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Indian Space Programme Discussion - Sept 2016

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Re: Indian Space Programme Discussion - Sept 2016

Postby SwamyG » 15 Feb 2017 10:37

congrats isro, india aND well wishers. warm wishes to all the people involved.

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Re: Indian Space Programme Discussion - Sept 2016

Postby disha » 15 Feb 2017 10:43

Congratulations to ISRO.

Dookh Darshan needs to have a space correspondent that knows when NOT to pan on people (at one stage, it pan'ed on a family in audience for complete 10 seconds!) OR on the range operator. It can show the progress screen with background information.

I did not have problem with Hindi/English commentary., the commentary was good - the Hindi was very flowery and hence useless., while the English commentator brought in various aspects of the launch.

Here are the key points with this launch:

1. ISRO/India is the go-to destination now for small and ultra-small sized satellites. This actually opens up the industry further., since space application can be accessed by small companies in $10M to $100M range. If Wipro/Infosys/Reliance/etc have some vision., they can use this to have their own fleet of space vehicles for their own operations. Think ISRO launched an iPhone.

2. ISRO has cornered the entire small/ultra-small sized sat market. Unless other countries make space launch as a national program., their launchers will become prohibitively costly. Only Russia, US and India have launchers which can readily cater to small to mid-size sats and within that only ISRO has the expertise to cater to ultra-small (or nano) sats.

3. Launching 104 sats in 105 separation events (I am including P4 stage as well) required taking into account 5000+ permutations of launch sequence variations. This is heavy math. Further, P4 stage itself is a satellite for some 10 orbits and will provide ISRO additional data.

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Re: Indian Space Programme Discussion - Sept 2016

Postby rahulm » 15 Feb 2017 10:49

Congratulations ISRO.

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Commentary can be better. No,point in repeating what the mission audio has said. Also, loose the unnecessary adjectives 'antrikh ke sannate se garajta hua yeh bhava raaakit' etc.

No one taught the commentators the power of the pause and silence. ?

If privatised, I feel,it will just get worse. For starters, screen crawlies would eat up the bottom 25% of the screen, sponsor ads would be timed to appear perfectly during critical events in the launch sequence with all manner of cute unnecessary animations.

But great job by the ISRO team.

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Re: Indian Space Programme Discussion - Sept 2016

Postby PratikDas » 15 Feb 2017 10:49

Congratulations, ISRO!

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Re: Indian Space Programme Discussion - Sept 2016

Postby SwamyG » 15 Feb 2017 11:03

Which foreign media will start Indians living under $2 a day, full of poverty and water crisis Rona Dhona?

My bet BBC.

I am happy that ISRO got to launch its satellite by making the foreign saletllite owners pay half for the launch. It is like getting two mangoes with one stone.

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Re: Indian Space Programme Discussion - Sept 2016

Postby SwamyG » 15 Feb 2017 11:11

Disha well articulated points. A good University now can afford to launch a nano satellite for a small price. If ISRO can line up 50 or 60 such satellites everytime, then it's cost to launch Indian satellites go down.

India gets goodwill and recognition from so many students and professors from around the World.

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Re: Indian Space Programme Discussion - Sept 2016

Postby Neela » 15 Feb 2017 11:23

disha wrote:Congratulations to ISRO.



1. ISRO/India is the go-to destination now for small and ultra-small sized satellites. This actually opens up the industry further., since space application can be accessed by small companies in $10M to $100M range. If Wipro/Infosys/Reliance/etc have some vision., they can use this to have their own fleet of space vehicles for their own operations. Think ISRO launched an iPhone.
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Disha Sir,
Wondering what the business model is for Wipro/Reliance in small satellite launch? If it is not their core competency, and if there is no part of the business that cannot be commoditzed or that can be offered as a package, it will remain a niche custom area.
Please dont forget that these companies might have to invest in labs and testing equipment which could cost anything from $10 million upwards. These companies would need to know if there is a long term revenue stream by placing themselves in between launcher and satellite developer.

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Re: Indian Space Programme Discussion - Sept 2016

Postby sooraj » 15 Feb 2017 11:30

C-25 640 second test in next few days.

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Re: Indian Space Programme Discussion - Sept 2016

Postby asgkhan » 15 Feb 2017 11:52

SwamyG wrote:Which foreign media will start Indians living under $2 a day, full of poverty and water crisis Rona Dhona?

My bet BBC.

