China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Liu · Post by **Liu** » 02 Mar 2017 22:52

brar_w wrote:
Liu wrote:
SoKo's own "stealth fighter' is still a PPT.it even can not work out tech~demostrator ,let alone prototype.

it took usa/russia/china almost 10 years to turn prototype of their stealth bird to ones in service....

considering that soko's one is still a PPT, S.korea surely has to take much more time,if its own stealth bird project were not to abort.
And NOKO's acquiring a high end SAM system is merely a Chinese news story. Besides, you totally ignored the other items I listed. Its common sense that SOKOs investment in its own fifth generation project is a medium to long term option. However they have plenty of short to medium term options as I have listed. Like I said, given North Korean economy and the chances of them getting a significant amount of these air defense system, this is nothing that they cannot neutralize using their existing F-15Ks.

As mentioned there are plenty of options available to those UAI compatible F-15Ks when it comes to SEAD, DEAD or medium to long range targeting. And as mentioned, a few of these systems without an integrated air, ground and cyberspace command and control is not going to seriously threaten the ROKAF or USAF positioned there. A few more of these systems if heavily discounted/subsidized may allow South Korea to allow another THAAD in on its land and then things can get really interesting especially if you have 2 TPY-2s deployed there.

well, Soul is within the range of noko's 10000+ cannons,even if noko's nuke were not be considered..

frankly speaking, without the protection from yankees,soko would have more chance to be asskickef by noko's 1m soldiers.

brar_w · Post by **brar_w** » 02 Mar 2017 22:56

Liu wrote:
brar_w wrote:
And NOKO's acquiring a high end SAM system is merely a Chinese news story. Besides, you totally ignored the other items I listed. Its common sense that SOKOs investment in its own fifth generation project is a medium to long term option. However they have plenty of short to medium term options as I have listed. Like I said, given North Korean economy and the chances of them getting a significant amount of these air defense system, this is nothing that they cannot neutralize using their existing F-15Ks.

As mentioned there are plenty of options available to those UAI compatible F-15Ks when it comes to SEAD, DEAD or medium to long range targeting. And as mentioned, a few of these systems without an integrated air, ground and cyberspace command and control is not going to seriously threaten the ROKAF or USAF positioned there. A few more of these systems if heavily discounted/subsidized may allow South Korea to allow another THAAD in on its land and then things can get really interesting especially if you have 2 TPY-2s deployed there.
well, Soul is within the range of noko's 10000+ cannons.

What does have to do with this air defense system and how the F-15Ks can neutralize it if properly tasked to do so?

Avarachan · Post by **Avarachan** » 03 Mar 2017 07:04

Austin wrote:I suspect most of the Spying by China in US is a way of US giving them things covertly when they cant do it overtly due to official ban , Else the amount of spying and the depth of it by the admission of NSA and FBI officials you dont find any one in US congress raising an eyebrow ,no ZNN MSM coverage either.

You cant really penetrate at the highest level and download terra bytes of data from the most secure facility just like that

I suspect that it's the American military-industrial-security complex which is intentionally leaving America's door unlocked for Chinese spies. If China's technology is far behind the U.S.'s, there's no need for a massive American military budget, right? Also, it's a way of applying pressure to Japan/India/etc. to buy more American military equipment to fend off the "massive Chinese threat."

Liu · Post by **Liu** » 03 Mar 2017 07:55

Avarachan wrote:
Austin wrote:I suspect most of the Spying by China in US is a way of US giving them things covertly when they cant do it overtly due to official ban , Else the amount of spying and the depth of it by the admission of NSA and FBI officials you dont find any one in US congress raising an eyebrow ,no ZNN MSM coverage either.

You cant really penetrate at the highest level and download terra bytes of data from the most secure facility just like that
I suspect that it's the American military-industrial-security complex which is intentionally leaving America's door unlocked for Chinese spies. If China's technology is far behind the U.S.'s, there's no need for a massive American military budget, right? Also, it's a way of applying pressure to Japan/India/etc. to buy more American military equipment to fend off the "massive Chinese threat."

good illustration！

i would rather accept the case that Megatron and his fellows were hidden by china and were teaching chinese how to build stealth bird and other advanced weapons.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 03 Mar 2017 08:53

Liu wrote:

it took usa/russia/china almost 10 years to turn prototype of their stealth bird to ones in service....

