with some rules – principally, that arrested agents are treated with dignity, not just by those who arrest them, but in their own home country after they return.

Spies who have served the country with great fortitude and suffered torture and long terms of imprisonment are left to rot when and if they manage to return home, usually after long spells of imprisonment. This is in stark contrast to the practices of countries like Russia, Israel, the US or Britain, which sticks by its men, and, in the right circumstances quietly arranges exchanges.

The writer is a Distinguished Fellow, Observer Research Foundation
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http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/india-de ... an-1290836
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Sources in the government have told NDTV that there is no proof that the former navy officer, who now runs a small cargo business in Dubai, was arrested in Balochistan. The government believes, sources added, that he could have been arrested after he strayed into Pakistan waters.

Yesterday, India had acknowledged that the arrested man served with the navy, but denied that he is a RAW agent.

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http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/india-de ... eststories
India has rejected allegations that a former navy officer arrested by Pakistan is an agent of its foreign intelligence agency RAW or the Research and Analysis Wing and wants consular access to speak to him to "assess the truth".

Sources in the government say there is no proof that the retired navy officer, who owns a cargo business in Iran, was arrested in Balochistan as claimed by Pakistan. The government believes he could have been arrested after he strayed into Pakistani waters and was being wrongly charged, they added.

"He had a boat and carried small cargo from Bandar- Abbas and Chabahar ports in Iran and other adjoining areas ," a top official said adding "whether he accidentally strayed into Pakistani waters or was lured into Pakistan needs to checked."

Yesterday, India had acknowledged that the arrested man served with the navy, but denied that he is a RAW agent.

"The individual has no link with government since his premature retirement from Indian Navy," said the Foreign Ministry in a statement.

Kulbushan Jadev was arrested on Thursday in a raid in Balochistan, said Pakistani media, claiming that the "Indian spy was sponsoring terrorist and subversive activities in Balochistan."

In Islamabad, Indian envoy Gautam Bambawale was summoned by the Pakistani government which alleged that Kulbushan Jadev had instigated terror attacks in Karachi and unrest in Balochistan.
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'RAW agent' arrest by Pakistan: Dalbir Kaur fears another Sarabjit in the making
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 560688.cms
After Pakistan on Friday claimed it arrested an 'agent' from India's Research and Analysis Wing in Balochistan province, Sarbjit Singh's sister Dalbir Kaur said on Saturday she feared that Islamabad was trying to create another Sarabjit..
Pakistan said the man is 'a serving officer in the Indian Navy' and deputed to RAW..
Sarabjit Singh, who Pakistan alleged was Manjit Singh, was an Indian national convicted of terrorism and spying by a Pakistani court in 2003.
"What else we can expect from Pakistan. They have been arresting innocent Indians who have accidently, by mistake, have landed a foot in their territory. We can only expect that they would call that person as a RAW agent," Dalbir told ANI.

The Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) spokesperson Vikas Swarup said that on Saturday, Pakistan's Foreign Secretary raised the issue of the man's arrest with the Indian High Commissioner in Islamabad..
"The said individual has no link with government since his premature retirement from Indian Navy," Swarup said..
Dalbir, who on Saturday met External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj about the issue of Indians imprisoned in Pakistan jails, said it was nothing new for Pakistan to arrest innocent people and call them spies.

Every time, the Indian government provides them with evidence, they say it is not enough. The intention of the Pakistan government is not right towards the Indians. I am just worried whether they are not trying to create another Sarabjit," she added.
Dalbir further called on the government to take firm and immediate steps to bring back to India the man arrested in Pakistan on Friday.
I just hope that Kulbhushan Jadhav can make it back safe.
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RAW agent carrying his passport with him, for terror activities in Balochistan ?