I am happy that ISRO got to launch its satellite by making the foreign saletllite owners pay half for the launch. It is like getting two mangoes with one stone.


Also the Briturds will complain on how aid is being wasted as it is spending 'zillions' of pounds improving the brown man's living condition.

BTW, congrats to ISRO and its scientists. Burnol moment to capital of fake goods China.

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Re: Indian Space Programme Discussion - Sept 2016

Postby Dilbu » 15 Feb 2017 11:53

My bet is that this time the whine is going to be about low cost yevil ISRO contributing towards creating more space junk. Should low cost players with hordes of nanao satellites be allowed to litter the space, hain?? Should a responsible space agency try to make quick buck with scant regards towards space junk issue hainjee... etc etc.

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Re: Indian Space Programme Discussion - Sept 2016

Postby OmkarC » 15 Feb 2017 12:11

Dilbu ji got it right.. If they can't defame you using old tactics, just take credit for the positives and still defame you using new excuses:

https://thewire.in/107924/107924/
After Big Launch, ISRO Gunning for Mars and Venus With France, US Help

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While India’s first mission to Mars undertaken in 2013 was a purely Indian mission, the French space agency wants to collaborate in making the Mars rover. In fact on a visit to India this month, Michael M. Watkins, director of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory of NASA, said they would be keen to at least put a telematics module so Nasa’s rovers and the Indian satellites are able to talk to each other.
(so putting a "telematics module" to talk to Nasa's rovers and making a rover w/ the french - imply they are no longer indigenously reaching other planets ? )

The second Indian mission to Mars is likely to be all about doing good science since the first one was a technology demonstrator.

India’s maiden mission to Venus is likely going to be a modest orbiter mission. Watkins said a mission to Venus is worthwhile as so little is understood about that planet and NASA would definitely be willing to partner in India’s maiden voyage to it. Towards that, NASA and ISRO have already initiated talks this month on trying to jointly undertake studies on using electrical propulsion for powering this mission. Former ISRO chairman K. Kasturirangan says, “India should be part of this global adventure and exploring Venus and Mars is very worthwhile since humans definitely need another habitation beyond Earth.”

Closer home, on its 39th launch on February 15, ISRO’s PSLV rocket will lift off carrying 1,378 kg of payloads. Some experts are suggesting that in a bid to earn money, ISRO is actually contributing to the creation of space junk as the numerous nanosatellites onboard are not very useful.

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Re: Indian Space Programme Discussion - Sept 2016

Postby Nick_S » 15 Feb 2017 12:16

Hiten wrote:i am trying to understand the mechanism of multi satellite deployments. Too many queries.


The sats were deployed through ISIS Quadpack Cubesat Deployer system.

Image

"A view of the 25 “QuadPacks” holding 101 CubeSats slated for launch Wednesday."

https://spaceflightnow.com/2017/02/14/i ... -in-orbit/
https://www.isispace.nl/product/quadpac ... -deployer/

Vid of Planet's Dove sat imagery - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWaKCtZ ... e=youtu.be

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Re: Indian Space Programme Discussion - Sept 2016

Postby kmkraoind » 15 Feb 2017 13:33

Planet Launches Satellite Constellation to Image the Whole Planet Daily

Today Planet successfully launched 88 Dove satellites to orbit—the largest satellite constellation ever to reach orbit. This is not just a launch (or a world record, for that matter!); for our team this is a major milestone. With these satellites in orbit, Planet will reach its Mission 1: the ability to image all of Earth’s landmass every day.

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Will Marshall @wsm1
Launch Success! 5 years in the making! @planetlabs now has fleet to image entire Earth land daily. Proud! planet.com/pulse/planet-l… Thx @isro

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Re: Indian Space Programme Discussion - Sept 2016

Postby JTull » 15 Feb 2017 16:36

Wonder how long before British press starts rona dhona about aid or precious Rupees wasted on space program rather than feed the poor.

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Re: Indian Space Programme Discussion - Sept 2016

Postby Rishi Verma » 15 Feb 2017 16:44

More than anything an American company putting faith in a single pslv rocket for all 88 satellites speaks volumes for launch reliability and accuracy of orbit. They could have done 44+44 with isro and others (or 30+30+28) if they had any doubt. I am sure they decided on this after weighing many options.

Not to forget Kazakh, Israeli, UAE, (and our own cartosat) etc in one go.