ChiCom Propaganda and online onanism

The F 117 was first funded in 1975 and first flight in 1981.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 03 Mar 2017 09:00

Liu wrote:i would rather accept the case that Megatron and his fellows were hidden by china and were teaching chinese how to build stealth bird and other advanced weapons.

Megatron? Dude, you realize Transformers is NOT real right? It is Hollywood Sci-Fi!

Liu · Post by **Liu** » 03 Mar 2017 09:04

Rakesh wrote:
Liu wrote:i would rather accept the case that Megatron and his fellows were hidden by china and were teaching chinese how to build stealth bird and other advanced weapons.
Megatron? Dude, you realize Transformers is NOT real right? It is Hollywood Sci-Fi!

almost so is Avarachan's word.

Liu · Post by **Liu** » 03 Mar 2017 09:20

shiv wrote:
Liu wrote:

it took usa/russia/china almost 10 years to turn prototype of their stealth bird to ones in service....
ChiCom Propaganda and online onanism

The F 117 was first funded in 1975 and first flight in 1981.

f117?that is a bomber without any self~defence capacity.
f117's stealth is primitive and can be detected on quite a few occasions.
once detecting f117,even mig21 can shoot down f117.

that is why yankees made f117 quit service long ago.

lt is meaningless to develop a primitive stealth bird like f117,because it can not survive nowdays.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 03 Mar 2017 09:29

Liu wrote: that is why yankees made f117 quit service long ago.

lt is meaningless to develop a primitive stealth bird like f117,because it can not survive nowdays.

Yes but they certainly have more experience than the Chinese and have third generation stealth aircraft in service right now, a fact that should come as a great source of public shame and embarrassment to the Chinese which China will find difficult to live down when even the lumbering 0.8 generation J-20 is nowhere near the latest in capability. Or appearance.

Meanwhile - about Chinese weapons
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVpxG4F3ft0

rkhanna · Post by **rkhanna** » 03 Mar 2017 11:41

Local TV exposed Chinese nuke powered carrier and electromagnetic catapult

http://www.sinaimg.cn/dy/slidenews/8_im ... 307142.jpg

http://www.sinaimg.cn/dy/slidenews/8_im ... 212829.jpg

rkhanna · Post by **rkhanna** » 03 Mar 2017 11:45

Uighur IS fighters vow blood will 'flow in rivers' in China

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-midea ... 6848H?il=0

By Michael Martina and Ben Blanchard | BEIJING
Vowing to plant their flag in China and that blood will "flow in rivers", a video released this week purportedly by the Islamic State group shows ethnic Uighur fighters training in Iraq, underscoring what Beijing sees as a serious threat.

China is worried that Uighurs, a mostly Muslim people from western China's Xinjiang region, have gone to Syria and Iraq to fight for militant groups there, having traveled illegally via Southeast Asia and Turkey.

Islamic State claimed responsibility for the killing of a Chinese hostage in 2015, highlighting China's concern about Uighurs it says are fighting in the Middle East

Hundreds of people have been killed in Xinjiang in the past few years, most in unrest between Uighurs and ethnic majority Han Chinese. The government blames the unrest on Islamist militants.

The Iraqi arm of Islamic State has released a half-hour long video purportedly showing Uighurs training, as well as some images from inside Xinjiang, including Chinese police on the streets.

One shot that shows Chinese President Xi Jinping gives way to flames in front of a Chinese flag.

ranjan.rao · Post by **ranjan.rao** » 03 Mar 2017 12:18

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 440754.cms
Meanwhile dragon back to the old game of fooling us and buying time..so this like taking more of our land to return our old land ..
waah ustaad wah..this one matches JNU idiots only

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 03 Mar 2017 14:54

IDEX 2017: CATIC reveals details about Harpy-type loitering munition

http://www.janes.com/article/68341/idex ... tion[quote]

The ASN-301 is a delta-wing aircraft with a pusher propeller that looks virtually identical to the Harpy. It is designed to fly into hostile air space and loiter until it detects a radar, at which point it homes in on the target and destroys it.