And Raheel updating Iranian premier for it... how laughable porkies can get.
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These are the key questions around this case:

1. Whether Cdr. Jadhav (retd) is a serving Navy officer or not => Official position known.

2. Whether he was on a covert mission => Official position known.

3. Where was he kidnapped? => not clarified

4. How & who kidnapped him? => not clarified

5. Did we know about the happenings on ground? => Cant say. It was Pakistan who publicly reacted first.

In any case, I see this is a test case of how our machinery may work in case we were to genuinely send in our boys on a covert operation or a special operation and one of them gets caught. MEA should call out the Pakis for kidnapping a civilian from and try to make it an issue and get him back. RM Parrikar has repeatedly stated that he is trying to create the deep assets... how we handle this will give them confidence on our handling if shyte goes down.
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We should encourage GOI to take this head on instead of beating around the bush. Sushmaji has been proactive in securing every citizen in conflict zones such as Syria, Iraq, Libya and Yemen - Pakistan is no different.
Pakistan is clearly more like Somalia and less and less of the above conflict zones. With Nukes it is more dangerous than Somalia or Turkey, and with terrorism it is more dangerous than ISIL. In fact, it looks like Pakis want to get more legitimacy just by keeping Indians dealing with jihadi state actors, while the money part of blackmail is provided for by fourfather funded international institutions.
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so retired officer running cargo business strayed into Paki waters and is being charged as a spy.

Shows hazards of ex-servicemen doing business near Pak borders.
And Indian media is pushing plausible spy story?

I don't trust ex-Commie Manoj Joshi.

Who died and made him an exert?

next coupta will also chime in.
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HOW DID PAK ARREST JADHAV? THEY HEARD HIM SPEAK MARATHI
Kul Bhushan Jadhav was arrested by Pakistan's Intelligence Bureau as he had dropped his guard and started talking like a Marathi Manoos during his telephone conversations with his family, disclose senior officers from central intelligence.
Top intelligence officers have revealed that after 14 years of working in the region he had become a bit complacent. It is suspected that his phone was on surveillance by the Pakistani agencies and those who were monitoring his communications found something amiss and out of character as Jadhav is alleged to be operating under the cover of a Muslim businessman.

Jadhav's habit of speaking to his family in Marathi and with extreme familiarity and comfort level in the language betrayed his cover - his passport identifies him as Husain Mubarak Patel; but his mannerisms were nothing like that of a Muslim Patel.
The family had lost contact with Jadhav since February leading to the suspicion that he was in the custody of Pakistan for a while now.

As a result, two other local contacts who were supposed to provide back-up assistance to Jadhav are also reportedly missing for over a month. The standard operating procedure is to always have some 'contacts' on standby to be the contact persons in times of emergency or when there is total blackout of communications and inaccessibility of the person of interest. Both the Indian contacts are inaccessible and have probably gone underground or are on the run - unless they have already been arrested and thrown behind bars -- disclosed officers from the Mumbai police.
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WTF is mumbai police doing making such statements? They just ensured this man is now thought guilty
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^ my thoughts exactly, Karan

Did you notice the journalist

He has got a reputation... of attributing info to 'sources'

Lot of fog and mirrors
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Could be an operation mounted by the other side to try and smoke out the real assets

All part of the game.
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Somebody should drag this journalist and the publisher to court saying that they are endangering the life of a civilian by publishing such articles
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Clearly folks are not familiar with y S Hussain Zaidi and his adulatory work on the D company.
Forget the work of a propagandist. The fact that the yellow rag owned by the ToiLet group printed it would mean a larger concerted effort is in play here to project the Retd officer as an active operative.
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huh ! the mumbai police apparently has all the finer details about a top secret overseas op by another agency; tell me another one !
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People. We are not children any more. Why do we do this again and again. Read that link and see what it says. I quote:
disclose senior officers from central intelligence.
So senior intel officers who remain unnamed told a Mumbai paper all this. And we believe it. It takes 2 hands to clap, but only one mouth to swallow crap (er excuse the imbecilic rhyme)
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Manish_P wrote:HOW DID PAK ARREST JADHAV? THEY HEARD HIM SPEAK MARATHI
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I thought I'd note the named and un-named sources from this article:
disclose senior officers from central intelligence.
Top intelligence officers have revealed that after 14 years of working in the region he had become a bit complacent.
says Thane police commissioner, Param Bir Singh.
his close friends from Mumbai police told this newspaper.
disclosed officers from the Mumbai police.
Shirish Thorat, New York-based security expert and former Indian police officer said, "
Deven Bharti, joint commissioner of police (law and order), replied in negative.
Obviously the un-named sources have conveniently made all the 'insider' statements, while the named sources are connected with bland remarks.