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Re: Indian Space Programme Discussion - Sept 2016

Postby Gagan » 15 Feb 2017 16:52

Congratulations ISRO !

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Re: Indian Space Programme Discussion - Sept 2016

Postby Gagan » 15 Feb 2017 16:57

Antariksh meing raakit ki garjana...
What a retard commentry by durdasha !

The most shameful thing about this momentous event was the TV coverage

ISRO calls all media walas to come and cover the launch. Only DD chennai turns up. No pvt TV channel comes.
Antrix corp needs to rope in a videshi telecaster to come and cover. ISRO launches are the worst covered launches

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Re: Indian Space Programme Discussion - Sept 2016

Postby Gagan » 15 Feb 2017 17:13

Put a camerawala with a telescope in south east Sri Lanka at least na.
That is where most of the action happens, heat sheild seperation, strapon seperation, 2nd stage ignition etc can be easily captured on a high zoom stabilized camera and telecast live

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Re: Indian Space Programme Discussion - Sept 2016

Postby Gagan » 15 Feb 2017 17:17

Or launch a Su-30 or Mig 29 with a camera to shoot from the air
Deploy a dhruv to cover the launch site from the air, let the world see the rocket rising from the ground.

Instead of this, what do we get? Antariksh mein raakit ki garjana! Idiot commentator who just won't STFU

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Re: Indian Space Programme Discussion - Sept 2016

Postby Gagan » 15 Feb 2017 17:24

All these pvt TV channels camera teams just luvv being lathicharged, trying to film OPS or Sasikala. But none of them will be asked to turn up in sriharikota. Atleast point the effing camera skywards from Marina beach onlee, its free you media idiots!!!

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Re: Indian Space Programme Discussion - Sept 2016

Postby rsingh » 15 Feb 2017 17:40

I was thinking if we could use this to design a "sat killing" mechanism. ISRO launches 100 micro sats. These sats are timed and spaced in such a way that they park themselves near to the target and explode or push the target sat to the space. Anyway ISRO made us proud again and again and again.

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Re: Indian Space Programme Discussion - Sept 2016

Postby Rishi Verma » 15 Feb 2017 18:46

Gagan wrote:Antariksh meing raakit ki garjana...
What a retard commentry by durdasha !

The most shameful thing about this momentous event was the TV coverage

....

Antrix corp needs to rope in a videshi telecaster to come and cover. ISRO launches are the worst covered launches


Nothing wrong if Hindi commentator gets carried away in true elation. Why the Hindi version need to sound like nasa version? As long as the Hindi speaking children get motivated and seeded with curiosity then the commentary is OK.

If the Hindi speaker said something technically wrong then Pls point it out but getting poetic is OK.

Hindi commentator did mention something technically wrong, he said the cartosat camera can look "daayen baayen aage pichhe" :), but that may also be his flair for getting carried away .. Or was planned to spook the Bakis
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Re: Indian Space Programme Discussion - Sept 2016

Postby Hiten » 15 Feb 2017 18:47

footage from C37's onboard Camera
http://www.isro.gov.in/pslv-c37-cartosa ... mera-video

if you unable to access ISRO's website today


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACCsMTZ_qKo

site got hammered with traffic today. NIC should've anticipated it.
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Re: Indian Space Programme Discussion - Sept 2016

Postby JTull » 15 Feb 2017 18:48

Kudos to ISRO. Well done, indeed!

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Re: Indian Space Programme Discussion - Sept 2016

Postby SwamyG » 15 Feb 2017 18:54

kmkraoind wrote:Planet Launches Satellite Constellation to Image the Whole Planet Daily

Today Planet successfully launched 88 Dove satellites to orbit—the largest satellite constellation ever to reach orbit. This is not just a launch (or a world record, for that matter!); for our team this is a major milestone. With these satellites in orbit, Planet will reach its Mission 1: the ability to image all of Earth’s landmass every day.

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Will Marshall @wsm1
Launch Success! 5 years in the making! @planetlabs now has fleet to image entire Earth land daily. Proud! planet.com/pulse/planet-l… Thx @isro

Happy at least India got mentioned twice in that article. It was like reading old ISRO articles where reports would say a satellite launched, with all specs & itiyadi and mentioning Ariane or Soyuz rockets casually.


How does insurance work for these customers? Does ISRO offer monetary compensation in case things go wrong?