The Chinese and Israeli versions are launched from a storage container. The model displayed at IDEX had six containers loaded onto a medium-size truck. Similar truck carriers have been previously seen in images posted on Chinese websites.

China National Aero-Technology Import & Export Corporation (CATIC), the sales arm of the Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC), released information describing the ASN-301 as a "mobile anti-radiation drone system" that "can be applied in long-range attack and suppress enemy radar systems in war".

It listed the ASN-301 as having the same 135 kg weight as the Harpy, although at 2.5 m it is slightly shorter than the Israeli version (2.7 m), and has an endurance of four hours. It has a higher top speed (220 km/h versus 180 km/h for the Harpy), but its range is shorter (288 km versus 500 km).

The CATIC information stated that the ASN-301 targets radar frequencies in the 2-16 GHz range, and its radar homing device has a search range of 25 km. The system can target up to eight pre-set radar targets. Its 7,000-fragment warhead has a proximity laser fuse with a destructive range of 20 m.[/quote]

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 03 Mar 2017 14:59

J20 Long legs (Unknown whether Photoshop or legit)

One more

Liu · Post by **Liu** » 03 Mar 2017 19:39

well,one PLAAF's large fleet crossed over Myyaco strait near Okinawa islands yesterday.

the fleet consisted of 1 AWAC,6 H6k bombers and 6 flankers.

usually,Japanese send f15 fleet to moniter PLAAF birds near the area.
but this time,facing the PLAAF'S large fleet, exhausted japanese fleet gave up and did nothing.

ranjan.rao · Post by **ranjan.rao** » 03 Mar 2017 19:53

http://mainichi.jp/english/articles/201 ... dm/007000c
1. SOmetimes reading other perspective may help keep brain inside the skull;
2. exhausted? was the smoky jet exhuast of J20 part of contingent of 13 jets

venug · Post by **venug** » 03 Mar 2017 19:55

Well, what is so exhausting that they have to give up? They fought more wars and battles than Sabre rattler. At one point they even kicked Chinese arse. who knows how many times they flew over China and China didn't even know...may be exhaustion or complete failure, we never know anyway.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 03 Mar 2017 22:00

Liu wrote: but this time,facing the PLAAF'S large fleet, exhausted japanese fleet gave up and did nothing.

BRFites - please make a note of the type of rhetoric that is used.

Chinese planes flew somewhere and the story is that the Japanese did not respond because of exhaustion

As a story it is not just idiotic - it is clearly only of propaganda value. That we all know. But the Chinese make a habit of speaking like this, and follow this up with stuff like "Confucius said that the best way to win a war is without fighting". Now when intellectuals f/suckers hear names like Confucius they lap it up. So the overall picture that the several avatars of Liu present on here is that "We Chinese are so strong, no, make that so sooo strong, and so soooo rich that everyone else will just keel over and die listening to us fart into the wind"

Normally it would be very difficult for me to make such an assertion - but when we have real live examples - it gets easier to illustrate what is happening

chola · Post by **chola** » 03 Mar 2017 22:18

shiv wrote:
Liu wrote: but this time,facing the PLAAF'S large fleet, exhausted japanese fleet gave up and did nothing.
BRFites - please make a note of the type of rhetoric that is used.

Chinese planes flew somewhere and the story is that the Japanese did not respond because of exhaustion

As a story it is not just idiotic - it is clearly only of propaganda value. That we all know. But the Chinese make a habit of speaking like this, and follow this up with stuff like "Confucius said that the best way to win a war is without fighting". Now when intellectuals f/suckers hear names like Confucius they lap it up. So the overall picture that the several avatars of Liu present on here is that "We Chinese are so strong, no, make that so sooo strong, and so soooo rich that everyone else will just keel over and die listening to us fart into the wind"

Normally it would be very difficult for me to make such an assertion - but when we have real live examples - it gets easier to illustrate what is happening

Ban him and the one other chini fellow we have and be done with it.