I'm not 100% sure, but as a former journalist I am willing to bet good money that some or all of the gentleman named in the article have actually also given the more salacious details. Unless of course the writer has made up some stuff himself, which is also not entirely unlikely.
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Let me predict the course of events in the next few weeks
1. Paki media and govt agencies will pick up this story
2. Indian TV will then pick it up and interview the family
3. Congress will say government has bungled
4. TV debate will invite Pakis and Indian experts to debate this and both sets of views will be given equal weightage
5. TV channels will run a program on the sorry state of Indian spies who are forgotten by the Indian government
6. Media will dig up stories of 5-6 Indians who the government has denied knowledge of and claim that Pakistan and the US have confirmed these people as Indian spies
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We need consular access to the veteran first things first. Depriving him of that is against human rights principles.

The cynic in me wants to see GOI demanding this access clearly and loudly - else it will be perceived that we basically agree that Cdr Jadhav is a spy. The only official statement, or at least what I have seen, is "he is not in official capacity as he took PMR" - which can be intepreted as GOI washing their hands off a spy who was captured.
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Re: Ex-Navy officer arrested by Pak in Baluchistan

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^^ Im sure Mumbai police would have folks who have served in IB/RAW and thus, have their own contacts in the agency ( like Karkare who was a RAW man and then came back to Mumbai police)

Basically, lots of smoke and mirrors happening and a lot of time will pass before the fog clears. Only hope that GoI is doing eveything to keep our citizen safe from the TSP-ians
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shiv wrote:Let me predict the course of events in the next few weeks
1. Paki media and govt agencies will pick up this story
2. Indian TV will then pick it up and interview the family
3. Congress will say government has bungled
4. TV debate will invite Pakis and Indian experts to debate this and both sets of views will be given equal weightage
5. TV channels will run a program on the sorry state of Indian spies who are forgotten by the Indian government
6. Media will dig up stories of 5-6 Indians who the government has denied knowledge of and claim that Pakistan and the US have confirmed these people as Indian spies

the retired officer may not survive the episode. usual reason trotted out is that some one died of injuries after fight in prison with other inmates :evil:
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sum wrote:Mumbai police would have folks who have served in IB/RAW
who would know the first rule of intelligence is to keep their mouth shut, especially on matters beyond their present jurisdiction.

The two named police officers spoke absolutely properly.
Deven Bharti, joint commissioner of police (law and order), replied in negative.
"We have tried to establish the veracity of Patel's passport and found that it was not issued from our RPO," says Thane police commissioner, Param Bir Singh. "No police verification report was ever submitted by Thane police. In all probability it could be a bogus passport," he added.

The rest of the news article is based on unnamed nonsense.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ0KeXt ... e=youtu.be

It begins. Ignore the headlines, watch the content.
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Baikul wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ0KeXt ... e=youtu.be

It begins. Ignore the headlines, watch the content.
So, Pakis continue their policy of a thousand "cuts" even when it comes to videos. :roll:
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good to see the officer isn't broken down by his ordeal. just nod your head and mouth whatever claptrap the pakis are making him speak and GOI should find a way to get him home.
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shiv wrote:Let me predict the course of events in the next few weeks
1. Paki media and govt agencies will pick up this story
2. Indian TV will then pick it up and interview the family
3. Congress will say government has bungled
4. TV debate will invite Pakis and Indian experts to debate this and both sets of views will be given equal weightage
5. TV channels will run a program on the sorry state of Indian spies who are forgotten by the Indian government
6. Media will dig up stories of 5-6 Indians who the government has denied knowledge of and claim that Pakistan and the US have confirmed these people as Indian spies

Oh oh oh you forgot.

7. "Jadhav" or "Jathav" is an SC name from Maharashtra (not to be confused with "Yadav"). Media will use this angle to shout from the rooftops how Brahmanical Hindu govt of Modi has uncaringly disowned a patriotic Daleeet hero who made the supreme sacrifice as an intelligence officer serving the national interest behind enemy lines.
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Re: Ex-Navy officer arrested by Pak in Baluchistan

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On that note I am closing the thread as it serves no purpose except to cast aspersions on a retired officer who is just doing his business.

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Can Mods change the name of this thread into ' Balochistan Indo-Pak issue' or some thing appropriate and use it for discussions on developments after PM's Balochistan support
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