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Re: Indian Space Programme Discussion - Sept 2016

Postby SSridhar » 15 Feb 2017 19:01

Gagan wrote:Atleast point the effing camera skywards from Marina beach onlee, its free you media idiots!!!

Had a good view of PSLV streaking across the sky and even the separation of the first stage from my house. Majestic. I have always had a good view of PSLVs. My regret is that I could not go to Namma Bengaluru today for AeroIndia due to factors beyond my control.

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Re: Indian Space Programme Discussion - Sept 2016

Postby hanumadu » 15 Feb 2017 19:01

JTull wrote:Wonder how long before British press starts rona dhona about aid or precious Rupees wasted on space program rather than feed the poor.


Don't worry, BBC will never disappoint you.


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Re: Indian Space Programme Discussion - Sept 2016

Postby Varoon Shekhar » 15 Feb 2017 19:08

Not a word about this launch in today's Toronto Star, and nothing about its success on CBC website( haven't watched their TV news yet), though they mentioned yesterday that India was 'set' to launch the satellites. Well, that's old. The Toronto Star had no problem with an article about a leopard getting its head stuck in a bucket in Rajasthan a year ago or so. But a record making satellite mission? There's no excuse, they will be hearing from me!

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Re: Indian Space Programme Discussion - Sept 2016

Postby hanumadu » 15 Feb 2017 19:14

Hiten wrote:footage from C37's onboard Camera
http://www.isro.gov.in/pslv-c37-cartosa ... mera-video

if you unable to access ISRO's website today
https://youtu.be/ACCsMTZ_qKo
site got hammered with traffic today. NIC should've anticipated it.



The coolest video ISRO put out ever. Just too cool.

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Re: Indian Space Programme Discussion - Sept 2016

Postby nirav » 15 Feb 2017 19:25

Awesome vid.
Congratulations to ISRO.

Rocket is roaring...
Raakit ki garajna ...

Same thing, in Hindi it sounds a little funny.but it's important to have hindi commentary. Has a wide audience pan India who actually understand what's going on cause it's being said in hindi ;)

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Re: Indian Space Programme Discussion - Sept 2016

Postby Zynda » 15 Feb 2017 19:30

Awesome ISRO. Many thanks for releasing this video. Just awesome!!!

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Re: Indian Space Programme Discussion - Sept 2016

Postby anupmisra » 15 Feb 2017 19:36

Did mushy watch this launch? He had some mushy things to say back in 2003.

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Re: Indian Space Programme Discussion - Sept 2016

Postby anupmisra » 15 Feb 2017 19:37

Mushy's gushings in 2003.

http://www.dawn.com/news/79439

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Re: Indian Space Programme Discussion - Sept 2016

Postby SwamyG » 15 Feb 2017 19:39

ISRO has mastered the science of rocket launching, and made it into an art. But it still has not found ways to use the internet infrastructure or website management properly. :evil: :( Website not loading, videos not available, FB posts not good. During the MoM it had good twitter tweets.

Granted one expects high traffic to their website today, still they should pull up their socks in these areas.

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Re: Indian Space Programme Discussion - Sept 2016

Postby Nitesh » 15 Feb 2017 20:06

Does this launch by anyway confirm our capability to have global IRNSS coverage in emergency situation :D

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Re: Indian Space Programme Discussion - Sept 2016

Postby shravanp » 15 Feb 2017 20:12

Congratulations to ISRO team!

But I am not satisfied and dil maange more. GSLV ka number kab ayega

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Re: Indian Space Programme Discussion - Sept 2016

Postby shiv » 15 Feb 2017 20:27

This launch should give some lucky guy insane bragging rights on PakDef

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Re: Indian Space Programme Discussion - Sept 2016

Postby Atmavik » 15 Feb 2017 20:37

anupmisra wrote:Mushy's gushings in 2003.

http://www.dawn.com/news/79439


sir ji,

i kindly request to keep this manhusiyat off this thread. it brings bad luck.

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Re: Indian Space Programme Discussion - Sept 2016

Postby nirav » 15 Feb 2017 20:42

^ :rotfl:

I agree.

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Re: Indian Space Programme Discussion - Sept 2016

Postby abhijitm » 15 Feb 2017 20:44

:x
anupmisra wrote:Mushy's gushings in 2003.

http://www.dawn.com/news/79439


:rotfl:
Always refrshing to reminisce but this is bad bad omen. You have to perform now major Ydnya to wash your sins. :D


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