Propaganda only works if you listen to it.

manjgu · Post by **manjgu** » 03 Mar 2017 22:25

looks like the PLAAF and Japan AF were running a marathon..and JAF got exhausted running..reminds me of Duracell battery ad !! could be Liu is not very adept with english vocabulary ..i dont see any need to ban him though.

chola · Post by **chola** » 03 Mar 2017 22:42

He doesn't give any useful insight. His english is horrible. And he might be spouting propaganda that could sway a gullible BRite.

Ban him. At the very least it might make the PRC send another 50-center and get us some fresh chini blood. This Liu fellow is numbingly bland and boring.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 03 Mar 2017 23:40

Liu wrote:well,one PLAAF's large fleet crossed over Myyaco strait near Okinawa islands yesterday.

the fleet consisted of 1 AWAC,6 H6k bombers and 6 flankers.

usually,Japanese send f15 fleet to moniter PLAAF birds near the area.
but this time,facing the PLAAF'S large fleet, exhausted japanese fleet gave up and did nothing.

A young man was once besotted with a pretty girl who lived a few blocks away. He was convinced that she did not respond to him because he had no bike. Finally, one time, he got a bike and rode past her house, saw her and waved cheerily. She did not even give him a glance.

Dejected, he came back and said "She must have been tired after a long day"

The Chinese who were never able to patrol these areas in the past imagined that if they go there the Japanese will try and shot them down. The Japanese paid no attention. And that is what reminded me of the tragic story of that young man.

Just sayin...

Liu · Post by **Liu** » 04 Mar 2017 07:39

shiv wrote:
Liu wrote:well,one PLAAF's large fleet crossed over Myyaco strait near Okinawa islands yesterday.

the fleet consisted of 1 AWAC,6 H6k bombers and 6 flankers.

usually,Japanese send f15 fleet to moniter PLAAF birds near the area.
but this time,facing the PLAAF'S large fleet, exhausted japanese fleet gave up and did nothing.

A young man was once besotted with a pretty girl who lived a few blocks away. He was convinced that she did not respond to him because he had no bike. Finally, one time, he got a bike and rode past her house, saw her and waved cheerily. She did not even give him a glance.

Dejected, he came back and said "She must have been tired after a long day"

The Chinese who were never able to patrol these areas in the past imagined that if they go there the Japanese will try and shot them down. The Japanese paid no attention. And that is what reminded me of the tragic story of that young man.

Just sayin...

you mean japan now is used to china's navy/airforce crossing the 1st island chain?

i agree.

and Japanese will get used to PLAN/PLAAF fleet All over the whole west pacific.

Liu · Post by **Liu** » 04 Mar 2017 08:12

Manish_P wrote:J20 Long legs (Unknown whether Photoshop or legit)

One more

some guys said that j20 would have enough fuel to reach Alaska with the 4 such drop tanks(it is only availabe to oneway ticket mission maybe,i think)

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 04 Mar 2017 08:14

Liu wrote: some guys said that j20 can has enough fuel to reach Alaska the 4 such drop tanks

What would they do in Alaska?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 04 Mar 2017 08:16

Liu wrote:
you mean japan now is used to china's navy/airforce crossing the 1st island chain?

i agree.

and Japanese will get used to PLAN/PLAAF fleet All over the whole west pacific.

It was only Chinese paranoid imagination that they would be stopped from travelling through international airspace. Since the Chinese are only now discovering the meaning of freedom these ordinary day to day things come as a surprise to you.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Mar 2017 09:01

shiv wrote:
Liu wrote: some guys said that j20 can has enough fuel to reach Alaska the 4 such drop tanks
What would they do in Alaska?

Seek political asylum. One way range is good for that

J20 is looking deeply stealthy with those 4 drop tanks...the alaskans will be hugely surprised as they suddenly decloak over elmemdorf

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 04 Mar 2017 09:02

arnabh · Post by **arnabh** » 04 Mar 2017 09:11

http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/commen ... 82818.html

The high optics of Modi's meeting with Israeli leadership, ardently backed by the defence community's right-wing corner, have failed to halt Tel Aviv's move towards strategic ties with China.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 04 Mar 2017 09:27

Posting as a reference map to see what the world looks like from Eastern China

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 04 Mar 2017 09:29

arnabh wrote:
The high optics of Modi's meeting with Israeli leadership, ardently backed by the defence community's right-wing corner, have failed to halt Tel Aviv's move towards strategic ties with China.

Off topic for this thread - a news item about "Right Wing segment of India's military"

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 04 Mar 2017 11:33

China’s Defense Budget to Go Up About 7% in 2017

https://sputniknews.com/asia/2017030410 ... dget-2017/

brar_w · Post by **brar_w** » 04 Mar 2017 16:32

Singha wrote:
shiv wrote: What would they do in Alaska?
Seek political asylum. One way range is good for that

J20 is looking deeply stealthy with those 4 drop tanks...the alaskans will be hugely surprised as they suddenly decloak over elmemdorf

But but how will they get past the Counter Stealth radars of NORAD

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/content/d ... -sheet.pdf

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 04 Mar 2017 19:10

brar_w wrote:
But but how will they get past the Counter Stealth radars of NORAD
https://s11.postimg.org/souob7oz7/p1516238.jpg

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/content/d ... -sheet.pdf

Aahhhh gotcha! They will come from the south off the east coast of Japan and the NORAD operators will think this is a flock of birds and get exhausted

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 04 Mar 2017 20:02

arnabh wrote:http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/commen ... 82818.html

The high optics of Modi's meeting with Israeli leadership, ardently backed by the defence community's right-wing corner, have failed to halt Tel Aviv's move towards strategic ties with China.

OT ,but is the article written by Sheela dikshits sons ?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 04 Mar 2017 20:09

Please let us stick to China, not Modi or India

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 04 Mar 2017 21:06

chola wrote:He doesn't give any useful insight. His english is horrible. And he might be spouting propaganda that could sway a gullible BRite.

Ban him. At the very least it might make the PRC send another 50-center and get us some fresh chini blood. This Liu fellow is numbingly bland and boring.

That is what makes him so unique. Why would you want to ban him? He is hilarious. His comic timing is SPOT ON! Neither is he insulting anyone. Let him be Saar. We need a break from serious discussion every now and then.

Liu, please continue. By the way, when is Optimus Prime coming?

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 04 Mar 2017 22:25

shiv wrote:Please let us stick to China, not Modi or India

Going back to China. The chutzpah of these people...why negotiate our own land?

China prepared to make concessions in Aksai Chin if India gives up Tawang in Arunachal Pradesh
http://www.defencenews.in/article.aspx?id=250774

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 05 Mar 2017 21:07

brar_w wrote:But but how will they get past the Counter Stealth radars of NORAD

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/content/d ... -sheet.pdf

Isnt S Band much better to detect LO Target over L Band , I see US latest AWACS are going for S band based radar.

Even Indian AWACS Phalcon Radar is L Band based.

chola · Post by **chola** » 05 Mar 2017 21:19

Rakesh wrote:
chola wrote:He doesn't give any useful insight. His english is horrible. And he might be spouting propaganda that could sway a gullible BRite.

Ban him. At the very least it might make the PRC send another 50-center and get us some fresh chini blood. This Liu fellow is numbingly bland and boring.
That is what makes him so unique. Why would you want to ban him? He is hilarious. His comic timing is SPOT ON! Neither is he insulting anyone. Let him be Saar. We need a break from serious discussion every now and then.

Liu, please continue. By the way, when is Optimus Prime coming?

If we don't ban him, we run the risk of Shivji's great fear -- that Liu's propaganda can turn a gullible among us.

Is his comedy truly worth such a risk? Nope, let's ban him and the other one, David.

At worst, a banning would force his propaganda ministry to send someone new. I am bored of the same old two or three 50-centers. It's almost an insult to us to use these washed-up operatives. I demand better quality potempkin pushers if we have to suffer through propaganda!